Happy New Year everyone:-)

Also wanted to chime in on a year's best theme (albeit a little late), for AOH of course. I posted the more detailed post on DFN at the link above. Here's the summary:

Best producer: PKF and Dirty Deeds (tie)

Best commercial scene: Jizzabelle in PKF's Extremely Brutal

Best mainstream scene: Heather Hemmens in "3 Musketeers"

Best new website: Flexislave.com

Best actress/performer: Yui Aikawa

If you guys have AOH thoughts, would love to hear them here or on the thread at DFN!

Happy New Year to Everyone! I hope you all had a great holiday season!

Mike wrote: ZFX video that I don't remember, but I would probably like to see.

That capture is from the movie Liza Cord, click on the link it will take you right to it. For some more captures from the movie, go Here .

Rick

If you give me a grade, I can probably add Sadi-Scream Volume 4 into the Reviews section.

That's not much of a review as I haven't provided any critical commentary, just some of the more extreme highlights to justify my nominating it as the most nasty, brutal, etc. Japanese GIMP video. However, if you think there's enough meat to add it to the review section, I can try giving it a grade.

Of course, that presents a bit of a challenge. Those who aren't mangle-heads will argue the film's OTT content alone should consign it to the harshest vilification possible, if not outright censorship. As I said earlier, even some GIMPers feel there are lines that should not be crossed, and a mere F minus-minus grade is not low enough to express their disdain for this sort of thing.

For those who can handle the intense GIMP action in Sadi-Scream Volume 4, it has other merits to its credit. Technically, it is very well made. The photography is a little heavy on the close-ups, but I've seen much worse from GIGA. The lighting is atmospheric, the set is foreboding, and the editing keeps things moving along well for a film with such a minimal plot. The effects are a bit weak, but the acting is credible and Sakura Sakurada looks absolutely ravishing, at least until she gets all messed up toward the end. So if you are a mangle-head, or if you don't mind a spicier meal now and then, Sadi-Scream Volume 4 should rate an A-.

Ralphus also wrote:

It will be very difficult, but not impossible, to have a brand new database created by that date, but that's my goal. And again, I'll sound out the bell that if anyone wants to help me out with caps, video clips or even titles I can seek out, it would be most appreciated.

So the Hot Iron Database will be brand new? How appropriate. I for one would be thrilled to see it open for business by the end of March, or even sometime this year. I'll also volunteer to help in whatever way I can. To begin with, I spent an hour crawling through my less-than-organized archives to pull out a few mainstream titles to seed the list. Here, beginning with what many consider to be the gold standard scene (or should that be iron standard?) is what I found:

• Poor Cecily
• Our Man Flint
• Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom
• Cry of the Banshee
• The Bushwacker
• The Bloody Judge
• Emanuelle in America
• Olga's House of Shame
• Mark of the Devil
• The Demons (1973)
• Snuff Trap
• Hell Penitentiary
• Invitation to Ruin
• Till Death do us Part (198?)
• Satan's Slave
• Justine (1969)
• The Sadistic Baron Von Klaus
• Blitzkrieg
• Love Letters of a Portuguese Nun
• SS Camp 5

I have clips of the relevant scenes from all these films, but I do not have the server space to host them permanently. I can make screen grabs if required, and provide brief descriptions. Most of my selections are well known, so I imagine there are many, many more obscure titles out there which others can add. Hopefully, memories will be jogged as more scenes are revealed. This is quite an undertaking, and Ralphus will need all the help he can get.

BTW, if any one knows the film from which this clip was taken, please let me know.

As I was looking for hot iron scenes, I also came across an electro clip which I don't believe is in the electro-shock database yet. It's not too bad, so I think it's worth adding. The film is Andreas Bethmann's Angel of Death (Der Todesengel) which came out in 1998.

I think I can scrounge up some decent caps for that one.

That clip is from Savage Weekend. Best scene in the movie.

The guy in the clip looks a bit like Larry of Larry, Darryl and Darryl fame.

Happy New Year Gimpers

I can't lurk any longer. You can add Story of O to the branding database.

But in every movie and picture I have seen, the brand is nothing like as described in the novel. Now that's a movie that could do with an authentic remake. Just the project for Amy and her team.

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Today's Pic: I really, really love spread-eagled bondage, and these images are exquisite. The way the body arches, the arms and hands are pulled up off the floor and the toes are pointed all make this a delicious tableau. Thanks, Ralphus!

Those who aren't mangle-heads will argue the film's OTT content alone should consign it to the harshest vilification possible, if not outright censorship.

I doubt there are many GIMPers -- if any -- who would call for outright censorship. I certainly wouldn't.

I'm not a mangle-head. I'm quite confident Sadi-Scream Volume 4 wouldn't turn my crank.

But -- as with any GIMP film -- I'm only concerned about whether or not I would find the film arousing. In this case, I'm certain I would not. However, I'm not offended by the movie. Nor am I bothered by the fact that others do find it arousing. Que sera, sera.

...and then Bob Newhart walks in and asks Larry why he didn't just buy a branding iron shaped like an "H".

Next, they all go looking for Stephanie.

I should also mention that Yui had a 4th AOH scene in 2012, a short nude AOH whipping scene she shared with a busty japanese model in "Missing 55: Final Break".

I appreciate any help with the BRAND new database (I'm so clever and I didn't even know it). Fritz, drop me an e-mail and we can get started.

As for censoring extreme GIMP videos, I hope you are right that most of us are tolerant enough to accept content which runs contrary to our tastes (for whatever reason). However, I have received several comments from fellow enthusiasts who insist there are certain "things which should not be shown" - not on moral grounds mind you, but because (paraphrasing) "people like me don't like that stuff", or because "it will draw the wrong element". Seriously, there are people out there who are okay with having a victim beaten within an inch of her life, but will raise holy hell if a drop of blood is spilled.

If you don't believe me, check out the mountain of fetish material on Clips4Sale. There are some pretty OTT BDSM scenes, but the proprietors pull almost anything bloody or terminal - except if it features superheroines, in which case all bets are off. Asphyxiation is fine so long as it's voluntary or if it involves drowning. But no guns. Knives are fine, but they can't leave any blood. And so on. It may not be censorship, but it is clear there is a vaguely defined path of acceptability which marginalizes potentially offensive content even within the community. Ironic, considering that virtually anything fetish-oriented is bound to offend lots of folks.

Good eye, my man.

Actually, I was just kidding around when I wrote that. I had no idea it really was him. That's too funny.

does anyone know about a new horror movie called "Deer Crossing?

Funny you should ask, as I watched it last night..... one of my $1.27 Rebox potluck specials. Not so funny is that it isn't very good. A MILF and her 8-year-old head out to visit grandma. On a dark and desolate highway they hit a deer and crash into a tree. (Tip: Never swerve to avoid a deer. Speed up and hit it so that your windshield rises and you don't either end up in the woods or get an antler up the nose). Anyway, they are next seen being thrown into the back of a truck. Jump forward to a scene 8 years later of the still-confined mother chained in a basement at the behest of a bearded octogenarian redneck. The cover art shot is real as she is being dragged across the filthy floor to be force-fed --- having become a bit ornery from eight years of apparent use and abuse. There is a subsequent scene in which she is raped, but not much to see there either. A very good-looking lady and the only good actor in an otherwise pretty bad movie. Another opportunity squandered.

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John Galt beat me to the punch in praising today's pic. The arching back is simply outstanding. As I sat his morning and sipped, my coffee tasted noticeably hotter.

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Badger: Thanks for the warning about Deer Crossing. I will definitely give it a miss.

I've been struggling for your last few posts not to take offense at your preemptive sensitivity to the term "mangle-heads." I understand that maybe folks on other sites are strangely intolerant of extreme stuff, but you're making general criticisms on this forum.

First off, I'm not the least bit sensitive about the term mangle-head. In fact, I find it rather endearing, and I proudly outed myself as one when challenged to do so. No one else has, so I may be a minority of one. That said, please note I enjoy a wide variety of GIMPery, so the term by no means covers all my interests - but it does capture my fondness for, ummm... mangled heads... or something like that. To be honest, I still don't know what it means.

Second, I was by no means insinuating that folks on this forum are intolerant of extreme stuff, or anything else for that matter. However, about a year ago I imbedded a hot-iron picture in a GIMP post. Someone did take offense and followed up by saying he "could have lived without seeing" that image. I guess it surprised me that anyone here would say that given the frequently extreme content we share and discuss. Since then, I've been careful to upload the more dicey visuals as links, as I did in my description of Sadi-Scream Volume 4.

Third, some members of the community (not this forum) are incredibly strident in expressing their views of what should and should not be permissible as GIMP content. I'm sure we've all seen such rants elsewhere on the 'net, and I have even heard from a few of these folks personally. This desire by others to set boundaries and rules no longer upsets me, as I know it is an ingrained attribute of human nature. However, I do find it interesting that representatives of an already marginalized community attempt to further marginalize its members because of fear and yes, intolerance.

I'm not sure it is a criticism, but in my reply to A Canadian, that is the point I wanted to raise. I was raising it on this forum, but in doing so I was by no means implying that anyone here was guilty of such intolerance. If that is the impression I left, then I did not express myself as intended. However, I do hope we can discuss openly the GIMP community at large here, even if it involves critical commentary, without making any of the locals preemptively sensitive :-).

Best Mainstream Film: Bereavement with Alexandra Daddario. I should have reviewed this when it came out on DVD. But Alexandra Daddario and her exceptional headlights get the full AOH treatment in a light wife-beater. She is hot, young, and very innocent, and plays the part well. She is also thrown in some kind of a cooler by the killer and again her assets are well revealed. She is also the star in the upcoming prequel to Texas Chainsaw. And she gets a gagged AOH halter top scene in that one as well according to the previews.

Best Adult Film: I like AOH, so I'm going to go with Giga GEXP-60 with Kannon Sierezawa. She gets electro torture for the first 5 or so minutes, and then a solid 20 minutes of AOH stomach punching (I love a good gut punch) followed by a rape, 15 minutes of AOH forced orgasm, and then a wrestling beat down. At NO point does she look like she wants it or is enjoying it. The perfect definition of GIMP. It's already in the reviews section.

Best TV scene: As much as I love Lyndsy Fonseca and her scenes, Maggie Q's Electro shock torture scene in Nikita was awful good for TV.

Best Mainstream actress: I'm gonna go with Sara Paxton in Last House on the Left and Shark Week, she was in peril in both flicks, and she is so damn hot. Alexandra Daddario gets an honorable mention though

Best Adult Actress: Yui Akawa, she was great in Zen, Giga, and it looks like I have to see CMV-043 too.

The GEXP60 AOH torture scene action was good, but they didnt strip her! Only towards the end of that scene we see her underboobs for the lame dildo or nippleclamp stuff.

On Nikita, while the peril acting by Maggie Q was good, but for me the table spreadeagle is not true AOH and she's kinda skinny.

Hmm...what are the chances that I can get Yui Aikawa for my next AOH custom? She still needs to do an AOH electro scene to complete the AOH trifecta (bellypunching, whipping, electro).

Hmm...what are the chances that I can get Yui Aikawa for my next AOH custom?

I want to believe the chances are pretty good.

I sure hope the film will be released at some point. I know footage was shot, as I have seen a trailer for it.

I don't think I saw much in the February releases that did anything for me. I might check out this Bounty Hunter film but not much else.

BTW, if you still want to review the movie, it's not too late. We don't have an official review of that movie here, and we could use one. E-mail me and I can hook you up with some caps, too.

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Eda: It's always good news on the forum when we get a new Eda Chang story. Guys, even if you're not into stories, take some time and read this...it's fantastic. The torture scenes are so vividly rendered that it seems like you're watching the action unfold in a movie. In fact, my highest compliment is that I wish it were a movie, but even then, it would take some great performances to equal the strength of Eda's writing. She really makes the story come to life. We're very lucky to have such a talented writer here.

Great free videos to download, many have whipping and other bound fun...mostly from mainstream movies, but saw a few gems in here I haven't seen before.

http://thebase1.blogspot.com

Sorry I've been away, but RL has been in the way, though I did have time to respond to the nudity question.

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Matt: Tribute To Tarl was closed down by Yahoo, but it's being rebuilt. That's a lot of work because it was jampacked with caps before. The new group is called TTT Reload and it's available in my Homepage URL above.

Tomorrow Redbox is adding a movie to its boxes titled "Abducted". The cover art shows a scantily-clad lovely chained inside a cage and describes how a simple layover in Detroit put the poor damsel in the hands of sex traffickers (certainly one of the less-advertised features of the Detroit airport.) A basic check of IMDB tells me that the movie was on Lifetime (TV) in the US and that its original title was "Layover". Wow, what a bit of creative marketing can do.

Well, I just read it and....holy fuck that was hot! I copied and saved to my hard drive for safe-keeping.

For those curious but too lazy to go look, it features a naked spy girl hung upside down by her ankles and tortured. And it's extremely well written, so vivid you'd swear you're right there. Oh if only the movies could be this good.

Well done Eda! You rock.

Kudos on another well-written GIMP masterpiece.

I do have a question, do you guys have any sources for DVDs of the Yui Aikawa videos you guys have linked too?

I didn't see any sign of the other movies.

I hope we get to see Captain Bo as a victim in a future story.

