1st: Danielle's breasts are not "pendulous"...they look as if they defy gravity so I will explain as best I can.

In January, 2000 we went to Denmark for her to have the augmentation procedures done because her new breasts were a gift from a source where the cost didn't need to be considered. Copenhagen is home to the very best cosmetic surgeons using state of the art procedures.

When a beautiful woman as obsessed with "Cock-Teasing" to entice otherwise sane young men into committing virtual rape as Danielle is...wants to have "EE" breasts...it is not as simple as just getting implants the way most people think.

1st: The biggest difference is that the large (and thicker than "normal" implants are inserted between the rib-cage and the musculature rather than under the breast itself.

2nd: A kind of "demi-bra" made of a surgical mesh is formed to "cup" the lower half of each breast is inserted far enough beneath the breasts surface as to be undetectable. This "half-bra" cups and supports Danielle's breasts...(much as your hands would if you reached around her to "cup" or "lift" her huge tits with your hands)...as the mesh is attached to a rib at each lower corner and "strings" from each upper corner come together above the top of each "sphere" where they form a single "strand" that runs up to and is attached to her collar bone on each side. It can't be seen or felt but this support prevents virtually any "sag" whatsoever. The bulk of her breasts were augmented with "firm green fat" from a "Fatty-Tissue-Bank"...(as the body does NOT tend to "reject" it as it does complex organs.) All it needs is a good blood supply and when injected into her already quite large mammary glands and fatty tissue...you get a EE size breast that looks and feels normal except it is nicely firm...but not too firm.

Instead of looking like two big balls floating around on her chest or making her breasts look "glued-on" and almost hard to the touch...Danielle's double-E's look perfectly natural...just HUGE. They are very firm but delightfully "squeezable" and so sensitive she gasps, whimpers or sometimes even screams from the pain when they are really man-handled...slapped or viciously squeezed.

I have learned that the "penetration" of a woman's precious big tits...or her pussy...by any object that will PENETRATE flesh is psychologically nothing more nor less than a "phallic" symbol or substitute "cock" penetrating her body. This "psychological" (and symbolic) "rape" of her breasts and-or pussy has as much OR MORE impact on how she reacts to the torture as the torture itself.

Gorgeous..."far-too-hot" women like Danielle who get their breasts made so big and perfect do so to taunt, tease and drive teenage guys and young men to the point their reason, logic and any caution vanishes under their irresistible desire to "Rape-that-fucking-Bitch" (and once she is helpless...to torture her sexually for having such an incredible body in the first place!) The real beauty of it is...Danielle's breasts can be skewered all the way through with (beveled, "cutting-tip") needles without having to show any concern for puncturing an implant and there isn't a girl in the world with breasts that big who isn't utterly shocked and terrified that a man (or group of them)...would actually DO SUCH A CRUEL THING to her! It is barbaric and almost evil...and it HURTS...it hurts something awful and wiggling..."thumping" or working the needles back and forth makes Danielle nearly insane BECAUSE it is so "inhuman" and "unthinkable".

Given that her tits are so wonderfully firm and huge nothing more than a slip-knot at the end of a small rope (like clothes-line rope)...is needed to bind her breasts around the base. I just one over each breast (with a small ring connecting them between her tits)...and tighten them until her breasts become almost spherical. All it takes to make her eyes bulge (as she pleads, cries, sobs, whimpers or screams from the pain)...to make her breasts swell and distend is an additional 2 or 3 turns of rope wrapped around and around...each turn being tighter than the last.

However, Danielle's breasts are perfectly suited for flexible steel bands...(like giant versions of radiator-hose-clamps)...to be tightened around the base...or leather straps...as these things produce the same gorgeous big "spheres" when tightened. It is must my personal preference but I do not like the constrictive bands to be so tight that her breasts turn deep red or purple. When they are just a deeper tone of "reddish" that's more than enough because they ache and throb painfully yet they stay SENSITIVE...(and purple breasts are NUMB)...so she goes nearly mad with pain when lit cigarettes are touched to her nipples...her "PRECIOUS" big breasts are whipped, squeezed sadistically or S-K-E-W-E-R-E-D!

It is also quite easy to attach a hoist to the bonds between her breasts and you got-it...let her hang by her breasts to be tormented in a hundred different ways.

I apologize in advance for the terrible quality of any photo Ralphus may use of Danielle to illustrate what I am talking about as the best I can do is photograph an enlarged photocopy of a print with my not-state-of-the-art digital camera...and then e-mail him the result.

Before I shut up...if there is anybody out there who has experience with the real strangulation of some pretty young Slut who deserved it...PLEASE POST your experience and this goes for anybody who (like me)...who loves skewering huge FIRM breasts. Talk to us Dude...there is always something new to be learned about how to make our cocks as hard as Chinese-Algebra!

Ya-all take care now...don't get killed or caught!

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Blakemore: Sorry, I'm not sure which picture you wanted me to post for you, and since this is a real person, I'd rather not take a chance on posting something that may give her away. BTW, I can tell you guys for sure that Blakemore is not exaggerating one iota about the size of his wife's breasts. He's sent me many stills of her and they are ginormous...just eye-catchingly huge, and yet she has a slim body, sort of like a Barbie doll if Barbie had chest implants. Simply put, she is a knockout.

You might be thinking of Cinemagic's CMC-082, which won the Ralphus Award last year for Best Torture Scene of the Year.

I'm sure that's it. I've seen a number of the JAV films reviewed here and I can't think of any other titles that meet the description.

Now, if we were talking about vibrators, rather than electric torture, that would be a different story.

http://video.xnxx.com/video483700/pandora_peaks_-_sexy_dancer

I don't know if those are her real breasts or enhanced but she is most sexy erotic dancer with Melon breasts I have ever seen. This is torture for us gimpers because I am pretty sure she not into bondage and gimp action scene.

Such a :( shame too because to think of how Mr. Blakemore or any Gimp film producers would bind and torture those beauiful large breasts makes me horny as hell, which what do you Gimpers think or know of her are those melons natural or not? Bill K.

I guess the electro scene from cinemagic's CMC-082 is good, but it also had an excellent AOH whipping scene with the other actress who has some ridiculously awesome nipples.

Her name is Yu Kawakami. I don't know too much about her but I do know she's not afraid to put on a dog leash (front left):

I'm with YikYakker -- I'm thinking I may have to check out CMC-082, as well.

http://www.stakedamsels.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7685&mode=view

The information I had on her was a 1997 Playboy article, so a little out of date and now I believe she retired. Sorry about that. Bill K.

I love today's pic with the parrot. I'm sure the young lady will be the centre of attention for some time with her being tied and ready for her punishment. There's a thousand things I could think of to do to her.

I saw a post here of the T-Mobile girl as a fantasy candidate for the treatment. I would also like to suggest the Magnum Ice Cream girl - wow, what a hottie!

I have just completed a major update and upgrade to zfx-shockwavevideo.com and zfxvideo.com. The site is still under construction, but there are about 10,000 captures to look at from various ZFX and Shockwave movies and a performers area with even more captures. It's also FREE! Check back often, there will be a lot of new stuff going in. Link is in my signature.

I'm also pleased to tell you you can now download previously unavailable content once again. Check the zfxvideo.com main page for the links. I will be adding to this relentlessly until I have my whole catalog back online.

As far as the poll, I would have to vote for Lisa Kinkaid, if I'm picking a bondage performer. Of course I'm biased, but she has a nice body of work.

From the mainstream world, I would have to put in a vote for Jody Foster. Her gang rape in The Accused was both disturbing and erotic.

That's it for now...

Rick

She make a great spy for if caught then nothing the bad guys could do to her that would get her to talk for sure. That is one pretty tough sexy lady. Bill K.

An information update, that maybe has already been posted here, but Matt Williams has left Kink, Hogtied and is joining up with PD in New York. Claire Adams is now running Hogtied, she is really excellent at what she does, but women dom's are not my particular cup of tea. It will be interesting to see what Matt does with PD - although I have not been particularly interested in the Hardtied website. I enjoyed Insex back in the day, but Hardtied's models tend to run a little to extreme for my personal taste - I still prefer the "girl next door" look. Albeit, the glamorous girl next door. Anyway, Margot and Blakemore's posts are always a treat.

The upgrades to the website look great. I was looking at the stills from various ZFX films and I'm reminded that I still need to cap my review of Squealer at some point.

I'll be interested (I think) to see what the ZFX Fan section looks like.

In case you haven't caught it, Victoria Vixxen's page is broken. And what's up with Forced Entry? It's like you deliberately X'd out the title and left only the F and the E, even on the screen cap. I have the DVD and it's not like that on the original release.

Is it because "Forced Entry" was the name of the movie that got Extreme Associates busted several years ago and you don't want to be mistakenly associated with them? If so, that seems awfully curious, since there's also the Harry Reems 1974 porno and at least one mainstream film with the very same name. It's obviously a common title. Even if someone did confuse your film for the Extreme Associates one, it's clear they are 2 different movies.

Like Canadian, I'm also curious about the upcoming ZFX Fan section. A fan section? I'd be willing to bet that we have around 1400 ZFX fans who visit this forum every day, even if most of them don't post. The lack of feedback we've gotten here so far on your updated site is embarrassing.

Guys, we're a discussion site. I can't believe none of you can think of anything to say, even after getting 10,000 brand new ZFX scans. The apathy around here is just sad.

Of all the fantastic ZFX scenes, there's one in the "Misadventures of Lois Payne" that remains on my all-time favorites. She's bent back over a work bench in a tool shop, her big wobblers tied off, and you're smartly threatening her with electric shocks from battery cables.

She's one of my favorite bondage stars. Not the prettiest off all time, but her big naturals bounce nicely and you put her through the ringer in a number of films...

Ralphus... I've been thinking... You've posted so many awesome photos over the years. Would it take up too much space to begin an archive of daily photos?

Reine Margot - Wonderful posts, thank you. Less per post, more per post or keep it the same, I don't care. Please just keep them coming.

Ralphus - What's the latest regarding rape and/or hot iron databases? Is this something that another Gimper could take responsibility for?

I am relatively new to BOTG and forums generally, but amazed to read that 1400 ZFX fans visit every day. How many Gimpers visit the forum over a week/month /year? How come so few post?

I have found the Blakemore postings fascinating, even though much of his material does not appeal to me.

Speaking of what appeals, recently people posted some of their likes and dislikes. It has been thought provoking to learn a little more about the interests, developments and refinements of you Gimpers. For what it's worth, here are some of my likes and dislikes. Do anyone else's match mine?

Alphabetical, not in order of preference.

Things I like:
AOH
Arms tied behind back
Beautiful women
Birching
Bound women
Branding
Caning
Chains
Cigarette burns
Crying
Drawings
Dungeons
Electric shock torture
Fiction/stories
Films/Videos
Flogging
Forced stripping
Hand/leg cuffs
Interrogation
Judicial punishments
Military/Naval punishments
Non-consensual
Photo manipulations
Photos
POW
Pubic hair
Rape
Realism
Riding the horse
Ropes
Screaming
Shaved
Torture
Whipping

Things I can take or leave:
BATS
Dildos
Execution
Forced orgasms
Gags
Hanging
Pissing
Underarm hair

Things I dislike:
Asphyxiation
Ball gags
Cannibalism
Consensual
Disembowelment
Fat/unattractive women
Gore
Impaling
Male victims
Real life abuse
Scat
Schoolgirls
Sloppy bondage
Smacking
Smiling victims
Soft torture
Taping
Tattoos
Tickling
Trimmed/shaped pubic hair
Unrealistic whip marks

Dood

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Darkroom: Others have asked about me about archiving the daily pics, too. It could be done, but the whole reason why I change the picture every 24 hours is to encourage people to stop by every day and visit. It's a gimmick of sorts to keep them coming back, but it seems to work because our hits stay pretty consistent. And for people that miss out, we often have people that post about the daily pics and link it as part of their comments. So many are still there and part of our archives.

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Dood: Regarding the Hot Iron Database, Thawkinsworth volunteered to help me, but after a couple of e-mails, he disappeared and I haven't heard back. I'll welcome help from ANYONE who wants to help me. My e-mail is always on the site.

You asked about hits to the forum. Yesterday we had 1525 hits. In the month of May we had 41,386 hits, an average of 1335 per day. We had a stretch earlier this month when our hits were lower but they've come charging back in the past 2 weeks. We're averaging 1424 hits a day for the first 5 months of this year, on our way to our highest amount of hits ever in the 13 years of this site.

So how come so few post? That's the $64,000 question. Apathy. Laziness. Complacency. We have a great bunch of readers here who should post here more but they just don't. We have to rely on just a few regulars to carry the load. Everyone else thinks it's someone else's job, I guess.

Brian's Page gets a ton more posters than we do. They don't have our problem, and yet I think our site is a lot more interesting. Or I'd like to think so, anyway.

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John Galt: Thanks for linking us with the Mr. Skin blog. I think I forgot to thank you for the previous link you posted on May 21 but both were very interesting. Those guys are on a great quest in devoting their time and money into restoring those old adult films. I've lamented in the past that very few people seem to care about saving pornos because they must feel it's a disposal medium and they can always just make more. Except some of those movies were really good or at least had good scenes that will be lost to further generations unless they take some time to preserve a copy.

Something Weird Video is another company that tracks down, saves and re-releases old exploitation films and other obscure titles. Without them, we'd never be able to see The Pick-Up, for instance, one of my favorite films that contains an incredible electric-shock torture scene. They own the only existing copy in the world.

A lot of these films are only available in faded, grainy, multi-generational dupes or otherwise edited versions. Barbara Broadcast, which you mentioned, has been on DVD for years but all the hardcore inserts in the bondage rape scene with the beautiful Constance Money have been removed. I've never seen the complete movie. Maybe these guys will eventually restore it to its original form.

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Speaking of film preservation, although not nearly on the same level of importance, if you guys are curious about MY filmmaking background, I've uploaded my first 2 student films to YouTube. Both have bondage in them so that makes them technically on-topic here. They've gotten no thumbs up or down and absolutely no comments whatsover, so if you like them or can't stand them, ANYTHING, please comment on their YouTube page, or else leave feedback here. It would be nice to hear what people think.

A Super 8 Classic: Dusty the Wonder Dog

A Super 8 Classic: Kidnap!

She does not have any choice...but I understand what you mean and that opens the door to a complex issue that has to do with the hormonal-endocrine-systems and brain-chemistry of women like Danielle.

To start with, it took several years and a very good female psychiatrist's help for Danielle to actual remember things she did to herself when she was very young...things like sticking pins into her pubic mound, her pussy and even her clit because the pain enhanced her orgasms like nothing else could.

She was extremely lucky that she didn't accidentally kill herself because once she discovered the rush of orgasm she got from strangulation she did it so much she became almost addicted to getting-off by sticking pins through her nipples...into her breasts...pussy and clit and then hanging herself to make her orgasms pure ecstasy.

What she actually wanted and needed was so unthinkable and forbidden, by the time she was thirteen things happened to virtually crush her libido into non-existence.

She wasn't just beautiful, she had a pair of big firm " D-cup" breasts...the body of an expensive prostitute and the sexual desires of a Goddamn nymphomaniac obsessed with desires to be abducted...sexually tortured and raped that she did not understand.

The entirety of all the things influencing her life combined to try do drive her far to obvious sexuality and eroticism out of her but the instinct for self-survival is so strong that instead driving "the Devil" out of her, the helpless young girl's mind simply drove who and what she was so deep within her subconscious she actually had no memory of what she'd done to herself and experienced being done to her by men she did not know. It all became as though none of it ever happened.

Then she met me.

Although I was far too smitten by her overwhelming "aura" of intense sexuality when we met and utterly confused as to why in the hell she was so overweight...she said something the night of our first date that would have told me volumes (if I had only "HEARD" what she was unconsciously telling me!)

I'd told he about my "Bondage Photography" business and as she was looking at a picture in an H.O.M. magazine of my model suspended spread-eagled with a cunt-cutting rope painfully pulling her hips forward ...she said, "this girl isn't doing this for money because this is real honest-to-God TORTURE. She's doing it because she LIKES IT. Gawwwd, it's a good thing I don't have a body like that because if I did I'd be the world's biggest slut!"

So...the "rest of the story" is...Danielle is actually more terrified of being forcibly abducted to be tortured and savagely raped than any "normal" girl or young woman because SHE KNOWS that men desperately WANT TO SEE A WOMAN LIKE HER...WITH HER BODY...being really tortured before or while they rape her. Yet at the same time, she just can't resist putting herself into potentially dangerous, even life-threatening situations after blatantly cock-teasing some young man (or group of them...especially guys in their late teens because they will cum so many times before they are "drained" and exhausted)...EVEN THOUGH SHE KNOWS SHE IS JUST ASKING FOR IT.

She's scared to death of that happening because she knows the helplessness of being in a state of "Cognitive Dissonance" where although she's being tortured beyond her ability to know anything but pain...at the same time it is THAT VERY PAIN that forces her body (mind)...into a state of sexual euphoria that often leaves her UNCONSCIOUS.

Sometimes Danielle DOES just pass-out but more often than not she only wishes she would just to stop the "awfulness" and utter humiliation of having orgasms because her breasts...her pussy or whatever are being hurt so bad she screaming in agony.

Thankfully there are individuals in this world whose privacy and confidences I must keep...who make it possible for Danielle's "unthinkable fears" to become reality...and I GET TO TORTURE THAT GORGEOUS BITCH like some super hot slut I don't even know and that is an exquisite thing for me.

As for photographs...many that I have came from the cell-phone camera of one of her torturers and rapists that she couldn't prevent. Others were made with her knowledge but I assure you she would certainly divorce me if she knew ALL OF YOU have seen them because she is extremely secretive (with good cause) and private...but dammit, she's just too fucking hot to keep hidden.

I'm out of time but please ask what you want and I will try to answer anything. Oh...there are incredible videos (from as many as 5 cameras) of Danielle being abducted when she did not know it was coming...then of her being tortured and raped but these are not made by me as I am simply the "unknown Malefactor" hurting her (or some other gorgeous Bitch like her that I've agreed to "do") and although I'd give anything to have a few, confidentiality and binding agreements make that impossible. But what the hell...I still get to do things to girls that are almost unbelievable without any fear of repercussions so I can not complain.

Later friends.

So how come so few post? That's the $64,000 question. Apathy. Laziness. Complacency....

Nah. If those were the reasons, I would never post anything.

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I'm assuming the poll has pretty much run its course and we are agreed on the winner?

I found them very entertaining. Seriously, I mean it. I thought the choices of music were appropriate (much better than that Italian lounge music I'm accustomed to hearing when I watch Eurosleaze from the seventies).

And as parsimonious students, you made the best use of the resources you had, which yielded crisp (although technically humble) products. There was an underlying, wicked sense of humor behind it all too.

Only thing I didn't see was a little guy with a beard and Afro. Must've been behind the camera.

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Dood: Well I must say, your list is similar to mine in most respects, and very comprehensive.

I would just add two items: clothes-ripping (like) and tied-up purple tits (dislike).

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I don't have $64,000 but I suspect that the reasons lurkers don't come forward are many, each with his or her own causes for being reluctant.

As a former long-time lurker myself, I had been content to play around in the databases and leave the discussions to folks who seemed to be able to contribute a lot more than I could. Maybe it was some small remnant of Catholic upbringing that made me feel guilty and unworthy and prompted me to essentially throw myself on the mercy of the board. But the board was kind and welcoming.

Even if one does not have time for a long post, a quick note will do. Have you seen a good YouTube video with a nice bondage element? Let us know where to find it.

Have you checked out something on the site that you liked? Tell us about it. Chances are it's also new to someone else out there.

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Rick: Finally had a chance to check out the revamped site.

I really like the alphabetical listing of movies with small preview caps. It's a perfect companion to the GIMP movie review database. One can compare the review list to the movie list and see which ones have write-ups. One can find movies with favorable reviews and look them up on your site. Sublime simplicity.

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A Canadian: I've been fortunate enough to see Lisa Kinkaid in 3 ZFX films, two Ms. Ballistas and one South of the Border. I enjoyed her spirited performances and hope to see more of them.

It would be nice to have a special Lisa Kinkaid "shrine" page on this site. Maybe that would be a good project for someone other than an Afro-haired dwarf.

Dood: Well I must say, your list is similar to mine in most respects, and very comprehensive. I would just add two items: clothes-ripping (like) and tied-up purple tits (dislike).

Thanks for the communication YikYakker. Me too in both the cases you offer.

I will add that I also like forced walking/marching e.g. slaves to auction, captured resistance fighters to interrogation, humiliating walk through the streets before a public flogging etc.

And I don't like needles and skewers

Dood

First, thanks for all the great comments.

Ralphus wrote: And what's up with Forced Entry? It's like you deliberately X'd out the title and left only the F and the E, even on the screen cap. I have the DVD and it's not like that on the original release.

The titles have been changed on a few movies. I really can't get into the whys and where for's, let's euphemistically call it a marketing issue. Certain words cannot appear. Yes it's silly, but I have to do it. The movies are unaltered (except for the title). This is for the online version only.

I saw your student films BTW, it was pretty cool, thanks for sharing that! The beginning of Kidnap reminded me of a film called The Intruder. Left some comments and a thumbs up! You are totally demented. Glad the doggie was ok;-). Thanks for the kind comments about my whipping.

A Canadian wrote: I'm curious about the upcoming ZFX Fan section.

I plan to put additional areas in it for a Lisa Kinkaid, Chandra Sweet, Penelope Pace and probably some other long term performers and maybe some behind the scenes stuff. It should hold some goodies.

Bill K wrote: I checked out ZFX new site and it's easy to navigate through and has many clear pictures examples of each of their movies making it easy to find the kind of gimp movies you are looking for. But I am into bats and fiery peril and dungeon witch torture scenes like that in Maleficarum and I don't see any of that sort of movies there. Does ZFX have any interest in creating those kind of movie in the future? Bill K.

Thanks for the comments. I have done some burning scenes with irons, curling irons, cigarettes, cigars, hot screw drivers but no BATS or actual immolation. None of the burning is real, it's done in a movie style. Some of the movies include The Incubus, Seed, South of the Border 3 and 6, Goon Squad.

There could be others I'm forgetting. I have not done much medieval wise, though I did a modern take on witch hunting in Witchunt, but there is no BATS.

I have primarily stuck to modern torture and sci fi themes because that's where my interests are. I'm very fond of electro torture scenes and that sort of thing, which obviously did not exist in ancient times.

That said, I wouldn't rule anything out completely, I might try medieval torture, but doing a BATS scene is probably not in the cards.

Darkroom wrote: Of all the fantastic ZFX scenes, there's one in the "Misadventures of Lois Payne" that remains on my all-time favorites. She's bent back over a work bench in a tool shop, her big wobblers tied off, and you're smartly threatening her with electric shocks from battery cables.

Victoria Vixxen was the performer in that scene and it's really nice you appreciate her work. She was tough, flexible and has very nice girl next door look. No tats, nice bush and her tits were pretty ideal for tying. That rubber band trick I copied from Bill Majors' awesome movie Tough Task. Thanks for the nice comments.

John Galt: I have Barbara Broadcast uncut, I rented it years ago on VHS and, yes, I made a copy. I'm pretty sure it's uncut as it has a hardcore bondage scene in it. Constance Money is gorgeous...actually every girl in it is, but you have to like some pubes on your girls. Jamie Gillis also shaves Ms. Moneys pussy as I recall. Its a stellar movie and that scene is very well done. I haven't looked at it in years, makes me want to dig it out.

It was one of the rare finds. There was a treasure trove of banned movies (after Meese) being rented in the back room of this little Indian spice shop that also sold videos. For some reason they had a huge porn section. I'm not kidding. I also found A Man and His Maid there too.

dood wrote: Rick - The updated ZFX site is awesome. And still under construction too. It will take me weeks to view it all.

Glad your enjoying it dood!

John Blakemore: Thanks for sharing these picts, very cool!

Ok that's it for now.

Rick

PS:The Victoria Vixxen link is fixed thanks for the heads up!

I have noticed well rated movie on this forum titled CMC-82. It appears to have an outstanding torture scene in it, the caps looked very good!

I live in the UK (England) where can I download this film?

You hit the nail on the head for my like's and dislike's I would only add clad in white panties (like) for part of the scene. (for me makes the appearance of innocence)

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Flintstone: Haw, what do you know? Rick FREAKIN' Masters even liked my movies :)

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Blakemore: Another illuminating post, thank you. And thanks for allowing me to run some of your private stash of photos at the top of the site.

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YikYakker: Thanks for the compliment on my student films. I listened to hours of my parent's classical music albums to find the right tracks that would work for the movies. The William Tell Overture was a no-brainer, though. I had that one in mind from the start.

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Dood: Those are pretty extensive lists you came up with. A couple comments. You can take or leave...gags? Gags are essential! And you dislike ballgags? Wow, few things in life are more stimulating than a beautiful woman with a red ball in her mouth.

And no to taping? I'm assuming you mean tape gags? Wow, again, strongly disagree. In fact, when we had a poll on this a few years back, ballgags and tape gags finished in a dead heat for first place.

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Gonzaullas: I really do appreciate you wanting to contribute to the forum, but posting 143 YouTube links all at once (It's really true, I counted them) is way too overwhelming, especially because almost everything you linked are in the databases already. I reluctantly took your posts off the board. 3 or 4 links is okay, but all that at one time totally disrupts the flow of our discussion forum. I hope you understand.

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mstrerotic wrote:

does anyone know the website of The Rack...Linda is it's keeper...please tell me.

Rack 'Em Up told you last week, and you even thanked him! Scroll back down to May 31. Geez....

For the record the porn actresses outside of ZFX that I remember fondly from the early 90's were June Bauer, Nicki Dial, Stephanie Rage and one from Rick Masters stable who didn't appear in near enough stuff, Felicia. They all did vanilla bondage stuff for the most part although Nicki had a Girls in Prison Porn that she was excellent in, and June B could make the most mediocre peril look believable.

I realize we all have different taste in Gimp so I hope no one is offended at this, but I don't find myself to be a big fan of ZFX. I loved Alison Parish, and she was by far my favorite of their victims. I think my beef with ZFX was two issues:

1) The villains mostly came across as dirty old men, not the evil torturers I prefer. A lot of times the menace was a plant, and in many cases they make Giga villains seem downright realistic. They also seemed to spend far too much time molesting, and far little time actually torturing or assaulting. The one exception to this I remembered was The Reporter (one of my favorite ZFXs). And ZFX rarely had a good stomach punch scene (something I love), although I remember an excellent one with Bridgette Bayonne in one of the Ballista flicks.

2) Rick always managed to cover the girls faces for some of the best scenes. Whether it was a gas mask or a gag the size of a wall tent he ruined several scenes by ridiculously covering the girls eye's and mouths so we couldn't see their expressions. The worse was the bowl (?) over Lisa Kinkaid's head in an electro torture scene in Ballista II. REALLY?

ZFX no doubt had some great scenes and some great actresses, and I appreciate the ground they broke. But it's very hard for me to think to one movie I have to have from their repertoire.

