BTW, Ralphus: Can the next pic please show us what happens to people who make certain remarks about Ms. Kinkaid's lovely thighs???

Damien

Been keeping a low profile as of late...but still keeping an eye on you guys (and gals).

OK, now you've forced me out...

For Janice (and welcome!): I can't believe you guys missed an obvious one to mention. Especially since it stars Amy van Allen who was in the other title you mentioned. Have you all forgotten about Amy's gang rape scene in Phantacide Peepshow II? Where she gets her clothes ripped apart and raped by three guys in a bathroom. Good stuff Vern!

Recent topics: Escape scenes....I like 'em! You forget that this leads to other take down scenes.

Nose hooks....To each their own, but to me this make the girls appearance such that only a hog farmer could love.

Some thing I do like though is when a girl is flexible enough to have her elbows cinced together. I like the chest arch it creates!

As for music trivia...mine is much more a direct reaction to the Lisa pic. But will keep it to myself (since I guess you don't have room for the answer underneath your wet blanket ;-). Will illustrate the point however with a line fron the song I'm reffering to though: "I got a cock in my pocket and it's shoving uo through my pants, Just wanna f*ck, don't want no romamnce."...

Later.

Happy 2004 (I'm just a rebel, had to type it out, /g/) everyone.

Gang Rape Scene, don't know if anyone mentioned it yet, but Fair Warning has a fairly nice outdoor Gang Rape scene involving Chandra Sweet if I remember correctly. My copy is packed in a box somewhere and it's been awhile since I've watched it. Going to have to go and dig it out. Was a good movie if I remember correctly.

Nosehooks. Kind of ambivalent on those. If I'm in the right move and the movie is good, then it can certainly add to it. Otherwise, bleh. Then again if the rest of the action is good, it works for me.

Since I had to pan something about the Japanese videos, I'll have to mention something that they sometimes do that I absolutely love. Getting a woman dressed up, usually in a Business suit or Schoolgirl outfit, while they are tied up underneath, usually with some type of dildo/vibrator strapped in with really tight ropework.

I was just thinking that I would love to see something similar with a Business suit, all tied up under, with a dildo/vibrator strapped in tightly under her pantyhose. Then forced to go to work like normal. Possibly due to either blackmail (pictures she doesn't want to get out? embezzeling from company?) or because her child is in danger from someone? Dunno, maybe it's just me, but a humiliating situation like that just get's the old hormones racing here. Then of course, she'd have to be discovered at work with that outfit by some horny co-worker who's been eyeing her for a while. He'll of course take her into some closet or office and then have his way with her. Yum, Yum!

SB

Rick, since Liza Cord is such a classic and all, any chance of seeing it on DVD in the near future???

I do not post here very often, but here is a suggestion I once proposed to Rick, but was told it would cost too much money:

My ultimate bondage movie would include the following (5 girls - ex: Tabitha Jordan, Christina Anderson, Monica Moore, Brandi Dukes and Lisa Kinkaid) as an example... Picture this... a dungeon with all these girls chained to the walls... watching in the middle as each girl submits some kind of torture... what is missing sometimes is background footage. That is my idea... if anyone likes it, let me know, and if someone knows of a similar movie... let me know.

The important part is that 1 girl is getting tortured in the middle of the room, while 3-4 other girls are chained to the walls, watching and realising it will be their turn soon.

Thanks!

Great discussion group!

Dan

Danny: Thanks for posting. I like your idea a lot. The fear and the dread the girls must feel watching one of their own get tortured, and the realization of knowing they will be next is a classic scenario. I'm sure I've seen it in other movies. Maybe not necessarily bondage movies, but horror films and the like. It might be a bit expensive for Rick to pay 4 or 5 girls to appear in a scene at the same time, but I'd want to see it.

Thanks

Have any of you tried them?

Any of you going to Bondcon next week?

Later.

Dave, in response to your querie of what we'd like to see, well I'D like to see (and it's all about me, you know) more scientist/slaver/satanist stuff, where the girl's will is broken by torture, drugs, magic or psychology and she is slowly crushed to the will of the captors. Rick seems to have a virtual monopoly on this stuff, though he does seem to have slipped more into the effects and less into the psychology in recent years. I will grant that it takes a better actress than most of the bondage models out there manage to do this, and Lisa Kinkaid mentioned in one of her interviews that this was her least favorite kind of movie because they were more complicated.

Dang, I go away for a week and miss something. What's the new vid that has all the Lisa fans going on? She has been looking better and better to me for the past few years. It's like she just hit her groove and her body filled out just right or something, I dunno. I thought she was just stunning in Ballista 2/3.

Someone asked about Defiance. I got ahold of a copy through...hmmm, maybe Witching Hour Video about 2-3 years ago. The tape was okay quality, and had some pretty kinky scenes in it, including a rape scene in the sanitarium. I can't say if it was "unexpurgated," but it isn't something I'd expect to see made today.