In talking about adapting stories to the screen, it's often hard to do a well-written story justice, particularly one that's explicit in the way that Eda's are. Not too many bondage films or, especially, mainstream movies are going to go all out to recreate torturous scenes the way they were described in the text. I'm thinking specifically of a book like "The Girl Next Door", which featured some incredibly nasty torture scenes, while the movie, while accurately reproducing the drama of the story, severely shortened or otherwise removed most of the GIMP scenes. It was shocking to audiences who weren't used to it, but for us hardened GIMPers, there could have been oh, so much more.

I agree that the Japanese would have the best chance of doing one of Eda's stories justice, in that they put out the hardest edged movies in the world. The good news, however, is that don't forget Amy Hesketh has future plans to bring one of Eda's stories to the screen. That should be a worthwhile production.

Wish they'd do a rack torture flick. That would be really good to see one of those hot girls stretched out!

The good news, however, is that don't forget Amy Hesketh has future plans to bring one of Eda's stories to the screen. That should be a worthwhile production.

I was wondering if that was still in the works. I'm looking forward to that film.

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On the upgraded reviews front, Ralphus has created some great-looking new caps for my review of Attackers JBD-103, also known as Goddess of Hell. The 2007 movie stars Minami Aoyama, who was one of Attackers' stronger performers. If you haven't seen it, the film is worth checking out.

I think that John hit on the head the problem, at least for me, with a lot of the non-mainstream GIMP films on the market. They have very limited budgets, and therefore can afford to shoot only a limited number of settings and scenes. So, to make a "full-length" film, they drag out these few. This considerably slows the pace and reduces the tension and drive. Personally, I would prefer that they make a 20 minute film with their limited material, but they insist on stretching it to 40-60 minutes, having determined, I guess, that customers will pay higher prices for longer films, even when the length results simply from padding the material in a way that is counterproductive to the quality of the film. [I'd rather watch a good 20 minute film twice.] So any of my short stories that might be filmed by them would face the same problem. But these companies do not have the budgets to film any of my longer stories, which generally require many scene changes and use many characters. So I don't think it's realistic to hope that any would consider filming any of my stories.

Ralphus and A Canadian mentioned Amy's possible interest a few years ago in filming one of my stories (actually, one that I wrote specifically for her that has never been shown to anyone else). The particular story was written to use a very limited cast and number of scenes so that it could be filmed on a small budget. This was at a time when Amy's Red Feline company was producing such films (like Agent X). Very shortly after this, however, another of Amy's companies exploded into making much larger and more expensive films with much larger casts, and none of us are going to complain about the direction that this took her, with such great films as Malificarum. Of course, if Amy ever returns to making smaller films, or should honor me by considering any of my full-length stories, I would be very pleased. But writing stories and making films are much different things, and Amy, the professional, has kindly taken the time to explain to me, the amateur, the types of changes that would have to be made to have my stories filmed, which would be a lot more work than I realized. All that said, I push anyone I can to consider making my own favorite story -- PLAYING THE GAME -- into a film.

This considerably slows the pace and reduces the tension and drive. Personally, I would prefer that they make a 20 minute film with their limited material, but they insist on stretching it to 40-60 minutes, having determined, I guess, that customers will pay higher prices for longer films, even when the length results simply from padding the material in a way that is counterproductive to the quality of the film.

That's very true. Alternately, what producers do to drag out a film is to keep showing the same thing over and over with the same actress.

That's a particular problem with the Japanese rape films that star only one actress. A raped-teacher movie, for example, will show a teacher being raped in the classroom, followed by her getting raped in the teachers' lounge, then in the gym, then in a locker room area, etc.

The raped-teacher movie that was released last year starring Rio (IPTD-981) was exactly like that. It started well but got boring after the repeated rapes.

And it all becomes absurd. I don't know anything about working conditions in Japan but I still believe most teachers would quit after the second or third rape.

There are exceptions. I really liked the Hibino film, New Teacher Gets Violated, with Ichika Kuroki (my pick for best actress of 2012), because it had a variety of rape and degradation scenes that kept the movie entertaining for the first 90 minutes of the film. It may not have been any more realistic than an episode of Saved by the Bell but it was convincing enough to work for me.

As a general rule, though, my feeling is that longer features are usually better when there is more than one victim. Most of my favorite GIMP films have multiple stars (exceptions are made for movies that feature Lisa Kinkaid).

Oddly I am reading here how some of you are looking at new films, yet feel disappointed on how they end up like.

I've just saw a video of one of the latest Giga Zeus brand movies, and I was blown away for what I saw! We know videos in the Zeus line usually take extreme takes, and something about this one I saw... its feeling that wow... it really got to me as a viewer, and somehow I wish I could do a review for it here.

But not sure if you have some guidelines for it plus some deadline as because of my current job, I might not have enough time to give a great detailed review as I want, plus English is not my native language, so I might have some trouble with grammar and descriptions lol.

Anyway, the video in question is JMSZ-08 Unjust Execution Heroine - Magical Idol Girl Star Light -Rinka. I really suggest you guys to see it, but I don't wish to spoil it now so I ask if I could make a review on it please?

Well this is all for now, keep on GIMPing!

I must say the pictures on the site you linked look quite intriguing, even if there's no nudity. Are they branding her butt here?

And this last one looks intriguing as well. I don't mind the blood at all, I think it helps her look like a victim.

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We have a new addition to the Electro-Shock Database: Description, caps and video to The 7th Hunt. MAV posted this vid a while back but it's worth looking at again for those who missed it the first time. This is one of the longest and best torture scenes in recent memory.

She probably closed her eyes because she's painfully embarrassed at how silly she looks and all the other gimp models are going laugh at her for sure. Bill K.

I have to agree with Bill K in the surprise of seeing Clothespins in the main photo. Not that they aren't evil little devices, just I've read the majority of Gimpsters see them as more of a BDSM play device rather than a true device for torture. I think that is one hot photo.

Ralphus All very good photos. I really like being mean to tiny Asian chicks.

FYI, I have a connection for Japanese porn stars if anyone is looking for a custom with one of those Anime looking hotties...

But for now check out my new flicks.

I have been watching to two PKF productions in the series "Deadly Interrogations". They had one positive point in their conception: they intende to depict "real interrogations", i.e., "torture to extract information". Most videos I have watched are heavily influenced by BDSM, were the aim is the pleasure of the participants. In both I have watched, the "torture" intends to be most appropriate, i.e. "inflicting pain on a subject (to extract information)", with only passing references to humiliation and even to sexual attack (so beloved to BDSM), and only functional to the purpose of "inflicting pain". The subjects, on the other side, seem caught in their own game and resolved to hold on, far cry from the usual "sobbing innocent victim", which only inspires pity.

On the other side, there are some negative points in the execution. They are too brutal. A good interrogator "administers" the pain he inflicts, to keep his/her subject "alive and well" until he/she talks. It should be noted that hitting someone with hard, heavy objects like mattocks (!) would break bones and provoke internal bleedings, making the subject pass away or die very soon. Also, any permanent injury or disfigurement (tearing off nipples clean!) should be avoided, unless you aim at breaking the subject completely, something not really advisable.

Anyway, they look to me as a good depart from usual BDSM-influenced stuff.

Wananchi

All this talk of real electro shock torture has got my erotic curiosity juices flowing in how painfully erotic these devices and method really are. Not that I want to try them on myself but if I understand what they do to the gimp porn actress, the more I can get into these type of women peril gimp scenes.

Until about 3 months ago I thought all electro shock movie sites / clips were fake pretend pain and then I got that Kink electro shock clip and realized it for real. I've got to know! Bill K.

MaxCoxxx... Good work... What ever happened to the cattle prod treatment?

http://www.stakedamsels.com/forum/download/file.php?id=2584&mode=view

Just wondering who is this BR or RB artist. Bill K.

Hi everyone, sorry to be gone so long. Lots to catch up on here! The holidays found me in rural (middle of nowhere) America stacking wood and remembering what mating porcupines sound like (frightening). There was also a decided lack of internet, surprise, surprise. Not even cell phone service. I had to remember how to communicate without a keyboard, weird. Good place to make a movie, no?

Ralphus - Thank you so very much for the awards and mentions! 2012 was a good year for us in terms of growth and experience. We grew pretty fast last year and now we're trying to keep up with the pace we started. A little daunting when we have more movies, but not more personnel to help make them, edit, and do all of things that need to get done! But I hope we get there in 2013. We really could not have gotten to this point without you, Ralphus, and the GIMPers who frequent this site.

Congratulations to you, Eda, on yet another literary feather in your cap! As usual, really great stuff! I still have plans to make one of your stories into a movie. You are the go-to for sexy spies.

As far as news goes, I'm not sure what I can say that Margot does not mention in more depth and with pretty pictures. However, we're releasing Barbazul (Bluebeard) this year, and we'll be coming up with more trailers for that. Dead but Dreaming is also on the release horizon, as well as a trailer. As far as productions go, we have my fourth film planned, Olalla, chock-full 'o GIMP, as well as the second film of Dead But Dreaming. There may be more, but I don't want to get too ahead of ourselves. I will leave you with the new poster of Barbazul...

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MaX CoXXX: Thanks for another picture-filled update on your latest productions. Tiffany Fox looks kind of hot, and the action looks pretty hardcore in Night Moves. Plus, it's a great Bob Seger song. That one might just have to go on my list as well.

The new year is underway, you must've noticed. Our team is rather lost without the pair that makes them tick. But their absence is for a good reason. They're returning with the goodies and grand plans for a cascade of wonderfully gimpy productions.

There's Amy's next movie, Olalla, weird title, I know, it's based on a Louis Stevenson novel, his first, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, which tells the story of a family of genetic vampires. It's a cool story, it has a lot of GIMP, believe it or not, since Amy's putting the story upside down.

There's also the second part of that thrilling story, Dead But Dreaming, a more traditional vampire story that has a very good amount of GIMP in it. It is, after all, the child of Jac's brain, who seems to have a hard time working on a story that has no GIMP in it.

And there's more. So, I'll go into the details of it all. Brace yourselves. First, a promo shot from Le Marquis de la Croix with a reminder that for every film you get from us, the possibility of us making another one gets stronger.

Thank you Bill K. for your wishes for the new year and your comment to my post. To reply to your question May I ask what is the status on release date of "Dead But Dreaming"? I see VermeerWorks just says 2013 I will now elaborate.

Dead But Dreaming is still in post production. We don't have a date for its release yet. It's a far more complex movie than anything we did previously because of a lot of visual and sound special FX.

We consider Dead But Dreaming another breakthrough film. If Maleficarum made our audience grow many fold, we hope that Dead But Dreaming will reach even farther. As Ralphus pointed before, a vampire movie is a seller. A vampire movie with lots of GIMP is a better seller. A vampire movie trilogy with a lot of GIMP can sell for years to come. Right?

Ralphus said The good news, however, is that don't forget Amy Hesketh has future plans to bring one of Eda's stories to the screen.and he's right. Eda's story is in our production plans. In fact, it will happen this year, it's one of the ambitious goals Amy and Jac have in store. I concur with A Canadian when he says that the spy film should be a worthwhile production. However, there's a bit of a wait for that project. When it gets the green light to go in production this forum will be the first to know. I can say that much.

We agree that a spy movie has a great potential, a spy movie with a couple of hot tortured female spies haa even a greater potential, and so our philosophy goes. Before Maleficarum Agent X was our most popular movie, the best seller after its release and it kept going strong until Maleficarum sent it way back to second place. Agent X wasn't a very elaborate movie, it was GIMP all the way, but very, very short story, girl gets captured, girl gets tortured, raped and tortured, whipped and water tortured, strung up and tortured and finally crucified. Something like that.

Eda's story has a more intricate plot and Amy added some more intricacies to the story, and there's more character development and so on. A more complex film. Still, it has to wait a bit.

So, to refresh your memory, a picture from Agent X.

There's another bit of interesting news. Amy and Jac are reading, voraciously, D. Andersson's books. So far Jac read Torture Tomb and now he's deep into Raw Pain Max. Amy is reading Torture Tomb having a lot of fun with it. Jac's first comment was. "Dean and I are soul mates" or something to that effect. Amy thinks that the stories are totally doable. Now, that's positive thinking. So, are there any plans for an adaptation of Andersson's famed books? I guess that's something that it will have to be discussed between the author and the producers. As far as I understand this, there's a willingness on both sides.

Congratulations to Eda Chang for her new great story. Eda joined Ralphus and A Canadian commenting about "Amy's possible interest a few years ago in filming one of my stories..." As I just mentioned that story is, still, in our plans. Jac is going over and over it, Amy worked at it. So, on paper, it is there... well, actually not on paper, in the computer, but it is there.

Eda mentions that she wrote that story to be filmed in a small budget, like Agent X was. However, as Amy and Jac looked into Eda's story, they actually made it grow into something that requires a bit more of a budget and it needs more than one location. Thus, Eda's story is more into the new the new way we're working now, with bigger budget, more complex stories, more actors, etc, etc, ... yes, like Maleficarum which is still running strong. If you didn't get it, I don't know what are you waiting for.

Amy and Jac will be back in Bolivia in less that ten days and our team will go into production mode. Everyone is very excited, psyched, to return to the set for more exciting movies. One reason we can do this, actually the main reason, is the support of our fans. We could not go on if our movies did not get an audience. It is because people buy our movies that we can make more. That's the basic reason.

Jac was asked, during the premiere of Barbazul in La Paz, what was the secret to so many releases, when most filmmakers release one film every few years, we release two, three films in one year. Jac responded that he didn't have any secret. It was simple. We make films, we sell them, we make more films. That's all there is to it. So, the more we sell, the more we make. Like The Beatles song "and in the end the love you get is equal to the love you give".