The power is applied three times in quick sequence, a pause while the guy taunts her some more, a fourth time when her answers are not forthcoming, and then a fifth time and a sixth time--and they are all exquisitely intense and erotic. The guy gets a phone call that I guess provided him with the infomation he was trying to shock out of Maki, because after the call he says something to her and signals for a final long shock that leaves her unconscious. An incredible 8-minute sequence with a breathtaking 3-minute electro-torture scene. For lots more vidcaps from this scene, visit the special Electro-Shock page for CMC-082.

Joe X

Rick is a lot nicer person than I am. :)

Don't I know it! You and Barney both! http://ralphus.net/dailypic12/toons09.jpg

Yabba dabba doo!

Ralphus: As usual you're right on spot! The pics you published tells me that it is indeed the movie "Cuntree" I was thinking about. Thanks a lot!

Now I have however been doing some searches on the net to buy the clip, but unsuccessful. As I understand it Insex, who produced the clip, does no longer exist. I hope anyway that there will be a source somewhere for their material. Does anybody here have a clue about where to buy one or more clips from "Cuntree"?

YikYakker: My thanks to your comment too! The scene from Sadomania you refer to, where a woman is raped by a dog while she's tied up, does indeed sound interesting! Also here I have been doing some searches on the net, but only to find different sources of downloadings who I don't dare to trust. I would feel safer to simply buy the movie, or the actual clip. Anybody knows where I can do that shopping?

Didn't know someone caught us doing that...well, we do like to get out with the womenfolk and do some hot footing every once in a while. :)

Yes, we do ship to England. Listed as computer disks to get through customs.

In addition to apathy, laziness and complacency, there's another reason why people sometimes don't post -- technical difficulties.

My computer monitor went on the fritz on Monday evening. I'm back online now and will respond in more detail tonight. For the moment, let me thank John Galt for his review and to Rick for the information on the ZFX Fans page.

Thanks

I was very curious about CMC-082 so I appreciate you taking the time to give it a full review.

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Rick: Thanks for providing more details on the ZFX Fan section. It sounds like my kind of web page.

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Joe X wrote:

What movie was that shot of Lisa with her hands behind her head that A Canadian posted yesterday taken from?

It was from The Apartment, an all-Lisa flick that was one of her final ZFX movies.

...the Magnum Ice Cream girl...That is Rachel Bilson, she has been on my need to be gimped list for years. She has had nothing even approaching Gimp on either TV or the movies sadly.

Yeah, I'm a big fan of hers, too. I first noticed her on "The O.C." Mischa Barton was the star, but I thought Rachel was a lot hotter. Seems like a nice girl, too. Someone really needs to tie her up and do bad things to her while she's still in her prime.

In the meantime, will this help?

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John Galt: It's always a pleasure when the board is treated to one of your excellent, comprehensive reviews. I've obviously seen this film, too, and it's got a LOT of good things going for it. As a whole, I'm not sure I'd give it an A simply because there were some scenes that I would fast-forward through. But if you add up the really good scenes, there's more than enough to justify a purchase. To my knowledge, no one else even carries it but Video Mayhem.

The direct link for your latest review is in my Homepage URL above. Been a while since we've had a movie reviewed around here lately.

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Accountse: Insex was sold several years ago and you can legally purchase their old material at Insex Archives. From what I understand, though, the new keepers haven't done anything to improve the antiquated video quality from how it was 10 years ago.

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Bill K (and "me"): Here's yesterday's Blakemore pic. According to what Blakemore wrote, it's "a blend of wild European and Siberian thistle" that he injected into her breasts to get them to swell up. He's really into oversized breasts and sticking things into them. Hey, everyone should have a hobby.

Like Canadian, I'm not into scat. But the electro torture scene looks splendid, and I'm always up for some AOH whipping.

I'm putting this one on my "to view" list.

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The other day I offered a few words of encouragement to those who rarely, if ever, post here.

Now here are some words of caution:

~ Please take the time to read what others have posted - it greatly reduces the probability of misunderstandings occurring.

~ Also take some time to carefully read over what you are about to post. Once you put your foot in your mouth, it's hard to get it back out.

End of public service announcement.

I did not fast-forward through your two YouTube movies, which I thought were promisingly subversive, primarily because they were short enough that they did not exceed my attention span. Of course, I wasn't expecting nudity or even particularly salacious GIMP from a student film, either, so there really wasn't anything to fast-forward to. Thanks for sharing that even early on you were expressing your GIMP tendencies. The forum is in good hands.

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Rick: I am also impressed with the new look of the ZFX website. I was extremely unimpressed with its original look. It was utilitarian, but little more. Excellent job!

You are just taunting me when you say you have a copy of the Barbara Broadcast video with an uncut bondage sex scene, right? Well, it is good to know that there was actually such a version, so maybe that's what will be used in the restoration.

I loved the stills from Witchunt that you posted. That is one of the ZFX videos in my library and it brought back fond memories. My favorite sequence was the modified rack scene, especially since it culminated in a rape. Almost as good as Lisa being raped by the teddy bear.

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John Blakemore: Your posts are always a pleasure to read. Please continue to regale the forum with your memories, adventures, perversions, and observations. Your posts will be valuable information for future GIMP historians. I'm just wondering if anyone has written a history of the early bondage film scene. I own (and have read) a few books on Bettie Page that touch on her bondage work, but she was only tangentially involved as a model in the early bondage scene, and she left it way too soon. Someone ought to write a seminal book covering the CalStar and HOM period. And include illustrations.

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Margot: If I haven't commented on your last incredible post: It was terrific! That picture of Amy in the river was sensational as well. I think that your highly informative and insightful posts will also make the forum THE source for inquisitive GIMPers to learn more about Red Feline as well as the world of GIMP in general. There is a point where an online forum transitions from simply being an exchange of views by enthusiasts to being a source for information and an accurate picture of the GIMP status quo. Posts like yours, Amy's, Rick's, Blakemore's and others too numerous to mention (or I am just too lazy to go back and research them all) add a whole different dimension to the forum. And I for one greatly appreciate them all!

I have a question for John Galt. What movie features Lisa getting raped by a teddy bear?

I'm not John Galt but I'm happy to provide the answer. The movie is Voodoo Dolls

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Rick: Voodoo Dolls isn't available on the new, improved ZFX website? What's up with that?

Rick: Voodoo Dolls isn't available on the new, improved ZFX website? What's up with that?

Well, I'm not Rick, but I watch his movies. Voodoo Dolls is there; you just have to look at the bottom for the "Shockwave" category. Once upon a time, Rick had a special line of movies that he put under the Shockwave label. Those were usually more complex films with sci-fi themes.

ZFX Trivia Question: What was the first...and the last...Shockwave title Rick ever released? First one to answer correctly wins bragging rights as well as a 3-day, 2-night vacation at the Ralphus Dungeon. Slave girls extra.

John Galt: I just watched and captured Barbara Broadcast. I don't know if it's uncut but it's a pan and scan version, it's hard core and has hardcore sex and bondage. And some pissing in a pan by CJ Laing. I doubt that will be restored hehe. She is an amazingly beautiful woman may she R.I.P..

Micro Review: Let me just say this: My memory sucks. There was NO shaving (thankfully actually), Jamie Gillis eats her pussy while she's tied spread and he has a mirror there. He fucks her doggie in a hogtie chain harness. Then puts her back spread eagle for a skull fucking and cum shot. It's a good movie, but there a few things I don't like. At the beginning of the scene Jamie has a lighter. Sorry guys, he only lights his smoke with it...

My opinion, it's a nice scene, but nothing to get worked up about. It's slow and sensual, I prefer rough and violent. It is quasi consensual and she seems to enjoy it in the end. Constance is hot, she whimpers a bit, but the soundtrack is a bit too loud and not enough natural sounds. Production values are off the charts good if you like a 70's style movie. I do. The rest of the movie is Gimp free, well shot, bit boring. Too much oral. C overall, bondage scene C+.

I will report more later, maybe a few teaser caps lol=)

VooDoo Dolls 1 and 2 are coming in a couple days, working on it right now! I shall let you know when it's up.

Ralphus or Scribbler thanks for the fixit on my pictures!

Rick

I believe that was "Fair Warning", wasn't it?

A cutie, but with way too much goth makeup, runs out of gas along a desolate stretch of road. Along comes our leading man who talks her into trucking her car to a gas station to "fill-her-up" so to speak. When she turns to look at him after passing a gas station, a right to the chops ends the discussion. He drops her into a room-size underground bunker, where she spends the good part of the rest of the movie. It's pretty obvious to our young victim when he brings down dinner exactly what the mystery meat is.

He takes her clothing and has her wear short denim shorts and a shirt that he forces her to tie as a halter top. This is the point at which most mainstream movies fall off the rails. Not this one. This guy is a serial rapist who has his way with women before having them for dinner. (Spoilage Alert): At one point we see our hero having dinner with his quite deceased parents, who he has wheeled out of a freezer for a repast with their loving son.

Unfortunately (this is mainstream after all) the rape scenes are quick-framed, lacking in much nudity and shot from low angles But they are repeated a surprising number of times -- including once in front of a female FBI agent who he captured and handcuffed to a nearby table. Not a GIMP classic by far. But the terror and then resignation of the kidnap victim were well done. And for those GIMPERS who can fill in blanks and come in with low expectations, it might be worth a look.

You wrote:

It's a good movie, but there a few things I don't like. At the beginning of the scene Jamie has a lighter. Sorry guys, he only lights his smoke with it...

Yeah, I noticed that, too. He lights his cig, and looks down at Constance all tied up in front of him, and he lowers the lighter right in front of her...and then puts it down. Definitely a missed opportunity there. It was the right size to put inside of her, or at least he could have threatened her with the flame. Oh well...

BTW, I don't know if your print is the same as mine, but once the actual raping began, the musical soundtrack was the unmistakable theme from "The People's Court"! That was kind of bizarre. I kept expecting to hear Doug Llewelyn's voice coming on the soundtrack to introduce Judge Wapner. Come to think of it, that music does sort of sound like it belongs in a porno movie...

BTW, did I miss something? CJ Laing died? Wikipedia has her as still being alive.

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Flintstone: You're half right, but the tougher part of the question, which was the last Shockwave movie? Even I had to look it up.

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Badger: Give me a grade on Junkyard Dog and I can add that to the Reviews section for you. It was already in my Netflix queue so I must have heard about it earlier. BTW, they have it for streaming only, which means they refuse to buy the DVD. I guess that's better than nothing, but I'd rather see it on my TV instead of my computer monitor.

Thanks to John Galt and A Canadian for answering my question. I hope it gets reviewed soon too.

Well, since John Galt already did his duty by reviewing CMC-082, I guess I can force myself to watch an all-Lisa movie and write a review. I'll try to post something in the coming days.

I'm going to put up a couple caps from Barbara Broadcast.

Ralphus: I'm curious if my version has additional footage that is not in your version. One thing I notice in the harness fuck scene is there is NO wide shot. Only a body pan. The penetration is shown in the mirror reflection on the floor. I wonder if there is more to it still?

I'm providing a link to the Barbara Broadcast Movie and VOD which I assume is legit, not sure about the cut of it though.

My apologies about saying Ms. Laing was no longer among us, and I'm happy to hear she is alive and well.

Rick

I thought I'd mention a few upcoming mainstream movies that should probably be on the board's radar. The first is called Django Unchained. Starring Jamie Foxx, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Kerry Washington (who gets the GIMP treatment), and directed by Quentin Tarantino, the drama is centered around pre-civil rights slavery in the South and comes out in December of this year.

The good news for us? The script calls for Washington to be put through quite the ordeal. I've read on a few sites that her character, slave Broomhilda, is whipped naked, locked in a metal box naked, forced to stand on an auction block naked, treated as a sex slave, raped multiple times, and well, you get the point.

Now granted, it's unclear just how graphic all of this will be, but apparently Tarantino was ready to go with an unknown up-and-comer actress (probably due to the demands of the role) before Washington surprisingly decided to accept the part. Tarantino has also warned that audiences will be uncomfortable, and that his goal was to show just how screwed up we used to be. And it's not like Tarantino has ever been one to hold back. So I would think at least a few of the mentioned scenes in the script will show something.

The other movie I'm really excited for, which appeals more to the humiliation crowd than the bondage one, is Compliance, scheduled to come out in August. The movie is based on the real-life story about a guy who called a McDonalds claiming to be a cop and ordering the employees to strip search a young women who worked there under the pretense that she was suspected of stealing. By the time they finally figured out he was a fraud, they had already made her do all kinds of degrading stuff.

While the real-life crime is despicable, the movie itself, starring the beautiful Dreama Walker from ABC's "Don't trust the B in Apt. 23", sounds promising. Apparently it shows quite a bit, including forced nude jumping jacks.

Bring on the end of the year!

I really like the electro torture scene in CMC-082 which is not only a fabulous torture scene but we get to see it from her capture, through her stripping and tying onto the torture table as well. Are there any other movies with great scenes like that? I would love to see more.

Like you, too, I'm not a great fan of ZFX because of the appearance of the male actors and the settings. Even so, I have seen some fabulous scenes like 'Jackbooth Job' with two great electric torture scenes, 'High Strung' with a pretty neat enema scene, and another with a nice electric torture scene on a nurse.

So is that as good as it gets? I was kind of hoping for sex while she was chained with her feet up, but now I suspect that was never the case. Even so, a fully-body shot of the bondage doggy-style fucking would be nice. I did not see anything in Rick's caps that aren't also in my copy. How disappointing. Still, it might be nice to have a nice, crisp, hi-def copy of the scene, since Constance Money is such a hottie.

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Insomniac: Quentin Taranatino has yet to deliver any decent GIMP, even though he has done several movies that would have been excellent GIMP vehicles. I'm beginning to think he has no appreciation for GIMP at all. Maybe he doesn't even think of girls, you know, in that way. But Kerry Washington has done nude scenes before, so maybe Django Unchained will finally be the long-overdue Tarantino GIMP flick. I'm not holding my breath, but I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

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A Canadian: I will gladly take Voodoo Dolls off of my to-do list and wait anxiously for your review. Since you did the sequel, there's a certain symmetry to your doing the first one as well.

Insomniac: Thanks for the heads up on the two new movies to look forward to. Regarding Kerry Washington, I plan to spend a lot of time between now and the release date managing my expectations. Another soon-to-be-released with possibilities is Oliver Stone's "Savages", which centers around two marijuana growers attempts to recover their kidnapped shared girlfriend from a Mexican cartel.

Oliver! Remember the kidnapped-girl-in-the-motel-room scene in "Natural Born Killers" and proceed from there.

I think those here who have observed that the Blakemore "photos" look like artist's renderings are getting pretty close to the truth.

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daniel: Be sure to post and let the board know what you think of CMC-082 once you've watched it. You can also inform the board whether or not it successfully makes it through customs. I sure hope so.

As far as submissive women go, there's a bunch. I haven't seen the site mentioned much at all on this site, but the site "Dominated Girls" has some astonisingly good actresses, a few of them anyway. A lot of the women they use aren't terribly attractive, but it's made up for by the scenarios, intense/brutal treatment and the actresses acting abilities. For "softcore" GIMP stuff, my favorite actress is probably Ariel Anderssen.

Rick: Thanks for the Barbara Broadcast caps. I've heard from a few sources that the "legit" version of the movie that you linked is indeed censored, so hang on to your copy until the hoped-for restoration by the DistribPix people from the story that John Galt linked us with earlier this week. I can tell you for sure that your version is more complete than the edited one I have, since there was no dick-sucking while tied-up like you showed in your caps.

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Insomniac: Django Unchained does indeed sound intriguing, although I'm reserving judgment for the same reason that John Galt is...Tarantino has a horrible track record for true GIMP scenes in his films. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that he's done more men in bondage scenes in his career. The good news is that if he does want to go all out and make something exploitative and rough, he's one of the few filmmakers out there who has the clout to get away with it and not have to worry about being forced to tone his work down.

Compliance: I had not heard they were making a movie out of the real-life McDonald's story, but I'm very familiar with it since it was discussed quite heavily on this board when the story came out. I have a hard time believing Dreama Walker, a TV sitcom actress, would consent to doing a humiliating nude scene, but you sure can't argue with the casting. She's extremely cute, possibly even cuter than the real-life victim in the case. Definitely one to watch for.

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Are Blakemore's pictures "doctored up"? He sent me a large batch of his private stills a while back and I can say for sure that some of them are definitely real, and others look suspect. As far as Photoshop goes, I can tell you that Blakemore is pretty much a dunce when it comes to doing stuff on the computer. He still has trouble even figuring out how to attach images in e-mail, and I had to give him step by step instructions just to show him how to surf the net. On the other hand, he's also an artist, and he did some recreations of old men's magazines that look a lot like his photographs. His wife has cartoonishly large breasts, and if I didn't know better, I would say they look photoshopped, but they really are that huge. At any rate, the pictures he's sent me are almost always eye-catching, if not stimulating.

Ralphus, John Galt: I hadn't realized how bad Tarantino's track record has been. Maybe I was getting him confused with another director. But regardless the script has hit the internet and it definitely includes several worthy scenes. Assuming that the script did not change, he'll be hard-pressed to totally screw it up. But I understand the skepticism. Like I said, it's just one to monitor.

Compliance, on the other hand, has already shown at film festivals and those scenes are confirmed. So the only thing that would derail that one is unexpected last-minute cuts.

Dusty, of course, is the real gem. You complain about the "pathetic" bondage, but that really didn't bug me too much. Jane's lack of struggling was the flaw there. Of course, I imagined Dusty thinking "Hey bitch, it doesn't look like you have any interest in getting loose, so I'll play along and leave you there." Good pacing, decent video quality, suitable music, and a funny ending. I'll give it four stars. It would have been five if the final scene had included Dusty carrying one of her shoes.

Kidnap! loses a lot in the murky lighting, but a positive viewpoint is that it only takes a little bit of effort to pretend the victim is tied naked to the chair. I hope you arranged to do the tying to make sure it was done right. I agree that Joe's acting is good, but the pacing felt a little slow. I got a kick out of the identical front door in both movies, and was greatly upset by the kidnappers leaving the front door open. Kidnapping is one thing, but leaving the front door hanging open...were they raised in a freakin' barn? What assholes!

Pretty decent horror film this was, sort of done in the Hammer style but with more GIMPage.

Speaking of old horror films from that era: I have finally scratched one off my "to review" list. See below.

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Slaughter Hotel (1971) (uncut)
aka Cold Blooded Beast aka Asylum Erotica, etc.
Movie Info: IMDb
Available from: Amazon and other fine retailers.

It's not a hotel, really, but what we today would call a "residential mental health treatment facility." And what a facility it is...with finely-appointed rooms and well-kept spacious grounds, it caters to young, rich and beautiful females who need a little "rest". It appears to be an authentic medieval or Renaissance-era castle that was turned into a hotel, then loaned to the film-makers for this project.

Recently we've been talking about hot women who become cold corpses, and that's basically what this movie is about. It's a rather bizarre slasher featuring a masked, cloaked stalker who infiltrates the building - or is it someone already on the inside? - and helps himself to the array of antique weaponry prominently displayed in a special room. No explanation is given for leaving deadly devices within reach of homicidal/suicidal/depressed patients. The killer selects a different weapon for each victim.

This review is non-linear in its approach: instead of walking chronologically through the story (which jumps around a lot), I'm going to introduce each GIMPette and relate her encounter with the bad guy. All of the killings take place in a single night. Time notations indicate where your FF target is.

Meet Margaret Lee (Venus in Furs)...and her eyes.

Depressed/suicidal Cheryl (Margaret Lee) is actually the first potential victim to make an appearance (at 4:30) and what a memorable one it is. She is initially seen squirming naked in her bed while she sleeps - a habit shared by others in this facility - as the killer approaches.

In her stupor, and still unaware of the killer's presence, Cheryl pushes the button calling for the nurse, and all the house lights come on. Zorro has to quickly leave the scene. Rats. Later in the movie, Cheryl will offer herself up as bait to catch the killer. See? Suicidal. Unfortunately, Margaret Lee does not get naked in the movie again.

Haughty Ruth (blond Gioia Desideri) has blackouts during which she tries to kill herself or others. And the doctors want to her to stay here?

As Ruth is sleeping (47:00), wearing a partly-open, filmy negligee, the killer steals into her room wielding a very handsome-looking dagger. Then he does something unexpected...he puts the dagger in her hand.

At first she is transfixed, then enthralled by the weapon in her possession. She immediately raises it to plunge it downward into her would-be assassin, but he disarms her and grabs her roughly. Being a homicidal maniac herself, she tries to choke him. He gets the better of her and obliges with his own throttling, finally shaking her violently as if to snap her neck.

He rams the blade in her chest a few times, then runs it s-l-o-w-l-y down her torso, from about her sternum to her pussy, leaving a trail of blood along the way. He then quickly and deftly slices her panties open, revealing her pussy, and finally rips the panties off.

Do I need to tell you that I liked that?

But the scene quickly shifts, so we are done with Ms. Desideri.

I'm glad Ruth was the first one to die.

Anne (sizzling Rosalba Neri) is burdened with nymphomania and is also obsessed with fucking her brother.

"Your love is excessive...go take a shower!"

The doctor orders her to take a shower (20:52), and it's quite a shower, with water jets hitting her from all directions. Rosalba Neri puts on a nice show in this lengthy sequence, bouncing off the walls and sinking to the floor. Wet and wild, just the way I like them.

That evening (31:40), she sneaks off to the greenhouse and seduces the gardener.

When she won't let go of him, even though orderlies and nurses are searching for her, he slaps her hard three times and orders her to leave.

Then she slaps him and walks away, making quite a lovely exit.

Later that night (1:05:00), as she's tossing and turning naked in her bed, fingering her pussy, the killer approaches with an axe hidden behind him.

She's too overheated to recognize that he is not the gardener (not that she would care anyway, as long as he has a dick).

She invites him into her bed, but his response is to raise the axe and bring it down on her several times.

The killing is mostly seen in silhouette, but the aftermath scene is nice.

Thus, after having shown us every square inch of her body several times, Rosalba Neri exits the film.

Jane Garret (above) in her only known movie role

Mara (sumptuous Jane Garret) suffers from amnesia and agoraphobia. She can't remember why she's at the facility, but she's too afraid to leave.

And why would she want to, when lovely red-haired, blue-eyed lesbian nurse Helen (foxy Monica Strebel) takes such good care of her, giving her massages and sponging her all over in the bubble bath?

After bathtime (1:12:00), Helen sits and rubs her pussy. She puts on some rhythmic music, and she and Mara dance. This leads to a hot snogging session between the two. Afterwards, Mara goes to the window, fully naked, to let in some fresh air.

But the killer has grabbed a crossbow from the weapon collection, snuck outside, and taken aim. Thhhhhpp! Right through the neck. Can't say I've seen that in a movie before.

Die young, make a good-looking corpse

Alerted by Helen's screaming, everyone now knows that there is a killer loose in the building; so the rest of the movie deals with the attempt to capture and unmask him. The movie ends quickly and violently, but there is no further GIMPage.

Movie plusses : Very beautiful women get naked, squirm around a lot, show and play with their pussies (the explicit scenes are probably inserts) and die violent deaths.

Movie minuses : A lot of filler - laced with European lounge music - and flashbacks slow the movie considerably. But the biggest problem here is that the killer's identity must remain unknown until the end, so there is not enough interaction between him and his victims. Although these are girls in merciless peril, there is no torture, rape, bondage or slow torment.

I think a better scenario would have been for the villain to abduct the babes, take them to a secret chamber in the castle, and have his way with them for a while before dispatching them. (OK producers, there's your plot; the rest is in your hands.)

It's splendidly filmed, and the widescreen aspect ratio makes it ideal for viewing naked victims in horizontal positions. The uncut version gives you all the explicit views of 1970s-style hairy lady parts being stroked by their owners.

Arguably not a true "giallo", the movie lacks the suspense of a good thriller, nor does it show enough GIMPage to be...well, a GIMP classic I give this average movie a bonus for the multitude of pulchritude. My Grade: C+

I may not score many points among die-hard GIMPers when I say this but I think a movie that put more emphasis on the Rosalba Neri character would have been more interesting. And what was that doctor thinking?: "Your love is excessive". Give me a break. I don't think Dr. Prude got the '70s at all.

Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed the review but I'm in no rush to see the movie.

You wrote:

...a positive viewpoint is that it only takes a little bit of effort to pretend the victim is tied naked to the chair. I hope you arranged to do the tying to make sure it was done right.

Sorry to burst your illusions, but she not only wasn't naked; she wasn't even really tied. And one of the guns was a piece of cardboard cut into the shape of a gun and painted black. That's movie illusion for you. I did try to tape the girl's mouth but she took the tape and said "Let me do it," and stuck it on her own mouth. So I didn't even get to actually gag her for my own movie.

Regarding them leaving the door open after they took her from the house, I remember one of my friends had a funny comment when I showed her the movie, something like "This doesn't say very much for our Neighborhood Watch program!"

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Badger: Got your review of Junkyard Dog added to the Reviews section at this link: http://ralphus.net/reviews/mainstream/junkyarddog.htm

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YikYakker: Once again, a very entertaining and comprehensive review, thanks for sharing that with the board. I know adding all those caps takes a long time but we appreciate the effort. Slaughter Hotel looks like one of those 1970s films that may not be especially GIMP-worthy in a conventional sense (no bondage, rape or torture), but the bevy of attractive naked women makes it worth checking out. I agree, Margaret Lee and Rosalba Neri (a Jess Franco actress) were both beautiful and like many actresses from that era, often stripped down on camera. Those Italian giallos are sometimes hard to track down but they usually have scenes in them that are worthwhile. I really miss the nudity and the freedom of the 1970s; you just don't see that much anymore.

The direct link for your review is in my Homepage URL above.

I keep hearing about this best selling book on TV, but I can't seem to get a handle on just what it is and the reaction to it. It is called "50 Shades of Grey". I think it's an S/M book written by a woman, along the lines of "Story of O and "9 1/2 Weeks".

Now there's a good example of how BDSM is permeating our society. Women get all hot and bothered by this trilogy. There are movies being made made of the trilogy soon. It's about a virginal college girl who meets a soul-tortured billionaire (named Christian Grey) who is a GIMP guy. She signs a slave contract and becomes his sex slave. I haven't read it yet, but I bought the trilogy for a loved one. It's supposed to be pretty graphic, and quickly browsing it, it did seem that it is very graphic BDSM. Very GIMPlike.

It started as fan fiction on some vampire movie site and became so popular it was made into books. Supposedly its popularity exploded because women could read it on their Kindles and needn't feel embarassed or guilty about possessing a hard copy of the book. It might just be P-R hype, but I have read comments in the media about how women find the books incredibly arousing, so aphrodisiacal that they immediately want to jump their men's bones, and also they become so emotionally wrapped up in the story of this lonely billionaire that it "makes them fall in love with their male partners all over again."

The three books are Numbers 1, 2,and 3 on the NY Times bestseller list. Also part of the hype is about how women's bookclubs all over the country are reading it and discussing all this. I can tell you from experience in my local area that is true.