Ralphus-You missed one update in over a year. My God. Call Ripley's. You've done a fabulous job with this board, keeping it updated, the reviews and the very friendly tone of your moderation. I personally think you've done an exceptional job. Carry on, brother. You aren't unappreciated.

Peace,

Iago

Have any Gimpers seen any of the Red Feline videos at www.rfpix.com? These are Veerry expensive, $75.00 each (and no DVD's yet.) They are into crucifixtion fantasies. I encounter one of their models, Camille Duka, on a number of sites. She likes to talk about her experiences and does make it sound appealing, but church collections are down lately and they ask for a lot of money. Any comment would be appreciated.

Finally picked up SotB6. FUCKING-A! What's the consensus on Part 7? I've read on this group that #6 was a lot of peoples favorite. Does #7 come close or is it even better? Is Elaine Payton the final female in #6? If so, what happens to her in #7? I read on the ZFX site that she gets taken "taken fore and aft" by her captors. Any good or just the regular "fore and aft" that I've seen in other ZFX titles? TIA!

Hail

This is an example of a company that sounds like they do interesting work doing whatever they can to dissuade potential customers by overpricing their vids. 75 bucks for a video? I'd have to be either well-off financially or else curious enough to invest that kind of money on an unknown entity. I agree with the others that $40 is a fair and reasonable cost for such a video, and beyond that I'd think twice, and most likely not take the chance at all.

I do have a pretty cool animated gif from them that I'll post tonight, since the Lisa series is over.

Hail: Bummer about Yahoo deleting your rape group, but you have to realize that any group with that kind of theme will not last long with the puritanical zealots who run Yahoo. Just make a new one.

South of the Border 6 is one of the best of the series, but they were all winners in my book. Like everyone else, sounds like you're taken by Elaine Payton. Well, by all means, check her out in Part 7. She gives another incredible performance. A star is born.

My full review of that tape is at the link above.

Hail

Hail: In my opinion, SOB 6, while good, is just a warm up for SOB 7, which rates very high with me. Elaine strung up upside down with a clothspin clamped down on her clit... yes its those little details ZFX does so well. Rick mentioned awhile back that there was to be new footage shot with Elaine this fall. Hey Rick, did it happen?

For Silent Buddha, g-in-o and for everyone else who missed them, here's the links to all the great Lisa pics that our main man Rick donated to the site. It's good to see he's at work putting out new stuff for us. I'll keep these up as long as I can.

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ralphus44/Zulu5.jpg

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ralphus44/Zulu8c.jpg

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ralphus44/Zulu9.jpg

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ralphus44/Zulu14_.jpg

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ralphus44/Zulu14aCOL.jpg

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ralphus44/Zulu15a_.jpg

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ralphus44/Zulu2000.jpg

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ralphus44/Zulu2003.jpg

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ralphus44/Zulu2004.jpg

I have to say I definitely love those see-through bra's. Hopefully, there'll be lots of footage with the bra on in the video. Hell, now that I think of it, I would absolutely love to see clothes pins applies to the breasts while the victim is still wearing one of these see through bras... mmmmmm...

I also have to agree with an earlier post. Looks like Lisa is starting to get a little flabby. She's still beautiful but looks like she needs to work out a little more to get toned up again. Then again, maybe it's just the angle that some of these shots were taken in.

Man, the new year is here, and I'm starting to get a hankerin for some new ZFX vids. Hurry up Rick! :) We all love ya man.

SB

Since photos don't have sound (or movement) it is easier to do them well. One advantage of photos is that if the viewer doesn't like a particular photo in the series the viewer can simply delete that photo from the series. I often find a photo series that contains some great shots and some shots that "break" the fantasy for me. It is a lot easier to remove a photo from a series, or edit a photo to suit an individual's taste, then it is to edit video.

Photos also have the "resolution" advantage over video.

Oh, and luckily, there are both photos and video in the world, so I can warm up by reviewing some photo shoots before putting in a video.

http://www.brutalviolence.com/

I just found it the other day. It has free demo vids that look pretty wild. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with them and if so any problems. Looks kinda pricey for short vids. If non-ZFX post like this aren't welcome here please let me know. (It seems to fit the theme here though).

Hail

They are the closest I've seen to ZFX as far as the nonconsensual storyline, and they come out with some pretty wild bondage tortures and always finish with a rape scene, sometimes simulated but most often hardcore. They still shy away from showing actual penetration with bondage at the same time, still a bugaboo that no one wants to take a chance on attempting in today's political climate, even though they are a foreign company. Their models vary from beautiful to freakgirls, but mostly they are cute. Overall, I would recommend them as a lesser alternative to ZFX, if you don't mind the limitations of the online format.

The site contains video clips of 15-20 mins in total of each scene (divided into 2-4 files for download) and about a 100 or more pics in the form of video captures. No high resolution photos, though, since they only document the stuff on video.

The scenes vary a lot, but there is always a basic, non-consensual story that is very often quite imaginative. All sessions contains both torture and rape, but the balance between these two varies. The action is quite rough (hence the name of the site!). I haven't looked at everything yet (there is a lot!), but I am pretty impressed so far.