In that spirit, I promote another film we have in our store:

John Galt reacted to Amy's post by saying in parts: I am kind of looking forward to Dead But Dreaming because of the comments you made (way) earlier when the discussion revolved around torturing "to death" a victim who didn't die. That sounds interesting, and I'm waiting to see what direction that takes in the upcoming movie. That's an interesting point since that particular premise opens a wide range of possibilities, thus the need to have a trilogy, since the possibilities are endless. Imagine Sherlock Holmes and his Nemesis. They can go on forever, right, even if each story does not dwell with their issues, but something else. Well. It's something like that. Each film has it's own main story, or plot, but this plot is underscore by the larger conflict, one that lives beyond each movie and gives more than one excuse to torture someone even after that someone has been killed.

Reine Margot

Has anyone here ever ordered anything from Video Mayhem? I was going to order something from them, and I was wondering who I should make the money order out to. Just the name of the company, probably?

Video Mayhem is not a sophisticated operation. When you order, they e-mail you to send the payment (money order or check) to "VM" at the address shown on the website. They have been know to drop orders now and then, but I think they do pretty well. Recently they shipped an order before I even sent payment. And you can't beat the prices.

This is the age of micro-electronics. If even 20 years ago (I watch old movies) a "wire" involved a box that could be felt for and for any range, a wire antenna that had to be wrapped around the body, today a clothespin can be a radio microphone and shiny navel piercing a video camera. And a whole multi-media system can be put into a blouse button or bikini fastener. Granted, this level of miniaturization is expensive (and a level above the "Spy Shop" gear sold commercially), but everyone (at least of the bad guys) knows it is available.

What this means in practice is: anyone who is captured will be stripped completely nude, every piece of metal she has on or through her, will be removed and then, if they have access to the equipment, she will be x-rayed and checked with a bug-detector. If the special equipment is not available, they will, very slowly and carefully run a metal detector set at maximum sensitivity, over every square inch of her body.

If she is determined to be "clean", then she will be taken in one direction and her removed clothes and jewelry in another direction. This will be done regardless of whether, afterwards, she is slated for enhanced interrogation, or to be treated "correctly" (in which case they will have their own - certified bug-free - clothes to give her to put on).

Additionally there is the matter of the endo-dermal tracking chip. (Actually, the x-ray or metal detector treatment is particularly intended to catch those.) This can be surgically implanted and if a couple of weeks are available for the cut to heal, becomes totally invisible. As it works as a responder to a GPS "ping", it can however inevitably be electronically located.

When these first came out, they were marketed, particularly in countries like Mexico which has a major kidnapping problem, as the perfect solution. Unfortunately, every solution has a "counter-solution". In Mexico the kidnapping gangs simply announced their "policy" in response. Anyone they find has a chip will be executed immediately: "so Mister Millionaire, if you want your kids to be shot and their bodies dissolved in acid without even getting a ransom note, go ahead and chip them."

Still there are situations where these chips are used, so the appropriate counter-precautions are taken. Obviously, if this is a captured spy who is a high value intelligence target for example, shooting them on the spot because they have a chip would be contraindicated. Immediate removal surgery with a combat knife and no anesthetic could be distinct possibility however.

The US military had considered chipping, particularly air-crews, to help in locating personnel for rescue, however the idea was rejected both because it led to serious questions about Geneva Convention protections for such individuals as Prisoners of War - who would now be considered human tracking (or targeting) devices; and even if it was somehow agreed that a captured soldier could not be shot on the spot if he/she was chipped, we would really not want to subject our personnel to the "immediate removal surgery" option either. While at the same time, the US military did not want to be legally bound to, in some way, tolerate the continued presence of such a tracking/targeting device in someone they have captured.

But in my defense, that website could use quite a bit of work design-wise.

As Ralphus pointed before, a vampire movie is a seller. A vampire movie with lots of GIMP is a better seller. A vampire movie trilogy with a lot of GIMP can sell for years to come. Right?

Right...what you have in mind is the GIMPer's alternative to the Twilight saga, and not a moment too soon for my liking. Down the road, I can even envision a boxed-set on my shelf. Mmmmm....

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Lynn wrote:

This is the age of micro-electronics...What this means in practice is: anyone who is captured will be stripped completely nude, every piece of metal she has on or through her, will be removed and then, if they have access to the equipment, she will be x-rayed and checked with a bug-detector. If the special equipment is not available, they will, very slowly and carefully run a metal detector set at maximum sensitivity, over every square inch of her body.

Thanks, you've laid out the final rationale for ensuring that every kidnapped (fantasy) babe should be immediately deprived of her clothing - no excuses.

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Today's Pic: Ah, duct tape, my favorite type of gag.

As a matter of fact, duct tape is a prime ingredient of my most recent fantasy.

Don't worry, Mandy...you won't need to sing for us

Regarding "Abducted"....... Sir, slowly step away from the Video Box. Lauren Holly is not only not the torturer, but she is the abductee. In fact, the only one tortured is the viewer. See our comments about a week ago.

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In the midst of the current storm in the U.S. over the availability of assault weapons, we are once again told that violent acts are a by-product of widespread exposure to images of carnage found in movies, TV and video games.

This despite the fact that one of the deadliest military conflicts in history occurred long before the invention of these electronic media.

Curious logic.

In the midst of the current storm in the U.S. over the availability of assault weapons, we are once again told that violent acts are a by-product of widespread exposure to images of carnage found in movies, TV and video games.

You know, I get sick of hearing that shit by the NRA and right-wing talk radio hosts. It's always something else, some outside force to blame, other than the obvious answer...it's too goddamn easy to get guns in this country. "Guns don't kill people, people kill people". Yeah, right. What do they do, throw bullets at each other?

Blaming entertainment is a convenient excuse. They're trying to say watching violent movies desensitizes us to violent acts, and makes it easier to go out and shoot people. That's the same logic that says that watching women get raped on screen makes us want to repeat the act in real life. That's why you don't see rape scenes in X-rated movies anymore, like you used to in abundance in the 1970s and early 80s. They were essentially banned by the Reagan administration with the Meese Report, a bullshit document that was essentially a self-fulfilling prophecy. But it did succeed in censoring adult material for decades to such an extent that it's only been recently that niche fetish companies like PKF, for instance, have been allowed to put hardcore rape scenes into their productions.

But getting back to shooting, it's poll question time, just to get this quiet board talking again.

GIMP POLL:
Do you like seeing women shot in movies?

I know PKF has a whole line of movies that cater to the shooting fetish, where you have dozens of women getting shot in every production. I do sort of understand the appeal, but by and large that kind of thing doesn't turn me on. I have nothing against seeing women get killed, but shooting is way too quick, and therefore not quite as satisfying for me.

There is one shooting scene, though, that I've always had a real fondness for. Ever see 52 Pick-Up with Kelly Preston? She's shown on a videotape that the bad guys make to blackmail Roy Scheider. They tie her to a chair (making sure to expose her breasts first...a very good call) and cover her up with a board. Then they pump 5 bullets into her, even showing it in slow-motion, while Scheider watches in horror. It's a very good scene, and of course, Kelly Preston was a major babe back then.

You can watch the scene in its entirety on YouTube at this link: 52 Pick-Up It still amazes me how they're allowing feature-length R-rated stuff on that site now.

All right, guys. Let's hear from you on this poll question. Everybody needs to vote. And the only wrong answer is not to answer at all. So make me proud.

Talking about the NRA / Republican's "let's blame gun violence on Hollywood, TV, www and gun violence video games" nonsense can drive us sane (not mentally ill) gimp loving crazies crazy. There is no logic to it period. Bill K.

Because they don't have women that hot in Vietnam

You can't be serious?

I was in Vietnam in 2006 and you could not be more wrong! And what about Eda's most recent story? Just because the rest of the world spent decades trying to blow the place into oblivion doesn't mean all its inherent beauty was destroyed.

You can't be serious?

Just a silly joke. Truthfully, I think Asian women are the hottest women around. I guess that answers my question as to whether people actually read my pop-up captions.

Now let's hear your answer to the poll question. I'm pretty sure Shooting Women is about to gain a vote.

Not that the Viet Cong were angels...they were doing extrajudicial executions of people associated with the South Vietnam government & civil society left and right during the Tet Offensive. As far as the poll question goes, no, I don't find shooting women to be erotic or anything like that.

This is kind of off-topic, but what do y'all think of the controversy regarding "Zero Dark Thirty"? It portrays torture as something that led to the assassination of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, when in reality this wasn't the case. Personally I think this portrayal very offensive, much moreso than torture that is based on pure fiction. The American public's thoughts regarding torture are pretty fucked up and this shit isn't helping. I recognize the irony of me saying this. I'm a sadomasochist (emphasis on the "sado" part) who enjoys a good round of torture and despair. But state-conducted torture is something that should be suppressed and prosecuted whenever it rears its loathsome head, in my opinion.

A few things I found in some quick looking around on Google.

The "gun murder rate", which is different from "firearm deaths" (which include suicides, accidents and self-defense) around the world averages 6.9 per ONE-HUNDRED-THOUSAND people per year! In the US, that rate is 5.2. In other words, in the US you have a .00005 chance of being murdered in any given year. You're 2.5 times more likely to be killed in a motor vehicle accident.

Countries around the world -- as well as US States -- have widely different rates. The UK, Canada, Australia -- where guns are hard to get -- are much lower (1/3 to 1/2 the US rate.) But Brazil, where guns are almost impossible to get legally, has a rate of 22 -- 4 times higher than the US.

Looking at correlations (not necessarily causations) between various factors and gun deaths, the ugly (and not surprising) data show that "poverty", level of "working class" population and guns in schools are near the top. Interesting fact: the HIGHEST correlation was with "states that voted for McCain". So ban poverty, ban people working for a living, ban right-wing Republicans...but the indications that gun violence is related to gun ownership are not strong. BTW, there were some strong negative correlations with gun education, ban on assault weapons and trigger guards, meaning that they tended to relate to lower rates of death by gun.

But to the real central point of the poll, whether "entertainment" causes violence or is even correlated with it, the data is pretty much non-existent. Perfect ground for a political debate!

If we are honest with each other -- as we usually are here -- I doubt any of us can deny that over the years we have pursued our various kinks, it has taken more and more to produce the kick. I can remember the huge autonomic response that occurred in me just looking at the men's mag covers on the drugstore magazine rack (top shelves) when I was first recognizing what turned me on. Now I skip past those when they are a subject here. The HOM stuff I saw at its peak is now pretty tame for me. Even Paingate and whippedwomen, which were game-breakers when I first ran across them, don't do a lot for me anymore. Elite Pain, which is way over the top for many on this list, still has the potential to kick off the autonomic response. From my own personal experience, it seems absolutely clear that exposure to that kind of imagery does indeed inure one to it over time.

And there is no doubt in my mind (I've tracked heart rates and other autonomic indicators) that watching car chases and gun fights and the other staples of "entertainment" in US culture do kick us into fight-or-flight states. I'm sure the same is true for video games as well. What once shocked us now we watch while chatting with friends.

So I come down to the final question as the real one: does the fact that I am less sensitized to the "suffering" of a gimp as I watch more material mean that I am more likely to go out and grab some Chiclet and whip or electro torture her? The inability to tell the difference between fantasy and reality is pure and simple an issue of mental health. I have had women at my mercy (by their choice) and never gone "too far" in their or my own terms. I recognize that they are people, and playing a game in real life -- even a "non-consensual" one -- still has rules. When a Ted Bundy loses that line, whether he kills with a gun or tortures with a butter knife, it's not necessarily (in my mind) related to what he's been watching or how accessible guns or butter knives are to him. It's related to his inability to maintain control over his impulses. Being poor or mentally ill or any of a number of issues could make it a lot harder to recognize the line, but evidence suggests that, once you've lost it, you'll find a way to do what you want to do.

In my own personal experience, I would argue that watching men's mag covers, then HOM, then PG/WW, then Elite Pain has actually made me LESS likely to do anything for real. Whatever that deep drive within me that enjoys seeing real breasts whipped or nipples with electro clamps on them comes from, it has become less and less exciting over the years (maybe just a dropoff in testosterone with age).

I come back to an issue that has risen several times here (with more or less heat). Whip a breast, and I'm right there. Tie it with wire and turn it blue (so it can't jump which its owner writhes), I fast forward. Cut it with a knife. Not interested. Shoot its owner or beat her with fists or truncheons. Not interested. I have found that my kinks tend to be quite clear and personal. Seeing things that turn on other list-mates doesn't suddenly lead me to pursue those as well.

So my vote comes down to simply this. Our kinks are very personal, and possibly hard-wired in by very early experiences (read Stanislov Grof) and likely not broadly transferable. Our ability to control them and keep them in the realm of fantasies is almost certainly a function of our prefrontal areas and likely affected by the stability and success and comfort in our lives. That may raise some scary questions about what things will be like in a US with a lot more poor and desperate people. It seems to me, though, that instead of a government trying even further to remove rights and options to "protect" us, we could use one that helps produce positive economic conditions and a more civilized discourse.

Do you like seeing women shot in movies?

Only if I can't see them getting their throats cut with a knife.