I've got a funny story about buying it, in Barnes & Noble. I was on line and there were two young gorgeous college age girls behind me on line (true story). The clerk saw what I was buying when she cashed me out and said, "Hmmm, this book is selling like crazy but this is the first time I have seen a man buying it." (Editorial side note: Stupid men. Get it for your girls. Every woman should read this).

Anyway, the two girls behind me saw what I was buying and started gushing about the books. They talked about how incredibly great they are and how they couldn't put them down. One of the girls said she finished the first one and dropped everything she was doing and ran right out to the store to buy the other two books in the trilogy.

True story. How refreshing to know how widely this GIMPiness is being accepted.

PS, I also read an article this week that said sales of BDSM paraphenalia, restraints, gags, blindfolds, etcetera are up about 30% since the books were published.

PPS: Once my loved one gets around to reading the books, I will let you know how effective an aphrodisiac they are. Liquor in the front, poker in the rear

Remarkable stoicism.

True story. How refreshing to know how widely this GIMPiness is being accepted.

Agreed. This series seems to be doing wonders for promoting mainstream acceptance of women's politically incorrect fantasies when it comes to bondage and submission.

You won't catch me reading the books (I'm more of a Japanese-film buff) but women are certainly gushing about them.

Title: Voodoo Dolls

Starring: Lisa Kinkaid, Jon Obrien and Rick Masters

Directed by: Rick Masters

Running time: 63 minutes

Voodoo Dolls has achieved legendary status as the film that shows a teddy bear committing rape. As odd as it sounds, the depiction of beautiful Lisa Kinkaid tied spreadeagled on a bed and violated by a toy bear is wonderfully erotic and makes Voodoo Dolls required viewing.

This ZFX feature from 1996 is about a go-go dancer named Stevi (Kinkaid) who gets into trouble when she rents a cheap cottage apartment from a nice, young guy named Archie (Jon Obrien). It turns out Archie's father is a 300-year-old shaman (Rick Masters) who uses voodoo dolls to torture young women through hallucinations and pain. According to the official plot description, the shaman prolongs his life by draining the life-force from his victims until the victims die of fright.

Stevi first encounters the creepy-looking shaman when she enters the landlords' house looking for Archie. Although the father's appearance is unsettling, the meeting begins pleasantly enough.

However, events quickly go south. To place Stevi under his spell, the shaman grabs Stevi's arm and puts his hand over her face, sending a jolt of green energy through Stevi's body.

The action flashes over to Stevi's bedroom. Stevi slowly undresses and gets the (completely understandable) urge to play with herself in front of a mirror, fondling her lovely breasts and her pussy. She enjoys herself, not realizing she's being watched through a small peep hole in the wall. Stevi lies down on the bed to continue pleasuring herself until she climaxes.

Stevi goes to sleep and it becomes clear we are in hallucination-land.

As Stevi sleeps, one of her teddy bears comes to life. The toy bear removes Stevi's blanket and uses strips of bed sheets to tie naked Stevi's arms and legs in a spreadeagled position. With Stevi bound and nude on her back, the bear starts licking Stevi's pussy, causing Stevi to wake up and shriek when she sees the perverted teddy bear.

"What the fuck?" Stevi cries out, which rattles the bear.

Stevi drops her head back to try to wake herself from what must be a bad dream. But when she lifts her head, the bear is still there, and he growls and thrusts his over-sized (for him) member into Stevi.

"Oh my god, I'm being fucked by a teddy bear," says an incredulous Stevi. "This cannot be real."

Unreal it may be, but the bear knows how to rock Stevi's world, making the sexy beauty writhe and moan. Indeed, Stevi's responses are perfect, producing a scene that's believable (remarkably) and very arousing.

The bear finishes by cumming on Stevi's bush and on her body. The bear continues to cum as he gets Stevi to suck his dick.

Covered in jism, an appreciative Stevi licks the teddy bear's snout as the bear lies next to Stevi's face. The scene concludes with Stevi lying alone, licking her lips in bliss. The fact that Stevi ultimately enjoyed her violation may be a deal-breaker for some but I thought the violation was outstanding.

The hallucination ends and dazed-looking Stevi is back with the shaman. The shaman orders Stevi to strip off her top and fondle her own breasts.

And then -- shazam -- it's off to another hallucination.

Stevi, wearing a white top and blue jeans, ventures into a cottage that's still being built. As she wanders through the cottage, a demonic-looking Archie sneaks up behind her. Archie grabs Stevi and stuffs a blue rag into her mouth. He uses a cable to tie the rag in Stevi's mouth and to choke Stevi's neck. Stevi struggles to get free but is choked until she passes out.

As Stevi lies unconscious on the floor, Archie lifts her top to play with her tits. Archie also runs his hands along Stevi's body, and rubs her pussy area (Stevi is still wearing her jeans). Archie straps a red ball gag into Stevi's mouth and uses some ropes to tie Stevi in a standing position, with her arms and legs tied to wood studs. A rope tied to the ceiling is also bound around Stevi's neck and it's also wound above and below her breasts.

Archie uses some scissors to cut openings in Stevi's top to expose her nipples. "Look," Archie says as he reveals Stevi's left nipple, "it's trying to see. It wants to breathe." Archie rips the openings wider to expose even more of Stevi's great breasts.

Archie removes Stevi's ball gag and grabs a big rubber penis, which he forces into Stevi's mouth. "Come on, it's not that big," Archie says as he forces Stevi to suck the thing.

The ball gag is placed back in Stevi's mouth and Archie attaches some clothespins to Stevi's tits. He then pulls Stevi's jeans down to her knees, revealing her white panties. Archie puts his hand inside Stevi's panties to massage her pussy, and then rips open her top to display more of her body.

Grabbing his voodoo doll, Archie tells Stevi, "you're going to enjoy this." Archie rubs the voodoo doll's pussy area with his fingers, which causes Stevi's pussy to magically get stroked. Squirming, Stevi moans as the voodoo spirit fingers her.

Archie pulls Stevi's panties down to her knees and attaches two clothespins to her pussy lips. He then leaves Stevi alone to struggle in her agony. Stevi tries to untie herself but fails and, in pain, slips into unconsciousness. "We can't have you passing out," Archie says when he gets back and he spanks Stevi's bare ass.

Stevi is seen in a new position, standing with her arms bound behind her back and tied to the ceiling. Stevi's ball gag and clothespins are gone and Stevi is wearing nothing but her panties and shoes. Archie uses scissors to cut off the panties, and the panties are stuffed into Stevi's mouth and tied in place with rope.

As Archie sits in a chair and consults his book of voodoo spells, Stevi is standing in a bent-forward position, her arms bound in the back by ropes and a belt. Her wrists are tied to a rope from the ceiling. The rope that ties Stevi's panties into her mouth also surrounds her tits, and Stevi's feet are bound to wood studs.

"You see this?" Archie asks as he stands in front of Stevi with the voodoo doll. "This is you."

Archie pushes pins into the voodoo doll, causing Stevi to cry out in pain.

Moving behind Stevi, Archie uses a belt to whip Stevi's ass, with Stevi yelping and jerking with each blow. The lashes from the belt leave red welts on Stevi's shapely behind.

Archie inflicts more pain on Stevi as he pulls out the pins from the voodoo doll, one pin at a time. The voodoo doll is then inserted into Stevi's ass, and Stevi squeals as the doll is rammed into her butt hole. To wrap things up (so to speak), Archie uses a belt to tie the doll inside Stevi's ass.

The movie ends with a brief slo-mo preview of the spanking scene in the sequel, Voodoo Dolls 2: Ritual.

My grade: B+

The ability to enjoy Voodoo Dolls probably depends on a person's tolerance for fantasy, since much of the action -- the teddy-bear rape, the finger-fuck through a voodoo doll, etc. -- involves some stretches in known science. That said, Lisa is great as the victim and she makes every scene look believable and sexy. While it doesn't quite reach the heights of its sequel, Voodoo Dolls is a better-than-average flick and is worth seeing.

(Added note: My review of the sequel, Voodoo Dolls 2: Ritual, has been updated to clarify the storyline, based on details that became clearer while preparing this review and after recalling points Rick made when that review was first posted in 2007. Also, new caps have been added to that review. I thank Ralphus for his patience and help.).

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Guys, I appreciate your comments about the Slaughter Hotel review.

D. Santorum wrote:

[Thanks]...for introducing me to Margaret Lee. My goodness, what an adorable creature.

Amen to that. Margaret Lee has eyes that one can drown in. This British cutie has only done nude scenes in three movies: this one, the aforementioned Venus in Furs, and something called The Rogue, which I have not seen.

But she had an amazing screen presence. She not only spoke the Queen's English, but was fluent in Italian as well. She insisted on doing her own dubbing. Talented and stunning.

A Canadian wrote:

I think a movie that put more emphasis on the Rosalba Neri character would have been more interesting.

I probably first encountered Rosalba Neri in one or more of the "Hercules" movies she did early in her career. I consumed a steady diet of these sword-and-sandal epics in my youth, which probably accounts for my fascination with Italian actresses. Rosalba Neri did it all...spaghetti westerns, comedies, horror (Lady Frankenstein, Devil's Wedding Night), and as Ralphus pointed out, even a few Franco flicks.

Versatile, talented, strikingly beautiful and ever-willing to doff her duds, she epitomizes what I look for in a Eurobabe.

John Galt wrote:

It would be so nice if we could make the GIMP site THE place to go looking for movies with GIMP...

A while back, Ralphus posted some numbers indicating how many new reviews were added during a particular time frame. Of course, since then we have added many more.

Reviews of some of these movies can be found on blog sites, but where else on the internet can you find so many reviews focused on flicks of GIMP interest from such a wide variety of sources all in one place?

I think we have a great thing going here, and it just keeps getting better.

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A Canadian: When I first heard talk on this forum about Lisa Kinkaid being raped by a teddy bear, I thought to myself, "No way something like this would ever work."

But thanks to your excellent review and caps, I'm a Believer.

Great job.

Ralphus wrote:

I guess it's along the same lines as using a vibrator on them for me. Anything that is designed to give the woman pleasure, even if an overdose of which becomes unbearable, doesn't do it for me.

And A Canadian wrote:

Strongly disagree.

I love forced vibrator scenes for the same reason that I suspect the Japanese love them. Done right, there's a public humiliation factor involved when someone the heroine hates forces the heroine to cum against her will. That is a major turn-on for me.

At the risk of revealing perhaps a little more than I should, I will admit that I have experienced 'forced orgasms' as a part of some torture games I have played.

Of course as they were 'games' that I had agreed to, one can make the point that everything that was done to me was voluntary; however I have learned to set these games up so as to recreate at least some of the psychological essence of a real interrogation/ involuntary torture. Namely, I can stop it at any time: by "talking"; but at a price I do not voluntarily want to pay: I have found that the most effective version of this is demanding that I reveal ALL my computer passwords - which would of course allow my "interrogators" pretty complete access to my personal life.

But back to forced orgasms as a form of 'torture'; of and by themselves, orgasms, forced or otherwise are NOT torture. By definition (for a normal woman anyway - which I consider myself to be) orgasms are pleasant, VERY pleasant. They do however make the female body twist and writhe in motions that are virtually identical to the way a female body will twist and writhe in pain as well (particularly pain to the 'right' places); a fact that is probably the primary explanation why for so many people it is 'fun' to watch a nude woman getting tortured.

But, being pleasant to feel, orgasms cannot be called torture. However, as the respondent pointed out, being involuntarily brought to orgasm is humiliating (yes - it is). I would explain that as being the response to the lesson every girl is taught by her mother, that she is responsible to protect the sanctity of her body and always control her body (and not the other way around!) So, having her body respond with an orgasm to touching that she does not explicitly allow is a demonstration of her own total failure to fulfil either of these responsibilities. (And being shown up to be a failure IS humiliating - and to the extent that this show is in front of an audience, it is a public humiliation.)

However, I would still stop short of calling a forced orgasm torture, perhaps using the milder term, 'torment'. However, in the hands of an expert torturer/interrogator, the orgasm is the 'opening movement' (pardon the pun) for the intimate torture to follow. Immediately (seconds) after the orgasm, the vulnerable parts of the body are particularly sensitive and therefore, vulnerable to torture. So, the orgasm becomes an integral part of the torture.

After a while, the sensitivity of the intimate parts settles down and if the female does not give in from the initial shock (which generally is also literally a series of shocks as electro-torture is the best way to do this) the expert torturer gives her a break and gets ready to do it again. (Assuming that the interrogation does not have a short time limit, in which case the intensity of the torture will simply be increased. But, a stubborn female can endure this kind of torture long enough to get numbed before she talks. Something the interrogator has to deal with. And in a game situation, simply increasing the intensity of the shocks is limited by safety concerns as well.)

Of course at this point the female subject knows what she is in for, so now she is going to try even harder to resist orgasming again. Whether and to what extent she will succeed is very dependent on the individual female subject's body reactions and only to a slighter lesser extent, on the skill of the torturer. So, as I said before, the enforced orgasms become an inseparable part of very real torture.

As for the use of 'enforced orgasms' as the 'torture' on film. As I also said before, visually (which is really the ONLY thing that counts on film), how the female subject's body will perform during an orgasm and during torture is virtually identical (the filmmakers 'dream') so then it just becomes a matter of how what is being done, is presented in the plot. And here, the official (or unofficial, as in the US film rating system) censoring attitudes become the deciding factor.

A Canadian: Dude, that was an outstanding review of Voodoo Dolls. Great descriptions, great vidcaps, you definitely sold the movie for potential ZFX fans who haven't seen it, and gave us a nice trip down memory lane for those of us who have. Rick should pay you a percentage, because I'll bet he'll be selling a few copies of that movie in the days to come.

"Oh my god, I'm being fucked by a teddy bear!"

Believe it or not, I only saw that scene one time. I never kept it in my highlights tape, but it doesn't mean I don't admire it for being over the top and totally audacious. Like the myriad of plant rapes that Rick shot over the years (and one movie that featured spider rape), this was a little more along the lines of "weird shit" as opposed to the realistic fantasies that I enjoy more. But anyone who gets into stuff like that will surely enjoy the movie and especially this scene. I'll say for sure it's the BEST teddy bear rape scene I've ever watched.

The link for your latest review is in my Homepage URL above.

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Lynn: It's always great when you find the time to stop by and add the female perspective to our little men's club. Even though we had the discussion of forced orgasms a couple weeks ago, it's never too late to bring it back up again. Besides, I don't think we got nearly the response on the topic I was hoping for the first time.

I get everything you're saying about how orgasms, and I agree the humiliation factor can be a turn-on, but as a guy, I'm more concerned with my own orgasms, thank you. If I'm raping a girl, she can cum or not, I don't care. I'd rather have it be an unpleasant experience for her, given the choice. I also subscribe to Blakemore's creed that if you're going to make her orgasm, make her cum by hurting her rather than by giving her pleasure.

I think too many of today's models (I'm thinking about Kink.com and all their offshoots) take these jobs because they know the experience will ultimately be pleasurable for her because they know the dom is going to use a vibe on her and let her cum, often multiple times during the shoot. They're spoiled. If I'm a bondage producer, I'm not going to make a movie like that because I don't get turned on watching a woman cum. I want to see good old fashioned rape and torture. No vibrators would even be allowed on the set, unless she wants to bring her own for after the cameras stop rolling.

Comments, anyone?

May I echo Ralphus and confirm how good it is to have a woman's perspective on this site. I would like to comment, if I may, on your several observations.

Firstly, you seem to be a masochist with the intensity of desire the like of whom I wish I had met more often. I like your strategy of finding release only with the revelation of your passwords. Most of my activity was before (decades before!) such technological resources. I used, for example, to make use of revealing bank details, but this modern take is so much more immediate, intense and potentially consequential. I am interested to know how often you put yourself into such situations, how many times you had to reveal your passwords and whether there were ever any unfortunate consequences.

Personally, except in particular circumstances, I am against allowing/giving my subs/slaves orgasms; forced or otherwise. And this preference, of course, extends to films and representations of BDSM activity. For me their experience should be one of unrelieved pain, discomfort, humiliation and degradation. I actively strive to remove all pleasure from the experience; e.g. making their food unpleasant/disgusting. (I should say that all must be consensual, but I have never sought s/ss who desire to relinquish control to the maximum degree and wish to experience that loss of control to the greatest extent). As you say, by definition, an orgasm must be pleasurable and thus not allowable. My objection to sites like 'Infernal Restraints' is that far too much attention is given to the woman's pleasure. (Of course, I do not hold this against the women concerned; that they should be concerned with their pleasure is most understandable and the activity must be consensual. Clearly they do not have your masochistic appetites!).

I disagree with you that men enjoy seeing a woman writhing in pain because her movements could be those of one wriggling in orgasmic ecstasy. Sadists, such as myself, want to see the victim in pain; as I have said, not in pleasure. (Years ago I saw an animated film in which a woman's body was placed in a number of extreme positions, but ones that could be for bondage sex or torture. The soundtrack was such that it was impossible (or so I found) to identify whether the woman's cries were of pleasure or of pain. {Now that I am more experienced I can tell the difference!}. It was an interesting exercise in ambiguity, but it was clear to me that my response would have been very different if I had known unequivocally whether it were pleasure or pain).

In addition, my experience is that the movements involved in the two situations are clearly distinguishable. Even women who enjoy being restrained during sex, but have no interest in pain, react against their bonds differently from those being tortured. The former wish to confirm that they are helpless, the latter genuinely wish to free themselves. Also, as I have said, the vocal response of a woman even in the most intense orgasm is different from that of one in genuine, severe pain.

Where I would agree with you about orgasm is in its role as a preliminary. One of my most frequently used scenarios is for my s/s to expose herself, emotionally/psychologically as well as physically, before anything painful occurs; before, even, she is rendered helpless. This involves, of course, her climaxing; usually by self-masturbation, or by my 'obliging' her. Although this is usually embarrassing, it is not necessarily particularly intensely so; at least with respect with what is to come(!). If the woman has sufficient trust to surrender her body to me, there is already an intimacy that blunts any embarrassment or humiliation.

Of course, if people who are complete strangers to her are present, the elements of acute embarrassment and humiliation can be reintroduced. One of the current types of institution, the fetish club, that I would have wished were available to me years ago come into their own here. Making a sexual spectacle of one's s/s in front of dozens, hundreds, of people is for her as intensely embarrassing, humiliating and, for some, as degrading as it gets.

Your final discussion of the physiology of repeated (genital) torture surprises me. You must have very high pain thresholds, or be intensely masochistic, if you hold out against torture that renders your flesh numb (I assume we are talking about your vulva). If there is any likelihood of such a thing occurring, a change in the nature of the inflicted pain would suffice to avert this 'danger'!

I agree with you that most of a woman's body is much more sensitive/responsive after an orgasm, but I do not believe that the effectiveness of any torture is significantly dependent on this. Or, in other words, the most effective torture possible is not dependent on any such prior sensitization. I, and I am sure, the other patrons of this site, will be very interested in your response to my comments about your pain threshold and/or depth of masochism and, in more detail, your response to pain.

My apologies for trespassing so extensively on your patience, and that of the other patrons of this site.

I very much hope that we hear more from you. My very best wishes. Richard

1. I wouldn't know "Photoshop" from a rat's ass and never will. Ralphus is right in saying I have no computer skills because I don't. Goddamnit I'm 70 years old and still in great physical shape because I haven't spent my time sitting on my ass in front of a computer and don't intend to. Ralphus has asked me why I don't do this or that via computer but I have neither the time or incentive to invest in stuff I don't have and have neither the time nor desire to learn to use before I take my 12 gage to the Goddamn thing out of frustration at my own stupidity! Okay?

And then there are other things to consider that I can not and will not elaborate on other than to say that if I could talk about what I've been doing since about 1987 nobody would believe me because that's the way a huge part of "THE-WORLD-OF-PUSSY-GRATIFICATION" works...by staying unseen and unheard of. My point is...I'm too fuckin' busy to bullshit anybody and what the fuck would I get out of it anyway? Jeazzzus...!

2. I am no longer in the business of...nor being paid to create fiction in any form to make cocks hard and pussies wet...hell I wouldn't have the time. Believe me, living with Danielle is a full time job and it is certainly not all "fun and games" because she is a unique woman with very unusual desires and needs...(many of which "cross the line" of "Forbidden in America", which is a serious and often risky maze to negotiate just from a safety and legal point of view.) Danielle is 56 years old and has not shown even a hint of approaching menopause. There are reasons for this but it would require disseminating a lot of facts that go back to the 1930's and 40's before anyone could understand what "von Brecker's Syndrome" does to those rare females born with it...and don't bother looking for von Brecker's Syndrome on the internet 'cause it ain't there.

3. The quality of the pictures I've sent to Ralphus sucks because I enlarge a regular print on a color-copier (that isn't the best but nobody is looking over my shoulder who will run to the manager whispering "Do you know what that man is DOING?" and demand he call the cops.) Then I photograph the enlarged photocopy with my less than state of the art digital camera...(which I hate because I'm a skilled photographer and cinematographer using FILM!)...and then print-out the picture on my old computer and shit happens in that process. The ONLY "doctoring" I have done was to attempt to make Kelly Long's face unrecognizable in those ancient photos showing the sequence of what happened when her breasts were "injected". It never entered my mind that anyone would think there was something "suspect" about any of them until Ralphus himself did so all I can say is "take 'em or leave' em...I don't give a damn but remember it's not wise to "look a gift horse in the mouth", okay?

Breast injections: Around 1914 to 1915 a French "Herbalist/Chemist" completed a "proprietary" blend of a variety of wild European and Siberian thistle extracts for use on the battlefields of WW-1 to prevent a soldier with (mainly abdominal wounds) from bleeding to death because when this "serum" was injected into the area of the wound it caused such extreme selling that the bleeding was temporarily stopped. Great? No. The American monster of "Big Pharma" was already powerful enough that because this man's discovery was "natural" and could not be synthetically reproduced...hence owned and controlled by them sufficient influence was used to quash it. *(Much as the use of the Browning Automatic Rifle was withheld from American Troops at the cost of thousands of lives because of the fear that the Germans would get the technology!)

Subsequently...the discovery was shelved until after Herr Hitler appointed Herr Goebbels as Minister of Propaganda and Education, who in turn appointed Himmler head of the new Gestapo...(which had within its ranks one of the rare high ranking FEMALE SS Officers).

This...(real Bitch)...had been a nurse in the German Army during WW-1 and had knowledge of the by then very old, French chemist's blend of thistle extracts...and SHE had the idea that perhaps it could be used as a method of "enhanced interrogation" of pretty female enemies of the Reich. Himmler approved and the Gestapo simply took the Frenchman's formula...then murdered him and anyone they could find that knew about his discovery.

Subsequently it was used a method of torture because when injected into a woman's breasts they immediately begin to swell...distending to excruciatingly painful proportions and become so sensitive she will scream if a nipple is so much as licked. Depending on the individual girl or young woman, her breasts stay swollen for between 18 to 24 hours.

*Anyone with the time who can go through the U.S. Senate's "vetting" process can gain access to transcripts from the Nazi War Crimes-Doctor's Trials that were deemed to be too horrible for public consumption...that contain detailed and very "graphic" accounts of this being done by girls and young women who were the victims.

For instance: A beautiful 15 yr. old French girl working at a Parisian cafe caught the eye of a ranking SS Officer because she had a "drop-dead-gorgeous" face and a pair of big firm breasts as well as a really fine body. When she slapped the shit out of him for trying to get her to pull her sweater up and let him grope her breasts, well what the hell...she was arrested a few days later and HE was present during her "interrogation" which started with having her breasts injected THROUGH HER SWEATER after she was strapped into a chair. As her breasts swelled the tightness of her sweater became so unbearable she was screaming to be allowed to rip it off!

There are dozens of references about "breast-injection" being used as a method of torture and it is noteworthy that there is a mention that this was used as PRELIMINARY preparation for the more advanced torture severe whipping...of skewering the girl's swollen breasts because it hurt worse and her breasts didn't bleed so when she was released (if she ever was)... there was little evidence that the "injections" had ever even taken place.

For reasons I will never know, this "serum" went underground again and has pretty much stayed there until I think it was in October, 2009...(please don't hold me to that 'cause I'm not sure of the date)...but when I watched CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta (sp.?)...giving this report I about lost it! He was talking about was a "wonderful new discovery" that would make mammograms much less painful and infinitely more accurate. When this "new" serum was injected into the patient's breasts it caused them to swell on average of 1 to 2 cup sizes larger, thus making it easier to get a good mammogram without having to crust the breast flat. I was fucking astonished but then I realized that Big-Pharma" had finally discovered how to make a synthetic copy of the French Chemist's formula the Nazis used...but it had to be the same shit because Dr.Grupta made the "footnote" that well...yeah, maybe there was a side-effect...like the Lady having this done might want to arrange for total privacy for up to 18 hours because her breasts MIGHT be so sensitive she couldn't stand to have even the silkiest of blouses touch them!

If and when I ever complete my own biography everyone will know about my beautiful 2nd cousin...(20 some years older who was my best friend, mentor and lover who was the "right-hand-Lady" of Gen. George Marshal throughout WW-2)...who had intimate knowledge of the Nazis use of this stuff and that is how I learned of it in 1953 when I turned 12 and was then old enough to be told.

I had access to this "serum" long before I knew there were such things as "Bondage" magazines but for many...(I suppose legitimate)...reasons I was NEVER allowed to even think about using it after I became involved in "the business" and to my knowledge nobody else ever has either...go figure! And Ralphus my friend, please don't say I'm "paranoid" because Goddamnit, "Big Brother" IS out there watching and showing the whole world how incredibly "HOT" it is to watch some gorgeous young slut's breasts swell to huge proportions just to torture the bitch would go beyond where "He" is willing to tolerate.

To:"J"..."Artist's renderings?" I'm good but not that good.

To: "YikYakker"...thanks for your compliments.

To:"Bill K."...hope this answers your questions.

To: "Lynn"...tell me more. A female's perspective is more valuable than all the male comments in the world...thanks!

To: Everybody...I know that a lot of what I know and may talk about is WAY OUTSIDE the mainstream thinking and knowledge about "Bondage" and all his good stuff and I will share with you what I can but there is a point beyond which I don't have the right to violate confidences and trusts so please don't think me arrogant or whatever when I may respond with less than total details about some things but thank you all for you comments either pro or con.

Ya-allo take care.

It was interesting to read John Galt's reaction to the grade I gave the film, as grading it was the most difficult part.

Normally, my grade for a movie is based on my initial reaction, as I know some movies fare better than others after repeat viewings. I feel my grade should reflect how I felt when I first saw it.

In this case, I can't be certain how I felt (we've already discussed the middle-aged memory issues. At least, I think we have...) but I'm pretty confident my initial reaction was similar to John Galt's. I liked the teddy bear scene but was less keen on the rest of it.

Watching it now, as I prepared the review, I still really like the teddy bear scene. But I also enjoyed the latter half of the movie more than I remembered liking it the first time.

Still, I think it is best to grade the movie based on my initial impression, to the extent I remember it. So I went with the B+.

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Lynn: I enjoyed your take on forced orgasms.