It's pricey, yes, but I think it's worth it and they update every week, so you will get four new scenes during a months membership. The billing partner they use (Verotel) is known as being reliable and serious. All in all, I think every ZFX fan will find quite a few clips at this site which makes them more than satisfied.

I have been a fan of rape movies going all the way back to my childhood when a friend of mine described the rape in Straw Dogs to me. During the 70s and early 80s, mainstream movies had some very intense scenes. Some of my favorites were Naked Vengeance, I Spit on Your Grave and my personal favorite, Rape of Love (a French movie from the 70s).

For the last twenty years or so, however, there has been a big decline in intensity (especially for movies made in the US). I have heard some good things about a French movie called Irreversible, which I have yet to check out.

I first stumbled upon ZFX in the mid 90s when I rented a copy of Tool Box Abductions. When Brian Dunhill overpowered and then molested Chandra Sweet, I knew that I had finally found what I was looking for. So far, I have probably only seen about one third of their titles. Interestingly, even though there are many victims who are probably better looking, Chandra is still my favorite. I guess you never forget your first.

Thanks much for the photos of the lovely Lisa, but what's with the digital bluring?

Thanks for your help,

Frida

I rented Irreversible from Greencine. Very intense movie. I'll admit I wanted to see it because of the infamous 9-minute rape scene with sexy babe Monica Bellucci. And like I say, it's very intense, but...how can I describe this?...it was maybe too "real" to be enjoyable. Especially at the end, after he has sodomized Monica and she lays sobbing on the ground, he then proceeds to kick her repeatedly and beat her face to a bloody pulp. It was ugly. Definitely not a "fun" rape scene, but nonetheless extremely well-done, as was the movie. Honestly, the film is like nothing else you've ever seen. I would recommend it to those who appreciate challenging films, because it's an experience you'll never forget.

Frida: Your post is really off-topic here, but I'm going to allow limited discussion if anyone wants to answer you. It would be better if you added an e-mail link so the readers could reply to you directly.

All in all, Scribbler's photo is a great composition. I'd like to see more like that.

:)

I downloaded it off the net (it's all over the net!) and only saw that scene but I understand that the rest of the movie sucks. Some gay stuff too.

Hail

If he is totally without experience in bondage, try to make it a fun thing at first. Try to sneak it into your normal lovemaking. Suggest that he ties your wrists to the bedpoles and put a silk scarf on as a blindfold as a fun game during foreplay. If it works out, move on to more advanced stuff when you both feel OK about it.

If you want something heavier and wants some force as a part of the fantasy, you need to discuss it carefully first. In all BDSM play, safety and consentuality is extremely important. You need to trust each other 100% in order to make it work. I have done many scenes in real life that might appear as a non-consensual scene with a lot of force involved, but they are always within limits carefully negotiated beforehand.

You need to know your limits and how to communicate them to your partner during play. He should be aware that he never must leave you unattended in bondage, for safety reasons, unless he is absolutely sure that you are safe in the position. If you are gagged, he should never even take his eyes off you and he should carefully monitor your reactions to the treatment. You might not go into such advanced stuff the first time, but I tell you this to give you a feeling for the safety aspect.

You are welcome to e-mail me for further discussions if all this is considered off-topic in this forum.

If, on the other hand, he finds your joking reference to be decidedly unfunny, you get to play it off as a joke and go back to what you were doing.

Peace,

Iago

http://bedroombondage.com/bondage/guestbook/index.html

...where your questions come up a lot; it's definitely not off topic over there. Surprised it's off topic over here. We get so few female posters as it is that I, for one, don't mind if they stray the conversation a little. It's still about bondage.

Unicoi and Paulus: Thanks for the photo comments. Don't know how many samples I'll be posting for free. At this time, it looks like the photo set, after it's fully prepped, will appear on the superheroines.com paysite.

Surprised it's off topic over here. We get so few female posters as it is that I, for one, don't mind if they stray the conversation a little. It's still about bondage.

Right, I agree with you. That was why I allowed limited discussion, and the fact that we had an actual female post here in our little Men's Club made me interested enough to let it proceed.

What I don't want is to have this forum turn into alt.torture, which started out as a great newsgroup but degenerated into a place where real masters and subs hang out to discuss their lifestyles and safety techniques and the like. It got to the point where I felt like an outsider because I wasn't into the S&M scene, so I quit reading it.

Our main purpose of the board has always been discussion of extreme bondage video, but I don't have a problem if the conversation veers off a bit. I went back and forth about ruling on Frida's post before I decided to allow it. I'll try to relax the guidelines a bit if you guys want to talk about Frida's subject. It's something we all have run into, or at least thought about, in our own lives. So go ahead and discuss. Let's see where this goes.

Thanks agian,

Frida

Frida:

Try Harmony productions. They specialize in a style of bondage video called "love bondage". Some of their stuff shouldn't put off your boyfriend.