My gut answer is "No"..... shooting a female victim is not something that I am into. But then I remembered some scenes in which the shooting --- when happening in context --- was so unexpected (such as, ahem... in "Resurrection County" that it worked)... except that it surely leaves nothing more to the imagination after that. So, with apologies for the equivocation, I would say "No"..... most of the time.

Having spent a year in Vietnam in 1970, I can be less equivocal in stating that Vietnamese woman are among the most beautiful in the world. Take the beautiful skin and hair of the 100% native Vietnamese and mix in the western influences brought by over hundreds of years of French occupation (to coin a phrase) and the results can take your breath away.

Having fired more than my share of assault rifles, I see it as incredible that anyone can believe that the crafters of the constitution intended the second amendment to include the right to own such killing machines. And that the NRA would be prepared to throw the first amendment under the bus in favor of their own narrow interests regarding the second amendment speaks volumes about where their true interest lies.

No, I don't like the death theme, however it is done. I prefer women to be alive and bemoaning their fate as being sexual toys in my fantasies. Not into necrophilia or maiming either, just naked and restrained for whatever I think up to do to them next with my vast warehouse of devices. If you kill them, you have to go out and find more.

But then I remembered some scenes in which the shooting --- when happening in context --- was so unexpected...

You know, that reminds me of another movie where I kept a shooting in my highlights compilation. It was in the movie Mission Manila, an otherwise mediocre movie made memorable by one great GIMP scene. An attractive blonde chick gets tied to the railroad tracks...and how often do you actually get to see that in a movie? I've mentioned before that one of my fantasies is to see the damsel actually get run over by the train, which of course never happens.

Anyway, it's a major scene, takes several minutes, and there's suspense galore, with shots of her struggling on the tracks along with shots of the impending train...until she gets rescued at the last minute by the hero with the train just a few feet away.

Bummer, huh? But get this...she and the hero are riding away in the hero's car, and within a minute later, a sniper blows her away! Score! They gave the scene an "orgasm moment" after all. Not the kind I was expecting, but sort of a consolation prize for cheating us out of a payoff from the previous scene.

Not a movie, but I remember a story (probably somewhere in the BDSM Library Archives - I will search) about shooting a young lady. This particular young lady was (of course, for me to be remotely interested) buxom and her assailant (female, as I recall) set her up (i.e. tied her up) for target practice. If I was interested, you can guess what the targets were. The author was obviously a NRA member or sympathizer because he/she had done their homework on hand guns. The guns chosen were of sufficiently low caliber and the distance to the target(s) set such that the rounds when hitting the victim's breasts penetrated deep but not to the extent that they would reach vital organs. Hence the poor girl lasted a very long time and absorbed ever so many bullets in her pleasure mounds. Now that's my kind of GIMP shooting.

NO

Lynn, I strongly disagree with you for there is absolutely no problem with the Gimp cartoon headline. Almost all web sites like the Gimp require a high speed, up to date computer to access and view them so I think you should eliminate your computer instead. I am on my 5th computer which cost me $1000. I know $1000 is a costly expense but you've got to do what you got to do to keep up with the higher speeds of today's web sites and computer programs. Bill K.

No

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Willie J: I would actually LOVE to read that story, I hope you can locate it. Shooting a chick in her boobs as torture may not be exactly realistic if she's expected to survive multiple shots, but I like the premise. Maybe shooting arrows or darts into them might work better. At any rate, I want to read it.

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We've had some really well-written and well-thought out replies to the poll so far (with ahem, 3 exceptions) and it's only the first day. I'm loving the response so far, let's hear from the rest of you.

That said, there are some ways to make gunplay more erotic:

~ Eda mentioned firing squads. My problem is that the heroine in these situations is usually stoic and defiant. I like this attitude before the GIMPing starts, not at the end. A girl who is about to be executed should be crying and pleading and begging for her life; but I'd settle for seeing her in tears, gagged and mmphing for her life. And in every such scene I've encountered with a female victim, she is fully clothed. I'd prefer to see her dressed more like the one in today's pic. But that leads to another problem: would the guys in the squad be willing to shoot a girl who looks like that? I say yes, as long as they are done interrogating, tormenting and reaming her. At that point, she serves no other purpose and may be taken out to the firing squad.

~ Another situation is to use the gun, not to shoot the girl, but to force her to do what you want, like strip, submit to a whipping and perform sexual favors. For everyone. Over and over again. Then you can shoot her, because she's all used up.

So in answer to the poll question: Do you like seeing women shot in movies? My answer is NO, unless they really deserve it.

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Regarding the alleged causal connection between fantasy violence and real violence, I came across these interesting comments on web discussions:

~ If video games and movies caused violence in societies then Japan would be the murder capital of the world.

~ Video games don't kill people, people kill people

Food for thought.

Remember the daily picture 4 or 5 days back showing a gimp with arrows sticking in her with the bad guy pouring gasoline on her to finish her off? Picture if she had bullet holes (which she would surely would have bled out and died) instead of arrows. Bill K.

NO exceptions to that rule. Paintballs or small darts maybe.

YikYakker said:
"If video games and movies caused violence in societies then Japan would be the murder capital of the world."
~ Video games don't kill people, people kill people

I usually agree with you guys on philosophical or psychological debates, but you're wrong on this one. To say that you are more than the sum total of your experience is folly. Your predilection for GIMP came from such an experience. In Japan, there are other factors that form the national psyche. Perhaps their strong family structure, respect for their elders or sense of duty override such violence.

Certainly the esteemed members of this group can discern fantasy from reality because of their education and/or upbringing. The concern is for those without such structure and how they respond to the violent images that they're witnessing every day.

For some reason I can't get the tune "Singin' in the Rain" out of my head - oh yeah, "A Clockwork Orange" had a showing last night - wish all of us droogs, malchicks and davochkas could get together at the Koroba Bar for some Milk Plus and pay a visit to Adrienne Corri.

Stay well all

Like with any scene, it entirely depends on build up, how hot the actress is, how well she can act and what way the scene plays out. There is definitely something so sexy about the barrel of a gun being placed inside a woman's mouth and the trigger been pulled and misfiring. Brains all over a wall does nothing to get the pulse racing. When she's dead that's it and what fun is in that?

There's a nice little sizzler in "No Morire sola 2008" Forced to strip then raped with the barrel of a gun in her mouth. Mmm tasty I would have added a pic but don't know how.

Are you in favor of women being captured and hung by their tightly tied tits in movies? Yes.

Are you in favor of women being drawn in four directions by weighted wheels and tormented with shocks from a cattle prod? Yes.

Are you in favor of seeing women suffer multiple forced orgasms until they're screaming and teary-eyed and still the orgasms continue? Yes.

Are you in favor of women being shot in movies? No.

@Lynn: it is not actually an animated gif, but a flash. The good news is that all browsers have extensions (AdBlock Plus for example) that only loads flash ads/videos/banners if you click on them making loading any page fast.

Is the next daily picture going to be arrows or spears I wonder, sort of dueling weapons of torture and death? Bill K.

Why? The question is spurious. It's not just about shooting; it's also about killing. Most respondents are assuming (and with some merit) that a scene in which a GIMP is shot will depict her demise. For many it seems the death of the victim, not the method involved, is the reason they voted no. I'm sure asking "Do you like seeing women beheaded in movies?" would draw similar responses.

This group is about women in peril, so most folks are here to read about slow, painful, humiliating torments inflicted on female victims. Is anyone surprised the majority of GIMPers would rather not see a quick, painless shooting, something which pretty much puts the kibosh on further peril action? Yet many people do like this sort of thing. Thousands of them hang out here, where by the way, the majority frowns on rape and torture getting in the way of the death scenes.

So why did I vote yes? I suppose I am a member of both camps. I enjoy female peril and I enjoy erotic demise. That said, I really don't get much of a thrill from seeing a woman shot absent of any other GIMP elements. But when added to scenes already involving girls in danger, enduring torture, sexual abuse and other cruelties, shooting the victim at the climax certainly boosts the impact for me. It shows the stakes are as high as they can get. As for bringing the proceedings to a sudden stop? well, the fun has to end some time. Besides, if you lose one, there are many other fish in the oceans of fantasy.

Willie J wrote:

I remember a story (probably somewhere in the BDSM Library Archives - I will search) about shooting a young lady. This particular young lady was (of course, for me to be remotely interested) buxom and her assailant (female, as I recall) set her up (i.e. tied her up) for target practice. If I was interested, you can guess what the targets were.

Many years ago I wrote a story (among my first GIMP writing attempts) in which there is a scene just like this one. I'm not sure whether it's the one you read, but the assailant is female, the victim is decidedly buxom, she's tied up, and her superstructure is used for target practice. The artist known on the 'net as Zerns illustrated it for me. Here is a page depicting the shooting scene.

The story is quite brutal and will likely have limited appeal around this forum, but if there's interest I can share it. If you want to know more about my writing, some of it can be found on Eda's story page.

As in the case of this story, given a shooting that is not fatal, I wonder if any poll respondents would change their vote.

One more thing... has anyone mentioned that among this year's Sundance line-up is a documentary about Kink.com? Appropriately, it is called kink, and it was directed by a woman. I fear our world is about to get a whole lot of attention we could probably live without.

Also what it doesn't say (ask) is using guns to subdue and create terror in the gimp which is an OK thing for me but then again a big knife may work just as well. Fear of death by being shot can add to an erotic gimp scene event to me but once she's shot then no good. Bill K.

Well I guess I get the timing award. There is actually a female being shot in the course of this movie. I am into action. Shooting is action.

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I saw this poll and had to chime in. My vote is yes. But, that is a vote for me, the individual of course. And I vote yes for various reasons. Here is why...

I enjoy the peril aspects that a gun brings to the scene. And, in my movies, I have used a gun simply as a peril element--never fired. Now, as you know, I make erotic death movies. You might be saying, well, death is not erotic. Of course real death is not--nor is thinking about it. But, in the context of my movies, for many of the consumers who grew up with Hollywood eroticizing fantasy death--it is. Fantasy play death. I cannot tell you how many movies I saw as a child where a female character was shot and dies. Many. And, the NRA would tell us, I am now imprinted with violence toward women or some nonsense like that. For me, it garnered sympathy for the character--but also excitement.

Perhaps it was because I know it was not real. No one has really been shot. In fact, most Hollywood reenactments of shootings look nothing like the real thing. Characters react nothing like in real life. Why? Because, it is not meant to be that. Real. It is fantasy and part of the fantasy is creating that fantasy ideal of a death scene. So, in Hollywood, they become erotic in some way. First, the woman are hot. And, if I like a certain girl, been following her career a bit, I almost get excited when I see she is going to be in some horror movie. I want to see her get killed and see how it happens and how she reacts knowing that Hollywood will milk the full sexiness of the starlet for promises of movie goers and theater popcorn sales. Death in movies is pure fantasy and it is so far from real death, our minds can go back to when we were kids and we played cops and robbers. I am not sure what my tween mind is thinking when I cradled the neighbor girl who was playing dead in my arms. It sure wasn't yuck. Let's be real.

In movies, plays, video games music videos, and yes, even in extended drawn out fetish movies, the girls are simply being sexy. There will be a few, of course, that associate real death with play death, just like those that can't watch bank heist movies because it simply hits to close to home. But, in general, a death scene in a movie is a quick fantasy moment and at worst, it's "Thank god she was not fat" to "Wow, Scarlett Johansson playing dead with a bullet to her chest--showing some cleavage--looks hot and, yeah--I would do her".

So with that long boring speech, I say, sure, shooting in a fantasy, sexualized movie, is hot. I like strangling a little better just because it is longer and I like to watch the pelvis thrusts and such. Sorry, I am always thinking about sex. Must be a guy thing.

As a director, I like shooting in that they are a challenge. From simple holes to massive squib effects with sweet syrupy red stiff flowing. I like a challenge for sure.

Now, everyone is into their own thing. I know, for the most part, folks here do not want death. And, I always hope with my movies, if they were to get them-- they watch what they want-- skip the ending. Most of my BDSM movies are 30-40+ minutes of rape, torture and all that goes with it before the death scene, so it is an easy part to skip anyhow.

Well, that is all I can think of.

JohnM

Any guy who has an attractive woman captive and is not using her for sexual favors has issues with women well beyond the GIMP world. I see it occasionally on this forum and it's primarily the reason I lurk more than participate.

I'm going to defer commenting on this one until you've helped me understand whether you are referring to a real guy or a male perpetrator in a fantasy GIMP scenario. I'm just not clear on that.

I usually agree with you guys on philosophical or psychological debates, but you're wrong on this one. To say that you are more than the sum total of your experience is folly. Your predilection for GIMP came from such an experience.

We've occasionally talked about the origins of our GIMPery. I'm sure others will have something to say about this so to keep my own post short I'll jump in later.

But I think you may be responding to two statements from my last post that, just to clarify, I should say that these statements were not mine. I pulled them from other website discussions and posted them, as I said, as "food for thought." It doesn't mean I endorse these points of view. The statements were:

~ If video games and movies caused violence in societies then Japan would be the murder capital of the world.

~ Video games don't kill people, people kill people

To which you responded:

In Japan, there are other factors that form the national psyche. Perhaps their strong family structure, respect for their elders or sense of duty override such violence;

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Certainly the esteemed members of this group can discern fantasy from reality because of their education and/or upbringing. The concern is for those without such structure and how they respond to the violent images that they're witnessing every day.

On the first point: Japanese culture may indeed have some traits that moderate the exposure to violence and prevent the kind of mass shootings that occur so often in the U.S. However, those cultural traits do not appear to have any effect on the mass poisonings or the frequent sexual violation of women that afflict the transportation system there.