I wouldn't argue with your assertion that forced orgasms aren't "torture." From my perspective, it doesn't matter. To me, it's the humiliation aspect of the forced-vibrator scenes that turns my crank, not the belief the victim is being tortured.

Of course, I don't draw on personal experiences when I look at these things, as I'm completely vanilla in real life. I just know what I like in my movies.

I believe my comment a while back on today's picture back then about it being more enjoyable to view for me and for the lady being tortured if she had dildo clitoris stimulus had to do with me feeling her pain and her orgasm. You know, like being inside her mind.

It's the way I erotically enjoy torture, bats and fiery peril for I am more a masochist than a sadist so if she is sexually enjoying being whipped, branded, electric shocked or whatever then I'm enjoying it. I know women can have orgasms without clitoris stimulus but I'm believe it should be more enjoyable (powerful) orgasm with a dildo clitoris stimulator.

That's my thinking on the forced orgasm question. Bill K.

I'm not sure I would dispute your differentiation between forced orgasm as a torment as opposed to a torture. I do think "torture" suggests a painful experience, whereas "torment" suggests something that just goes on too long. In that respect, I don't think of forced orgasm as a torture. As a humiliation, it also sounds more like torment.

When I think of forced orgasms, I think of a rough build-up to a highly excited state that culminates in an orgasm, but then the stimulation continues on overly sensitive zones so that the experience quickly crosses the line between pleasure--even if it is accompanied by humiliation--to extreme discomfort, if not actual pain. And of course it needs to be accompanied by screams and writhing and struggling and lots of perspiration.

Consequently, I was a bit bummed to read that perhaps after enough over-stimuation the areas become numbed. Really? That is such a letdown. In my fantasies, the over-stimualtion just goes on and on, complete with involuntary muscle spasms and helpless cries for mercy. *sigh*

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Richard: I appreciated your disquisition as well. I am definitely not a sadist, although I think I have my fair share of sadistic procilivites when it comes to fantasy entertainment. Inflicting pain in and of itself doesn't do it for me, personally. Your post made for some very interesting reading, though.

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J. Blakemore: Thanks for another fascinating post.

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Ralphus: I'm not so sure a majority of the Kink.com shoots always involve pleasure as of late. It seems to me there is an inordinate amount of pain involved. Now, if the "victim" is a pain slut and the pain is ultimately pleasurable, then I guess maybe that tips the scales toward pleasure in the long run. But I can say that I am not all that turned on by pain sluts being abused. I prefer my victims to not enjoy the pain.

The latest Sex and Submission shoot, Spy vs Spy: The Medvedenko Affair, featured Princess Donna Dolore and James Deen, and was more violent that sexually violent, I thought. Of course, it would have been much better if they hadn't made the same mistake that Kink's role-playing scenarios always make, specifically, the victim is not properly subdued. In the entire first scene, Princess Donna's hands were not bound at all. She just kept them out of the way all while she was being abused. Well, you know, in a real situation, the victim would be hitting and scratching and clawing. That oversight never fails to take me out of the role-play.

But anyway, I'm not sure pleasure entered into the shoot at all unless Princess Donna got off on the pain, which was entirely possible. So if you like that pain-over-pleasure aspect, maybe you should give Kink another look these days. Unless pain sluts enjoying the pain doesn't do it for you, either.

But they'd better watch out for those spiked heels.

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John Galt wrote:

And of course it needs to be accompanied by screams and writhing and struggling and lots of perspiration.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm looking for in a GIMP scene. Now, Lynn makes a good point about women's reactions to sex resembling their reactions to torture. But as I watch these scenes, I need to feel that there is genuine distress involved. Any hint that the victim is actually enjoying the experience - like cooing, "Oh yes, master, please beat me some more" - and the little remote in my brain wants to change the channel.

The notion of humiliation as torment is an intriguing one - but I think it takes a pretty talented actress to adequately convey it. (Or maybe I just haven't watched enough Japanese films). Sometimes getting inside the mind of the victim is tough for me to do without a sufficient amount of visual or auditory cues.

In that sense, writers such as Eda have an edge, because they use words to tell you what the victim is thinking and experiencing...you just have to let your imagination fill in the sights and sounds.

So I guess in the final analysis it really comes down to how well the performers and producers deliver a scene. Even so, the beauty of a scene seems to depend greatly on the eye (or imagination) of the beholder.

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This may be straying a bit from the topic, but what about those scenes in which women are being reamed by mechanical devices? Is the victim feeling disgust, humiliation, pain, pleasure, all of the above?

Interesting discussions lately. I loved Lynn's Safeword=Password idea.

Joe X

I am reminded of Duran Duran's machine in Barbarella, although of course I would prefer that the victim not burn it out. There's something exciting about setting a device in motion and watching it progress inexorably toward a climax. There is also an aspect of watching that satisfies a voyeuristic personality. And, of course, if you have set a fucking machine in motion, you are free to concentrate on other sensitive areas.

My deviant two cents.

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I also like today's pic, but what's up with that curved hard-on?

I am somewhat surprised by your assertion that you are not a sadist. As I would be if such an assertion were made by anybody on this site.

Sadism; shorter OED, 'pleasure derived from inflicting or watching cruelty'; NB 'watching'!

One might be able to distinguish between types/depths of sadism depending on how one responds to acted scenarios, those where the 'victim' has given consent, and those where the victim has not given consent; but surely they all evoke sadistic responses.

Perhaps you wish to make a distinction between that which is in the imagination and that which is real? But as I attempted to argue earlier, I believe that there is no such separation.

For Man 287. I do not understand how your 'three card trick' operates. Please enlighten!

Very compliments for this forum, I'm new here but I was an old fan of WSIMD from Oslo. I'm writing from Italy so forgive me for my poor English ;) ... I'm a great fan of mainstream movies with AOH scenes and whipping scenes so ... if you need something and looking for some pics or clips, just ask. For me I'm looking to end my collection of the Whipping Comics of SNIDELY WHIPLASH aka Tom Carlson, the one who made funny whipping strips in collaboration with Oslo on WSIMD. I'd like to know if there's other to add to my collections, is here someone that own those pics? I've these ones:

- Bettie Page
- Dakota Territory
- Dan Steel Private Eye (incomplete I think so - the only male whipped on these comics)
- Domino Williams (incomplete - unfinished)
- Flash Gordon
- Island of Doomed Girls (his masterpiece)
- Sally the Slut (incomplete?)
- Star Wars
- The Knout
- Plantation
- ... and some random pictures, apparently not belong to anyone's of the comics stories.

I even modified the whipping scenes on these comics, just to turn them "deluxe" more cruel and bloody ... how I can post a picture here?

Thanks in advance, and compliment again!

To put not too fine a point on it, I have a lot of acquaintances who enjoy GIMP flicks, but I would not consider a single one of them a real-life sadist. That is a characteristic that reveals itself in any number of small ways and--without needlessly throwing stones here--I think it would creep me out in someone I personally interacted with daily. The beauty of the Internet is that I cannot see those day-to-day personal tells that might or might not exist in forum members, so as far as I am concerned, until they boldly state otherwise, I see them as I see myself. And honestly, it makes little difference either way. Internet acquaintances are different from real-life acquaintances in a number of aspects. I could debate at length whether I know one or the other "better," but I definitely know them "differently." And I enjoy the differences of opinion as much as I enjoy the similarities in taste.

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Fog Man: Welcome! A new follower as opposed to a long-time lurker? Excellent. I hope you continue to post to the forum.

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sirp2000: If you'll scroll back down a ways, you'll come across a discussion about archiving the daily pics. Ralphus doesn't do it so that folks have to visit at least once a day to see what's new, or miss out on the picture. Quite the clever GIMP bastard he is to do that, I think. Of course, since I already visit numerous times a day, his little ploy doesn't work on me. Bwahahahahaha.

to Lynn:

Thanks for the female point of view and for the great role-play idea of being forced to give up passwords. My husband and I tried it and it was fun. My credit cards are intact ;)

I'd like to add to the forced orgasm topic as well. I think that women have a much greater tolerance for pain and therefore you guys associate too much value to its use. Ever had a waxing? How about getting up an hour earlier than you guys every morning just to do our hair and make up? These are regular events, so we don't even need to discuss childbirth.

We're more complex, emotional creatures by nature and the psychological humiliation of being forced to orgasm crosses that line which Lynn refers to in our minds that we've been taught never to cross. In my mind at least, it makes me feel like a slut, as you guys would derisively call a female who wants it and even begs for it.

And if you think about it, it's this shield of perceived dignity for a woman that is mistaken for aloofness or rejection by the man and thus leads to his wanting to subdue her and have his way. This is our natural animal instinct and can be traced all the way back to cave man getting frustrated and finally grabbing the woman by the hair and dragging her back to his cave. When reason fails, we fall back on our natural instinct for aggression.

So yes, I find it more painful to be humiliated than to be whipped. The sting of the whip is temporary, but the memories of humiliation haunt for a lifetime. That being said, I have to agree that it doesn't make for very good drama in a movie setting, so I understand Ralphus and the others who don't care for the forced orgasm in a film. But in a book, like "The Fifty Shades of Grey", those emotions can be played out in words and it's much more effective.

to Ralphus:

I very much enjoyed your short movies. What made you give it up?

to Richard: I believe that any time you label someone, you're always right and you're always wrong. People are too complicated to be labeled by a single word.

It takes a certain patience and special skill, I think for a guy to use a vibrator on a woman for one thing, and second to repeatedly bring her to the brink of climax and then pull back.

Adding the threat of a severe whipping to climaxing too soon also adds to it. I have found myself screaming, and in real agony as I have been tied to the bed, naked, and repeatedly teased and denied... and you get to a point to were you will do ANYTHING to get that release... Add in an anal plug, or even better BEADS which are pulled out right at the moment of climax, and I can tell you the pleasure is unbelievable.

So, guys, if you are wanting to introduce your lady to bondage games, and you want her to like it, and beg you for it, teasing and denial will addict her quite quickly. Adding some toys... such as feathers, vibrators, anal play, and so forth will really make her go wild. There are different types of orgasms we can have... clitoral, vaginal, and anal, or a combination of the three... the ONLY time in my life I have had all three at ONE TIME was while being tied and teased. You give your girl one of those, and she will be your slave! :)

A Canadian: Thanks for the nice review of Voodoo Dolls. Sorry it took me a couple days to respond, I had some stuff going on over the weekend and into Monday.

I think the grade is fair and your descriptions and pictures are excellent. I really appreciate you taking the time to do it. Well Done!

Rick

I shall be delighted to respond to the several matters that are outstanding in your posts. I had delayed as there seemed to be few/none on this site that were interested in pursuing these issues. But as one of the 'select' three(!), I shall take it upon myself to comment shortly.

To Distressed Damsel. Your post is about your pleasure (for which, of course, I do not criticize you!), but not about forced orgasm that is a true torture/torment. We sadists seek real distress!

To Nia. Please forgive me for the strength of my response but these issues are of profound importance to me; indeed, existentially defining.

'Any time that you label someone, you are always right, always wrong.' This is intellectually flabby. Definitions, distinctions are fundamental to our engagement with the world. We cannot operate without such characterizations. And black is not white.

To John Galt. I had thought that I had made clear that my belief is exactly that matters are not black and white. 'Watching actual cruelty and watching a realistic depiction, at the end of it all the victim still looks hot and sexy, covered with sweat and tears but not blood and bruises. Well, maybe a few discrete bruises.' How is this not sadism?

I wish the people who made Maleficarum would do such a movie in a modern almost medical setting like a modern operating room which is designed specifically for torture. I would do it myself but as far as I know it's illegal to film something like that in Canada.

As for Barbarella, I have the original comic book from France and the machine in the drawings is quite different but also really good. I so love rape and torture machine videos.

You are like a breath of fresh air!

I have been teasing, tormenting torturing and screwing young women for over 50 years but neither I nor any other man alive can truthfully say we "understand" the workings of the female mind...especially in how you are connected to your most sexually sensitive areas.

I am married to an incredibly beautiful woman who has worked very hard to get and maintain her exquisitely erotic body...(@ 5'6" and 125 lbs. she's 50-24-36)...primarily because looking as she does sexually excites most young men and when she chooses to...Cock-Teasing guys rather boldly can...(and have)...pushed them to the point that they become willing to do ANYTHING to get their hands on her and their cock in her.

She does so because she craves being forcibly taken by men she does not know...to some ominous looking place where they then concentrate their torture of her on her superb EE breasts and her pussy...before and while they virtually rape her.

When they are finally drained of cum, testosterone and strength and/or Danielle is so dehydrated and exhausted she simply can't respond...she is returned to where she was taken (or some other safe place) and left to "collect" herself and go home.

*When she has been sufficiently intoxicated to reveal her real feelings she has made the statement: "Honey, if those cruel, sadistic young Bastards actually BELIEVE they're REALLY raping me...believe me, I really AM BEING RAPED!"

While engaged in private conversation with younger women I have heard her also state" "Let me tell you...THERE'S NO DROP-DEAD-GORGEOUS girl out there with the kind of body that makes guys crazy who will ever know what it is like to be REALLY fucked...until she's RAPED by two or three guys who tease and torture her to the point that she's so hot she's begging them for a cock! You can count on that!"

Ladies, Danielle also has an extremely complex job and makes quite a lot of money at it because she has earned the position and salary so she is not emotionally out of balance in any way...she's in fact quite the opposite. However, she has NEVER been willing or perhaps able, to verbally communicate even to me, what happens...what she feels or why, when it comes to her driving desire to be forced to the point of being nearly insane from being sexually and "sensually" but very sadistically tortured...teased to the point of orgasms she is then not allowed to have and in general, driven nearly insane from the ultimate confusion of finding herself screaming in pain while at the same time she is so incredibly aroused sexually that her pussy is literally dripping.

If any of you can...PLEASE tell me if you or any young woman you know have ever entertained fantasies or actually experienced anything like this...but more importantly...WHAT DID OR DO YOU FEEL...what scares you or what turns you on so powerfully you can't control your own body's responses and what kind of painful stimulation makes you "go there"?

To one and all..THIS WOULD BE A DESOLATE WORLD IF IT WERE NOT FOR WOMEN LIKE LYNN-MIA-DAMSEL-IN -DISTRESS AND DANIELLE so we best all be damn grateful! Bye!

You wrote:

I had thought that I had made clear that my belief is exactly that matters are not black and white.

Uh...sorry, no. Right before you wrote that, you also wrote:

Definitions, distinctions are fundamental to our engagement with the world. We cannot operate without such characterizations.

So I find myself still confused about what exactly it is that you are trying to get across.

Perhaps the nub of the dilemma lies in the definition you provided:

Sadism; shorter OED, 'pleasure derived from inflicting or watching cruelty'; NB 'watching'!

Watching what?

cru•el•ty

n. pl. cru•el•ties
1. The quality or condition of being cruel.
2. Something, such as a cruel act or remark, that causes pain or suffering. NB, pain, suffering.
3. (Law) The infliction of physical or mental distress, especially when considered a determinant in granting a divorce.NB, physical or mental distress
- American Heritage Dictionary

cruelty
n pl -ties
1. deliberate infliction of pain or suffering
2. the quality or characteristic of being cruel
3. a cruel action
4. (Law) Conduct that causes danger to life or limb or a threat to bodily or mental health, on proof of which a decree of divorce may be granted
- Collins English Dictionary - Complete and Unabridged

If the words sadism and cruelty are as all-encompassing as you imagine them to be, then how is one to distinguish the purpose for which you are using them?.

I'm reminded of a relative who referred to her mother-in-law as a "terrorist". If the word terrorist can mean whatever we want it to mean, it means nothing.

I have to agree with John Galt when he says,

The OED definition notwithstanding, I will posit that most folks would draw a distinction between watching actual cruelty and watching a realistic depiction of cruelty.

Now that is a distinction that describes my engagement with the world. If it is not yours, fine. So be it.

But don't you think it's odd, and a bit ironic, that someone who thinks there is no black and white is ready to quickly judge the folks who post on this site by calling them sadists? I think the people on this board are sufficiently capable and intelligent that they can define themselves, assuming that they want to be defined at all. I certainly will not be defined by anyone.

By the way, here's another word you may care to look up.

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Coming from the perspective of one who watches mostly mainstream GIMPage, I can honestly say that I've never seen any of the performers in these movies use a "safe word."

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Sadism: At the risk of sounding punctilious (I was checking out the synonyms for pedantic), I don't think I'm a sadist. Nor do I think I would want to be one. As The Dude might say, "that must be exhausting."

I am not a sadist because I enjoy watching graphic war movies like "Saving Private Ryan" where real life like scenes of men being killed by being blown apart, burnt up, cut to pieces and shot up? Or how about CSI TV shows?

I don't believe enjoying watching sexy naked ladies being bound and tortured (not real torture) makes you a sadist either. Masochist maybe yes but sadist if it's not real torture I am not so sure you can say any Gimper is a true sadist. Bill K.

But I agree with Bill K., she looks like she may be asleep.

Still beautiful, though.

There MUST be charming and perhaps kinky ladies who look at this forum. You can inform and educate we who lust after your helplessness by just laying it out without holding anything back. I am STILL learning and there is no source in the world better than a women willing to tell me what terrifies beautiful...vulnerable women the most? What do YOU or women you know or have known...fear having done to you because you are really afraid you'd come to like it?

I'm sure I've said enough so PLEASE...teach this old dog some new tricks...subtle or overt or mechanical...etc.

I will add this for those of you who wish to think about: I attribute my incredible success in finding...then getting exceptionally gorgeous young women in my hands because I really DO empathize with them. I ponder what it is like to be a girl and try to feel what she feels like since forever...I would LOVE to have Danielle's body and be able to feel everything she (or you) feels...yet retain my MALE brain at the same time! That way I'd learn the secrets of the absolute BEST ways to sexually torment and torture beautiful women! Hey...laugh if you want but Gentlemen...just think how much better we would be able to fuck or RAPE "them" if we could experience having a PUSSY just once!

Later friends...

Nia wrote:

And if you think about it, it's this shield of perceived dignity for a woman that is mistaken for aloofness or rejection by the man and thus leads to his wanting to subdue her and have his way. This is our natural animal instinct and can be traced all the way back to cave man getting frustrated and finally grabbing the woman by the hair and dragging her back to his cave. When reason fails, we fall back on our natural instinct for aggression.

You make a good point. Traditionally, men are the more aggressive sex. And most guys don't understand how women think, we just know we want them. They're frustrating creatures to us, and yet so alluring that we can't resist them. Some guys are skilled in talking to them and getting them to do things for us, but your average guy is clueless and more or less only understands knocking them over the head with a club and having his way with them. I'm speaking metaphorically, of course, but the concept is basically correct. Women are often seen as objects to be conquered, so I totally understand why pictures and videos of them tied up and victimized have such appeal.

You also wrote:

I very much enjoyed your short movies. What made you give it up?

Thanks for the kind words. Basically I was one of those who had Major League dreams but only Minor League talent. Simply put, I didn't think I was good enough, so after playing out the string and getting my degree in Film Production, I decided not to pursue it as a career and never picked up another movie camera again.

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The sadism argument: I think this is very interesting discussion, kind of like when we had the poll question a few years ago about whether or not we hate women. Why is being called a sadist such a bad thing? I don't know about the rest of you, but yeah, I'm a sadist. I also think I'm a basically a good person. And I don't hate women, either. But since we're consulting the Internet dictionary website, check out this definition.

sa·dism (sdzm, sdz-)

1. The deriving of sexual gratification or the tendency to derive sexual gratification from inflicting pain or emotional abuse on others.
2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from cruelty.
3. Extreme cruelty.

I would say the first two definitely would be a yes from me. I'm much more of a watcher than a doer, but I'm thinking back to my experience with the woman I met online, where I hooked up with her in a series of very real role-plays where I "abducted" her, tied her up and tortured her in various ways. Did I experience "sexual gratification from inflicting pain"? Oh, you betcha.

Granted, there's a difference between real life and fantasy, but does watching bad things happen to women in stories, pictures and movies turn me on? Absolutely. I'm a sadist. And really, you can sugercoat it any way you want, but if you like seeing sadistic things done to women, I'm not sure what else you would call it. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one here.

In fact, let's make this an official poll question.

GIMP POLL:
Do you think watching...and enjoying...sadistic entertainment makes you a "sadist"?

This could be quite interesting. Let's hear what you have to say.

Forced Orgasms: I thought this discussion took a rather sudden turn when folks (including a triumvirate of cool and worldly distaff types) put it in context of RL sex-play. I've got some pretty extreme fantasies (or so I've been told) but my bedroom GIMP experiences have been decidedly moderate. There's a reason for that: few women consent to participating in games which leave them permanently scarred or mortally wounded. Gory make-up? Sure. Playing dead? No problem. But it's weird how no one wants to be killed for real. In my experience, it's been pretty much unanimous.

So... unless we're willing to cross the line into criminal activity, isn't real life GIMP play always consensual by definition? And if that's the case, how can anything be forced on the "victim"? That would include both denial and imposition of climax. If she wants it, doesn't that mean it's ultimately pleasurable, even if it causes pain, humiliation, or discomfort? If she (really) doesn't want it, why are you doing it? Once you put any GIMP act in context of real life sexcapades, forcing your partner to do or not do anything against her will is at best a thoughtless turn-off and at worst immoral and illegal. Or am I missing something here?

GIMP depicted in film isn't all that different. How many of us would be able to enjoy a video if we knew the actresses (really) were being forced to do what we were watching? We believe, and expect that the women's participation is completely consensual. That said - and here's the crux of the matter for me - many of us don't want the characters to acknowledge this. It breaks the fourth wall and destroys the illusion. That's why "whip me harder" and tacked-on "I'm-fine-thanks" interviews can wreck the fun. It's also why forced orgasms can be problematic: the victim appears to be enjoying herself, revealing the consent which some prefer to remain concealed.

Sadists: Same deal here. Some are arguing that the label demands that the bearer enjoy real-life cruelty - that delighting in the staged depiction of a sadistic fantasy by consenting adults somehow absolves one of being put into such (gasp) vile company. Sorry, but I don't buy it. Sadism is a pretty well-established sexual proclivity, and one doesn't have to witness actual suffering to know it's in your make-up any more than someone who is gay needs to witness real-world homosexual acts to know he or she is cheering for the other team.

Based on that reasoning, I'll be the first to vote in the latest poll with a definite YES.

Super 8 Films: I really enjoyed these, Ralphus, and it's too bad you let your doubts crush the dream. Sadly, it's an all-too-common story for many of us. On the other hand, several of today's renowned directors (including Spielberg and Abrams) were shooting this sort of thing on Super 8 in the 70's. Funny how we never see their early efforts on Youtube. I'm sure your work would stand up well against their's - if only they would have your courage to share it.

Ralphus wrote:

Heh heh, only a sadist would find this cartoon funny

I guess I'm not a sadist after all.

I was thinking sadistic torturing of animals and humans for the FUN of it was sadism too, which I believe now it's two totally different things. So forget what I said in my last post. Bill K.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duel_(1971_film)

It was Spielberg's feature film directing debut which started his film making career. Bill K.

http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Sex%20and%20GID%20Lit%20Reviews/Paraphilias/KRUEGERSADISMDSM.pdf

The most recent version of the diagnostic criteria for sexual sadism are:

A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving acts (real, not simulated) in which the psychological or physical suffering (including humiliation) of the victim is sexually exciting to the person (that should cover pretty much everyone here).

B. The person has acted on these sexual urges with a nonconsenting person, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.

But here's the kicker: "They remain unable to substitute normal sexual behavior for them."

So I guess if you can get off with a partner WITHOUT having to tie/torture or imagine same, you're "OK" (the technical term used by psychiatrists the world over.)

Perhaps. Or it might make one a masochist!

As for me.....a key passage in the definition of sadism that you posted is ("REAL, NOT SIMULATED"). I for one have no interest in witnessing an actual act of sadism, such as a film of a sexual assault or torture. I am in no way attracted to it. I am repulsed by it and want it to stop. Am I a sadist for watching Mel Gibson being tortured in Lethal Weapon (OK, Bad Example)?

As for "They remain unable to substitute normal sexual behavior for them.", I'm not sure I disagree with that either. I hope that I don't reach a point where watching a real or depicted act of sadism is the only thing that matters to me.

Not that many weeks ago, some on the forum reacted to the use of the words "sick fucks" in a manner that suggests that there are those who are bothered by the term and those who are not -- either seeing the word as a "fun" term (as I do) or as an accurate description of their mental state. Call me the ultimate rationalizer of you will, I do not see my attraction to fantasy GIMP as sadism.

I still maintain there is a difference between enjoying watching actual cruelty and watching a realistic depiction of cruelty. The difference between inflicting real, nonconsensual pain on a real, nonconsenting person and watching (or participating in, in the case of role-play) a fantasy depiction of same is, to me, obvious. Grand Theft Auto gamers would not just as easily steal cars, run over pedestrians, and shoot innocent bystanders; nor would Call of Duty gamers run around shooting and blowing up people and things. That's not to say that sociopaths don't enjoy those games as a poor substitute for doing the real thing, but not everyone who plays them is a sociopath.

The DSM-IV-R reference petelobo posted refers to Sexual Sadism, as opposed to, say Sadism. I may be reading into that something that is not there, but the modifier seems significant to me. Further googling sent me to a Wikipedia page that discusses Sadistic Personality Disorder, which at one time was in an appendix of the DSM (3rd Edition), but has since been excluded for, it seems to me, political reasons.

The characteristics of Sadistic Personality Disorder describe what I always thought of as sadism, focusing on cruelty and humiliation but without the requisite sexual thrill of Sexual Sadism. I suspect that is an understanding of sadism that Bill K shares with me. It seems that torturers are not sadists unless they get off on it sexually. The good news is, according to the DSM folks, there is a "relatively low prevalence rate of [Sadistic Personality Disorder] in many settings." Reading the news daily, I find that hard to believe, but a bunch of psychologists can't be wrong. Right?

Even so, I have known a few people that I considered sadists, and their proclivities easily go beyond liking rape and horror movies. So no, I do not think that enjoying sadistic movies rises to the level of making someone a functioning sadist.

Unless you enjoy acting these scenes out with non-consensual partners, you're not a sadist. I enjoy watching "Law & Order", it doesn't make me a murderer - or worse yet, a lawyer.

Fritz wrote:

How many of us would be able to enjoy a video if we knew the actresses (really) were being forced to do what we were watching? We believe, and expect that the women's participation is completely consensual. That said - and here's the crux of the matter for me - many of us don't want the characters to acknowledge this.

He's right, of course. I've lurked on this site for a couple of years now and read discussions on consensual vs. non- and laughed. It's all consensual and you understand that - except in your fantasy. You're not a sadist if you can separate the two.

Ralphus wrote:

Traditionally, men are the more aggressive sex. And most guys don't understand how women think, we just know we want them. They're frustrating creatures to us, and yet so alluring that we can't resist them. Some guys are skilled in talking to them and getting them to do things for us, but your average guy is clueless and more or less only understands knocking them over the head with a club and having his way with them.