Most of the posters here like more extreme stuff (myself included), but Harmony would be a good way to "break the bondage video" ice...

Look them up on google (harmony.com?) and look over their stuff.

Dan

Other ways to broach the subject are mainstream movies with bondage. There's 'the Secretary' with Maggie Gyllenhaal. 'Bound' with Gina Gershon and Jennifer Tilly (maybe too violent), "Return of the Jedi" has brief bondage with Princess Leia in a bikini costume. Wasn't there a bondage scene movie database on the net somewheres.

Plus there's tons of nice photos findable on the web.

Question for Dan: On your site, there's a pic of a girl on the main page that's covered in either wax or paintball splatter. Which is it?

http://brianspage.com/index.html

"Hank"

I have to agree that the best way to bring it up is with humor.

In fact, I even have a suggestion for you. A few years ago I gave a girlfriend of mine a B-Day card the read as follows: [Cover] "I hope you're not tied up on your birthday" [Inside] "Unless you want to be"

With your B-Day coming up (I'm assuming it's coming up w/your B-Day list mention), create a fictious girl friend who you haven't seen in years. With computer card programs you can make a card with text like above (or similar). When your boyfriend comes by, show him the card. "Look what my warped girl friend sent me..." Joke about it, then continuing...maybe tongue-in-cheek at first..."You know it's really not such a bad idea...;-)

How 'bout one for you...What do you like in bondage movies/fantasies?

Later

PS - Isn't "Love Bondage" an oxymoron?

Hail

I will generally agree with the comments that a lot of Japanese girls look the same. However, I also find their looks very appealing. The average Japanese girl may not be endowed with big American breasts, but they often have cute faces, long dark hair and trim bodies, plus they do the innocent schoolgirl thing a lot and that's a turn-on for a lot of people.

The pixillation of the genitals is sometimes kind of annoying, particularly during oral sex scenes, but it doesn't bother me as much during the intercourse shots. Either time, you can always tell what's going on, and I don't need to see graphic close ups to enjoy a scene, anyway. Let me put it another way: The benefits of a good Japanese video far outweigh the distractions of optical censoring. Usually I can just block it out, and it's often not that obvious anyway.

I never seem to have time to actually sit down and review tapes anymore, but here's one I started to write a while back but never finished. This seemed like a good time to go ahead and complete the job. I consider this to be among the very best Japanese vids I've ever seen. You can buy it at the URL above for only $15, and it will be the best 15 bucks you ever spent. So here you go:

RALPHUS' REVIEW: "HEAVY TORMENT ECSTASY"

For those who are interested in sampling a Japanese video, they don't come much better than this title. Fans of tit torture (everybody raise their hand; we know you're out there) should love it. From start to finish, this is one of the harshest bondage vids I've ever seen.

The first scene introduces us to a Japanese master and his lovely slave. He has her tied to the bed naked, with her legs opened up and spread wide for him. Her tits are also tied up. He torments her tits a bit by twisting her nipples, then sticks a vibrating sex toy into her pussy. He works it around inside of her, making her scream, but that's just to warm her up for some forced oral sex. He then proceeds to rape her bound body, optically censored but still exciting, and her loud reactions to his violation make the scene really work. He finishes up by cumming in her mouth and on her face.

The following scene may not be for everyone, but it's one of my favorites. The slave is kneeling in the center of the room. Her master approaches and gives her an order. At first she refuses, but then opens her mouth and allows him to piss directly into her open mouth, and she swallows nearly every drop. It's degrading, it's humiliating, and I loved it.

At this point, the master turns her over to another master for some training. This new guy is not messing around, and she's scared because she knows she's in for a brutal time.

He begins by tying her in a standing position, tearing off her clothing just enough to reveal her white panties, now tied with a crotch rope between her legs, and grabbing and squeezing her full bare breasts, which are unusually large for a Japanese girl. After yanking hard on her crotch rope, making it even tighter, he proceeds to beat her tits with his bare hand, slapping away at them like they were twin punching bags! Then he wails away at her ass the same way.

The following scene has her tied standing in tight mosaic-style bondage across her body, with her firm tits especially jutting out from the ropes. The master then tightens clamps on each of her nipples, and you can tell from her reaction that it hurts a lot. But that's not the half of her torture. He then delivers a very harsh whipping all over her body, and there's nothing faked here. She screams loudly with every blow of the whip, and there's real tears all over her face to prove that she is really suffering.

It gets even rougher afterward. This time she is bound in a hogtie and slowly hoisted off the ground, slowly spinning as she hangs suspended from the ceiling. As if that weren't bad enough, he then decorates her tits with weighted clothespins, then adds more clothespins to her tits, pussy and even her tongue, decorating her whole body with them. He then violently whips them off her body, and she can do nothing but wince and scream in pain.