On the second point, we have to admit that unbalanced individuals (those who cannot distinguish fantasy from reality) may be more susceptible to the influence of violent imagery; but we don't know that for sure. In fact, the Secret Service, among others, tried to develop a profile of mass murderers and had to conclude that there really was no consistent pattern or set of factors to explain the motivations of these individuals. One commonality among American mass murderers is that they tend to be white males; but then you have Brenda Spencer, who will forever be associated with the Boomtown Rats song, I Don't Like Mondays. As bad as things are here in the U.S., we are not plagued with the atrocities of tribal warfare or the carnage of soccer-stadium riots that characterize other societies, just to name a few examples.

So I would just emphasize that large-scale violent acts have afflicted every society over the span of human history. As one scholar has stated, "No society, no city, no culture, and no country may claim a special immunity from their occurrence."

I'm totally with Nia on this poll. Shooting an attractive captive is just an appalling waste of natural resources.

Nia wrote: "I'll come out of lurking for this poll, but only because it's so disturbing. Obviously the answer is "NO!" Any guy who has an attractive woman captive and is not using her for sexual favors has issues with women well beyond the GIMP world. I see it occasionally on this forum and it's primarily the reason I lurk more than participate."

Since the discussion has taken a turn to discussing mass shootings, I'll put forward my opinion that our modern overuse of psychiatric drugs is a major factor, if not the actual cause, of our epidemic of mass shootings. Just a couple totally non-GIMP links here:

Another School Shooting, Another Psychiatric Drug?
http://www.cchrint.org/2012/07/20/schoolshootings-drugs/

Anatomy of an Epidemic: Psychiatric Drugs and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America
http://www.cchr.org/sites/default/files/Anatomy_of_an_Epidemic_Psychiatric_Drugs_Rise_of_Mental_Illness.pdf

Any guy who has an attractive woman captive and is not using her for sexual favors has issues with women well beyond the GIMP world. I see it occasionally on this forum and it's primarily the reason I lurk more than participate.

Well, first off, I apologize if anything about our posters makes you hesitate to post here. If I were a woman I might be uncomfortable hanging around here given the perceived level of misogyny on display here, both in the pictures and in the comments some of us make. I admit on the surface it may look like the He-Man Woman Hater's Club. I don't know everyone here, but speaking for myself personally, I can tell you I love women. I also love seeing them tortured. In movies. And in stories. It's all a fantasy.

I know a lot of women have the rape fantasy. I had a relationship with a woman I met online who was really into the fantasy of being raped, of being taken, but balked when it came to being tortured. That's understandable, it's probably more a male dominant thing as opposed to a female submissive trait. But it doesn't mean those guys are monsters or deviants or have a deep-seeded hatred toward the female sex. They're just wired differently.

You may consider the poll "disturbing", but remember we're talking about shooting women in movies, not in real life. It's perfectly on-topic given the theme of the site; we're trying to gauge what people like in their entertainment. And since you're a female, we especially like hearing from you, so don't feel you need to lay low. I don't think any of our members secretly want to shoot you. You're perfectly safe, especially since I installed the high-tec security system with metal detectors that everyone has to pass through before they enter this site.

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carnyx asked:

I have a question about the hot iron database. I know of a mainstream movie that features a near branding, but the branding is stopped before it takes place. Would that still count for the database?

Yes, absolutely, threatening or menacing with a red hot iron would still count for the database. Contact me via e-mail and we'll see about adding your movie.

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Daniel: Much better answer this time, thank you :)

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Fritz: So you wrote the boob-shooting story? Small world, isn't it? Only Willie J will know for sure if it's the one he remembered, but the description sure does match. At any rate, send it to me and I can add it to the Stories section here. It sounds like a fun read.

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JohnM: Good to see you stop by and explain things from the other perspective. Your side is still getting trounced, but everything you wrote makes perfect sense. I'm not especially a death fetishist, but I don't dislike seeing women snuffed. I'd just prefer something slower and more drawn out so she can suffer more.

Keep up the poll answers, guys. Great stuff so far.

No. Not in movies, not in images. Torture and rape are bad things in the real world, but they do have a fantasy counterpart that can be erotic. I would disagree with Max. Shooting isn't action. It's the END of action. Murder is the end of action. Stabbing, shooting with arrows or guns. It's over. Not just for the murderer, but especially for the gimp. You can come back from even an Elite Pain whipping in a matter of a week or so, but you don't come back from being murdered.

I don't have any Piers Morgan-like objections to shootings in GIMP films. In fact, one of my long-time favorite GIMP films, Shark 231, includes scenes depicting some of the heroines being shot to death. It doesn't bother me.

But it doesn't turn my crank, either.

I can't say that I "like" it in that I would ever go looking for such a thing. I get no blast out of it, so to speak.

What I do enjoy, when they're done right, are depictions of heroines being threatened with a gun.

As I mentioned in last month's review of 2012, many GIMP scenes work better when the victim is threatened at gunpoint.

Then JohnM and Fritz, two heavyweights on the site (and I mean in stature, not girth), joined my "yes" side and explained, better than I had, some of the reasons for the "yes" view.

I think the best line was Fritz's that there are many fish in the ocean of fantasy, and it made me realize that perhaps some of you on the "no" side interpreted the poll question a bit differently than I did. If the question is to be interpreted as asking whether, when watching a specific film, you hope that a woman character is shot, then I generally agree with the "no" answers. I don't want a woman character removed before the end of the film when, if she remains alive, there is so much more that can happen to her character that I would prefer over a quick shooting death.

But I interpreted the question in the world of unlimited fantasy, where, if one woman character is killed, there is always another -- either in the same film or story or the next readily available one -- to take her place. So I answered simply whether a shooting that did not reduce the possibility of future GIMP was one of the things that I like, for which I answered "yes." I'm not sure that this interpretation would change any of your votes, but I just wanted to draw the distinction.

Anyway, I appreciate all of you who disagree but accept --and with our kinks, I think we are among the most ready to accept -- the adage "to each his/her own." I am somewhat disappointed, though, in the few characterizations of a "no" answer as "obvious" or a "yes" answer as "disturbing." We are talking about fantasy on a GIMP site in which virtually all who have responded to the poll enjoy (as do I) fantasy scenes of rape and torture that are hardly less "disturbing" in real life than shootings. In real life, believe it or not, I don't torture or kill anyone nor want to see anyone tortured or killed.

In real life, believe it or not, I don't torture or kill anyone nor want to see anyone tortured or killed.

What about tickling?

Any guy who has an attractive woman captive and is not using her for sexual favors has issues with women well beyond the GIMP world. I see it occasionally on this forum and it's primarily the reason I lurk more than participate.

I wanted to add my couple cents to points that Ralphus made which I very much agree with, but which are very important to me one who greatly appreciates the line that this forum walks.

I consider the matter of what [in this case] men are naturally attracted to sexually (i.e., what turns us on) to be one of the most natural and spontaneous of instincts. I often wondered when I was young why I was attracted to thoughts involving the mistreatment of women. I thought about family, social experiences and lots more. I really came up with nothing.... and along the way I began deciding that it really didn't matter ...

... because I really love women ... and in my real life, love, respect and treat women well... including my significant other.

That we have women contributors on this forum is a real bonus... and to hear from Nia, Eda, Amy, Lynn and other woman on the plethora of kinky stuff we touch on is more than I could have imagined. I too have seen the rare but occasional post by a non-regular contributor that gives me pause. But the fact that that occurs as rarely as it does tells me that the intelligence and clarity of the large majority of posts are creating a kind of self-selection process that says "if you do not understand that we are into fantasy and fantasy only, please go somewhere else".

Now, Nia..... undress.

JohnM: Good to see you stop by and explain things from the other perspective. Your side is still getting trounced, but everything you wrote makes perfect sense. I'm not especially a death fetishist, but I don't dislike seeing women snuffed. I'd just prefer something slower and more drawn out so she can suffer more.

Well, I never expected "my side" to win. Frankly, I don't really have a side. I watch and enjoy all kind of movies. Strap-on sex with two girls is one of my faves and does not include shooting or violence of any sort, though I shot one last year that did and it was fun to watch too.

I find that one of the biggest "issues" when trying to understand a fantasy is its association to reality. In the case of the movies I make, there is none. But, I know with BDSM, there are some things that are very real. And, perhaps because of that, there is a blurry line when other "fake" elements are included.

There are lots of things that turn people on and for various reasons. Many of those reasons are not what you think. For instance, the prime appeal of my "Gun Fun" series of movies is jiggling breasts. One would think, that maybe I could just shoot a girl jumping up and down. But, it is the context that is part of the fetish. A BDSM scene in a brightly pastel colored room with puppies yapping nearby, might not sell the scene as well. With jiggly boobs, but a girl in tight spandex, or a school girl outfit and have her repeatedly drop and flop and jiggle in reaction to being hit with imaginary bullets and suddenly, it's a big hit.

And, then, there are other variants for various people. I do resuscitation movies--you know, CPR, Defibrillators and such. I personally have always been into it because of a scene I saw when I was young from a movie called "Re-Animator". Anyhow, I--again, like the jiggly boob aspect of it. But others I find, like it for different reasons as well and I am learning more and more about the fetish everyday.

I try to make it my business to understand fetishes even if I am not personally into them. I never judge. I watched a ticking bondage video being made at my studio the other day--I think I am a new convert!

In the death fetish community, the "shooters" and the "asphyxia" crowd are like Republicans and Democrats sometimes. They don't get each other and they always complain that I am leaning too far to one side or the other. And, within each category, there are so many sub-categories it is unbelievable.

Anyhow, it was a fun poll, but I have my doubts is was appropriate for this forum. It would be like a poll on my forum to the effect of, how the girl manages to escape. Then again, if the fantasies are continued through most of the BDSM movie, I would guess the girls, if non-consensual, would end up in a shallow grave :-) Fortunately, they just end and everyone lives happily ever after.

Well, I am off for a few days. See you on the other side!

Have a great weekend!

JohnM

Do I like seeing ladies shot? Absolutely NOT! Game is over then. I love when the game lasts all day long! I am a Bondage Master, not a killer.

The only bullets that I like are the ones that got bin Laden. There is a new drink available, "The bin Laden". It consists of two straight shots and a splash of water.

Interesting poll. I know I have said this before, but I don't really care for the shooting scenes all that much. To me they have little erotic value other than maybe symbolically. It's way too quick and sexless of an ending. Nothing against those that do like the blood and bullet holes, but it doesn't work for me sexually. For me it is a no.

Video Games and Murder: It's all too easy to mistake correlation for causation. People predisposed to murder may like to play games with violence in them, that doesn't mean it is causative. Psychopaths are probably going to kill whether they play video games or not. The adult video industry has been the target of these same type of accusations concerning sexual abuse. I don't believe entertainment is the cause of crime and there is scientific evidence that backs that up. There is also data suggesting violent porn and video games may actually benefit society by bleeding off anti social behavior in a safe environment.

The phenomenon of mass shootings is a people problem, not an entertainment problem or a gun problem. Most of these shooters seem to be mentally ill. We have a lousy mental health system that is allowing crazed individuals to slip through the cracks. It is a complicated problem which I don't think can be solved by bans or censorship. Disturbed people will figure out new methods to inflict carnage if they can't get a firearm and they will do so whether or not they played Call of Duty or Hitman.

52 Pickup: I really like that movie, but the shooting part was anti climactic. That's how I generally feel about the shooting of girls in a film. The part leading up was pretty good though. I was kind of inspired by this movie, but in other ways. I really liked the Ann Margaret heroin hooking scene, I played off that idea in South of the Border 6 and Robopimp and probably a few others. Also, Vanity's pillow smothering was an influence on True Detective. 52 Pickup had a few choice moments and overall the movie was really good too.

A Canadian: I like the idea of threatening with guns as a plot device, its a great way to enforce compliance and create an atmosphere of danger and fear. Using a gun as a sex toy to humiliate and intimidate also works. Shooting the girls is a different fetish unto itself which is why it may not click with some of us.

That's it for now. I hope everyone is having a great weekend!

Rick

I consider the matter of what [in this case] men are naturally attracted to sexually (i.e., what turns us on) to be one of the most natural and spontaneous of instincts. I often wondered when I was young why I was attracted to thoughts involving the mistreatment of women. I thought about family, social experiences and lots more. I really came up with nothing.... and along the way I began deciding that it really didn't matter ...

Yeah I guess it happens in very early childhood or something. Maybe I've said this before on this site, but my first experience with bondage was at the age of eight, when I convinced the teenage girl who was looking after me to do it. I don't know, I remember that pretty well and I remembered loving the feeling of restraint, even at that age. Pretty weird.

That interest has continued for my entire life, including when I became older and started to notice the opposite sex, and my interests in captivity and restraint and such bled into that whole thing. So I'm pretty comfortable with my thoughts related to that, in that I know my interests in that area are...primordial, and not based on some hatred of women or something.

I can definitely see how people think that, though, and if I were a woman I'd probably think this site is pretty weird and wouldn't post here, lol

Like we had the question on bloodiness, I like a little blood and a few bruises to make a scene more realistic. But when the blood's gushing out of gaping wound it does nothing for me.