It's more than a tradition - it's nature. Just watch two rams butting heads while the female munches away on a tuft of grass. Males are stronger physically, but simpler mentally. Our strength is figuring you out (easy enough). Our advantage is that we're too complicated mentally for guys to figure out and sadly, most women take advantage of that fact. Thus, there is frustration on the part of the male and eventually aggression.

Men are straight line thinkers and women think in circles (think cycle). Just when you think you've figured us out, the cycle changes and the line and the circle no longer intersect. We don't do it on purpose, it's a hormonal response. It's no wonder guys are frustrated and there are times when I don't blame them. I frustrate my husband all the time and I feel bad about it, but it's out of my control.

to Blakemore:

I'm flattered you noticed me, even if you got my name wrong.

It appears that you're looking for a physical trigger, but the trigger is mental. A woman's mind is the most sexual organ in her body - by far. You seem to have an instinctual way of getting into a woman's head that some guys are just born with.

I would also add that each woman will have a different mental trigger, based on her life experience.

I'm a submissive because of Sister Mary Elephant chastising me as a "slut" because of my hairstyle and my parent's strict religious upbringing. As a result, I find it difficult to reach orgasm during vanilla sex as something in my subconscious always ruins the moment for me with overwhelming guilt. Logically I know that there's nothing wrong with enjoying sex with my husband, but I can't overcome the guilt enough to reach orgasm, although it's very enjoyable.

Being tied down and "forced", even if it's in a role-play situation, frees me from the subconscious guilt and suddenly I'm multi-orgasmic. Unfortunately, it seems that I require more intensity after a while, so I need to be whipped or suspended, etc. When the pain overwhelms the guilt, I'm good to O. I suspect that this needing more each time is also the case with your wife Danielle. As to why she wants it, that's in her own mind and in her own past. I can only speak for myself.

Obviously, I've had some therapy.

To Fog Man- my favorite is comic book whippings too. You and I should really get in touch with each other. You have my e-mail address. Take care. Robert

Before sending my comments on recent posts off into the Aether, I would like to acquaint you with my horoscope for today.

'There is no arguing that during tricky periods, taking a light approach can achieve wonders. Still, be cautious what you say. Others are so uptight that they may misinterpret certain ideas as promises or, worse, jests as something to be taken seriously. Keep discussions simple.' There is, of course, a deficiency of sense here. But who am I to argue with the stars?

My Dear Nia. I am genuinely sorry that you have felt therapy to be necessary.

My Dear Margot. Here I am, having dragged myself away from drooling over images of naked women, tortured or not. (Now, who do you think are the images over which I have drooled most copiously? But, I beseech you not to reveal this secret of my soul, to which you are privy, to the harsh world or, at least, that part of it that frequents this site!). I shall respond and continue our exchange but several issues of greater urgency have supervened.

My Dear Fritz. I think that it is with you that I feel the greatest agreement about these issues of sadism (and, perhaps, with Ralphus too). But you touch upon a fundamental paradox at the heart of BDSM activity to which I wish to reply at length (!). That response must, also, be deferred.

My Dear YikYakker. Definitions are black and white and need to be so. A Martian landing on Earth may see little difference between a carrot and a parsnip (particularly that now white carrots are available!). But most of us find a distinction between these vegetables useful. How much more so with 'love', 'pride', 'shame', 'sadism'.

My observation that some crucial issues are not black and white referenced an exchange that I had begun with Margot about the spectrum of reality from acting, responding to that acting, to real emotions, to the total dramatic experience; both for the actors and the audience. All this, given the nature of the films under discussion, in the immediate context of pain, cruelty, torture and abuse.

I think that much of the difference between us lies in your belief that by defining those on this site as 'sadists', I am judging them. This is as far from the truth of my position as could be.

The OED definition that I used is entirely nonjudgmental. In contrast, Webster's Dictionary defines 'sadism' as a 'perversion'! That is judgmental.

I came into active BDSM experience as an ardent, passionate masochist. I am now an ardent, passionate sadist. In between, for many, many years, I was both contemporaneously. As an individual for whom these experiences were/are self-defining; for whom they provided many of the most exciting, satisfying and unique aspects of my life; which I regard as gifts to be cherished; I shall never be anything other than entirely positive.

As an individual who quoted a classical Roman author in Latin (although I did kindly provide an English translation!) I can live with being called a pedant. Indeed, as an old-fashioned academic, I wear the characterization with pride.

Ralphus, I think, asked, 'Do you think that watching and enjoying sadistic entertainment makes you a sadist?' How can it be anything other? What are the psychological mechanisms of that enjoyment?

So yes, I find it more painful to be humiliated than to be whipped. The sting of the whip is temporary, but the memories of humiliation haunt for a lifetime. That being said, I have to agree that it doesn't make for very good drama in a movie setting....

I have to strongly disagree. I love humiliation scenes in movies.

I will have more to say on this tomorrow when I post my next review.

I think that much of the difference between us lies in your belief that by defining those on this site as 'sadists', I am judging them. This is as far from the truth of my position as could be.

No, I do not think that by defining those on this site as sadists, you are judging them. My position is that people on this site, as I stated clearly, are capable of defining themselves. They should not be put in a box called "sadism" by someone else, especially when the exact meaning of that word remains ill-defined. It's not about judgment; it's about clarity and self-identity. But thank you for misjudging my position, it helps make my point.

The OED definition that I used is entirely nonjudgmental.

Sure it is, but it is also entirely too vague to be useful, especially when one is trying to use that definition to describe a large group of people with such varying tastes as those who post here.

But at least you engendered a poll question, and that's always good. (Arrgh, was I just being judgmental by using the word "good"?) Not to worry, the ensuing discussion has been an enlightening experience, and will continue to be so.

BTW, you might want to rethink the whole pedant thing. Pedants run the risk of falling in love with their own words and ideas, and as many of us have experienced in our own lives, sometimes love can be blind.

Cheers.

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Alrighty then, on to the poll question:

Do you think watching...and enjoying...sadistic entertainment makes you a "sadist"?

Well, if we go by the DSM definition, then my answer is no. The field of psychology tends to define things on the basis of their interference with "normal" activities; hence the "kicker" that petelobo pointed out: "They remain unable to substitute normal sexual behavior for [sexual sadism]."

The fact that I lean toward the positions taken by John Galt, Badger, Canadian, et al., strongly affirms my answer to the poll question.

But as someone who tends to be rather "open-ended" in my responses, I'd like to note that there have been some very interesting points made on either side of the issue. It seems that there have been articulated (at least) four dimensions to this "thing" that we call sadism or GIMPism or whatever we want to call it:

~ Fantasy vs. Actuality

~ Watching vs. Doing

~ Violent vs. Non-violent

~ Consensual vs. Non-consensual

Rather than forming discrete positions (either/or), each is really a spectrum (i.e., ranging between more and less). For example, I tend toward Watching Fantasy Violent Non-consensual activity, as well as Doing Actual Non-violent Consensual activity. (One could quibble about "Doing" being the same as "Actual", but we should leave room for those who like to Watch the Actual activity of others who are physically present).

From time to time, some people may move from one "zone" or combination of ingredients to another, but I think it's safe to say that everyone who posts here has his or her own "preferences".

That may not get us closer to defining "sadism", but I hope it's a step toward clarifying the different kinds of preferences we are talking about.

The poll and discussion on when and how women have orgasms is much more interesting I think than sadist or not sadist. Guys what are we doing talking about sadism when the ladies want to talk about having orgasms? Bill K.

Rent the movie Irreversible.

If you enjoy the part where Monica Bellucci is sexually violated, you're a red-blooded GIMPer (although you'd be forgiven for feeling a little uncomfortable watching such a violent rape).

However, if you get aroused watching the next part where the guy beats Monica to a pulp -- you may well be a sadist.

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Bill K. wrote:

Guys what are we doing talking about sadism when the ladies want to talk about having orgasms?

The little guy sets the poll questions. We respond to them. I've never really questioned the natural order of things.

The poll and discussion on when and how women have orgasms is much more interesting I think than sadist or not sadist. Guys what are we doing talking about sadism when the ladies want to talk about having orgasms?

Dude, you can talk about whatever you want around here as long as it's on-topic. Just because we have a poll question going doesn't mean other discussions have to cease. I just thought it was an interesting question and open to interpretation about how we view ourselves.

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YikYakker asked:

Today's cartoon: Is this a thinly-veiled reference to our own Amy Hesketh?

Actually, no. I just thought it was funny. It made me laugh out loud with a bit of sadistic glee. But the Amy thing is an ironic coincidence, since she certainly was "cooking" in the spit-roasting scene I commissioned in Maleficarum.

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"The Irreversible Test:"

If you enjoy the part where Monica Bellucci is sexually violated, you're a red-blooded GIMPer (although you'd be forgiven for feeling a little uncomfortable watching such a violent rape).

However, if you get aroused watching the next part where the guy beats Monica to a pulp -- you may well be a sadist.

You know, it's funny about that film. The first time I saw that scene I was pretty disturbed and thought it went too far. But in subsequent viewings, I've actually grown to enjoy that part of the scene, now that I know it's coming. I'm no longer shocked by it, and I like watching Monica getting beaten up. It's almost the "orgasm" of the scene, as a matter of fact.

Does that mean I'm a sadist? Hey, I already said I was. This just confirms it.

Ralphus is this site any good for gimp?

http://hardtied.com/

I found by this picture:

http://www.stakedamsels.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7749&mode=view

which got my attention. Not sure what that picture is about or what this site is all about. This Hardtied.com has it been discussed here before? Bill K.

I don't know if there's a sadistic threshold line, like the 'Irreversible' test, cross it and you're a sadist. I think it's more likely there are levels of sexual sadism. But really, I don't know. Forcing a woman to strip in public, humiliating her and liking it, is that sadistic? Seems so to me.

Anyway...Forced orgasms. Thumbs up from me. Any type of fantasy involving taking advantage of a woman sexually is thumbs up from me.

What's clear is that sadism is a broad concept, leading me to agree with YikYakker that the term encompasses a range of dimensions. I had just compiled my own list when he posted his more concise (and probably useful) categories. Still, I found that the similarities (and differences) between his breakdown and mine were interesting enough for me to share my thoughts as well. Based on previous posts and what I read online, the dimensions of sadism which struck me include:

• Whether a sadist requires the victim to experience actual pain or whether the appearance of suffering would suffice.
• Whether the pain must be physical or whether it can be psychological as well.
• Whether the pain must be inflicted on an unwilling party or whether consenting victims are included too.
• Whether the pain must be applied in a sexual context or whether it can be inflicted in any manner at all.
• Whether the sadist gains sexual gratification from the experience or whether any form of pleasure counts.
• Whether the preferred victims are human or whether any sentient living things qualify.
• Whether the sadist must act out his fantasy or whether the desire itself is enough.

My own belief is that any or all of these are enough to justify the term. An eight year old kid who enjoys roasting ants under his magnifying glass is a sadist, as is the adult professional who masturbates while watching a naked woman crush crawfish under her stilettos. A man who likes to verbally berate his wife in a non-sexual context is a sadist, as is the professional dominatrix who gets off in the course of her work. A serial killer who inflicts real-life torture and death is a sadist, as is the upstanding citizen who secretly fantasizes about these crimes but would never commit them.

Maybe using a blanket definition like this is taking the easy way out, but for me that's not a problem. Like Ralphus and Richard, I don't mind calling myself a sadist. Those who do can cherry pick only those criteria which don't apply to them and be in denial avoid the label.

But be honest, if you described your GIMP fantasies to a vanilla seatmate on the bus - even if you stressed that you hated to see people suffer in RL - what term would he or she use to describe you? Yeah, yeah... around here you're just a harmless GIMPer, but in the less tolerant real world, that term doesn't exist. If you're not normal folks, others will dub you a SADIST no matter what you choose to call yourself.

http://ziggyred3.tripod.com/burn/firesofchange.htm

if it erotic to you like it is to me then you passed the test. You are a sadist! aaa am I right?? Bill K.

First concerning myself, I can't evaluate my pain threshold, because I have no way to compare it to other women's. Maybe some of the forum's more experienced 'sadists' can tell us about their statistical experience. But, I am not terrified of pain above all else. I have heard other women say, "just show me the whip and I'll tell them ANYthing they want...", but that's not me! For the same reason I cannot evaluate how relatively rough some of the games I've played, are. A couple of them have left my vaginal area numb for a little while, but I think that is 'normal' with electricity. (accidentally sticking your finger in the electric socket will leave your arm numb for a little while also...this is normal and goes away) In any case, I am glad to say that the couple of people that have played with me, with electricity, knew what they were doing (and/or, had the right tools) and no harm (lasting injuries) was done.

My fantasies and play have revolved around 'interrogation' scenarios. In this connection in must be pointed out the pain does not make one talk (if it did, every person with a broken arm would be telling their life stories to the emergency room nurses), fear (of more pain - like getting the other arm broken - if that is one's main fear) does. Furthermore, an expert interrogator takes a 'carrot & stick' approach. And needless to say, if the subject being interrogated is a naked female strapped spread-eagle on a table, the simplest version is - (carrot) orgasm - (stick) intimately applied pain.

Reference the person's comment, who said that he could clearly distinguish between a woman's body writhing in ecstasy and in pain, perhaps. But, what if we are dealing with a 'victim' who gets a certain amount of pleasure from pain? It should be added that part of the strategy for enduring torture is to try to psyche oneself up to get (some) pleasure from what is about to happen. Obviously that is easier for some people (ones with certain 'predilections'), than others.

Speaking of predilections, I completely understand Nia's comment about the desire to be "tied down and "forced" being first and foremost a response to a Puritanical upbringing. I wonder how many women with masochistic tendencies (and there a whole lot of us - but most, very, very, very, privately) came from there; I know I did.

I read a very interesting biological observation which explains the reason why the HUMAN male is 'the more aggressive sex'. The more aggressive sex in EVERY species is the one which expends less energy (precisely measurable in calories expended) on the pro-creation and birthing process. For most species this is the male; but not for all. Of course, in the case of the human species, one does not need to measure calories expended, to figure out that bringing a child into the world costs the female a lot more than the male!

The point about 'humiliation' really not working very well when the contact is with a person who one has already learned to trust enough, to allow them to make one helpless and play these kinds of games, is a valid one; which has its implications. I have been really 'successfully' humiliated twice. The first time was with a boyfriend who I had fairly recently met. We had gotten to the point where I had shared some of my fantasies with him and had allowed him to tie me spread-eagle to the bed. After I was tied, he left and then came back with a 'friend', whom he told, was welcome to 'explore' his new girl-friend. Then he did it with a second guy, too. Actually, the whole process left me very hot and I can even say it was an experience I will always remember as one of the 'exciting moments' in my life. But, even though he provided me with something I really 'liked' and wanted: without admitting it; I dumped him the next day. I still feel somewhat guilty about that, but while he had fantastically fulfilled a fantasy of mine, he had also violated my idea of the 'boyfriend's code'. Sorry Paul!

Finally, I note that a considerable number of the responses dealt with what people wanted to SEE: "... want to see the victim in pain; as I have said, not pleasure." As I have said, what comes across in photos or films is a VERY different issue from what is done, desirable, in r/t games. First off, I'm not sure if this person would say that about a good filmed version of a 'carrot & stick' interrogation. But, on film of course, only what can be seen, counts. And things like humiliation are generally not very visual (though, you might want to check out a film called "Strip Search" (2004) with Maggie Gyllenhall - to see what a really competent, professional actress can do with this situation). In any case, as has been repeated repeatedly in the "do you consider yourself a sadist" discussion that is also taking place at this time; 'we' all only want to see scenes which depict torture that we really know is fake and the actress is really there voluntarily... so: wanting to see the victim in pain; not pleasure; is really only about script writing and acting ability, right?

A few observations.

My Dear Fritz.

I find myself very sympathetic to your analytical approach and I find myself in agreement with nearly all that you write. (That may not make you happy!).

I would myself treat with caution pronouncements from the American Psychiatric Association. Some of their pronouncements, particularly those on homosexuality, are not regarded as very enlightened; not, at least, from the European side of the Atlantic.

My Dear YikYakker.

'My position is that people on this site, as I stated clearly, are capable of defining themselves. They should not be put in a box called 'sadism' by someone else, especially when the exact meaning of that word remains ill-defined. It is not about judgement, it is about clarity and self-identity'.

I would not have thought that it was possible to be clearer and pithier than, 'pleasure derived from inflicting or watching cruelty'. That covers all bases (as I believe they say). I am rather intrigued by your squeamishness in defining people. We characterize, categorize and judge people all the time; are they trustworthy, honest, likely to be punctual; will they be a good lay, will they be a good lover; do I lend them money when asked? Are they racist, liberal, conservative? How often do you take somebody on their own estimation of themself? When I meet an attractive young woman, I certainly hope to be in a position at some stage to judge whether she is a masochist or might be sympathetic to the subject being introduced into the conversation!

A suggestion for another film than 'Irreversible' as a touchstone for being a sadist; what about the original version of 'I Spit on Your Grave'?

I would also affirm Nia's recommendation of 'Strip Search'.

To add more grist to the discussion mill, what are peoples' views on the films produced by Mood Pictures and Elite Pain?

I remember as a little girl watching Penelope Pitstop and wanting to be her. The distress and fear of being helpless did something for me, and it wasn't until I was in college that I really experienced it.

I had let my boyfriend tie me to the bed several times for sex... then tied me to his weight bench, my legs spread widely, my ankles secured to the crossbar over my head. Of course I was naked, and just the position turned me on... I felt a bit of humiliation, excitement, fear at being tied so open and exposed. He blindfolded me.

He took his belt and he whipped me hard between my legs... I can't tell you how much it hurt... I was screaming, in tears... he shredded my limits immediately. I can tell you that I do not seek the pain, and I AM afraid of it, and if I hadn't been tied down, it would have stopped right away, as I was very much begging him to stop.

I don't know how many times he hit me... but my thighs and my sex were buzzing, stinging and hot when he was done. Later on, when I looked at myself in the mirror, I was slightly bruised... but after many strikes, he knelt between my legs and gave me the most amazing oral stimulation... I came so hard. It shocked me, at how good it felt, how amazing it was.

So, there is a combination that I like... I want to be afraid, because I know the pain is going to be intense, but also, a combination of pleasure too... teasing. My nipples are very sensitive, and pinching and pulling, even with just fingers drives me crazy... add in clamps, and I'm in ecstasy. A hard spanking, I like that too... lol.

I also found myself very much turned on with humiliation scenes. My hubby and I use to go to a bondage club (before kids), and being led about, hands cuffed behind, on a leash, naked, sometime covered in his release, a ball gag in my mouth... perhaps a vibrator inside me (we have a remote controlled one... which leads to other things. lol). He could just walk up to some friends and talk about the weather, and I'm gushing... and yes, I would climax right there. So many emotions at once... it was incredibly liberating... which might seem contradictory, but that's the emotion I felt (one of the many).

Guys, if you and your lady are feeling daring, try this for a basic scene. Get a remote controlled vibrator (They are easy to get now on the internet or if you are lucky enough to have an adult store near you), and then take your lady to a restaurant, or some place public and then stimulate her secretly. OMG... having a very intense orgasm while the waitress is taking your order is a singularly sexy, funny experience. For me, it adds in a 'distress' element, as even though I'm not tied up, I am helpless, in that I can't remove the vibrator, and in distress because I'm doing my absolute best not to writhe and moan like a wanton harlot in a public place. But my breathing gets fairly heavy... and I can just feel the heat in my cheeks.

Now, I can tell you my husband LOVES putting me into those kinds of situations and watching me react. Is that sadistic? I think on some level it is... but is it cruelty? No, because I am enjoying it too. We humans have very complex sexuality, and I don't think that it is easy to classify things such as this.

Lynn wrote:

...wanting to see the victim in pain; not pleasure; is really only about script writing and acting ability, right?

That's pretty much the way I look at it...I might add good props and settings, which have been noted by others on this site as essential ingredients.

As with everything else that we've discussed, there are differences of degree.

For example, our esteemed Amy Hesketh stands out as one who bravely pushes performances as far as possible. She has told us about her cuts and bruises and needs for a few days rest and a back massages after these experiences. But Margot has confirmed that Amy makes the call during these shoots...so even as she looks (and feels) helpless and vulnerable on film, there is always present some element of control.

I'm confident Amy would agree that the art of her films lies in engaging the audience to the point where they temporarily feel that what they are watching is really happening. We've 'seen' her tortured and killed many times, and yet miraculously (and fortunately for us as well) she lives to act, produce, direct and post again.

Like watching a magician's trick, I can feel the astonishment; I don't even want to know how the magician manages to make the elephant disappear...it would spoil the illusion. At the same time, I am certain that the elephant did not really vanish in a puff of smoke.

I primarily watch feature films, and when I do there is always this tiny voice buried deep in the recesses of my consciousness that keeps telling me, "It's only a movie, it's only a movie." I ignore it only to the extent that permits me to enjoy the movie, but it keeps me grounded.

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Fritz wrote:

An eight year old kid who enjoys roasting ants under his magnifying glass is a sadist

Well, I guess I'm busted. I could protest that all my little buddies were involved as well, but that would just sound like the old excuse "everyone else is doing it." Maybe I could be like a politician and chalk it up to "youthful indiscretions." ;)

But seriously: I'm not in denial about being a sadist - I just can't accept a label whose meaning is so elusive. Guess I'm a stickler about such things. Color me compulsive.

Nor am I "squeamish" about defining others. I just don't see the point, when there is so much opportunity for inaccuracy.

What I do recognize are "reference points". These are inherent in the lists that I and Fritz put together. Reference points are what I believe are essential to discussion and communication about topics that defy definition.

I'm reminded of the excellent typology Fritz developed when we had a poll question about Lightweight vs. Heavyweight GIMPage. It was a useful tool for thinking and talking about our preferences, but many of us (well, myself especially) were reluctant to call ourselves one thing or another.

In place of definitions I use reference points, in my work and in my everyday life. I find that both are enhanced by doing so.

People react to them; I listen and respond. Learning and insight are enhanced. I can live with that...and in a forum like this, I enjoy it.

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Richard: I guess you and I will never understand one another on this issue, so we might as well agree to disagree.

Oh wait...There is something I agree with you about: Your suggestion of the original I Spit on Your Grave as a 'testing' device.

As in Irreversible (thanks Canadian), the scenes morph from rape to outright brutality. Folks can describe the things that made them feel uncomfortable with what they were viewing, and why.

One might say these two movies provide excellent reference points.

I mentioned a while ago that there was a topic on which I wished to write, a paradox. As my text may be rather long (you lucky people!), and as my keyboard skills are minimal, making even a short post a marathon experience, I thought that I could send my thoughts in parts. So Part I.

I wish to begin that I have had extensive, and intense, experience from both sides of the S & M divide (if there is such a divide). I know of that of which I speak. I write this not to boast but to reassure that I have direct personal insights from both sensibilities.

In recent discussions, it has been much emphasized, entirely properly, that BDSM activity must be a matter of consent at all times, in all circumstances. However, this raises a profound paradox.

All masochists (I almost wrote true m.s, but that might be read as judgmental!), desire to experience a complete loss of control, an utter loss of power, to know that their M/D will do to them and with them entirely as they wish. Inflicting pain is a very good way, but not the only one, of bringing home to someone their complete helplessness.

All (true) sadists wish to be totally in control, to exercise complete power, and to do anything they desire to and with their s/s.

However, as all must be consensual, if the s/s withdraws their consent; at any time, in any way; the activity must cease/ be modified to the s/s's wish. Thus, at all times, the control is with the s/s. This to the profound, indeed indescribable, frustration of both parties.

Can anything be done about this entirely unsatisfactory situation? (As I sit here, I can anticipate cries of, 'Tell, tell,' fluttering through the Aether!).

There are I believe certain strategies, not for the faint-hearted s/s, that can be used. More of these in Part II, and maybe Part III!.

If asked, (see above!), what makes a good/expert M/D, I would not cite experience, imagination, empathy, (as important as these are; particularly the last). I would say that it is the ability to make, as far as possible, the paradox to disappear, to be absent from the mind of both; particularly, of course, that of the s/s. How to do this is difficult to explain and probably can be left aside here. I would say that I never, if it can be avoided, ask a potential s/s their appetites and desires, what they wish to experience. I like to know their BDSM soul indirectly. Thus one can take them by surprise. Although, as Dis. Dam. reminds us, it is best to be sure that the surprise does not arise from an action that can be seen to breach trust.

I understand that for many all this will be far too intense; most definitely not what they seek. But often in life (even vanilla life!), it is the more extreme situations that focus the crucial issues.

From my perspective, I think it's a good thing Kirara Hoshizaki doesn't look too much like a school girl. She does look attractive in the caps and much of the activity in the film is the kind of stuff I like. It's a shame she wasn't restrained in the rape scene, but that's an all-too-common problem these days.

I took a look around but I also couldn't find any signs of the DVD being available on this side of the Pacific. Too bad.

I'm familiar with Baby Entertainment; they're pretty much exclusively all about using vibrators to bring on forced orgasms. That's clearly something I've railed against once or twice on this forum. If I were the one reviewing this movie, for instance, the review would probably be a lot shorter.

0:00 minutes: Ralphus puts DVD into player, presses play

1:00 minutes: Ralphus hits fast-forward button

2 hours, 55 minutes: Ralphus ejects DVD, puts in a classic Randa Mai Attackers DVD instead

I did find a source for your movie, though, the official Baby Baby Baby website. I'm sure there's others out there who don't have the overt bias against vibrators that I do. It's for them that I added a link to your official review page in my Homepage URL.

BTW, their website does have an interesting link you can click on, presumably a club you can sign up for that makes you a member of their site. I don't know if this is a joke, but the English translation is CLUB THE BABY! Check it out: http://www.baby-baby-baby.cc/sys/club.jsp?33446 You've just gotta love that.

...he said it had a naked oil-covered bondage babe. Three of my favorite situations for hot babes to be in.

But sitting through a three-hour movie in order to bring us a review? Man, that's really "taking one for the team." There should be some kind of award for that. I'm glad you found it entertaining.

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This story immediately called to mind Blakemore's magic thistle serum.

Funny how they put this in the financial section of the site.

Title: New Teacher Gets Violated (HBAD-186)

Starring: Ichika Kuroki

Produced by: Hibino

Running time: Two hours

Bondage hardliners may not care for this one -- there isn't a rope or a pair of handcuffs in the entire thing. But New Teacher Gets Violated is a terrific GIMP movie for fans of sexual assault and public humiliation.

Pretty Ichika Kuroki plays the young teacher, and she's great. She's a strong actress whose portrayals of anguish and shame are convincing and very arousing.

The storyline is straight-forward and fun. Ichika is trying to teach English to a class of young men. Unfortunately, the class is mostly made up of under-achievers who are only interested in Ichika's womanly charms. They're especially taken with Ichika's short, tight skirts and her booty -- they practically drool when Ichika is writing on the blackboard or bending over a student's desk.

As Ichika is walking through the classroom teaching a lesson, the leader of the hoods lifts the back of Ichika's skirt to get a better peak at the goods. Outraged, Ichika orders the offender to stay after school.