As the tape continues, things get even more harsh for the poor girl. This time she is seated on a chair with her wrists bound behind her. For the first time, she is gagged (with a black bit gag) and we can see why a gag will be necessary. The master approaches her with some nasty-looking needles and holds them before her face. She shakes her head and grimaces as she realizes what is coming next. He then jabs that needle and several more directly into her titflesh, until she must have about 20 pins sticking out of her breasts. He finishes up by taking his final two needles and sticking them straight on through, directly into her nipples. Ouch! Using a rope and a pulley, he pulls her up off the chair and forces her to now suffer in a standing position.

In the following segment, he leads her on a leash, walking on her hands and knees, over to her original master. He's going to watch as she is prepared for the harshest treatment of all.

Her tits are bound very tightly and attached to a hook hanging from the ceiling. As she groans in pain, he slowly raises the hook until she is literally left hanging by her bound tits! Her hands are free (most likely to protect her in case the tit rope comes loose) but it's still an outstanding scene, and one of the rare films I've seen that features breast suspension. The master delivers several blows of the whip to her ass before lowering the hoist and letting her down.

Afterward, she is bound on the ground with her hands tied together in front and given a thorough hot candlewax treatment (a staple for Japanese bondage vids) and finally treated to some gentle lovemaking by her original master, a reward for all the training she was put through. Her hands are still tied but it's clearly consensual, and he finishes up by again cumming in her mouth.

The final shot of the video shows her once again hanging suspended off the ground, with separate ropes on each knee as well, leaving her spread open wide. She is awaiting whatever punishment she will inevitably suffer next. I love a happy ending :)

This tape delivers great scene after great scene for nearly an hour. The pacing is perfect, and the girl is beautiful and busty and really knows how to scream. If she had to suffer for the sake of art, I appreciate that she suffered so loudly so that we can really enjoy it. My grade: A

Thanks for the great review Ralphus. I noticed that the site sells tapes from Cinemagic. I recently purchased one of Race Queens in bondage. Yeah, I gota thing for the cute costumes. I highly suggest bondage aficionados check out a cinemagic tape if for no other reason than to be amazed at the different approach to bondage.

I was surprised and shocked. Amused that they allow sex in bondage yet they censor the genitals. And some of the sequences are downright funny. Most importantly, the production is excellent. The picture sharp, the lighting bright enough to enjoy while still retaining a dramatic effect. Its a class act.

Gonzo

Actually what I meant was if your vision of your sessions (by your comments it sound like you have not yet explored them) was just to be tied up and made love to or if you have a full-blown kidnap fantasy role play scenario in mind. Be interested to hear what that would involve (if you care to share that is). If it's really juicy, the idea's might even be put on film by one of the film makers who frequent the board, who knows.

Ralphus~The major thing I don't like about today's pic is that the girl does not have her hands bound. I've got a tape (someplace...maybe still) that has a white girl in the very same situation where she is hanging by her breasts...but the same thing, she does not have her hands bound. As far as, in case the rope slips...she's only a few inces off the ground (at least in the flick I have (had?..never watched it again).

Later

I will say that by far, this girl is the best-looking victim I've seen to undergo this sort of torture. You won't be paying attention to her hands, you'll be too busy concentrating on watching her face grimacing as she hangs by her own tits. That has to hurt a lot! And like I noted, her reactions to this and her other torments are reason enough to see this one.

AvF: I don't think there's any need to go any further into my own personal wishes for experiances. I'd like to respect the fact that Ralphus has let me post as much off topic stuff as I have, and I think it's best we get back to the GIMP, don't you?

Yours truly,

Frida

Frida~That's cool. Hope I didn't over step my boundry...like I said just curious and if it happened to be something that none of us have thought of, it'd be good inspiration for film material....As I believe there's been an occasion or two where that has happened from the dicussions here.

Later

I might of found the movie you were looking for, though I'm really not sure since it's listed as a 'horror' flick. It's called "Opera" and is directed by Dario Argento . Apperantly it's his own twisted version of "The Phantom of the Opera" Release date was January '87, and it stars Cristina Marsillach , Ian Charleson, Urbano Barberini and Daria Nicolodi. The link I pasted will send you to a site that gives a bit of a reveiw of the movie. Hope that helps.

Yours Truly,

Frida

To begin with, Cristina Marsillach is adorable, and she gets tied up in three different scenes, and each one is killer. What makes the first two scenes unusual is that after tying and tape gagging her, the villain tapes a row of pins directly under her eyes, forcing her to keep her eyes open while he kills people in front of her. Pretty wild stuff, and Argento shows a lot of imagination in filming it and gives us lots of close ups of her gagged face. The final scene she's tied to a chair, blindfolded and has to struggle to get free when the room catches on fire!

Definitely seek this one out on DVD; it's worth it.

The film would open with a tied and gagged kidnap victim in the back seat of a speeding car. She is taken to an abandon farm shack with a dirt floor out in the middle of nowhere and ruthlessly tortured. The attacker, dressed in black, but not wearing a mask, straps her down to a mattress that is so old that all that is left is a rusty metal frame and a bunch of rusty springs. He uses zip ties to bind her hands and wrists to parts of the mattress frame in a spread eagle position. Using longer zip ties, he secures her legs in several places, completely exposing her pussy.

