Electro Torture

[yyy02]

...You will also occasionally see old handheld hand-cranked telephone line ring generators....

Thanks! I was wondering about the hand-cranked generators...

Questions:

1) Is current travel through the body determined strictly by where you place the electrodes, or is it determined by musculature/tissue/blood vessel type?

2) How "deep" through the body does the current pass? IOW, you have to assume that internally, with fluids (blood and all) present, there's less resistance than across skin, correct?

Sorry for the ignorance, you guys know I'm strictly fantasy based.

[localroger]

theelectrician Insex safed a lot of their electrical stuff by making it look like the current was passing through a longer path than it was. In the still you generously gave us, you'll notice that the breast fixtures actually pass the current between the nipple and the ring surrounding the nipple, not from one breast to the other. A lot of their videos feature tangles of wiring which look threatening but actually give an opportunity to hide such little wiring tricks or even a current limiting resistor. The actual hookups favored by RL torturers were more nipple to nipple, or big toe or vagina/penis/urethra to some point north of the solar plexus, which are definitely not safe and will be faked in nearly all porn vids, particularly those by outfits like Insex or Kink that had a lot to lose if they did something stupid.

[localroger]

yyy02 DC and low-frequency AC such as line voltage or crank generator output will pass through the skin into the musculature and deep tissues. Once the relatively high resistance of the skin is breached the interior of the body is nearly all water so it doesn't really matter whether it's a short or long path. For the most part pain sensors are located in the skin so the path length doesn't change how painful a shock is, but a long path will route the current through more muscles and nerves to create involuntary spasms. This is also of course how current that is too powerful will fuck up your heart, which is also a muscle.

As for what passes through the skin, the electrical resistance of dry skin is about 1 megohm, but moisture from sweat can drop that below 50 kilohms. (This change is the basis for how skin resistance "lie detectors" work.) I once met a guy with very dry skin who would touch-test 440 VAC power feeds because if they were on he would just feel a tingle. Most of us would end up waking up surrounded by paramedics. This is one of the tricky things about doing electro play or porn; it's very individual, and you can't see electricity except for its effects, and then maybe too late.

High frequencies, such as Tesla-like coils like the UV wand and red tip probe make, tend to flow along the surface of the skin and not through the body, so they are really very harmless, but also as mentioned upthread kind of not too interesting to actual BDSM players because the stimulation is mild once you get past the startle reflex.

[hornythumb]

yyy02 DC and low-frequency AC such as line voltage or crank generator output will pass through the skin into the musculature and deep tissues. Once the relatively high resistance of the skin is breached the interior of the body is nearly all water so it doesn't really matter whether it's a short or long path. For the most part pain sensors are located in the skin so the path length doesn't change how painful a shock is, but a long path will route the current through more muscles and nerves to create involuntary spasms. This is also of course how current that is too powerful will fuck up your heart, which is also a muscle.

As for what passes through the skin, the electrical resistance of dry skin is about 1 megohm, but moisture from sweat can drop that below 50 kilohms. (This change is the basis for how skin resistance "lie detectors" work.) I once met a guy with very dry skin who would touch-test 440 VAC power feeds because if they were on he would just feel a tingle. Most of us would end up waking up surrounded by paramedics. This is one of the tricky things about doing electro play or porn; it's very individual, and you can't see electricity except for its effects, and then maybe too late.

High frequencies, such as Tesla-like coils like the UV wand and red tip probe make, tend to flow along the surface of the skin and not through the body, so they are really very harmless, but also as mentioned upthread kind of not too interesting to actual BDSM players because the stimulation is mild once you get past the startle reflex.

Thanks again for more extensive and informative remarks.

[yyy02]

...DC and low-frequency AC such as line voltage or crank generator output will pass through the skin into the musculature and deep tissues. Once the relatively high resistance of the skin is breached the interior of the body is nearly all water so it doesn't really matter whether it's a short or long path...

Thanks again.

I've had this recurring nasty fantasy where needles or thin skewers are inserted through the nipple/aureole into the breast "meat", and electrodes are attached to them for the shock...

But I guess in real life that would not happen, more than once anyway. The heart pretty much lies between and under the breasts...

[Edukator]

...You will also occasionally see old handheld hand-cranked telephone line ring generators....

Thanks! I was wondering about the hand-cranked generators...