After class, Ichika enters the classroom to speak to the guy in detention. She discovers he's there with a friend and the clowns are reading magazines and lounging in their chairs. Frustrated, Ichika tries to lecture them. But the hoods are hot for teacher. They stand up and tell Ichika they want closer student-teacher relations.

They block Ichika from leaving the room, and then grab her and maul her. The villains pin Ichika against the blackboard and one guy threatens to jab her with a poisoned pen. With Ichika pinned and threatened, the lead villain forces kisses on Ichika and lifts Ichika's skirt so he can rub her pussy area (covered by panties and nylons).

Ichika breaks free and tries to flee. But two more guys enter the classroom and block her, with one guy forcing her onto the floor. Ichika stands up and makes another attempt to flee but she is surrounded by all four villains. One guy grabs Ichika from behind and holds her as the lead hood removes Ichika's jacket.

As the villains restrain Ichika, the leader sticks his hand in her blouse to play with her tits, and he again rubs her pussy area. The leader also forces more kisses on Ichika.

The lead hood uses scissors to cut open Ichika's blouse and to cut off her bra. Ichika pleads with the villains to stop as the leader cuts one bra strap, then the other, and then cuts open the front of the bra. The leader dangles the remains of the bra in front of Ichika's face as Ichika softly curses him.

The villains continue restraining Ichika as the leader tweaks the teacher's nipples and fondles Ichika's small breasts. Ichika begs the villains to stop but the hoods aren't listening. As Ichika continues to be restrained, the lead hoodlum leans down and sucks on struggling Ichika's left tit.

Ichika panics when she sees the lead villain unzip his fly. She breaks free and runs to the back of the class but she is still trapped. Three of the guys grab Ichika and force her down on the floor. The three villains pin Ichika face down on the floor. The lead villain joins in, pulling down Ichika's nylons and pushing her panties to the side so he can play with Ichika's ass and finger her pussy.

The fiends turn Ichika over and pin her on her back. The lead guy crawls on top of Ichika, sucks Ichika's tits, and forces kisses on her. The lead hood rips off Ichika's nylons and pulls off her panties, so he can lick the trapped beauty's pussy and finger her. Ichika struggles to break free but she is firmly pinned and helpless. The lead hoodlum mounts Ichika as the teacher cries out in anguish.

After some quality time pumping Ichika, the rapist stands up and two other villains force Ichika to kneel in front of him and blow him. Ichika is forced to give some deep-throat action to her violator.

The villains move Ichika to a desk and force her to lean forward across the desk, to be raped in a standing position. Once again, Ichika is firmly restrained by two villains while the leader of the hoodlums nails Ichika (the fourth guy in the room isn't seen at this point -- we'll get back to him shortly).

The lead hoodlum finishes by cumming on Ichika's ass. The villains then slowly march out of the classroom as distraught Ichika gathers her clothes and kneels against a chair to sob.

In the teacher's lounge, Ichika is confronted by the fourth guy from her rape, who disappeared off-screen. In fact, he was taking pictures of the action. The guy shows Ichika a cell-phone picture of her being violated over the desk. He then forces Ichika to let him have his own kinky way with her.

This guy, who's a bit gawky, is more perverted than his buddies. Rather than the old in-out, he prefers to rub his groin against women. He pushes Ichika up against a filing cabinet and, standing behind her, rubs his clothed crotch area against her clothed behind. The perv pulls down Ichika's nylons -- which Ichika tries to stop -- drops his own pants, and rubs his dick inside Ichika's panties and against her butt. The guy pulls off Ichika's panties (again, Ichika tries to fight it) and rubs his dick against her butt cheeks, her ass crack and against (but not inside) her pussy lips. Clearly enjoying himself, the guy pants like a dog in heat as he molests Ichika.

The gawky pervert turns Ichika around to face him. He rubs his dick against her pussy lips while forcing kisses on her, including some tongue dipping. Ichika is then forced to drop to her knees and suck the perv, and the guy finishes by cumming in her mouth.

Back in the classroom, Ichika makes another attempt to teach the class. But the hoods prefer show and tell. Specifically, they want Ichika to do a strip tease. To make matters worse, the few good students in the class back the hoods' demand to see some skin.

To press their case, the students show Ichika their cell-phone pictures of her being raped. Ichika still resists, so the hoods up the ante. They bring in a hostage, an older teacher who is a friend of Ichika's, and threaten to hurt the older teacher.

Ichika cries out for the students to stop threatening the older teacher. Reluctantly, Ichika announces she'll do a burlesque number.

At the front of the class, nine desks have been sealed together with duct tape to create a mock stripper stage. Ichika uses a chair to climb up to the "stage," where she makes her way to the center.

With Ichika's students assembled in front, it's showtime.

Ichika does some of her best acting here. She fidgets and tries to cover herself with her arms, looking embarrassed and disgraced as the lead hoodlum orders her to strip off each item of clothing.

   

The best moment occurs after Ichika removes her bra. She covers her breasts with her right arm and takes a deep breath before lowering her arm to show her boobies. The viewer can see Ichika's torment as her self-worth dissolves.

Standing naked before her students, Ichika is told the show ain't over. She is ordered to put her shoes back on (she removed them while stripping) and get down on all fours, like a dog. Ichika looks shocked and struggles with the command. But with her older friend still being threatened, she makes her way down to her hands and knees.

Ichika is ordered to do a lap around the stage on all fours. She is then told to position herself -- on all fours -- to show her pussy and butt to the audience. Adding to the entertainment, Ichika is ordered to sway her ass side to side in a slow and sexy way.

Ichika is asked to leave the stage and sit in a chair, where three students gather around her and start feeling her up. Whimpering Ichika tries to wave their hands away, but a guy holding the older teacher threatens to punch the older lady in the head. Forced to comply, Ichika lets the guys play with her tits and stroke her body and legs.

The guys pry open Ichika's legs, with Ichika protesting, and the lead hood orders Ichika to use her hands to spread her pussy lips. Ichika quietly pleads for the humiliation to stop, but complies. The lead guy kneels in front of Ichika and leans in to lick her pussy and finger her, while the others watch. Ichika squirms and struggles but ultimately climaxes.

The fiends keep Ichika's legs open and bring a vibrator into the scene. They force the older hostage-teacher to use the vibrator on Ichika. As the students keep Ichika's legs spread and feel her up, the vibrator works its magic and brings Ichika to another orgasm.

Ichika is yanked out of the chair and forced to kneel on the floor. Two guys approach, drop their pants, and Ichika is forced to blow them. Ichika is then moved into a doggie position and is forced to blow one guy while the other guy rubs his dick against her ass. One guy cums on her ass while the other cums in her mouth. The students leave and the scene ends with the older teacher using a paper towel to wipe cum off Ichika's chin, as the two teachers softly cry.

In the movie's final segment, Ichika and the older teacher are confronted about the improper activities taking place in Ichika's classroom. This leads to Ichika being forced to suck and fuck a school administrator who has a lube that apparently makes Ichika horny. The final segment didn't do much for me.

My grade: A

This movie has more than its share of great moments. While the final segment doesn't work, the first 90 minutes are solid, with strong rape scenes and some excellent depictions of public shaming. In fact, some highlights didn't get capped (eg., Ichika's clothes being cut off with scissors) because there was too much to choose from. Pretty Ichika is excellent as the victim. For fans of this type of film, New Teacher Gets Violated is highly recommended.

I have a question for all the girls and hope some of you can give me your insight about my "dilemma"...which centers around "consensual" vs. "non-consensual.

When Danielle goes on one of her solo-outings to various night-spots populated predominantly by single young men she dresses to look like a guy's fantasy of a real "Fuck-Me-Toy" come true. As the evening wears on and the effects of alcohol add-up she gets bolder and more and more "lascivious...lewd...and blatant with her cock-teasing as she's a master of "accidentally" showing off her smoothly shaved pussy when she mounts a bar-stool etc. *(It would perhaps help you to know her better to know that when we are in Jamaica the local girls and guys assume she is of mixed race because of the way she moves her body. She can put on quite a show!) My point is, she's "consenting" to use her gorgeous body and those breasts to make two (or often 3) guys think they're going to "have" her...then leave them at a point where they are so hot for her they are potentially capable of seeking "revenge".

This is where I...(being this older Gentleman)...quietly informs them that I've not only seen the crap she pulled, I've been watching her for a couple of months and know more than enough about her to know she is VULNERABLE and that this is the night I'm going to take the bitch to a place I have that's safe and torture her until she begs for my cock. If they want, they can come along, just to watch if nothing else...AND YOU WOULD BE ASTONISHED at how willing very young men are to participate in the abduction...torture and rape of Danielle. (And who can blame them?)

She "consents" to sashay her fine ass out into the night to go to her car which she's parked in some dark desolate place and seems oblivious to the van she passes until she is quickly dragged into the pitch-dark interior. Within seconds her wrists are cuffed behind her back...her ankles are cuffed and she's gagged and hooded.

A "blind" and "mute" Danielle will feel many mean and cruel hands on her body for the 15 minutes or the hour it takes to get to the place of torture she DOES NOT know about and HAS NEVER SEEN and by the time we get there something has changed and herein lies my "dilemma".

When the hood and her blindfold come off she's finds herself in a cellar...a basement or in some abandoned building surrounded by a group of men who ALL LOOK IDENTICAL as they're wearing black robes and "full-head" latex masks that look like skulls. Each man holds a thin bamboo "stint" and without warning and for no reason one of them (me), scalds the back of her thighs and a voice she doesn't know tells her to strip.

I have seen Danielle "acting" but what I see when things like this are happening to her is NOT acting and my question is...at what point does (or did) her "consenting" behavior vanish? Everything from her tears to her body language is different. Hell...SHE IS SO DIFFERENT I often feel like I don't even know who she IS...and she certainly doesn't know for sure if I'm even there because any speaking I do as I suggest...encourage or direct her torture is whispered.

And she IS teased...tormented and eventually her breasts and pussy are absolutely tortured even though she begs and screams for it to stop...using MY name...but I whisper to the guys, "Who the fuck is she talking to?" and she's driven to a point where she will do ANYTHING to have a cock in her but the best (or worst for her)...is to be brought ALMOST to orgasm and then nothing except more screwing with her mind to make her dread the next torture even more than the last.

What happened to her initial "consent"? I've often thought that for her to REALLY reach the point of pure agony and at the same time...ecstasy, she HAS TO KNOW she HAS NO WAY OUT...she really does have to feel that she's being brutally raped and when she does...Good God! The woman goes into a state of sexual euphoria I can't begin to describe but it has to be good because she's fuckin' addicted to having the real thing happen to her. So...can one of you women elaborate on her statement: "When those cruel and sadistic bastards REALLY THINK they're raping me...believe me when I tell you I AM BEING RAPED!"

I asked Ralphus to show you the picture of Danielle so you can see for yourselves what an impact she has on a nightclub full of horny young men when she glides down a staircase looking like that. http://ralphus.net/dailypic12/100_7035.JPG

Don't get killed or caught!

(I didn't forget about our friend Larry. When I posted the review this morning, the Video Mayhem site was down).

I won't go so far as to say that only a sadist would enjoy those web sites, though, since I think the distinguishing characteristic of a sadist should be more than just enjoying watching. We can disagree on that.

I acknowledge your life experience with S&M, which makes you sound like a lifestyler, but I have to say that your near-compulsive need to put everyone else (on this forum, anyway) into the sadist box makes it seem like you are not as comfortable with your lifestyle as you would desire and seek validation through greater numbers. I believe people can have tendencies and preferences without presenting full psychological profiles. Collectors of all stripes tend toward obsessive-compulsive behavior, but an actual obsessive-compulsive demonstrates the disorder (for lack of a better, less pejorative term) in unquestionable ways.

As to your pronouncement concerning sadism: I would not have thought that it was possible to be clearer and pithier than, 'pleasure derived from inflicting or watching cruelty'. That covers all bases (as I believe they say). Well, no one really reads this forum to be told unequivocally what is right and wrong. The whole purpose of a discussion question is to engender discussion based on differing viewpoints. Your viewpoint might be that you know the absolute correct answer and everyone else is mistaken, but you need to be prepared for valid disagreements. Your life experiences notwithstanding.

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A Canadian: Thanks for the nice illustrated review of New Teacher Gets Violated. I'm not as big a fan of the JAV teacher genre, either. Generally, though, it involves the teacher victim ashamedly doing whatever she is told, with an emphasis on humiliation. This one sounds like it is a cut above, especially in view of the teacher being physically restrained and held down for the rapes. I suspect she didn't fight as much as a real rape victim might, but maybe Japanese women are just predisposed to rape. (Did I really just judge an entire society based on the content of its porn? Surely not.)

Ichika is fairly attractive (in that one picture she sort of has a young Valerie Bertinelli thing going), and that forced strip tease looks pretty amazing, so on the strength of your review I might check this one out.

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Ralphus: Thanks for finding a source for that video.

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Blakemore: You continue to astonish.

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Distressed Damsel: That was an incredible post. Thank you for sharing. I loved the remote controlled vibrator idea. I've seen that in movies and videos, but it just does not translate well to those media. Seeing it in a real-life public situation sounds sensational. Something to consider for a future endeavor.

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Lynn: You bitch. Paul should track you down and give you some more. Seriously, I've never laughed so hard as when you finished that story. I was thinking to myself If that's not a woman in a nutshell, I don't know what is. Your post has to be one of the most entertaining of the year so far. Thanks!

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Nia: Thanks for that Cheech and Chong reference. It took me back to high school. The rest of your revelatory post was also quite fun to read. Hormones, indeed.

The other day I rediscovered the juicy cover of the first book in the Troubles of Janice series. I first saw it back in the mid 90s, but hadn't seen it years. Apparently the book is quite a collector's item - sellers on Amazon have it priced at over $300.

Pretty nice, eh?

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Distressed Damsel: A thousand pardons for referring to you as Damsel in Distress. Good lord, what is it about female posters that makes some of us so clumsy and tongue-tied? Maybe it comes from just being awestruck. ;)

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John Galt wrote:

I believe people can have tendencies and preferences without presenting full psychological profiles.

Thanks, man. In one short sentence you've pretty much summarized the reason I left academia. Too much quibbling over definitions and concepts.

While dictionaries serve us well, they are not designed to "cover all the bases."

Let's take an idea that has come up in recent conversations about sex partners: trust. One could look up the word trust in the dictionary. I didn't, because people don't live their lives in a dictionary. People form trust out of relationships and experiences. Let me explain; I promise to stay on topic.

First, trust is not either/or - it's more or less. Our experiences with individuals help us decide whether they are more trustworthy or less trustworthy. We trust some people more than others; but it's rare that we trust an individual either 100% or 0%. We trust different people at different levels, and those levels may change from day to day.

Second, trust is situational. You may trust one person to be your BDSM partner, another to handle your financial affairs, another to check on your house and feed your pets while you're on vacation, yet another (perhaps a therapist) with secrets that you would not share with anyone else, and so on. The fact that you do not trust your BDSM partner with your financial affairs does not automatically qualify your partner as "untrustworthy" any more than it would define you as "untrusting". We could not live (at least not well) with the burden of having to define our trust in others with a single, broad definition.

And so it is with many things in our lives. We've never really settled on a definition of what a GIMPer is; we just know that it involves women in merciless peril in extreme fantasy bondage in some way or another. That theme keeps us talking together, but as many here know, there is a tremendous amount of variety in our tastes and preferences; some of them conflict, some converge, all hold some interest for somebody here. Should we try to come up with a comprehensive definition for what a GIMPer is, and try to generate a meaningful, all-encompassing mission statement for the site that accounts for every possible permutation of the interests and ideas expressed herein?

If we did, here's one GIMPer you'd never hear from again.

Thanks for your patience, folks.

Check out BITCH SLAP if you like brutal rape scenes!

Starring Ashlee & Rock

A young girl is tidying up her bed room. A evil bad ass busts up in her room & rapes the shit outa the bitch. She is slapped around & choked out repeatedly wile being gagged with cock & rape. She never gives up fighting for her life Everything the rapist gets from her is earned threw punishment. Being body slammed into her bed breaking it into pieces only strengthens her fighting spirit. Finally he has had enough, he throws her across the room & in on her with a lamp cord. She is still fighting & punches him square in his glass jaw. She nearly gets away. Nearly...... It's brutal, She fights & dies. He strangles the bitch to death. Once dead, he can take his time with her asshole.......

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http://www.hardtied.com/hogtied/bondage/2011/09_07elise7/HardTied-Elise-Graves-PD-Campfire-Stories.php

which is a site I found couple days ago and is appears to be 5 years old so I'm sure Gimpers know about it, but it's new to me. Any comment on it?

A big thank you to the lady Gimp members for their very informative enjoyable posts on their real life orgasm stories and hope to hear more from them. Bill K.

Bill K asked about Hardtied. Well, Hardtied is run by PD, the creator of Insex, only one of the most ground-breaking bondage producers of all time. I don't really follow them much, mainly because he seldom works with models that ring my bell. A lot of heavily tattooed freakgirls who are "into the scene" and therefore of little interest to me. I don't know if PD is doing anything with the new site that he didn't do the first time with Insex. It's hard to keep re-inventing the wheel and coming up with a new wrinkle every time.

We've only got one Hardtied review in our section. Anybody follow them and can report on what kind of stuff he's putting out with the new site?

BTW, I'm almost positive that picture you linked is a fake. Otherwise I'd say he's definitely pushing the envelope. Setting bound girls on fire would most assuredly be something new!

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Richard asked:

...what are peoples' views on the films produced by Mood Pictures and Elite Pain?

If you like real pain, real welts, real abuse, you might like what they put out. My problem with them is that it's mainly masochists getting abused and showing how much they can take, more of a painful endurance test which ultimately isn't that exciting to me. They also never use gags, which would go a long way into making me believe I'm witnessing a nonconsensual storyline. I'm a sadist and like to watch 'em being hurt, but there has to reason behind it. Bloody whipping in and of itself isn't much fun if she's consenting to it. I want to believe the fantasy.

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A Canadian: And the reviews just keep on coming! You did a great job reviewing New Teacher Gets Violated, although for the life of me, I can't understand why you keep giving high marks to movies that have no bondage. Ichika Kuroki is certainly beautiful; what would be wrong with...I dunno...maybe tying her up?

I'm not familiar with this Japanese company; maybe they specialize in just making rape movies without bondage, but you can only get so far with humiliation alone. Even most rape scenes are aren't as good unless the victim is bound. It's like eating a chili dog, but without the cheese and onions. It's still good, but there's something's missing.

The direct link to your latest is in my Homepage URL above.

But I scrolled down to the pics and noticed that there is a scene where she's tied naked and spreadeagled to the hood of a car. Now that's some good GIMPage. I would have enjoyed getting a glimpse of that in the preview clip.

One thing bugged me though. There's a segment where she's having her panties shoved in her mouth, and she's leaning forward as if to facilitate the procedure. A good actress would be turning her face away to resist being gagged. A trivial thing, I know, but just enough to take the viewer out of the fantasy temporarily.

In fact, while, given that it is an entertainment site and therefore, by definition, the participants have voluntarily agreed to what is being done, so it is reasonable to assume that they are masochists, the process these sites show is psychologically precisely that of an interrogation.

Refusing to provide information (or whatever else is demanded) or the alternative is torture, inevitably becomes a "painful endurance test" for the person faced with this choice (unless she simply wimps out immediately). And if she does not wimp out immediately, then she WILL "get to show how much she can take". While we are also on the subject of definitions, a word I have trouble with is "submissive"; I have been asked any number of times why I enjoy being "a submissive" or "a slave" and then I get to explain that I am neither submissive, nor desire to be a slave, but rather I enjoy seeing - and showing off - how tough I am. I am proud of how much I can take and not submit!

For any number of real world reasons, you will never see me signing up as a participant in Mood Pics. etc. games, but I have seen a vid. of one of their endurance contests in entirety and I would be very interested in knowing how tough I am, compared to the girls that were in that.

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John Galt wrote:

I suspect she didn't fight as much as a real rape victim might....

Perhaps not, but as a lightweight GIMP, I look for credible GIMP scenes but not necessarily documentary-style realism.

Yes, I know I sound like I'm kicking off another meeting of the Society for Professional Pedants, but in my mind I have a pretty clear sense of the distinction.

I don't want to see something where it actually looks like the victim was hurt. But I do like believable scenes. Certainly, a so-called "rape" scene where it's obvious the victim could easily escape doesn't work at all.

Two things are important for me: The victim has to look helpless, which usually means credibly restrained (either by bondage or human force); and if forced-sex acts are involved, the victim has to look threatened and/or helpless and she must appear to be under duress.

Recently, I watched two other films that are also available in Video Mayhem's June listings (I've had some free time on my hands). The two titles were IPTD-901 and MILD-773. Both films featured sexy secret agents in peril, which I love. They had forced sex (at gun point) and some bondage, which Ralphus might have enjoyed.

Neither film worked for me, for a simple reason. Even though they showed forced-sex acts that were performed under the threat of death, the victim's sense of duress wasn't credibly portrayed. In IPTD-901, for example, the heroine looked quite comfortable giving blow jobs to the villains, so it didn't matter that guns were pointed at her. It still looked too much like vanilla porn. The producers got the fundamentals right but the weak acting ruined it.

I don't look for realism but I do have to find a scene convincing. From that perspective, I feel Ichika Kuroki is a strong actress.

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YikYakker wrote:

Dude, yet another pretty Asian girl for me to slaver over. You really know how to find them.

I certainly try, although right now I feel I'm letting the GIMP world down.

That's because I still haven't found a quality GIMP film with Yuna Shiina, who is currently the No. 1 star at asianscreens.com. Yuna is a terrific actress and she does lots of bondage and rape scenes -- she was one of my favorite actresses from 2011.

Unfortunately, nothing I've seen so far has been good enough to warrant its own review. I hope that situation changes in the coming months.

How funny. I watched both IPTD-901 and MILD-773 and while each one had at least one scene that I liked, overall they were unsatisfying. I agree with your assessment: the women just didn't come across as credible rape victims. In one "forced" fellatio bit she actually used her hand to enhance the experience for the guy. Definitely not what I want in a rape scene.

In HBAD-187 (also available from VideoMayhem) a drugged rape victim became aware enough to beat the crap out of a guy while he was eating her out and effect an escape (only to be promptly recaptured). Her wrists were bound together, but the guy had unfastened them from the top of the bed where they were initially. That's the kind of initiative I like to see when the bondage or restraint gets sloppy. (You can see the initial scene set-up if you check out the cover art at the above link--just below the middle of the back. She is bound to a bed, hands above her head, in a jail cell with the guy going down on her.) In fact, the victim, who is a police investigator, is kept drugged a lot in this video, explaining why she does not fight back more. That's acceptable.

How funny. I watched both IPTD-901 and MILD-773 and while each one had at least one scene that I liked, overall they were unsatisfying. I agree with your assessment: the women just didn't come across as credible rape victims. In one "forced" fellatio bit she actually used her hand to enhance the experience for the guy. Definitely not what I want in a rape scene.

Yup, that was in IPTD-901, starring Minori Hatsune. That was the key thing I didn't like. Minori's facial expressions didn't really sell the scene, either, but I could have lived with that (since the villains' guns were generally prominent) if that had been the only problem. Minori using her hand to help with the blow job ruined it.

May I comment on several issues that you raise in your latest post?

Firstly, on the trouble that you have with the term 'submissive' (and, maybe for others, 'slave').

I think that part of the trouble is that for many (both active and passive) the terms are understood as describing states of mind or being, permanent or temporary. In fact, I believe that, in reality, for most they are descriptions of a means to an end. (Or, to be pedantic(!), descriptions of a strategy for achieving certain ends).

Those ends may be various; to explore how tough one is, to experience helplessness or powerlessness, to experience forced orgasms or pain, to purge a sense of guilt before pleasure is possible; as examples.

There are those for whom such terms do indeed accurately describe a state of mind or being. But in my experience such are relatively uncommon.

As it possibly affects one's responses to the films of Mood Pictures and Elite Pain, I would suggest that some (the majority?) of the women submit themselves principally or entirely for the money. My less than perfect memory believes that a figure of $3000 has been mentioned as the fee for participating in the more severe sessions. Now, even with my no longer masochistic soul, I would endure quite a lot of pain for such reward!

Did you not discover 'how tough you are' in those sessions where you experienced how far you could/would go before you were forced/chose to reveal your passwords?

My very best wishes.

Of course Ralphus, I was especially thinking of you, and knowing just how you would almost howl/ giggle with joy at the fine blood letting of this flick... and it certainly brings back found memories. So without further adieu I bring you:

SPACESHIP TERROR: My friends, this is truly a diamond in the rough of low budget, indie horror, for not only are we treated to some fine GIMP/ DID peril, but the story is actually enjoyable in its own right, with a rather tight script, decent dialogue, an interesting villain, and some decent looking damselettes to torment. WARNING: Spoilers to follow.

The CGI special effects here are low budget, but it is clear they were well thought out. The spaceships portrayed are pretty functional, and the attention to detail is clear. This more than makes up for the sometimes cartoony looking CGI.

Our story opens up on the 'terror ship'. Grotesque body parts, dismembered hands, feet, heads, torsos are shown in gory, bloody detail. Very well done effects, and it certainly adds to the atmosphere of the thing. The filmmakers let you know right from the start they are pulling no punches.

After that sweet opening, we get to the meat of the story. Five women and a putz crash land on a planet in some sector of space. The women are dressed in the most unattractive space outfits I have ever seen... it looks like baggy white plastic rain gear, with a black belt, and black combat boots. It looks terrible, and does nothing to compliment the figures of the women, and in fact, is completely unattractive. I suspect that this was intentional, for reasons I'll explain in just a moment.

Of course, the evil guy controlling the terror ship sees them crash from the bridge of his ship, and picks up their distress signal, and lands nearby. The crew of the downed transport, of course think they are 'rescued' but truth be told, they would have been better on the lovely Earth like planet they landed on.

Anyway, they go to investigate, and the first clue that there is going to be trouble is the name of the ship, apparently painted in BLOOD, which is 'Terror.' Now I really loved this. The ship is yellow, and apparently the original call numbers on the side of the ship were, 'T-PP01' which our space faring maniac has modified to say 'Terror'. A very nice touch!

Having little choice, our intrepid crew approaches the ship, and of course the hatch door opens and allows them to enter. Here they encounter 'Chris'. Chris is a smallish, Asian looking woman, wearing a ripped grey half shirt and a cute pair of pink panties. She will be wearing this for the entire movie.

Little Chris has been a prisoner on the ship for some time (we later learn it's been two years), and she helps them to the infirmary so they can get some medical attention for the putz that was injured in the crash landing.

The infirmary, we find out is a 'safe zone' along with the bathroom across the hall, and while there 'Captain Terror' won't hunt you. Everything else is 'his territory.' The ship is booby trapped as well!

Soooooo... we get to the infirmary to help the putz, and what happens? Some type of hydraulic, rotating arrow machine lowers from the ceiling and pumps two arrows into the putz, nailing him to the wall through the shoulders. OUCH! Apparently, the 'safe zone' does not apply to putzes. Can I just say, I fully agree with Captain Terror's 'no putz' policy?