Then he tortures her in several ways, including an electro shock torture using one of those converters that they use on electric fences – the kind for fencing in horses. I grew up on a farm, and I can tell you those things hurt like hell. While he is setting up the electric shock apparatus, he chugs a few cans of beer to build up a really big piss. Once he has the electric shock stuff all set up, he unbuttons his pants, and just when you think he is going to piss on her, he pours one of his beers all over her and the metal mattress frame instead. Why? Because that will increase the conductivity and he has something better in mind for the piss.

He starts giving her electric shock by touching her arm briefly with the metal end of an electric fence gate handle. These things have an insulated plastic handle with an electric fence wire on the back end and a spring loaded hook on the other end that can be hooked into a loop to allow an electric fence to be opened and closed without turning off the juice. They look rather wicked and would be really add a touch of down-home country realism to the abandoned farm shack location.

After shocking her lightly on the arm, he starts in on her breasts, and of course she is screaming the whole time and begging him to stop. He tells her that he won’t shock her anymore if she drinks his piss, and she tells him to go fuck himself. So after doing her in the breasts for a while, he moves down to her legs and does those. The screaming and begging continues, and finally, just before he sticks the shocking end of the gate handle in her pussy, she breaks down and agrees to drink his piss. He pisses in her mouth and she immediately gags and spits it all out. He jams the electro-shock hook of the gate handle into her pussy and holds it there for a few seconds. She writhes of course, and when he stops, she begs and pleads and cries some more, and he tells her that she must drink it. All of it. Finally, after a lot more shocking, she drinks his piss and he unloads all of it into her mouth, with one of those sighs of relief that guys give when they have a big piss that they have been holding in for a while.

Then, after the torture, he rapes the shit out of her, right there spread-eagled on the rusty old mattress frame. Oh, and he photos and videos the whole thing, telling her that he wants to take home some “masturbation material.” The guy is a real bastard.

Now, this is where the film really gets interesting, at least for those who appreciate a good build-up. The film flashes back to one year earlier. It’s a sunny day, and the attacker is dressed in bright colors with a warm smile. He meets the victim, apparently for the first time, and after a few minutes of pleasant conversation, he asks her out for coffee. She agrees, and we short scenes of their dates and courting. The guy seems sweet and nice, and we are wondering whether it is just an act. But over the course of their courting, which we only see in snippets, it becomes clear that he is really a nice ordinary guy.

We also learn that he is falling hopelessly in love with her. But he doesn’t get to make love to her. She lets him kiss her, and fondle her through her cloths, but that is about it. They have been dating about a month, and she says that it is too soon to go further than kissing. He is a nice guy, so he goes along with that idea without complaint. A few more snippets of scenes showing them cuddling watching a video, and kissing, and a little fondling and falling asleep in each others arms.

More snippets, showing them sleeping together routinely, but not having sex, and she is always in a teddy and underwear, so her hot body is always taunting him. He confronts her about the fact that they haven’t had sex, not even oral sex or even a hand job, and she sobs telling him that she just isn’t ready yet, and that she has had bad experiences in her life and she asks him to be patient. He agrees because he loves her and would do anything to make her happy. Soon it becomes difficult for him to kiss her, fondle her and sleep with her with no sexual outlet, and we see him lying awake at night while she is sleeping in his arms, her breast pressed against his chest through the teddy.

Then, we see him get out of bed to go to the bathroom, but he isn’t taking a piss. He thinks she is asleep and we see him looking real horny and jerking off, so he can get some sleep. We also see her open her eyes once he is in the bathroom, and from the bed, she can hear what he is doing. And she smiles and rubs her clit while he is jerking off. We see several snippets of scenes like this, and begin to realize that she has been playing him the whole time because she gets off on getting him aroused and then denying him any sexual outlet other than jerking off in the bathroom. It makes her feel so in control of him to humiliate him like that.

She takes it one step further and “catches” him jerking off one night. He is real embarrassed and she says that if he loved her, he would wait for her. She completely humiliates him and says that if he is going to finish, he is going to have to do it in front of her, either that or come back to bed, because she isn’t going anywhere. He is so horny and he was so close when she interrupted him – she of course timed it that way on purpose – that he quickly finished right there in front of her even though it obviously makes him fees worthless to beat off in front of this woman that he wants to have sex with so badly.

The next couple of nights, he doesn’t masturbate because he doesn’t want to get caught again. We see snippets of him tossing and turning in bed next to her in her teddy and underwear, her legs and breasts brush against him repeatedly, and he is not getting a lot of sleep.