As far as video games and violence in mass media. I do believe it has some effect. The sheer quantity has to desensitize. But to me the solution is not censorship as much as age appropriateness. A strict adherence to age rating would deal with most of the problems. If some solitary loaner 13 year old is learning how to shoot and maim on Call of Duty while he isn't developing any social skills the result could be real bad by the time he's 20 or so.

I personally think a bigger problem in Hollywood is the moral ambiguity of the stories that are told. It's no longer the good guy winning taking out the bad guy, it's some conflicted OK guy taking out some conflicted not so OK guy. Good v. Evil stories are rarely produced anymore. Even Saving Private Ryan went out of its way to humanize Nazi's . While this may work for people who have a moral compass established, it provides no benefit for those whose moral compass is still in development.

I'll write this post completely naked, as commanded.

You wrote:
... and along the way I began deciding that it really didn't matter ...

As a person with a submissive personality, I got myself into some very dangerous situations when I was a teenager, exploring my sexuality. So I never decided that it didn't matter and I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out the source of this inclination. I still haven't figured it out and perhaps my allure to this forum is the intelligent dialogue that runs through it. Thanks for the insight.

to Ralphus:
There's no need to apologize. I fully understand fantasy nature of the forum. I think that the problem is with me. My husband and I like to role-play with Gimp themes and we're always looking for new ideas. Your forum has provided us with the ideas for many fun nights and memorable weekends.

That being said, I'm not Manti Te'o either and am very wary of the fine line between fantasy and reality, especially since I work in the mental health field and regularly see a lot of people who don't see that line as clearly as most of us here.

to YikYakker
I totally expected to get ripped for my post and was pleasantly surprised by the intellectual responses. So, first let me thank you for that. I know that I'm a lot less mature than most of you and probably plays into my fear. So I will continue the thread as you asked.

You said: I'm going to defer commenting on this one until you've helped me understand whether you are referring to a real guy or a male perpetrator in a fantasy GIMP scenario.

I'm not sure there is a difference. If you experience a sexual response to these stimuli, doesn't that imply that you find that exciting, thus wishing you could be in that role? It does for me anyway. The only thing that occurs to me that might be different is perhaps the way men and women view these scenes? I don't know.

You said: we have to admit that unbalanced individuals (those who cannot distinguish fantasy from reality) may be more susceptible to the influence of violent imagery; but we don't know that for sure.

Working with these people every day, as I do, it's as clear to me as cigarette smoking causing cancer. It's not 100% sure, but there's a very high correlation. I've witnessed young men in therapy do nothing but repeat violent rap lyrics, for example. And I'm not just referring to people with mental illness, but with many from broken families with no moral background or guidance, whose entire moral code is learned on the street. All of these images are factors in their anti-social behavior and for many there's not even a line at all.

I'll get dressed now.

Hey Babe, how about some pictures next time? And with a ballgag!

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Nia wrote: If you experience a sexual response to these stimuli, doesn't that imply that you find that exciting, thus wishing you could be in that role?

Not necessarily. There are many here among us who just like to watch. We are excited by the fantasy (imagery) but would not want to act it out in real life. Plus, it's a lot of work to get it right in the real world. Could get messy. Wouldn't want to end up in jail.

Nia also wrote: ...I'm not just referring to people with mental illness, but with many from broken families with no moral background or guidance, whose entire moral code is learned on the street. All of these images are factors in their anti-social behavior and for many there's not even a line at all.

As someone who works daily with mentally ill populations, you have my respect and admiration. However, what you are describing is the day-to-day reality of hopeless and valueless circumstances in which these young people live and which they are prone to imitate. I suggest that gravitating toward violent images and music is not a cause, but a symptom, of their anti-social attitudes. It is a type of confirmation bias, by which people seek out or pay inordinate attention to that which supports or reinforces beliefs that they have already adopted. Others may buy into the imagery but not the lifestyle.

When the NRA recently proposed that gun violence is not a gun availability issue, but a mental health issue, mental health professionals protested that the NRA was making a spurious connection between mental illness and violent behavior, which they furiously sought to refute.

There may be, as Nia says, a high correlation between violent imagery and violent behavior. But correlation is not always the same as causation. If we accept the notion that violent imagery causes violent behavior, then we are supporting the argument that the fantasy content of this site contributes to real-life atrocities against women.

As a social researcher, I don't buy it because the evidence is not there.

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Another cautionary tale about dissing someone in an online forum.

Another cautionary tale about dissing someone in an online forum.

Noted.

I just want to go on record to say that I think Ralphus, YikYakker and the other contributors to the forum are absolutely splendid. This is especially true for Nia, even when she's fully dressed.

Yeah, you're just saying that because she got naked for you.

Was it that obvious?

A Canadian That's too funny. Don't worry. We're cool here. No Bengal cheerleaders.

No interest at all in seeing a woman shot or strangled or even killed after an interrogation session, unless it comes naturally of the situation (of course, it would apply even more to "abduction" situations where the subject is completely innocent, i.e., a "civilian". But I like to differentiate sharply between the two).

Wananchi

Am I the only one who is reminded of the restaurant chain called Pink Taco?

That is quite a fierce look on her face...sort of like the sudden glares that Lane fires at the Masked Man in her Powershotz vids.

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Speaking of shooting, I appreciate what Eda, Fritz and JohnM have said regarding the poll question. I certainly responded with the scenario of a victim being shot without any context or build-up in mind. I still don't like shooting as a method of terminating the victim, for all the reasons mentioned by the "No" voters. But sometimes the shooting comes at the end of a nicely developed scene.

One that comes to mind is Erica Gavin snuff scene from Beyond the Valley of the Dolls. As she slumbers in the nude, the killer enters her room and inserts the gun barrel in her mouth. Still sleeping, Erica seems to be dreaming about sucking cock and reacts by giving the gun barrel some head. She suddenly awakes and discovers the horrible reality.

Anyway, it was a very sexy build-up to the end, nicely done. But when I saw it in the theater, all I could think of afterward was, "Oh no, what a waste of a fine babe."

But I'm more open to snuff scenes now, as long as they are not "perfunctory." Strangulation is kinda cool, because it can be a very intense and intimate encounter between GIMPer and victim, with a lot of drama potential.

Amy Hesketh gets that treatment in the upcoming Barbazul.

A while ago I posted about one of my favourite London based bands 'Manflu', led by the crazy-sexy Khazakh Aza Shade. I mentioned that I knew they were filming a new video on the drummers canal boat in Camden Town, and that it had a bondage theme. Well, it did, and they have finally finished it and posted it 'youtube'. It doesn't have much of a 'GIMP' theme (apart from the risk of falling in a filthy London canal whilst wearing a shibari bondage harness), but it DOES have nudity, bondage, and a great tune (if you like spiky no-wave rock). Enjoy - it probably won't stay on you-tube all that long!

Manflu - Wizard Video

She is tied to a chair with a bag over her head, hit in the face, the bag is removed, her duct-tape gag is removed, she is threatened and the chair is pushed over backwards with her in it.

Finally, she is pulled from being bound kind of AOH in a closet, tossed onto a bed, has her hands zip-tied to the headboard, and is threatened with a knife (and, I think, was about to be raped as well), when the US Marshalls kick the door in and save her.

Drat. No nudity, but fairly violent for TV. Although, in all fairness, not all that violent for shows on the FX Network. Anyway, check it out if you get the chance.

This GIMP fan has very little interest in the BDSM-style stories and authors that you mentioned. With only a few exceptions the stories are consensual. This has been true to a large extent in recent months with the stories at BDSMLibrary (which appears to be down recently.) The Slave thing isn't my personal cup of tea. On the other hand... an apple-gagged lovely being basted in the oven....

What do people here think of the most famous BD/SM books ever written?

I haven't read most of them.

- "Story of O": Never read the book, only saw the movie.

- "9 1/2 Weeks": Ditto. The movie is overrated crap, BTW. But women seem to like it.

- I've read pieces of the John Norman Gor books. He's clearly one of us.

- I've never even heard of Sharon Green. But I went to church with a woman named Sharon Green. Does that count?

- Read an excerpt from "50 Shades of Grey" and thought it was awful. I'm guessing chicks will likely love the movie adaptation, which will inevitably happen sometime down the road.

- A friend loaned me the Marquis de Sade's "120 Days of Sodom" and there was a section in that book I used to read over and over. It described a myriad of torture scenarios that were quite exciting to me, if I recall.

I recently looked again at Salo, which was based on the book, because I was told there was a hot iron scene in the movie. Turns out, yeah, there was...with a guy! The film was heavy on homosexual scenes (big surprise, the director was gay) and while it featured lots of cute nude girls, mostly it was a waste. Whose idea was it to entrust this project to a gay director? I don't think de Sade would have approved.

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Darkroom: I like a lot of those drawings on your group. You and I like the same stuff, big breasts being tortured. That seems to be a theme with your work. Did you do the artworks, too? A number of those are quite good.

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John Galt: Nice find and good capping on that episode of "Justified". Yet another show I've never heard of, but the content looks mighty fine, based on the stills you posted.

That reminds me, does anyone know of any way to make clips or vidcaps off a DVR? I'm not a technical wizard so please keep the instructions simple. Do you need special wires or hardware?

Marquis de Sade, an 18th-century French writer for whom the term sadism is coined but are his writings the best books to read on the gimp subject? I think the Roman's arena gimp death torture stories are more brutal and elaborate but I guess it depends on which type of gimp torture you are into.

Dungeon torture devices and methods especially Inquisition witch torture stories - Are there any books with hopefully illustrations out there on the www?

A while back there was discussion on where to find Silvio Dante's brutal comics. There is:

http://www.pulptoon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28&page=3

A Pulptoon member just started posting them last week. You have to be member there to view them. Just a heads up. Bill K.

I'll just breakdown the scenes:

- Woman in bra and panties with hands tied behind her back (and tied to a post) gets slapped until she breaks down in tears. A solid scene.

- Woman in stockings and shoes with hands bound behind her gets slapped until she cries. And then slapped more. A kind of fucked up scene.

- Woman gets tied up in suspension by a guy in a kimono or something. She gets taken down and whipped mercilessly with a single-tail. A good scene.

- Woman gets taken out by aforementioned dude in kimono and is made to drink from a puddle. One of the weaker scenes.

- Woman is tied in heavy bondage upside down. She gets clamps put on her. Probably the weakest scene.

- Girl gets bound to a chair (clothed), later she has her breasts exposed and she gets "tormented" with a brush and a feather. Weak. But it foreshadows the best scene in the movie.

- The same chair girl gets tied up nude in a standing position and whipped. Later the guy who whips her throws a noose around her neck and appears to hoist her up. Then he whips her while simultaneously hoisting on her noose. This is the best scene in the film in my opinion, and it goes on for a good ten minutes:

- Topless woman is thoroughly gagged with cloth. She's well-bound from her torso to her ankles in a standing position. She gets whipped HARD. Her screaming is very audible even through her gagged mouth. She tries hopping away to avoid the blows but is immediately confronted with the realities of her bondage. Later on she is ungagged and we see several tears spilling down her face. A great scene.

- An enema scene. That's all I'm gonna say about that. I think enema scenes are gross and I don't know why they're in so many Japanese films.

- Ball-gagged woman is tied tightly in a standing position. Another woman in heels, stockings and a black dress enters the room and delivers a sound beating to her prisoner until the waterworks start...no gender solidarity here. The only femdom scene in the film. A very good scene, though, in my opinion.

- Nude girl gets cuffed in front, endures hot wax torture. Great facial expressions, lots of crying.

- Girl fully clothed gets tied to a chair and repeatedly slapped. Pretty much skipped over this one.

- Woman is ordered about by a dude in a military uniform, then later she has sex with that guy and another guy. The only sex scene in the film.

- Girl wearing one of those stupid ball gags with the holes in them gets nose hooked and whipped while standing upright in bondage.

And that's it. If you like endurance-type BDSM, then you may like it. There's no real sex in the movie besides one brief scene towards the end. There's a bunch of tight bondage and whippings and harsh treatment and such, though, so if you like that sort of thing maybe it's worth a look.

Therefore, I list below some of my stories that are less brutal and involve either no shooting or shooting that is relatively incidental to the story. In some (a definite minority, I admit) there is no death at all. Others focus on asphyx or electrocution.

I list them in a subjective order from less severe/no or less death to more on one or the other scale:

Unexpected Capture

The Demand

Up to You

Playing the Game (Part 1)

Bound for Love

Two By Sea

Swift Justice

Going Down

One Way Street

Price of Right

Iraqi Travails

Second Thoughts

All except Unexpected Capture, Playing the Game and Bound for Love are short stories.

I hope that this may give some of you who have felt that all my stories are too severe for you a chance to see whether some might not be.

Eda - your stories can never be too severe for this Gimper so keep churning them out.

Stay well all

I've recently discovered the Mondo64 vids, and while they're not very cruel, they are uncensored, which is nice when Japanese forced orgasms are the focus.

Ralphus: Those are my drawings, yes. They are a bit older than my newer works, which are better. I'll be posting those this weekend. More big-titted teases getting their just treatment, Farrel style.

In case anyone missed them, the drawings and images of past and upcoming bondage shoots are located at the link above in my photos section.

Today's Picture: I was so confused until I realized this was an actual Japanese cartoon and the panels read from right to left, then down and right to left again. That's what I get for not reading a lot of manga, I suppose.