Questions:

1) Is current travel through the body determined strictly by where you place the electrodes, or is it determined by musculature/tissue/blood vessel type?

2) How "deep" through the body does the current pass? IOW, you have to assume that internally, with fluids (blood and all) present, there's less resistance than across skin, correct?

Sorry for the ignorance, you guys know I'm strictly fantasy based.

Q1: current is proportional to voltage and inversely proportional to resistivity (resistance) according to Ohm's law.
Again (Kirchoff's laws, etc...) current will allways tend to follow the lowest resistivity path: the closer the electrodes are and lower the body's resistance at the contact points, the higher (and morre painful) will the current through the body.
But there's no well-defined fixed value for the human body resistance, I've read values like 1 Megohms or more but this is a (very rough) average and not correct since human body/skin resistance can vary in huge proportions (from a few tens of kilohms to many megohms) depending on many physiological and external factors like: perspiration/skin moisture, skin condition, emotional state, placement/distance of the electrodes, etc, etc...
Some persons have a so high natural body resistivity that they can stand (relatively) high voltages without feeling too much pain, for best effect their body resistivity must be lowered by moisturing and that's the reason why in some E-T scenes you can see the use of a water vaporisator.

Q2: Here we're dealing with a much more complex 3-D electrical network with many (unknow) variables and it's nearly impossible to give an accurate answer. Also, the type of electrical voltage (AC, DC, Pulsed, High Frequency, etc...) will have a considerable impact on the current penetration factor into the body.
In BSDSM electro-play current path is (and should be) mostly limited to the superficial skin layers, deeper you go into the body most harmful (and deathful !) it could be.

[Edukator]

You will also occasionally see old handheld hand-cranked telephone line ring generators. This was again done by real torturers throughout the early 20th century when they were handy and state of the art. They require a two-wire hookup and are more dangerous than prods, but a bit less dangerous than line current. The only porn videos I have ever seen with them have been obviously faked by only hooking up one wire.

Insex used a hand crank in a lot of their films and it is clearly not faked. Nipple to nipple, nipple to tounge...not safe, as you said, what makes it even hotter. Can't think of any other studio that used them, tho. Lots of hand cranks in gay porn, too.tucker.jpg

... not faked, but very likely "adapted" for safety (which was a VERY important word at INSEX).

Insex used lots of vintage electro paraphernalia in their productions but there were mostly there for the decor, used as movie props.
I really doubt there was still an original hand cranked phone ring generator (actually a magneto) in this box, I suspect it was replaced by some "modern" (safe) electro stimulation device triggered by the crank. Or maybe they added current limiting resistors at the generator's output.
Hand cranked (phone) generators were actually used for real torture/interrogation purposes and are VERY painful, borderline lethal. We know Hazel H. is a real masochist painslut but I'm not sure she was willing going so far (masochistic doesn't mean suicidal !)

A hand-cranked phone line ring generator supply a low frequency AC voltage of about 100 volts under load (with the ringer connected at the other end) but I measured well over 400V p-p unloaded or when connected to a higher value resistor (like the human body). They can also supply more current (lower source impedance) than most "electro-play" devices which makes them much more dangerous devices.
Better to refrain from using them if you're unsure about what you're doing.
But I agree they have a great visual impact.

[Edukator]

I've had this recurring nasty fantasy where needles or thin skewers are inserted through the nipple/aureole into the breast "meat", and electrodes are attached to them for the shock...

But I guess in real life that would not happen, more than once anyway. The heart pretty much lies between and under the breasts...

It was actuall tried "in real life" but the victim obviously wasn't pleased by the experiment...

But since the tormenter used BIPOLAR electrodes on each breasts very low current (or no current at all) flowed through the chest (or heart). This is an important safety factor to follow.

[skullchaser]

Speaking of electrocution, I can confirm that all of the electro scenes in my Dr. Squalus videos are faked. The evil electro box only turns on a light so that the actor knows to act, which is a form of torture all on its own. Imagine trying to tense all of your muscles at the same time, on command, for as long as the light stays on. Some day this will become a group exercise class at the local gym.

[MAV]

tried out a new girl for a custom this week with a wanna-be-GIMPer (he can't complete the registration) and it came out pretty good! I'm a fan of the cattleprod as an electro-torture device