After a few more nights, he is so horny he is going to burst, and she surprises him by bringing home another man. She and the other man overpower him and bind his hands and feet. They drag him into the bedroom and tie him up in a chair, so he has a clear view of the bed. Then she and the stranger make love right in front of him. She is in her teddy, so he cannot see her naked body, but he can see the stranger sliding his arms under the teddy, his hands sliding up and down her whole body under the teddy. Then he sees the strangers hands come out from under the teddy with her underwear, which get tossed at him, hitting him in the face.

Then he sees the stranger’s cock, which is a lot bigger than his. He watches as the stranger slides on a condom. What he doesn’t see is that the stranger slides it off again just before entry. The stranger makes lots of noise while they are making love, especially when he cums. He is clearly enjoying the sex immensely.

After they are finished, the stranger gets up and pushes the guys chair back, so that he is lying on the floor, still tied to the chair. The girl slips off her teddy, so the guy gets to see her naked body for the first time. She is totally hot. And totally evil. She unbuttons his pants and starts stroking his cock. Then she straddles over him 69 style and puts her pussy in his face. This is what he has always wanted, but not like this. She starts giving him head, and he starts licking her pussy.

Then, the strangers cum begins to ooze out and he gets it in his mouth and on his cheek. He immediately realizes what it is and tries to spit it out, but it is sticky and clings to his tongue. She tells him that she will stop giving him head if he stops licking her and that he needs to swallow every last drop if he wants her to suck him until he comes. He tries for a second, but the taste of another man’s cum is too much for him and he stops. So does she.

She and the stranger start making love again, right next to him, in many positions, sometimes with her brushing her buttocks or breasts against him. Occasionally, she strokes his cock while she is making love to the stranger, but she doesn’t do it enough for him to cum in her hand. Just little teasing caresses. Then, she loosens the bonds on one of his hands just enough so he can reach his own cock, and he is so horny and worked up that he is about to explode and he can’t help himself. He starts jerking off while the stranger if fucking the shit out of the woman he is in love with right in front of him. He watches the stranger fuck her while he jerks off, and she watches him jerk off, while the stranger fucks her. And the stranger is grunting and groaning away, clearly enjoying having his cock in this hot girl’s pussy.

All three of them cum at the same time. The guy doesn’t make much noise, but we can see the cum squirt out of his cock as he strokes it, just as the stranger and the woman are having very vocal orgasms.

After they cum, the stranger keeps his cock inside of her to keep his cum inside of her, and she starts sucking the guys cock again. He soon becomes erect again and starts getting real horny. Jerking off never really provides the kind of relief that real sex does. She brings him close to cumming several times, but always stops before he cums. Then, the stranger slips his cock out of her pussy, and she gets on top of him again in 69 style. Again, she tells him that he needs to lick her clean and swallow all of the strangers cum if she wants her to bring him to an orgasm. He is so desperate and so degraded that he does it, and we see him make faces as the cum runs into his mouth, and he takes it in, and as he does, she sucks him good and he cums in her mouth. She sits up and spits it in his mouth and all over his face.

Then she gets up and shows him the video camera that has been running the whole time, focused on him. She takes the tape out and says, “Something to watch while I fuck other men. You know, I’ll never fuck you, but I bet you will think about it a lot in the days to come when you are jerking off in the bathroom. You are such a pathetic looser.” Then she and the stranger walk out, leaving him tied up alone. Just before the credits roll, tears start to run down his cheek and he says to himself “I will fuck you. I am going to fuck the shit out of you one of these days.”

Basically, in the beginning, the guy is a "nice guy" who is attracted to this hot chick, and she senses he's a wuss and doesn't give him what he wants, and she enjoys that. She enjoys that she has the power in the relationship and she flaunts it. She goes out of her way to humiliate him...the worst kind of humiliation, IMO. She sleeps with him but won't let him fuck her. She deliberately makes him watch her fuck another guy, then chastises him telling him he's a loser and this is all he's ever going to get. In other words, she a fucking bitch who deserves the torture she's going to eventually get.

That would make the new second half of the film...the bondage electric shock revenge...that much more powerful, kind of a "stand up and cheer" moment, and we would feel good for the guy since we know he's justified.

That also brings up an interesting question. We've discussed this before but I think it's worth rehashing again. What do people think about having the victim be a bitch who likes to humiliate men, as opposed to an innocent girl who has done nothing to deserve the rape, bondage and torture she ends up getting? To me, the girl in your story is unbelievably cruel, and maybe too much, because I have a hard time relating her to anyone I know in real life. On the other hand, I know a lot of girls who would fit into the other category.

Let's get some more opinions.

In regards to Ralphus' post, I think I know more girls who date guys just to play with them then the "sweet innocent" ones. Then again, it could just be that my home town is full of bitches :D.

I personally like it better when a girl who is a bitch gets her just desserts than when some innocent school girl gets gang banged. It's like when the hero gets his ass kicked by the villian but then makes an amazing comeback to defeat them. And everyone loves it when the good guy comes out on top....

Yours Truly,

Frida

However, I can say that the slut who gets it is much less of a turn on to me. Or at least watching a woman who dresses like a "slut" isn't that big a deal. I can put a lot more into a fantasy if the dress fits what I'm looking for.