For, what in my mind is the absolute perfect gun scene ever committed to film, I would point to Kelly Megillis's forced nudity in the movie 'Cat Chaser.' The scene is well acted, and so hot.

http://www.perilousthoughts.com/content/medieval-dungeon/Tension.html

Looks to me more erotic than the table rack and I wonder if it's historically true whether the rack wheel was ever used or is that just Minos' terrific imagination? Any perilous thoughts? Bill K.

cmf wrote:

I just wanted to write and say thank you for the interview with "John Blakemore". It was fascinating as well as revealing. The guy absolutely has his head screwed on right. Would love to see him come back into the industry. The thought of what he could do given today's technology and relaxed set of restrictions is very exciting.

Yeah, thanks. There's no doubt in my mind that Blakemore wants to come back, but he's still gotta lay low because his wife would divorce him if he ever tried it. That's why he wore the mask in the comeback film he made with Backdoor Bondage. But he's got all the know how and the sadistic imagination that I'm sure whatever he came up with would be mean and nasty. And that's what I like. That's what we need more of.

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Renzo Novatore: Excellent breakdown on Cinemagic CMC-083. I don't know if you intended it to be a review, but you gave us enough information that it qualifies. You have to give it a grade for me to add it to our section, so be sure and do that next time you stop by.

You wrote:

Not exactly proud to admit it, but I love seeing women cry in BDSM-type scenes.

Why would you not be proud to admit it? Believable crying by the victim will enhance any dramatic scene. I seem to recall reading here recently where someone said that once the girl started crying, the fun was over for him. Boy, I couldn't disagree more. Maybe I'm a sadist, but that's when it really gets good.

That's something Kink always was afraid to show...they include scenes now with tears, but it's often interrupted by whoever's in charge saying "ARE YOU OKAY TO CONTINUE??" If they weren't OK to continue, wouldn't they have said their safe word? It's an interruption of a dramatic moment in a scene, in my opinion.

Boy, you're preaching to the choir now. I absolutely hate that. I know why they do it, to cover their asses in case anyone decides to prosecute them for obscenity, but it absolutely ruins my fantasy that something is being done to the girl against her will. It's bad enough they have the interviews before and afterward where the girl says, "Oh, I really loved it!" but for them to break the dramatic tension during the shoot is unforgivable. The action is always consensual, we know that. We don't have to reminded of it over and over when they're always checking to see how the woman is liking what's being done to her.

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Darkroom wrote:

Those are my drawings, yes. They are a bit older than my newer works, which are better. I'll be posting those this weekend. More big-titted teases getting their just treatment, Farrel style.

Yeah, I thought I recognized Farrel's influence in those artworks. He's one of the very best when it comes to portraying breast torture in his art. Some of his work was a little over the top for me, but they're always sadistic and I'm a big fan of his stuff. I might run some Farrels at the top of the site.

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Bill K: I'm pretty sure the wheel rack was a real invention. I'm not a medieval torture rack historian (although that would be a great job, wouldn't it?) but I've seen that particular device in several other artworks, so it must have been real.

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A while back, someone brought up a story that had been written about a tied-up woman up that had bullets shot into her breasts, sort of a creative method of target practice. Our own Fritz spoke up and said it sounded like a story he had written back in 1983 when he was younger. Well, he sent it to me and reluctantly has allowed me to add it to our Stories section. He told me everyone here will hate it.

Well, I sure didn't hate it, I thought it was hot stuff, but I will warn you this came from Fritz. This is the same guy who commissions custom movies where women have their nipples burned off into blackened stubs. He's the total opposite of a GIMP Lightweight. And the story is way gory and details scenes of extreme snuff. It is NOT for the faint of heart. But I'll say again, the story turned me on. He's a really good writer.

So if you think you can take it, check out his story "TORTURE DEATH OF A BIG BREASTED BABE" in my Homepage URL. But don't say you weren't warned.

"Why would you not be proud to admit it? Believable crying by the victim will enhance any dramatic scene. I seem to recall reading here recently where someone said that once the girl started crying, the fun was over for him. Boy, I couldn't disagree more. Maybe I'm a sadist, but that's when it really gets good."

Ha, well I can say it here because this place obviously isn't judgmental about it, but if I were with some random people and we happened to be talking about what we liked sexually, I'd probably never say "yeah, I think it's sexy when women cry". People would probably take that the right way! :) Although I'm baffled by anyone who likes BDSM and such but doesn't like tearful sobs from whomever is on the receiving end of the abuse.

I can think of three other scenarios I've seen portrayed that most people here wouldn't like. Or would they? Blinding a woman, pulling out a woman's teeth, skinning a woman alive.

My votes: No, no and absolutely not.

She is straddling him in bed bouncing up and down when he tells her to fuck him harder. She increases her rhythm, but he still wants it harder. He grabs her and starts fucking her harder until she cries out that he's hurting her.

Then he hits her, knocking her to the side, wrestles her onto her knees, roughly fucks her from behind, hits her some more, rolls her over and fucks her on her back as he continues to hit her, then throws her across the room where she breaks the window when her head smashes into it.

She tries to crawl away on her hands and knees when he grabs her hair and jerks her back into the room. Sudden black out to the next scene.

It was difficult getting vidcaps of the scene because the action is so fast and furious that it is almost always blurred, but hopefully these will give you an idea.

This series reminds me a lot of Justified, but not nearly as clever. Very brutal and gritty. Lots of bad people acting badly. A depressing lack of good guys. But there is nudity in every episode so far, and many of the women are extremely hot. This is the first GIMP scene involving a female. Last week the uber bad guy cut the finger off of one of his henchmen who caused big trouble, fed the finger to his dog, told the guy that now the dog had a taste for him and gave him a 30-second head start before he let the dog loose to finish the job. So there's some real potential here.

Hi Ralphus,

I've seen you said you absolutely disagree with someone who said that when a woman starts crying the fun is over for him. I have said something similar, so I feel obliged to explain.

I draw a line between "interrogation by means of torture" and "simple and plain non-consensual BDSM". To me, the difference is "purpose", both on the part of the "inflicter" (who needs to extract information) and on the part of the "victim" (who knew the risks of her activity and is bounded to hold his own). That's what gives meaning to the whole thing. The common "innocent victim abducted by pervert" scenario doesn't seem... appealing to me, that's why I've said that. Now, even the most determined subject of torture can start crying and sobbing out of shock, but that's different.

BTW, the rationale and the techniques involved are also completely different in principle, and that's why most "interrogation" movies look so unrealistic (they are heavily influenced by BDSM).

Just food for thought.

El Wananchi

http://thebase1.blogspot.com/search/label/BURNING%20AT%20THE%20STAKE

The first free download of Last Caress has a pretty real looking and well acted whipping and breast torture scene which Gimpers will like and the second free download is a very good bats scene. This whole "The Base" site looks like there may be more gimpers good stuff in there too other than the bats scene. I don't believe it been posted here before, right? Bill K.

This whole "The Base" site looks like there may be more gimpers good stuff in there too other than the bats scene. I don't believe it been posted here before, right?

For a guy who reads this site regularly, I'm surprised you missed it. Yeah, The Base has been brought up here; they link to us and we link to them. In fact, "Pyramus and Thisbe" from their site have even posted here.

To be honest, I never keep any of their clips. The quality isn't that good and they also brand all of them with their website address, which is kind of obnoxious. I can understand if they owned the movie wanting to protect their property, but these are someone else's films, not theirs. Hank Hobbs never did that on his clips he would release. So If I find something I like off their site, I'll hunt down the DVD and edit my own clip. They do an amazing job of coming up with new movies, though. They remind me of Sindy Sinn's old MovieBound site, but if anything, they come up with new clips even faster than that site. Their library must be huge.

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el wananchi wrote:

The common "innocent victim abducted by pervert" scenario doesn't seem... appealing to me...

BTW, I know Spanish. "El Wananchi" in English means "The Wananchi".

When it comes down to it, I would say "innocent victim abducted by pervert" is probably my favorite scenario. Number one, I prefer the victim to be innocent. And having a madman or a psycho be the perpetrator, or better yet, a perv or sick fuck...I can just appeal to that scenario more. I always put myself in the role of the bad guy in movies like that.

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John Galt: Appreciate the heads up and the clips about the consensual sex turned rape scene on Banshee. Good to hear there's nudity allowed in at least one American made rape scene, because I was beginning to lose hope. Once again, another show I've never even heard of, but then I don't get Cinemax.

Speaking of shows that feature GIMP that I don't watch, I decided to put an end to that. I had been teased so many times by YouTube clips of beautiful women like Ana De Armas being tortured on Hispania that I had to see what else was on that show that I had missed. I made my big investment for the year by paying $60 to get the first 2 seasons on DVD. It's not available in this country; in fact I had to order through the foreign version of Amazon, translated through Google Chrome. Then it's also in the PAL format, but I have a DVD player that can play overseas discs. So anything I like, I can transfer off original source material and make my own high quality comps.

Hispania in now in its 3rd and final season. Ana De Armas left after the first 2 seasons, but if you go their official website, they still have their priorities in order. Check out the picture that greets you on Page 1:

Gotta love it. In fact, if you look at the video clip there, she's actually tied to a stake which is surrounded by wood. That's the only thing that show hasn't done so far, an actual BATS scene. But alas, the chick gets untied before any fire is lit.

BTW, I have to share this comment from one of the female posters at my YouTube channel, complaining about Hispania. Here's what she wrote:

Seriously, is this TV show about more than whipping slaves? It's always the same, all female characters are whipped, raped, tortured and killed. Male entertainment.

Male entertainment, yeah! Whip them bitches!

You are correct that a lot of the Electro-shock database entry for Vampire Prosecutor 2 is, basically, a more grammatically correct version of the description from your blog. It is probably useless to note that the exceptionally short scene descriptions in all the databases are without attribution, which is a circumstance that has never bothered me personally even though I have written more than a few myself. I am having trouble seeing that as "a worse act" than copying movie clips and marking them in much the same way dogs mark their territory, but maybe it is a case of being more affronted when someone steals from you than when you steal from someone else.

In any event, if you want to take your toys and go home, feel free. Your presence was negligible; the GIMP forum is unlikely to feel your absence.

But let's get back to the whole issue of watermarking. My webguy who put together Stakeburner.com originally branded all my screencaps without my consent, and when I saw that, I made him take them all off. Unless you're the creator of the work, and I most certainly was not, I didn't think I had the right to mar the work for everyone else by trying to push my website.

Face it, none of these videos or screen caps belong to either of us. They are someone's else's property. We each have our respective sites for a very nice purpose...to share with others. I think that's honorable. But I also think it's a questionable practice to mark your name or website address on someone else's work, whether you're charging or not. Like John Galt pointed out, if the original copyright holder wanted to know who was uploading his work, such as in the illegally uploaded screener for Django Unchained...a movie that's still in the theaters...well, there's your website address plastered right on it. Not a chance I would be taking.

I've spent countless hours making vidcaps for the various databases, but I also acknowledge that they don't belong to me. Anyone can have the caps; they are for everyone's enjoyment. I don't put my site name on them because that would be...well, it would be obnoxious...because I don't own the rights to them. Moralistically, I don't think it's right. Ask yourself if you share with others strictly for the joy of sharing with others, or is it to advertise your site? Would people rather have a clip with or without someone else's website address written across it? I think the answer to the second question is rather obvious. As for the first...that's up to you how you handle things. We just have a different philosophy.

Lastly, sorry if you feel I'm "dogging" you after you gave our site a shout-out. The shout-out was appreciated, and if you noticed I also acknowledged you back. I'm a fan of your site; that's why we link to you. You're providing a great service for many people out there. If you feel I've somehow lost my "cool guy" status by stating my honest opinion that you don't agree with, well, so be it. But I'm no different today than I was yesterday.

Seriously. I have no idea why, and I don't appreciate their insinuation that it was the result of any kind of threat from me or anyone connected with my site. At NO point did I ask or demand that they remove the videos from their site. I just want to make that clear. All I did was state my opinion here. I've had no contact with them whatsoever.

This was all done on their side. So in answer to their poll question "Who do we blame lol for making the clips disappear?" the answer is "Themselves!"

I attempted to post on their blog but they've now made it so that they get to "approve" messages before they appear, so they likely won't allow it. Meanwhile, I'm just flabbergasted. It takes all kinds...

These people are seriously overreacting. They kind of give a bad name to fetishists of all stripes. Extremely immature. Celebrating their own grammatical lack of expertise as though it is a badge of honor. Sounds like they suddenly realized that they have been (potentially) identifying their own piracy of movie clips and used two GIMP posts as an excuse to stop. Nothing in either post could be perceived as a threat, and besides who would listen? Lawmakers are too busy making it illegal to root cell phones.

Or maybe they are just trying to gin up controversy as a way of promoting their site. It works for FOX News.

Anyway, as to whether you should feel guilty about sharing pictures and clips, my personal opinion is that you shouldn't lose any sleep over it. I posted some BATS images from an episode of True Blood a year or so back. (Search the GIMP if you're interested.) You're welcome to share those to your heart's content. Just don't tell HBO you got them from me.

On a side note, Ralphus, I do appreciate your dedication to this blog. It's been going for years now and I've nearly always (aside from the recent shooting women poll) have enjoyed the commentary and feedback :).

It's tough enough for a beer-swiller like me to read such poorly written content. I can't imagine what Eda would think.

My excuse, if you want one, is that I have been in self-employed mode; that means I have a sick fuck for a boss. 'Nuff said.