So, anyway, our putz is screaming, having been made into a human wall hanging, and suddenly, from behind the wall emerges a BIG drill bit, that proceeds to impale him right through his back and out his belly! Awesome, exit one useless putz! Now, only six women remain, and we are guaranteed an no putz interference issue for the rest of the flick!

Let me comment about the women here. None of them are super attractive, there is no makeup, their outfits are horrid, and they are a bit of a mess from the crash. They are still pretty, but they LOOK like their roles.... and they all have distinctive personalities, and their dialogue all goes with their characters. I found this to be so amazing... totally did not expect this.

Also, the set... they must have found an old sea freighter to film on, and dressed it up, because it just looks great, many twisting passages. To actually construct a set like this would have been far too expensive.

Now, 'Captain Terror' is a beast. A tall, FAT, mid forties, beer gutted, redneck looking dude, with one WHITE eye, a tube going up his nose, and a variety of gadgets, including another arrow firing device, with a line attached to it... perfect for reeling in prey. There are vid screens around the halls, and whenever the girls leave the infirmary a five minute count down begins, the end of which marks the point where Captain Terror begins to hunt... the screens even change over to say, 'I'm coming for you!'

So, lets get to the GIMP, shall we? There are two very worthy scenes, though all of the deaths are pretty gory. The first GIMP is our poor Chris. She is relating the story of the 'escape pod'. There is a code that must be entered, and it apparently takes five minutes to reach it before Captain Terror will come for you. As she explains all this, we are shown flashbacks of her attempting to make it, and failing of course, and falling into the captain's evil clutches. We are shown stills of Chris.. chained, NAKED, clearly tortured and whipped. VERY GRAPHIC, well lit pictures of her ordeal. This caused me to sit up a moment, as it was rather unexpected.

The other poor GIMPette is Anna. Folks, what happens to this woman is probably one of the worst/ best/ gory tortures I've seen in some time in a mainstream film. The first thing that happens to her, is while exploring the ship, her hand gets impaled. Not long after, she is captured by Captain Terror.

He takes her to his 'torture laboratory' and cuffs her to a table full spread eagle, and then proceeds to strip her completely naked. Well lit scene, and as it turns out, Anna is rather attractive naked. Who knew, beneath all that horrid plastic? Oh, and I forgot to mention that the ship is kept at an unbearable, heated humid temperature, and the ladies all strip off the plastic rain coats, and spend the rest of the movie running around in their skivvies.

Anna really goes through hell in this movie. After being stripped, and some type of torture device applied to her belly, we cut away from her for awhile. When next we see her, she is really in bad shape... now completely naked... no shoes... NOTHING. Captain Terror carries her back to the table, and very slowly secures her to it once more... graphically showing our lovely, naked damsel in all her glory, as she is cuffed in a full spread eagle once more.... of course she has wounds all over her, so she doesn't look her best.

Later still, we cut back to her... but she isn't shown... only the shadow on the wall, and blood splatter as Captain Terror takes a hand axe to her... she screams wonderfully, though we are lead to believe this is the end for her... but... no!

Later still, we cut back to her and she's not dead... it is a waist up shot. She is still completely naked, spread eagled on the examining table, Captain Terror standing over her.. and she, begging for him to stop. He leans over, and begins suckling on her right breast... and then very graphically bites off her nipple. No cut... nothing.

The other worthy GIMP scene is when poor Chris finds herself in the Captain's clutches later on, and is electro tortured. She isn't naked, which detracted it for me, but she isn't wearing much to begin with either. She screams, begs and writhes convincingly.

I don't want to give away the rest... especially what exactly Captain Terror did to poor Anna with that axe, but lets just say it is Dolcett worthy.

I am going to have to give this an A+ rating. Nudity, bondage, torture, all well done, well acted very convincingly in a low budget indie production makes this a must see/ have that rivals many, many classic DID scenes, and its actually a pretty suspenseful movie WORTH watching in its own right.

Its available on instant view at Amazon, which I provided a link for. Enjoy!

I was going to join in before, but then there were so many interesting posts, it was hard to stay caught up. Then my computer crashed as I was finishing up this post and the only way to save it was to take a screenshot and type it all over again from the picture. Excuses, excuses.

Lynn, Distressed Damsel, and Nia, thanks for coming out of lurking to create and add fuel to this lively discussion!What's being said is very interesting , I agree with many points, Distressed Damsel: We humans have complex sexuality, and I don't think that it is easy to classify thing such as this., Lynn: wanting to see the victim in pain; not pleasure; is really only about script writing and acting ability, and Nia, about cycles and hormones, among other things.

As for A Canadian's Irreversible test, well, I really like that scene, I like the whole movie, it portrays suffering as something tangible, horrible, and yet, dare I say it, sexy. I was at my cinematographer's barbeque birthday bash recently and I met up with a woman whom I've worked with in another movie of mine, Barbazul, she plays one of Bluebeard's ladies. She's bananas about Irreversible, she loves that scene, the rape and the beating. Working with me in Barbazul was a fulfillment of her fantasies. Does she actually want anything like what happens in Irreversible or her horrible fate in Barbazul, to happen to her in real life, nope, she doesn't.

While were on the topic of definitions, I don't define myself much, I like what I like. Psychologists are just like the rest of us, groping in the dark after meaning. I believe that BDSM, watching GIMP scenarios, and much other related activities, is natural, instinctual. I believe that as human beings in a structured society, we are simply forced to curb those instincts, to give them other meaning. The primitive self, that which is discussed by anthropologists and other scientists, still resides in all of us. Even with societal advancement such as technology and equal rights, we have not squelched our other needs. To me, the same impulses that drive us to have sex and/or procreate are much the same ones that drive us to want to see (or in my case reenact) distress scenarios. Scenarios in which some are in control and others are not.

We still have reactions to events, car accidents, encounters, etc. We release adrenalin, we do things, or behave as, we otherwise would not. The instincts that reside within us are not easy to fathom because we are constantly trying to box them in, re-label them, control them, interpret them. For me this is illustrated pretty well in the GOR books, What does a woman do when her societal structure is taken away? She reverts to a more primitive state, which largely resides in the domain of the senses and emotion. Feminists would probably like to beat me to death in the street for saying that.

A few years ago, when I was starting to understand myself a little more and what I like, I read a book called Gordon, by Edith Templeton. In the book, the female character has a bizarre relationship with a psychologist. He humiliates her, puts her in humiliating situations, and threatens her from time to time. She likes it. But sometimes she claims that she doesn't. She does not at any time spell out exactly why or what she likes. Why?! why, as a writer, would she withhold a greater understanding of the female psyche as it relates to BDSM/GIMP/sex? Because women like mystery. We are mysterious by nature. In theory, we want men to understand us. What we actually want is for men to read our minds. So guys, put on your tinfoil hats and start concentrating because we're most likely never going to be any clearer about what we really want. I'm pretty sure that struggle and the achingly slow reveal is what makes things interesting, though.

As YikYakker brought up, I do take my performances as far as possible, and I do agree that the art of (my) films lies in engaging the audience to the point where they temporarily feel that what they are watching is really happening. I will, and do, suffer as much as needed to make a scene look realistic, but not the point where I could never make another film or have hideous scars, etc. I do make the call when we're shooting, but I try not to unless it's really necessary. The scene we shot most recently for Dead but Dreaming, in which I'm whipped publicly (thanks to D. Santorum), I toughed it out and didn't make that call many times. We only had the location for a limited amount of time, I really wanted that scene to turn out and so I put the movie first.

At one point we only had one more hour to be there, it was dark already, I was freezing cold, covered in FX, and someone was trying to shove the other contact lens in my eye (it had dirt on it BTW, which hurt like hell when it finally went in). After we were finally done and I had clothes on again, Veronica (we were shooting the scene together, but she had lots of clothes on) said to me that she could never in a million years do what I just did. I'm pretty sure she went "would not" instead of "could not". Here is where the realistic and the real collide. But instead of the shooting of that scene being the culmination of a lifelong masochistic dream, I was more worried about getting the contact lens out, whether I had scratched my cornea, and getting warm so that I could shoot more in the next few days.

There's often a big difference between shooting a scene and enacting an intimate scenario with a partner. Watching the movie on the big screen is the culmination of my fantasy. When we're shooting, I'm too worried about a million details, my performance, time left in the location, etc, to get any enjoyment from it. The payoff for me is when I know I've done a good job, when I can watch the rushes and enjoy what I'm watching. When we had the premier of Maleficarum in the megaplex here I watched myself up on the big screen, it was thrilling, there was the payoff, I was tense watching the movie, the torture scenes, liking the movie, enjoying the suspension of belief. It was a cerebral and physical enjoyment, and I had used my mind and body as instruments in order to fulfill that cerebral/physical fantasy. I hope I'm making sense here.

And while we're discussing humiliation... Humiliation is a huge and important part of what we discuss on this forum, sometimes that element remains unspoken if, but it's still important. Many of the worst moments in my life, as well as things I remember from childhood, involve humiliation. I feel that any scene in which suffering is portrayed has much more impact when humiliation is involved. Do I enjoy being humiliated in real life, no, I avoid it. Do I think about it within fantasies and movies scenarios? All the time.

I also have to mention that I was just now looking at a scene from Barbazul, a really terrible scene in which someone dies, and I couldn't help laughing. I don't think this makes me sick. Complex, not sick. I also found Ralphus's joke funny. I think I'm ready to define myself as "complex".

Gags are certainly not in indication of 'forced' as opposed to 'voluntary' activity, in my mind. Interrogation is generally about making someone talk, and of course, if she is gagged, she quite physically cannot. So in fact, in a realistic interrogation, the subject will NEVER be gagged (though they may have a bit stuffed in their mouth so they cannot accidently bite their lip or tongue during torture). On the contrary I see the fancy: chrome, leather and red ball, gags as another fake fetish accessory along with high-heeled boots/shoes, leather garter-belts, etc. etc.

When it comes to enduring/resisting torture (voluntary or otherwise), it stands to reason that having masochistic tendencies helps. While of course various resistance fighters / terrorists (depending on your point of view) who endured torture during wars past were not necessarily masochistic, it is reasonable to conclude that some of the most famous and honored ones (Violette Szabo - for example) may have been helped in holding out as they did because of inate masochistic tendencies.

I will have to ponder more on your thinking that BDSM is instinctual. I think of instinct as that which enhances survival, and I'm not sure I see the advantage of masochism to survival. I'm not sure I see a survival edge to sadism either, come to think of it. Sex, naturally, is a part of procreation as well as being pleasurable. I think it is definitely instinctual. No argument there. But BDSM as instinctual? It is something to consider.

I do think many women are purposely indecipherable, and it is always refreshing (as well as a self-serving confirmation) to hear women admit it. Thanks for that.

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Sardu: Spaceship Terror sounds fascinating and a real gem of a GIMP mainstream flick. I will definitely be putting it on my To See List. Thanks for the great review.

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Lynn: You definitely make a valid point about the use (or more specifically, the non-use) of a gag in an interrogation scenario, and that certainly applies on the Mood Pictures and Elite Pain websites. In the case of a rape or assault, though, the gag serves to keep the noise down so the neighbors or passersby don't hear screams and call the cops. As an added bonus, it heightens the helplessness of the victim since she cannot even call for help. In a rape scenario (or rape fantasy), a gag is more than a fetish accessory; it serves a purpose.

Gags are certainly not in indication of 'forced' as opposed to 'voluntary' activity, in my mind. Interrogation is generally about making someone talk, and of course, if she is gagged, she quite physically cannot. So in fact, in a realistic interrogation, the subject will NEVER be gagged...

Well, if you're torturing someone as a method of interrogation, to make her talk, you're right that gags aren't needed. However, if you're torturing her to inflict pain and you simply want to see her suffer, a gag is going to be useful and, indeed, even more effective. When you've got a girl tied up, she's essentially helpless in that she no longer can defend herself or avoid whatever treatment you're dishing out. So if you gag her, you are taking away her last line of defense, her voice. If she's gagged she can't plead and bargain with the bad guy, and she also can't call for help. In fact, when you gag her, you're basically telling her that I don't care if you don't like it, you're getting it anyway and there's nothing you can do to stop it. That's real power.

It also helps that a gag improves the appearance of any woman. They're aesthetically pleasing, not to mention humiliating for her to wear. They also shut her up, or at the least, they make her cries and screams muffled and oh, so sexy. There's really no downside to gagging a woman. I'm a big believer in it.

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Amy Hesketh: Finally, the sex symbol of the GIMP forum stops by to make an appearance! It was a great post, thanks for taking the time to let us know what you think.

BTW, you mentioned having to save the past discussions by taking a snapshot of the site. Next time, check the Guestbook Archives. I've been trying to stay on top of them and if you look in June, you'll see we're updated through part of today's postings. Plus the posts are in chronological order, reading top to bottom like a logical forum should, and with black text on a white background, which some people prefer and think is easier to read.

You wrote (about women):

We are mysterious by nature. In theory, we want men to understand us. What we actually want is for men to read our minds.

Ha! I knew it. At least we have an admission from an actual woman to validate what we men suspected all along. No wonder there's so much media out there about tying up and torturing women. It's because they deserve it.

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Sardu: My former master, that was a great review of Spaceship Terror. The great thing about this forum is finding out about movies that you had no idea even existed, and learning there's good stuff out there if only you know where to look. In this case, I had never even heard of the movie, but you sold it for me. YouTube has a trailer for it HERE. I think all the women look pretty nice in it. I also like the idea of having a guy along for the ride and they kill him off right away at the beginning, leaving only the girls there. That's perfect! I'll definitely seek this one out.

The direct link for your review is in my Homepage URL above.

At the risk of causing Mr. Santorum apoplexy, (sorry!), I feel that I should respond to a recent post of yours.

I appreciate that people do not subscribe to this site 'to be told what is right and wrong'. I also believe that I have not given the impression 'that (I) know the absolute correct answer and everyone else is mistaken'. At least, I do hope that I have given no such impression.

I do believe that for communication to be effective (indeed, even possible) there must be some agreement on the meaning of words. It is casuistry to take refuge in the position that 'any word means what I want it to mean'. It is the role of dictionaries to provide as objective a definition as possible. I would point out that the definition I provided was that of a dictionary and not my own.

Obviously it is then open to all interested to debate, argue, supplement or to provide the nuances. A process that has proceeded apace. The value of a rather hermetic site such as this is that such discussion can take place without censure.

It remains my belief that all interested in this site are sadists (by definition!). However, I repeat, that this is in no way a negative judgement. I am not in the habit of condemning myself and I have no guilt about my predilections. Were we to invite a representative of the great vanilla majority for their opinion of those making use of this site, I am sure that the first word to their lips would be 'sadists'; and most likely would follow such other words as 'pervs' and 'sick fucks'! Now, I would never define that which is true, correct, right by majority vote but the majority do define what is acceptable.

Although we can let our collective hair down in the sympathetic domain of this site we have to negotiate that other world. It has consequences in the contexts of civil and legal rights, social acceptability, censorship. If example were needed the events surrounding the screenings of Mal. and Sir. demonstrate the point.

For my finish, Mr. Galt, I would like to assert that I have been, I am and I shall be comfortable and happy in my sadism whether I were the only such in the world, or whether my predilections were shared with every other human being. Of course, the latter situation would make rather difficult the task of finding a partner with complementary proclivities with whom I could play for our mutual satisfaction!

You wrote of making and watching Maleficarum:

It was a cerebral and physical enjoyment, and I had used my mind and body as instruments in order to fulfill that cerebral/physical fantasy. I hope I'm making sense here.

Absolutely. Knowing that you go through a very exhaustive editing process as well, I wonder if you could tell us something about how you feel when assembling the final product vs. your feelings when watching it on the big screen with a live audience?

You also wrote:

In theory, we want men to understand us. What we actually want is for men to read our minds.

Yeah, I work for someone who's like that.

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Sardu: Many thanks for your thorough and lively review of Spaceship Terror. I'm glad you mentioned that the performances are good, that's very important to me (as well as others, I'm sure).

Let's see...

~ chained, naked, tortured and whipped

~ cuffed to a table full spread eagle and stripped

And available as a rental?

Yep, I'm there.

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There's gotta be a GIMP movie idea in here somewhere. But with, you know, girls who are not quite so young..

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This place is so educational. Today I learned a new word: casuistry.

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Today's Pic: Looks like there was another duct tape sale at Wal-Mart.

The price tag for a seven-day rental is certainly within budget so I may check this one out. Thanks for the review, and welcome back.

Aw hell. Now it's my turn to be pedantic. Would it not be more reasonable to say that we are all either sadisits, masochists, or somewhere in between (perhaps identifying as both)?

Plenty of people enjoy reading GIMP stories and watching GIMP scenes in movies, etc., largely because it excites them to imagine themselves as the humiliated and tortured vicitim. Ms. Hesketh is an obvious example, and she's not alone. Is Ms. Hesketh a "sadist?"

Similarly, I'm a male who enjoys imagining he's the lovely suffering female in such scenes. I'm not particularly comfortable with labelling myself in general, but if you forced me to choose a label, one that describes my interests here as precisely as possible, I'd have to say I'm a "cross-sexual masochist."

So don't stick that "sadist" label on me, thank you very much. "Perv" is acceptable, however. And so is "sick fuck."

I am very glad to see that you are not apoplectic!

As I have been taken to task for my views about members of this site and sadism, I wrongly confined my assertion to that predilection. But, of course, you are entirely right; I accept your observations completely and my thanks for pointing out my omission. My apologies to all over-looked masochists on this site!

My very best wishes to you ALL!

1. the getting of sexual pleasure from dominating, mistreating, or hurting one's partner

2. the getting of pleasure from inflicting physical or psychological pain on another or others

The word sadism come from a famous torturer of women the Marquis de Sade I believe it's saying.

It doesn't mention getting sexual pleasure from ONLY watching live, film or pictures of (Gimp) physical or psychological pain on others or your partner which I am and believe some of us Gimpers are.

So based on that you are only a sadist if you take physical part in the torture which then makes us ?? What???

The sadist muddying of the waters: Bill K.

So based on that you are only a sadist if you take physical part in the torture which then makes us ?? What???

It makes us GIMPers! Huzzah!

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D. Santorum: Thank you for adding clarity and succinctness to our discussion.

But I'd like to address your previous post, which seemed to get lost in the subsequent deluge of posts and reviews and such. I'm speaking of this picture that you displayed:

(But then again, if our moms hadn't thrown away our stashes of comic mags when we were young, there would be too many of them around today to fetch a good price. At least, that's what I've been told.)

It seems that the burgeoning of the Internet led to many of these being converted into pdfs and sold (or pirated) as downloads. They also seemed to become more hardcore over time - at least that's the impression I got. Still have a few pdfs of the Druuna series and some others.

But I haven't kept up with that scene - there was a lot of manga coming out that just did not appeal to me. Maybe someone can tell us what the current "state of the art" is, so to speak.

The North Vietnamese, for one, often gagged POWs during torture sessions. The reason was that while one could scream, and do so loud and often, one could not scream too loudly. Especially if an interrogation room is adjacent to quarters for guards or officers. (Can't have the screaming keep the guards awake at night, or interfering with an officer screwing a water girl...)

If interrogating someone for information, a gag increases the fear and humiliation. All one needs to admit that they're ready to talk is to nod yes, and the gag can then be removed and the required information extracted. If the interrogator is displeased, the gag can then be put back in place and the subject given some punishment for not cooperating earlier, or if the information, upon evaluation, is judged to be insufficient.

Firstly, Irreversible. This has long been one of my favourite clips. Monica Belluci is a total babe, which helps, but the whole setup has real menace, and not just the rather unconvincing acting you normally see. I like the violence at the end, as she probably thinks it's over, but he's not finished with her yet. Having said that, the last bit where he's smashing her face into the ground does go a bit far for my personal tastes. I wouldn't want to ruin her beauty too much.

Secondly, gags during interrogation. I agree a woman looks much better with a gag in place. During interrogations, which is my favourite subject matter, I like the idea of telling her there's nothing she can do to end the pain, but when the gag is removed she better be ready to talk, or it's going back in for the next few hours. I like the sense of fear and helplessness this would cause. I've used this in a number of my stories, one of which is here at the address in my URL.

And on the poll question - a number of posters here are obviously much cleverer than me, but I think I would have to class myself as a sadist as I enjoy reading about, and watching, women being tortured and raped. However, in real life I would never wish to hurt anyone, and have no desire to see somebody being really hurt. So maybe I'm not a sadist in the real world, but I am in my fantasy mind.

As to the question about whether it matters that what we watch is actually consensual - for me it doesn't matter, so long as the portrayal appears realistic. I once attended an interview with the British director Mike Leigh who had just made a film set in the 50s. Someone asked him how he had made sure the costumes, sets, dialogue etc. were accurate. He said his job was to convince the audience that it was realistic - it didn't matter if the actors spoke in a way that wasn't actually how it would have been then, so long as the audience were convinced it was. And that's how I feel. I have no idea what a woman would look like, or how she would act, if she was really being tortured, and I have no wish to find out. But I want it to appear realistic to me, which is why mainstream torture scenes, even though they are normally less explicit, tend to appeal to me more than porn.

Of course what I think is realistic may look like a load of old baloney to someone else!

Can you please add video clip of this scene?

I love your long terrific entertaining posts and PLEASE keep posting them with any words you want for I'm just kidding around with you.

I vote YikYakker's "It makes us GIMPers! Huzzah!" has what we are, but Hurrah. What's up with Huzzah ;)? Bill K.

What's up with huzzah?

See Homepage URL.

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Reine Margot: Whenever you post, I'm reminded of an old saying I've heard: I wanted to write you a short letter, but I didn't have time, so I wrote a long one. Just kidding m'lady, I love your posts. And I'm thrilled with the images that accompany it.

You asked specifically for some reactions to the image below, which is one of the first that I ever saw on your site.

~ The Via Crucis works are, as I understand them, explorations of images and themes; practice sessions, as it were. So I would say that Camille is trying out a pose here. It seems strange, but not inconceivable, because one of the outcomes of crucifixion is that the victim loses the ability to hold herself up straight as she weakens, and the resulting posture puts stress on the body and leads to suffocation. So this is a good illustration of how the human body can become distorted (or contorted?) in the process.

~ Camille has what is, to me, a nearly perfect body type for a victim. In that sense, she represents for me something close to an ideal, something ethereal and elusive. At the same time, she represents suffering and pain. If I were to guess, I would guess that this is a an image of a crucified victim just before the moment of death.

Now, I had to think about this next picture for a moment, because there was some momentary confusion on my part.

Above is an image of Camille Duka as Camille in the Via Crucis of Camille. Below, if I have this right, is Carmen Paintoux playing a character named Camille in Martyr.

But there is also Veronica Paintoux, who is in Sirwinakuy. Sisters?

JJ sure knows how to recruit talent.

*Sigh* So many adorable Red Feline women, so little time.

I have a few more thoughts about your multi-faceted post, but I'll save those for next time.

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Today's Pic: Now in this situation, I am one of those that Margot calls "observers."

I respond to your observation, "When it comes to enduring/resisting, (voluntary or otherwise), it stands to reason that having masochistic tendencies help"'

There is, presumably, no issue if the pain is voluntary as there will be some strategy agreed; safe word, agreed action, revelation of passwords(!); so that the "victim's" limits will not be breached.

My view about "real" torture is that masochism in the victim will be of no use at all. The most severe pain that is ever likely to be part of a BDSM scenario is only a (tiny) fraction of the pain that can so easily be inflicted. And immediately, by which I mean that I believe that there is also no issue of stamina or endurance on the part of the victim.

Further, although a BDSM "victim" may be somewhat nervous, this will be as nothing compared with the terror felt when the victim knows that they are going to be interrogated with the use of torture. And fear does tend to undermine courage.

I read sometime ago, (I am afraid that I can remember no details), a book by a French(?) woman who investigated the history of the French Resistance during the occupation by the Germans in the second world war. Her researches involved inquiries into the interrogation and torture of captured resistance fighters. Her conclusion was that nobody holds out for more than thirty minutes. I am surprised that it is for so long! Of course, the torture may well continue longer, both so the interrogators can reassure themselves that all information has been extracted but also, of course, if they enjoy their work!

It may be relevant to remember that accounts of circumstances during which torture has been used are usually written from the viewpoint of the group from which the tortured victims came. There is an interest in presenting a story of heroic and principled resistance.

Take care.

I approve of today's image, and hope that it's part of a longer series...

It is a longer series; I have 5 artworks in total. I don't know if Redpill did more, but it's a nice little series and since you requested it, I'll go ahead and run the rest in the days to come.

In fact, here's a bonus pic that I hadn't originally chosen to run for the board. This was the first one in the series that sets up the story.

http://ralphus.net/dailypic12/Stage_1__Shock_by_Redpill333.jpg

I like Redpill's work a lot; he creates artworks that definitely have the GIMP sensibilities that I appreciate. Captive girls put in dangerous situations, usually gagged, always tied up properly, usually naked or semi-naked. Very ZFX-like in this themes.

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Griffin: Sorry, I don't have a video clip of that scene from New York Ripper. I know you must really like it since you bring it up a lot. It's a good scene, although I don't really remember it lasting very long. Lots of really beautiful women in that movie. The highlight for me is the incredible spread-eagled razor blade attack of a cute blonde near the end of the film. YikYakker reviewed that film here a while back, direct link is in my Homepage URL. You can buy the entire DVD for less than 7 bucks online. It's worth it.

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Margot: Always great to see you posting here. It's interesting that you point out that there's sometimes a feeling of empathy when people view Maleficarum. I've sometimes wondered how a non-GIMPer, one who doesn't have sadomasochist feelings that seem to come naturally to the people that read this forum, would react to a torture-filled movie like that.

I guess a variety of reactions come to mind, and sadness for the characters, as well as shock over the graphic nudity and sexual torture, would likely be among them. Not all of us get off on that stuff. So I could see a number of people who would really hate the movie. Of course, it wasn't made for them, but for sure, a film like that is going to elicit strong reactions either way. To me, that's a sign that it was well-made.

As for the poll: no, watching GIMP material doesn't make one a sadist. Actually doing it to someone-repeatedly-would.

In regard to the daily picture, while I agree with Bill K and Matt that the woman deserves to be put through the proverbial ringer for ramming her knee into her assailant's groin, I also can't help but feel like he (the assailant) got what he deserved. Don't ask me why I feel like that, I have absolutely no idea why myself.

As I have, on this site, shamelessly established myself as a pedant, I would like to comment on today's picture.

As both terminals from the generator are connected to the bar below the victim's crotch, there is no need for the current to pass through her body. Hence no pain.

If one of the wires was left attached to that bar and the other to any part of the metal frame to which the victim is attached; success. Although her body should be wetter, with sweat perhaps, to obtain efficient contacts.

Further, the device supplying the electricity is a hand turned generator. No hand!

A few thoughts on gags.

For active BDSMers a gag is often necessary to avoid distressing our neighbours! This does not mean that we are torturing our s/ss beyond their limits, (which can sometimes be the case), but many find that being able to express their distress at the pain by whimpering, shrieking, screaming, crying, sobbing, is very liberating. In societies where self-control is expected in most situations, it is a great release to let go, to lose control.