Secondly - and this is something that can't be said often enough - this forum is exemplary in many ways: in its visual and informational organization; the sheer quantity and quality of the material available; and the intelligence and knowledge of its posters. Oh sure, on rare occasions we get some posters who are OCD, self-absorbed and/or certifiably insane, but not often enough to be a distraction. And do I need to mention that the grammar here is gooder than that found on other sites? ;) <- NB: Emoticon for *just kidding*.

(Disclaimer: I have not received any monetary compensation for my endorsement of this site, nor do I have any vested interest in the scandalous profits that it rakes in).

My point is, other forum organizers and bloggers can learn a lot from the way this site is assembled, managed and quality-controlled.

I'm ashamed to admit that somehow, this site called "The Base" slipped through one of the many cracks in my brain and until now I never visited it. Too bad, because it looks like it could be an interesting and even fun place to browse, except now there's a lot of drama going on. I just checked and they are running some kind of poll about what their members think should be done about this awful situation that they find themselves in.

I'm guessing that they will probably put everything back together without watermarks just because they know its likely to be a better way of doing things.

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Wmb: Thanks for the link to the site about medieval torture devices.

The material includes this article about a device reserved especially for females. I must say, however, that I don't like to see any GIMPage that mars or damages the damsel's face or breasts. Those are the parts I look at most, and despite my previous vote on the poll, I would rather see a girl shot than watch this thing being used.

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John Galt: Thanks for the heads-up about Justified, another TV show I've never seen (or heard of, for that matter). Nice to see that TV is picking up on abduction and bondage themes, even if the clothes stay on.

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Regarding the comment about Hispania: Seriously, is this TV show about more than whipping slaves? It's always the same, all female characters are whipped, raped, tortured and killed. Male entertainment.

So what's wrong with "male entertainment"? Are males not entitled to some entertainment now and then? Something historical and cultural, like this show? Must we be constrained to watching football and WWE? I'm guessing there are some females who enjoy this kind of entertainment too; like some of those who post here.

That scenario ("innocent abducted by pervert") has undoubtedly given birth to many good movies, even mainstream ones.

As you may guess, mine would be something like "undercover agent caught by the enemy". It is my impression that it has another kind of potential, but it is a personal thing. Most followers I guess think otherwise.

And yes, my native language is Spanish, to the point that I hardly keep track of my signing as "The..." or "El..."; no second intentions on that!

El Wananchi

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Hate to pile on with The Base controversy, but...

Ralphus wrote:

They do an amazing job of coming up with new movies, though. They remind me of Sindy Sinn's old MovieBound site, but if anything, they come up with new clips even faster than that site. Their library must be huge.

More's the pity. A treasure like that should be available for all to see and enjoy. But this morning, they posted this:

Did we over react? well put yourselves in our shoes with all the shit on the net lately, hum a tune and you might find yourself in a battle over copyright infringement when someone starts mouthing "oh, i wouldn't put my watermark on that, your going to get sued" well its hard to continue.

Followed immediately by a harangue against our moderator. WTF?

Does this suggest that the possibility of copyright infringement never occurred to them? That they are suddenly so concerned about being sued, they are "disheartened" and ready to pull the curtain on the whole show? That they are afraid of anyone mentioning their site because it might attract more attention than they want? None of this makes sense.

I think there are other issues, like maybe they are just burned out and looking for an exit strategy. Or maybe there are no issues at all, and they are just using the drama to re-energize their membership.

In any case, my biggest problem with the site is that when I clicked on "older posts" I got a pop-up ad for an on-line dating service that refused to disappear.

I'm actually very curious about the site, but the GIMP is a lot friendlier.

And, it's been around for XIII years (and counting).

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Many of us can be grateful that we do not live in a society where a girl showing skin can be punished by deportation or death.

Well, out of morbid curiosity I headed down to The Base to see what was going on. What I read was especially sad. They continue to trash me and the rest of our readers, continually blaming us (well, me especially) for the fact they took their clips off the site. It's pathetic, really. They claim "we got our way" to "bring them down", whatever that means. And I'll say it again, no one from our side "brought them down" or forced them to take their clips off their site. I posted that their practice of watermarking their clips was "kind of obnoxious", and I stand by my opinion. Everything else that has happened on that site was them overreacting and using me as an excuse, a handy scapegoat.

They wrote in their statement from this morning, "The simple thing was we linked up to the wrong place and learned by our mistake the hard way." No, all that happened is they finally came to their senses and realized by watermarking their clips they were setting themselves up for possibly getting caught for copyright infringement (like anyone cares, but oh well). You would think they might have thought of that months ago when they first started doing it, wouldn't you?

And naturally, they never allowed my post from yesterday to reach the public, making it much more easier for them to castigate a villain who's not allowed to defend himself. What kind of blog censors opinions that don't agree with them and then only allows viewpoints that cast them in a positive light? That's the epitome of cowardice.

So they can huddle back in their little corner of the Internet and continue to throw stones at what they perceive as The Enemy, or if they have any balls, they can come back to our forum and post here and maybe we can have an intelligent discussion over this matter. Unlike The Base, where they refuse to allow me to post, they are still welcome here.

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In other news, I read that there is a French television show in the works for Barbarella. The French television show based on The Transporter movie series is very entertaining, with enough action and nudity to hold my attention. Given the sex, nudity, bondage and GIMP of the 60's Roger Vadim movie, Barbarella, which was also evident in the comic series, I am hoping that maybe the new television show might include some good GIMPish stuff. I still love watching Duran Duran torture Barbarella with the "Excessive Machine." Some scenes just never get old.

Although the site does seem to be gone, some intotheattic.com stuff is still available at clips4sale.com. The primary store is "Amateurs in Bondage," which hasn't been updated in a while.

JR's unique style will be missed. I think he introduced BDSM superstar Elise Graves to the world.

I don't think that English is the first language of the site's writer, and his English is much better than any second language in which I might try to write. So I won't criticize his English grammar.

Personally, they remind me of the crocs in Pearls Before Swine :)

As always, all comments and criticism are appreciated, expressed either in the forum or to me personally at the email address listed above. And I will respond to all comments sent to me personally.

As a native speaker of the 'Queen's English', I take the gravest exception to the assertion that, in the texts of P & Th., the 'glaring lack of spelling and grammar' indicates that they originate from England. (I assume that you mean incorrect spelling; all the words are spelled).

The spelling of favour may be a better clue, but may only indicate that they were taught English English.

I should say that I come from a linguistic culture in which it is suggested that an English wo/man only has to open their mouth to cause another English wo/man to despise them, a comment on both accent and linguistic competence.

English has acquired the status of a/the 'universal' language. If one desires the widest audience on the 'World Wide Web' one needs to address the largest linguistic group.

The primary purpose of language is communication. If errors of grammar and syntax obscure the meaning then, obviously, there are problems. However, it can hardly be argued that this is the case with P. & Th..

It is also relevant to point out that others who post at this site do not have perfect written English but, properly, they are not vilified. All should be commended, particularly those for whom English is not their first language, for the trouble that they take.

We also have in Britain a saying about pots calling kettles black. In one of your posts, Ralphus, you write 'more' in front of a word that is already in the comparative form.

I do not express any view about the substantive issues with 'The Base'.

Happy non-linguistically encumbered GIMPery, folks!

PS. How can you be so mean to an individual/couple who take the names of the characters of such a moving and tragic myth?

PPS. I wish to assert emphatically that any errors in the above text are solely the result of my poor keyboard skills!

Thank you for this story, it was awesome. You always write well, but since I put myself in the female role, I never felt quite comfortable after reading one before. But this is my cup of tea.

My heart was actually racing at one point and I feel sexually charged now. I think like Lisa, but physically I'm more of a Kammi. lol.

After the first time we "played" outside, I learned to be totally covered in insect repellent on subsequent adventures. Obviously, Lisa and Kammi won't make that mistake again.

And when the gun went in, I thought, Oh no Eda! Not again! But that was great. Now those four guys deserve a reward for a game well played ;)

Sorry guys, but I'm gushing and probably rambling. I hope you enjoy this story as much as I did. I can't wait to hear what the guys think.

Personally, although spelling and grammatical errors are sometimes annoying, as long as I can interpret the meaning I tend to take it in stride. My own grammar is nowhere near perfect, but I strive to get it right. I also enjoy exercising my vocabulary, because English is a wonderfully dynamic language. I know I might come across as pretentious, but actually I am just trying to keep things lively. It is a stylistic choice.

A lackadaisical attitude toward capitalization and punctuation, coupled with run-on sentences and stream-of-consciousness writing also might be a stylistic choice. However, in most cases I have encountered, they combine to obscure meaning, if not render it wholly unintelligible. Toss in bad spelling and poor grammar on top and effective communication takes a nosedive. That is generally what bothers me: The lack of effective communication. If someone is going to harangue me, I would like to know specifically what the argument is about.

I can usually tell if someone is trying to communicate using English as a second language, and I give them credit for at least trying. Latin and Spanish are the only two other languages I ever studied, and I shudder to think what it would look like if I were to write in either of them. I enthusiastically encourage everyone to post to the forum, and while I might occasionally have snarkily pointed out spelling or grammar errors in the past, I do not sit in judgement of others' writing abilities. I would just like to understand what is being said. Fortunately, communicating GIMP concepts and situations is fairly straightforward.

And I prefer the acronym AOH to LOL any day.

This was not exactly unwarranted. How about them vilifying me and our site by telling their readers we're threatening them and trying to bring them down? Yeah, let's just make stuff up and try to give them a bad reputation. Let everybody think the reason we took down our clips was because of mean old Ralphus and his site.

Then how about calling me and our readers stupid? And how about taking my own words out of context and implying I said the same thing about their readers?

If there was even an inkling of truth to the crap they've spewed the past few days, I would say it wouldn't be fair to go after them for their bastardization of the English language.

Tell you what. If they apologize for all their lies, I'll apologize for this. Fair enough?

And as for the pot calling the kettle black, I say THIS.

They claim here that they started watermarking the clips because "it takes a long time to find, cut and edit the clips only then to have them taken by someone else to fill out their own database".

I know the author of a large number of their clips. His work is freely available from its original source, is quite distinctive, and easily recognisable. And their logo, which caused such consternation, is designed and carefully positioned to obliterate his own watermark.

The term obnoxious has already been mentioned. My feeling is that it's not so much about the legal question of copyright infringement, just the despicable action of plain and simple plagiarism of a fellow member of our community.

Your visualisation of 'pot calling kettle' was splendid! How did you do it?

I wish to propose you for honorary Brit status; by virtue of your sense of humour. I can, of course, think of no higher accolade!

However! I think that you diminish your argument about 'The Base' by mocking them (however justified your criticisms may be) for their, rather trivial, infelicities in the use of English.

But all of this is as nothing compared to your commitment and efforts in fostering this site.

Long may you flourish!

More relevantly, given your comments about intelligibility, were you at any time unsure of what P. & Th. intended to convey?

Keep smiling!

I hope you enjoy this story as much as I did. I can't wait to hear what he guys think.

Well, I also enjoyed it. It was clever, held my interest and kept me guessing 'til the end. And, of course, it was well-written.

But had it been me, I would not have flipped a coin to choose between Kammi and Lisa. Both look hot to me, each in her own way.

The Watermarking: I can see both sides here. In P&T's defence, if they created the clips and caps and went to the effort of putting up the site as well as dedicating storage for a large collection of material, they did put considerable effort into this enterprise without monetary remuneration, and so they deserve at least some recognition. On the other hand, if they did not create the clips, well that's a different matter altogether. And yes, the watermarks are annoying, so P&T should be ready to take some complaints from their fans. Something Weird watermarked their (mostly public domain) titles for years and endured all kinds of abuse before backing down. But they didn't close up shop in a snit. And although Hank didn't mark his clips, he did put his name on the accompanying frame grabs - so it's rare to find folks who work under complete anonymity.

Copyright: The watermarks just credit the source of the clips. I doubt anyone is so naïve to think that The Base is claiming rights to the entire films or even portions of them. Technically though, sharing copyrighted material (even clips or frame grabs) without the owner's consent is illegal - regardless of whether or not there's a watermark on it. That said, individuals like P&T, who are not profiting from clip sharing, appear to be tolerated. And as that works to the advantage of the GIMP community, why is this even an issue here?

The Base's Reaction: Childish.

Knocking the Site's Grammar: Not much better. And unless one is a champion speller and can recite Strunk and White verbatim, one ultimately will be hoisted by one's own petard. (Sorry Ralphus).

Queen's English: What the hell, let's see if we can spin one more irrelevant fracas from the original uproar. Most of the English speakers (writers?) on the planet (not just on that tiny island) see things in colour not color. It just seems the other way around because Americans apparently have so much to say (DARFC :-).

If I could pick just one snippet from the 1960s movie version to view, it would be the very one shown in your GIF. Jane Fonda was so hot in that scene - morphing from slightly amused to sweaty and helpless. Too bad she didn't show more of her luscious body in that scene.

And by the way, does anyone know if it is possible to view TV shows from other countries (outside the US I mean)? Some US networks show streaming versions of past TV episodes after about a week or two, so you can catch up on what you've missed (CW is one example).

But let me state for the record that I make no apologies for mocking the errors on The Base.

I'm no Grammar Nazi. We all make mistakes and I don't normally see a need to make an issue of it.

However, The Base is atrocious. We're not just talking about a few dangling participles or mixed metaphors. We're talking about a site that is unreadable.

I actually find it quite funny that we're thinking the person who writes that stuff may not speak English as a first language.