Lynn is, of course, correct that, if a real interrogation is being conducted, it is somewhat counter-productive to gag the victim. However, if she is being uncooperative, it can focus the mind wonderfully to gag her, and making it quite clear that the next phase of 'questioning' will continue as long as the interrogator wishes, without her having any control over events as she will be unable for a period, the duration of which is unknown to her, to provide the sought after information.

A very powerful way of bringing home to the s/s her total helplessness, and also to inflict pain, is to use and abuse all three principal orifices. The use of a gag; ball, bridle, ring; is a very effective way of doing this for this one orifice. A ring gag enables the M/D to introduce any desired object or substance into the victim's mouth without her consent, forced or otherwise.

My Dear Margot.

As a result of one observation by Ralphus I had expected your wrath to cascade down onto his head. But you wrote nothing. Perhaps an example of regal magnanimity! I shall discuss the point later today.

Keep smiling all.

A suggestion for the next GIMP poll, once the current one has run its course. This was inspired a bit by the previous daily picture. If a villain in any sort of GIMP subject matter was careless enough to allow the victim to ram her knee into his groin, would you feel that he got exactly what he deserved?

I think the biggest gaffe on the part of these two GIMPers is affixing ankle chains that allow too much movement of the victim's legs.

Now it's likely they did this to more easily move the prisoner from place to place. In such situations, I would recommend using one of those long poles and tying the girl to it by her hands and feet. Then the two guys can each grab one end of the pole and lug her to wherever she needs to be situated. Immobilized, yet movable.

I once saw a movie where a guy kicked a girl in the groin. I can't imagine how that must feel.

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Reine Margot: Surely you are not forgetting lovely Mila, with her superb made-for-whipping body? Or perhaps you had meant to pair her up with an image of yourself: Margot and Mila. I'd like to see that. ;)

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Homepage URL: I'm not sure what, if any, impact this decision has on the likelihood of finding stuff on TV that is of interest to GIMPers. Thoughts, anyone?

If a villain in any sort of GIMP subject matter was careless enough to allow the victim to ram her knee into his groin, would you feel that he got exactly what he deserved?

Why, I'm surprised at you. That's twice that you've presumably taken the victim's side in this case. We've got to support each other, man. The bad guy is always right! What he's doing to the girl is ALWAYS correct and proper and he NEVER deserves to have the woman fight back against him.

If she does put up resistance and try to fight back, all that means is that whatever punishment she has coming to her will be much worse. If she was going to get twenty lashes, now she'll get 40. If she was going to be raped, now she'll get raped up the ass. With a spiked dildo. It will teach her a lesson to be compliant and do as she is told and never, ever try something like that again.

That said, certain care must be taken when dealing with a captive. Rule number one: She must be kept bound at all times. And hands behind her back; hands in front gives her too much control. Plus that, behind the back hurts more and that's always a good thing.

Rule number 2: The victim must be kept gagged. The only exceptions are for feeding purposes and forced oral sex, but in the second instance, a ring gag will serve the same purpose of making sure she can't reject the gift she is being offered into her mouth.

In the case of the picture that inspired the question, I agree that the problem was there was too much loose chain between her ankles. I like YikYakker's idea of strapping her to a pole and carrying her around like that:

Although truthfully, that's not always an ideal solution if space indoors is limited. In this case, I would suggest simply a much shorter chain between her anklets, ideally just a few inches. This would limit her mobility and hopefully make walking a bit more uncomfortable. Ultimately, we want to make things as unpleasant as possible for her. She's a woman, isn't she?

Re the state of Ralphus' head. It seemed to me (forgive me, R., if I misunderstand) that he implied that you and your colleagues make films for GIMPers. My understanding of your ambitions and aspirations is that you wish to address some of the most profound issues of being human through the medium of the body in extremis. You are well placed to do this in both having the will to tackle such subjects graphically and intensely and having the actors who will rise to the challenges. And the issues that you involve yourselves with are potentially relevant to all (not just the relatively small world of GIMPers)

That one of the principal religions of the world has at its centre images of tortured bodies, and has done so for 1500 years, must emphasize that these issues are not marginal. Of course, Christians have no monopoly on such sensibilities. Violence to the body has been at the centre of (some) drama from the ancient Greeks, through Shakespeare, to modern theatre.

The issue of identification is interesting. There are some who say that there are no sadists (never thought that you would see me write that, did you?!); sadists actually identifying with the victim and empathizing with their pain, seeing themselves in the victim's place. Speaking from both sides, I do not personally believe this. Also identification can be multiple. I, and I know many others, can take pleasure for instance in the naked body of Ms. Hesketh; the only pleasure to which one can socially admit! I can also be excited by her being stripped, raped and tortured, and identify with her (character). But I can simultaneously respond to her fear, pain and despair. I feel pity and sorrow. I can also be outraged by the injustice, greed and arbitrary persecution to which the character is subjected and be provoked to think about the political and religious regimes that allowed, encouraged such events to take place.

I believe the reason that many people are outraged, disgusted by such scenes is that they are troubled by their own responses. But note the response of the Christian nun to 'Martyr'. To find oneself intrigued, excited by matters that are taboo is deeply unsettling and to be denied at the least, preferably one should attack the source of temptation. I fear that this sound a little like Reader's Digest psychology; but I believe it to be true. The fact that when legal and social constraints are ineffective, sadistic behaviour breaks out in every corner of the world suggests that for many such desires are strong.

As I have written below, if the activity is consensual, the masochist is always in control. To the profound frustration of both masochist and sadist!

Margot. I am intrigued by your observation that in the transaction between actors (e.g tortured and torturer) and audience there is a third, an observer. Is this observer in the film; perhaps commenting in some way on the action as the Chorus in Greek tragedy?

Finally, I must thank you for explaining the origin of the name 'Vermeer Pictures'. Given the nature of your films, to adopt the name of one of the artists most known in the history of Western art for painting the calmest, most controlled, most undemonstrative of pictures did puzzle me.

As always, my sincerest thanks and all power and success to you and your colleagues.

Ralphus wrote:

Why, I'm surprised at you. That's twice that you've presumably taken the victim's side in this case.

Let me attempt to clarify my view of this issue, and I hope I'm not putting my foot in my mouth with my comments. It's not that I am siding with the victim, as I said in my previous comment, I do agree that the woman deserves to be put through the ringer for her actions. That being said however, I feel the guard is also partially to blame the girl's action of ramming her knee into his manhood. He should've been more careful!

Both he and his partner are in a sense at fault. They should have secured the girl's ankles with a shorter chain, one that is just barely long enough to allow her to hobble along. Instead those two idiots apparently opted to use shackles with a chain long enough to allow her to raise one of her knees almost to waist height. That's why I feel like he got exactly what he deserved.

Sure no one likes a defiant victim, but I doubt anyone likes a careless villain as well. If those two guards were my employees, I wouldn't be happy with that man's apparent carelessness. He too would deserve to suffer some consequences for his indiscretions. If he was rankless grunt, I would likely just reprimand him for his stupidity.

If he was a high ranking officer, he would probably face more severe consequences, after all, officers normally don't reach high rank by being careless. The punitive consequences I would impose on an officer that got that careless when handling a prisoner would vary a bit depending on my mood at the moment. If I was just disappointed he would only face a demotion of a few rank levels.

If I was really angry with him, I would demote him several ranks and then secure him in an arena between two vertical posts. All female prisoners would then be turned loose on him and allowed to kick and knee him in the genitals to their heart's content. That should teach him to be more careful in the future!

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I like YikYakker's idea of strapping her to a pole and carrying her around like that:

Me too.

She's dead meat, so that means now she really in hot water, a perhaps literally BoilDamsel, steakDamsel or stakeDamsel < (my favorite) or hangDamsel, which will it be? Bill K.

And I'd add these, based on POW experiences in Korea,SEA and Iraq. Once the interrogations are completed, and she's either thrown into a cell or put in a forced labor situation with other prisoners, things are quite different. If in a cell, make sure she's in solitary, or has only one cellmate. If the intent is forced labor, that's a barracks situation, and the chances of any kind of defiance or rebellousness increase considerably. But then, so do the opportunities for collective punishments...say there's an attempted escape. The would-be escapee(s) are caught. Not only do they get some rigorous punishment (i.e. a torture session to find out if they have outside help-or worse-a guard so weak as to help the escapees, whose idea was it, etc, anyone else involved, etc.) but after they're sent to solitary, pick several others at random to determine if any further plots are in the works. One may then be assured that the captives assigned to such labor details will not have the infection known as escape-for the time being, anyway.

And those in the cells? The usual rules against communication between cells apply, as do those about showing proper respect to guards and officers, and other rules also apply. Say the rule against communication is violated. The cells have leg stocks at the foot of their bunks. After a rigorous session of questioning to determine what the communication was all about, the prisoners are locked into the leg stocks, their hands are either cuffed or tied behind their backs, they're blindfolded and gagged. Release is only for 15 min. twice a day to eat and to use the latrine bucket. The suggested time in punishment is up to 30 days. And if the guards wish to add punishment of their own in addition to what the prisoner is undergoing (read: "private entertainment" in the cell....), why not?

The bad guy is always right! What he's doing to the girl is ALWAYS correct and proper and he NEVER deserves to have the woman fight back against him.

Wrong, wrong and wrong. And I'll use your own arguments against you.

You want this to be consensual? The woman has to fight back after being captured or it clearly is consensual.

You guys are always criticizing a film maker for poor bondage techniques (hands in front, etc.). Well, this is clearly the choice of too long a chain as TGG suggested. Sometimes it's best to weed out the weak links amongst the bad guys too. Isn't that what you do on this site?

Finally, anytime you use an absolute quantifier like "always or never", you're always wrong.

The bad guy is always right! What he's doing to the girl is ALWAYS correct and proper and he NEVER deserves to have the woman fight back against him.

And I'll stand by my words, with a quantifier. The bad guy is always right in his deeds and motivations, if not necessarily his technique, because any man who takes a woman captive with the desire to rape and abuse her is doing the Lord's work. Or perhaps the Devil's work. Whichever side is in charge of fulfilling man's prurient desires, that's a good side to be on.

As far as the woman fighting back, we know she's going to do it anyway. That just gives us an excuse to punish her more. Frankly, whatever reason we come up with works okay, as long as it results in further abuse for the victim.

In regards to TGG's apparent enthusiasm for wanting to see the man punished, I'm beginning to think he's either a masochist or secretly supporting the other side. Either way, his comments are tantamount to blasphemy on a board like this. Dude, if you spent as much time thinking of ways to abuse women as you do wanting them to gain revenge, I might not be questioning your intentions. But at this point, I may have to revoke your Man Card, or at least suspend your GIMPer's license.

I believe the term that you want is qualifier, not quantifier. Even so, I think I understand what you were trying to say. However...

Nia wrote: Finally, anytime you use an absolute quantifier like "always or never", you're always wrong. (my emphasis)

I'm sure you meant that facetiously, recalling that many of our discussions here are about fantasies and we often play with them as such, and converse in light-hearted ways.

But this just illustrates the hazards of trying to be too definitive about our themes and issues and topics. Plenty of wiggle room here, I think.

It's why I try to avoid absolutes, unless it's absolutely necessary. Oh, damn...

I would also however add that depending on the type of gag, they can be very dangerous. To gag a person so she can truly not make a sound means closing off the passage of air through her mouth (since air movement is what creates sound). At that point, if mucus closes off her nasal passages (most commonly this is caused by a cold - stuffy nose - but can also be caused by crying for example) she WILL CHOKE TO DEATH. In the military, gagging prisoners is allowed IF the tactical situation leaves no choice - however, any person who is gagged MUST BE WATCHED FULL TIME by another person for the entire time they are gagged. (In any case the idea of leaving a woman alone in a cell, gagged for 23 out of 24 hours per day - as someone suggested here - is a death sentence within a day or two.)

Now, to answer (primarily Richard's) comments about real torture. First of all, of course, the severity of the fear would be incomparably greater, as (in any BDSM situation) there are some sort of rules and/or 'understandings' between the parties); whereas by definition real torture is about specifically and deliberately violating (over-running) every limit she has in her mind. However, when it comes to the real situation, if she has not made a decision that she would rather die than... whatever they want; torture is totally unnecessary, as at that point all the interrogator has to do is put a gun to her head and 'make her an offer she cannot refuse'.

The severity of the pain is another matter. While the amount of pain inflicted by "play" methods may indeed be "only a (tiny) fraction of the pain that can so easily be inflicted". The fact is there is a clear physical limit to the amount of pain that a person can have inflicted because if that limit is over-run, the body will pass out and/or go into shock. I am certain that many of the cases of 'heroic resistance' to torture actually happened because an incompetent interrogator had put the subject in shock (particularly in Medieval times) Of course to make things really 'interesting' for the interrogator each person's pain tolerance and each person's resistance to shock is different.

Anyway, there are more than a few people who can tolerate/endure pain up to the limit that would put them into shock. It is also a proven fact that women can (on average) endure more pain than men - because women are biologically designed to endure the pain of child birth (which, if it is a difficult delivery, in terms of the amount of pain, can be considered the equivalent of torture - and for a period of time that my be 24 - 36 hours).

The torturer's 'solution' to this is 'slow torture', not maximum pain immediately (with its risk of letting the subject pass out), but pain graduated to be intolerable over a period of time.

But I definitely do not agree with the finding that no one can hold out under torture for more than 30 minutes - probably most people indeed cannot, but there are plenty of provable exceptions in the historical record.

And yes "It may be relevant to remember that accounts of circumstances during which torture has been used are usually written from the viewpoint of the group from which the tortured victims came. There is an interest in presenting a story of heroic and principled resistance." But there are also plenty of examples in many, many wars, where a person was interrogated by torture but the capturing power never used information that the prisoner was known to have had (so, it is logical to infer that he/she never did talk).

And in the case of the French Resistance, they had a very interesting policy concerning this. They told their members that it was their responsibility to keep whatever secrets they knew, for 48 hours after capture. After that they were free to answer anything asked to save themselves (death or torture). The very logical thought behind this was that, most (almost all) people could be broken by torture eventually and their realizing that fact would make them 'softer' ("fear undermines courage"). So, the 48 hours gave a reasonable target to shoot for and in those 48 hours the resistance organization shuffled everything around so whatever that person knew (and told) would no longer be important.

Ralphus check out Bmovie new bats artwork posted today for I had no idea they bats damsels in Ohio, were I believe you live, for driving on wrong side of the road. I reposted at Stakedamsels forum too. Bill K.

Sure no one likes a defiant victim....

That's not true for all of us.

I, for one, definitely like a defiant victim. In fact, I prefer it when the victim is defiant and her spirit has to be broken by the villains.

I, for one, definitely like a defiant victim. In fact, I prefer it when the victim is defiant and her spirit has to be broken by the villains.

I'll second that.

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The neighbors have been on my case because the exterior of my house, particular the lawn and garden, have been looking a bit, well...neglected. Seems my landscape is threatening to bring down the value of of all the houses on the street. Hmph.

Rather than face the torches and pitchforks of an enraged mob, I called the local nursery and asked them to send someone over to spruce the place up. This is a pretty busy season, and the only one available was their summer intern, Ashley.

Now this girl is a cutie, but she doesn't know an aster from a zinnia. She was fumbling around and taking a long time to get the job done, and I could feel more money exiting my wallet with each tick of the clock.

So I found my own method for improving the aesthetics of the property. All I had available was some black electrical tape, but it worked out OK. What do you think?

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YikYakker: Nice gardener picture. If I were to call the local nursery I would just get a chubby Mexican guy or two. *sigh*

I will cast my vote with you and A Canadian as far as preferring a defiant victim whose spirit needs to be broken.

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Eda: So nice of you to post. And it's a one-paragraph short story! It's kind of nice hearing from so many of our fairer-sexed GIMPers lately.

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Before anyone comments on today's offering, I almost didn't run it because I figured you guys might not like it. I think it's a brilliantly mastered artwork but I also thought, I dunno, maybe it's too rough for even this crowd. This victim here is clearly in bad shape; her body is beaten, bruised and bloodied. She's obviously been tortured, and tortured hard. The position she's been tied in, presumably for the rest of the night, looks agonizingly uncomfortable. You might even feel sorry for her. It's a depiction of torture the way it really is, as opposed to the fantasy where the victim takes a licking but stays looking beautiful.

So...anyone have a response to the picture, good, bad or indifferent? I don't like to offend any of our "GIMP-Lite" readers, but I generally don't run a picture unless it's something I really like myself.

http://www.hardtied.com/hogtied/bondage/2010/04_21elise2/HardTied-Elise-Graves-PD-Pity-Fuck-Part-Two.php

this is another Hardtied clip that has a fiery scene but the brutal breasts and body bondage maybe gimp worthy. Bill K.

I write (again) as this site's resident pedant; self-appointed, of course!.

I endorse whole-heartedly your exhortation that anyone using a gag should do so with care. But I disagree with you on the principal danger. If a victim's nose blocks with mucus, she can clear this, unless it is unusually (unnaturally?) thick, by blowing hard through her nose. This adds the coincidental extra humiliation that her breasts, belly and possibly thighs, are covered in her own snot and tears.

I see the principal danger as arising from the tendency of a gag to provoke retching or vomiting in the victim. If this occurs and the mouth is obstructed, there is a real danger of the vomit entering the lungs. And that IS dangerous.

My understanding of the ability of people to withstand pain is that the point at which the individual faints/goes into shock is very hard to reach. There are, for example, unfortunately only too many accounts of wounded soldiers, caught between lines or in no man's land, screaming in agony for hours. And this suffering from injuries that no torturer is likely to inflict.

I am aware of the observation that the reason that women are more tolerant of pain than men is likely to be related to the need to withstand the pain of child birth. But my understanding (although I do talk, of course, as a mere man!) of childbirth is that most/many women would have divulged every secret that they possessed if that would have lessened the pain. Remember, we are speaking of situations in which analgesics/anesthetics are (by definition) not available.

My observations were based on the premise that obtaining information is paramount. If there is no urgency, or no certainty that the individual has any information, the interrogation can be extended for any number of reasons; the pleasure of the interrogator, to punish the victim, to discourage others in opposition. In such situations 'slow torture' may be appropriate. The torture of the now President of Brazil cited by Margot was clearly not about obtaining information.

Again the instruction that captured members of the French resistance should hold out for at least 48 hours may be no more than a hope; giving the victim the illusion (delusion?) that they have some control over their situation. You state, twice I think, that there is irrefutable evidence that there are cases where individuals have withstood determined torture for extended periods. But it is just such evidence that I have not seen. Sources please!

I invite those on this site (and interested!),to see themselves naked and helpless about to be subjected to the worst torture that they can imagine. If your imagination is weak, there are many described in the stories of Eda Chang and others on this site.

If I were in such a situation and was being approached by an interrogator, holding a red hot iron intent on using it to grind one of my eyeballs (I, of course, have two!) out of its socket or to char and burn away my genitals, I would tell him (or her)absolutely all they wanted to know before I even felt the heat on my skin; let alone after 30 seconds, or 30 minutes, or 48 hours.

Sweet dreams all!

http://www.hardtied.com/hogtied/bondage/2010/09_29314/HardTied-314-PD-Piece-Of-Pie.php

Ralphus and gimpers this is the Hardtied "Piece of Pie" clip from which that picture of the pussy on fire came from. Bill K.

Without accusing Mr. Pestell of fabrication, it seems unlikely that any academic study could have suggested serious conclusions (such as a rather dogmatic 30 minute ceiling on resistance) based on the French underground -- problems with both the quality & quantity of data. We have credible and detailed testimony of successful resistance, see the headline story for the Daily Kos, September 28, 2006 as one example, of many. I doubt these people are all liars; I will concede the possibility that certain torturers are better at their trade than others and that an unbroken prisoner may reflect a lazy or incompetent torturer.

Based on the experience of some of our more determined POWs in southeast Asia, who were rather sadistically treated, it seems that the strongest men were broken over a period of days or weeks and that even then the "breaking" was incremental, with the prisoner giving up just enough to earn a respite but not so much as to impart crucial Intel. Of course it is reasonable to assume everyone breaks eventually -- all the POWs of whom I am aware, eventually broke -- but the goal of holding out for 48 hours does not seem entirely unattainable, though I would not volunteer to prove the point myself. I personally have a deep need to please my interrogators.

Two things...

~ As a piece of art, I like the detail, the colors and textures, the overall ambiance of doom.

~ I don't like to see victims who have suffered a lot of damage to certain key areas, like face and tits. Because this girl is either unconscious or has expired, we don't get to see the look in her eyes (horror, despair, defiance?). And I regard fried tits the same way I do tied-up purple tits - not favorably.

I think Bill K. nicely summed up my own feelings when he wrote:

I can't tell if she's alive or passed out or what, since we can't see her face or eyes. Other than that it's terrific artwork to me.

That said, I don't think it's such a bad idea to post, occasionally, a daily pic that reviles some of us. (Remember the bug picture from Kristi and the Time Machine?).

As long as it doesn't happen more than say, a few times a year, I think I can handle it.

Sometimes the things that we don't like spark interesting discussions. For example, the bug picture, as much as I hated it, led to a discussion about movies in which women are chewed/bitten/violated by members of the animal kingdom.

I like Ayaka, who starred in Investigator Agent - Creampie 20 Times, which I reviewed last year. I suspect Ayaka's Giga movies will be pretty good.

Ralphus' rules for captives a few days ago: I'd like to expand on using blindfolds while transporting prisoners, and in situations after interrogation. When transporting prisoners by vehicle-usually truck or jeep, or being carried as in a picture where a captive was trussed up on a log and carried by a pair of captors, a blindfold is essential: it adds to the captive's fear, sense of insecurity, etc. It's also a security measure: the captor does not want the prisoner(s) to see anything sensitive, like military installations (SAM sites, radar stations, military convoys on the road, things like that).

It also ensures that the captive, should she escape, doesn't know the lay of the land, and have a good idea of where to run. If, however, the captives must be transported by foot (i.e. mountainous or jungle terrain), the captives in this case need to see where they're going, even if hobbled in chains or linked together by rope.

After interrogation, there are possibilities as well. If the captive is going to be used as forced labor and a punishment situation arises (i.e. a beating or flogging in view of other prisoners), a blindfold may be useful, so that the captive doesn't know when it's going to start, or how many. If the captive is simply thrown into a prison cell (a Hanoi Hilton or Baghdad Biltmore situation-the Biltmore was the name given to a prison run by Saddam's secret police in '91, and most POWs in the '91 war wound up there) it's either for solitary confinement or at most, one other cellmate. Communicating between cells is strictly forbidden, but it happens.

The punishment as meted out by the North Vietnamese and modified for GIMP is 30 days in leg irons (installed at the foot of one's bunk), nude, hands cuffed behind the back, and blindfolded. If there is a cell mate, both are subjected to the same punishment, and if they were caught talking to another cell, they should be gagged. If they cry out or talk while in the punishment, a gag should be used as well. The only relief is being let out for 15 min. twice a day to eat and use the latrine bucket. And if guards wish to apply their own "entertainment" in addition to that decreed by prison authorities? Let them. Nothing wrong with letting them exercise some initiative. Just as long as the "entertainment" doesn't interfere with regular duties.

Yesterday's pic: She had a long day, and is going to have a longer night. A bit strained, but the anticipation of morning may ensure a more compliant attitude. Or maybe not. Her choice.

... even if - all they wanted to know - was where to find your daughter (or son) because that is the person who they really want to 'talk' to?

In my previous post, I linked to the wrong bug picture.

The one I was referring to is the image, found in Fritz' review of Kristi and the Time Machine, showing the girl's pussy being violated by a giant centipede.

Actually, I was OK with the girl whose body was being invaded by ants.

There's no accounting for taste.

Ralphus: Tell me this is going somewhere. A professional woman in business attire headed for an uncertain but certainly less-clothed fate. I like where this is headed.

Dear RJB.

If there is any significant difference between us, it may lie in the political circumstance of the situation that we address.

If there is any possibility that the victims of torture will be available for inspection by the larger world; e.g. by representatives of the UN, Amnesty International; or should the torturing regime intend to put 'on trial' the tortured individuals; there are obvious constraints on the methods of interrogation that can be used. One or two empty eye sockets might arouse suspicion! It is, of course, the need for constraint that the attention of the International Community requires, that may mitigate the worst excesses of oppressive regimes. Although the history of persecution in Saddam Hussein's Iraq suggests otherwise.

But in situations such as those in the Second World War, where German interrogators could 'eliminate' individuals 'discretely', with or without questioning them, there were/are no such constraints. Thus the state of the victims eyeballs are irrelevant.

I did not wish to suggest, and I do not believe that I did, that fabrication is necessarily involved in the discussion of these accounts of the use of torture. There are clearly very diverse views of what happened, the degree to which individuals were/are able to withstand torture.

Given the fluidity of the situation, those with an agenda will, quite understandably, emphasize that evidence which best supports their dispositions.

The time asserted that nobody withstood torture for more than 30 minutes was not an arbitrary assessment. It was the duration established as 'fact' by the researcher who studied the history of the French resistance.

Dear Lynn.

As I sit here, enjoying the sight of a balmy, sunny late afternoon through the windows of my study, surrounded by books (all on the history of art and architecture), the horror of that image of the red hot iron approaching my eyeball is such that I fear that I would betray my son and/ or daughter.

I believe most people would break; I do not believe that all break easily or that we could set an arbitrary time limit. I would also quibble - perhaps pedantically - with your citation of Nazi torture methods. The Nazis were bureaucratic, which means that torture was usually applied in an organized, systematic, incremental manner with reference to some ethical norms, however twisted. I hate Nazis as much as anyone, but the Nazis needed a minimum ethical infrastructure to formulate and implement policy. Goring occasionally was thwarted in his attempts to loot art; Hitler was exasperated with a decision by the Wermacht Pension board.

I suspect the Gestapo actually had torture requisition forms, which needed to wind their way up & down the org chart, before extreme coercive methods could be authorized & applied. Reports would have followed. Look at the real life interrogation of Sophie Scholl -- she was beheaded, but not tortured or sexually abused. We generally want to avoid giving sexual psychopaths positions of authority -- though they make wonderful authority figures in GIMP movies. So, maybe resistance is possible for our heroines.

Ralphus: Tell me this is going somewhere. A professional woman in business attire headed for an uncertain but certainly less-clothed fate. I like where this is headed.

Well, I hadn't intended to, but I can certainly continue this series with a few more. It's from Quoom, only one of the best Poser artists working today. Like nearly everyone else who's seen his works, I'm a big fan. Some of his works are a little too harsh for some but I totally dig his stuff. If you like what you see, check out his website in my Homepage URL above.

BTW, this series is based on a real theatrical movie starring a fairly well-known actress. Who will be the first one here to identify the movie and the actress? (Don't everyone raise your hands at once, guys) The great thing about Quoom is he took the scene she was in and expanded it well past where the movie went, like all great artists should, improving on a scene and making it much, much better. He's done that on at least one other movie, too, Natalie Portman's classic strappado scene in Goya's Ghosts.