SB

I must come from the same hometown as Frida because we both know about electric farm fences and we both know more bitchy women than sweet women. There really are women out there who take immense self-gratification from turning a guy on and then withholding sex from him. Like Ralphus said, it’s a power and control thing, and I have met a few women who really get off on that.

Ralphus, you hit the nail on the head with your comment that she gave him the worst kind of humiliation by sleeping with him and not letting him fuck her, then fucking another guy in front of him.

I think rape is the ultimate humiliation. I was shooting for a plot where a girl “rapes” a guy and then later, he rapes her back. But since most guys would enjoy it if a hot girl “forced” herself upon them, a scene where a girl forces a guy to have sex with her wouldn’t really seem like much of a “rape” scene. And if she had already forced him to have sex with her, then the scene where he forces her to have sex with him wouldn’t carry that much of a punch either. One of the best things about a rape scene is that a guy gets to experience an ultimate pleasure with a girl that he hasn’t had before and that he has no right to have.

Since a girl can’t really “rape” a guy in the traditional sense, I tried to come up with a plotline where a girl performed the equivalent of a “rape” on a guy. Something equally as degrading and humiliating as a rape. From your comments, it seems that I might have succeeded at that part.

And of course, women being the cunning and beguiling creatures that they are, it made sense for her to achieve her goals through cunning and deception, using her hot body as the bait and turning his weakness and his love against him.

I agree that if we reversed the two parts of the film, we would all be rooting for the guy in the end. This would make it much more of a “fun” film, but I know a lot of people would hit the fast forward over the “build-up” even if it were at the beginning where it belongs. By putting it at the end, no one would ever need to hit the fast forward button because anyone who didn’t want to see that part could just hit the rewind and watch the traditional torture/bondage/rape scene again.

Seriously though, the real reason I reversed the order is that I wanted to challenge people’s perceptions a little. By showing the traditional bondage/torture /rape scene first, people’s initial reaction might be that the guy is a real bastard and they might even think that the girl is the sweet innocent type. Then, when they see what built up to the bondage/torture/rape, they will be forced to re-evaluate their prior perception of who was the victim and who was the attacker. In addition to being a pervert, I am somewhat of an intellectual at heart, and I think it would be cool to have a hardcore bondage/torture/rape movie that challenges people’s perceptions and perhaps makes them think about things a little differently.

On the other hand, I might actually enjoy the movie more if it was presented in the chronologically correct order cause I would really be really be rooting for the guy after all that build-up. Ralphus, you may have a point there, my friend. If I am ever going to custom this one out, I will have to decide whether I want to make some kind of artistic statement challenging peoples perceptions or whether I just want to make a good bondage flick with a long, humiliating build-up and an enormous explosion at the end (pun intended).

Oh, and sweet and innocent v. bitchy getting her just deserts? To me that is like the age old question of Great Taste vs. Less Filling. No clear answer. I like both types of scenes, with a slight edge to bitchy girl getting her just deserts, as long as she isn’t portrayed as slutty or in any way wanting it. There is just something about aloof bitchy women that I am sometimes irresistibly drawn too, even though I know its not good for me. Darkness can be so seductive.

Shit, I don't know! I've been thinking about it for a few minutes now and I can't decide. I totally agree with SB about the outfit though. Clothes can make or break a fantasy. I'd have to go with Sweet though. It's more of a turn-on to destroy an innocent nice girl. A deserving bitch is already broken in a way to me.

Hail

Hey!

Just wanted to drop a line and say the above pic is from a video made be a French guy named Gerard Titsman. The video is called "The Letter" and is actually a two parter. I think the above is from part 1.

He is into big boobs and bondage. Some of his tapes are more the former than the latter. However when he does do bondage it is usually interesting. My faves from him are "Service After Sale", "Kidnapped & Trained" (I think that's the title) and the above Letter series.

Dan

To me, he is, with british dom Master Keith, the only European fetishmaker whose work is a must-see, probably because, unlike 99% of the euro scene, his videos do not rely on “real” sessions (ala german fetish) : the “discipline” fantasy + fantastic cast mix makes his videos worth viewing, and more than once….

The “Letter” female star is named Isabelle, she starred in other movies shot by GT.

Breast suspension topic : want extreme breast torture scenes ? The GT video Punching Bags comes to mind : (http://www.gerardtitsman.com/AVIDEO/401.html)

And after Dan notified me that the still I posted came from The Letter, I checked and discovered that I had already acquired that movie in a trade earlier but had never even watched it! So I just now took a look today. Some good stuff there if you're into breast torture, although the production was plagued by too much slow motion (including one stretch that lasted nearly 10 minutes!) and an even longer stretch where there's no audio at all, unless it was just a defect in my copy, I dunno.

And after seeing that film and that hilarious Punching Bags clip that Rod linked, I'm sold and I want to see more. And the description says there's even breast suspension in that tape, so Titsman is a man after my own heart.

BTW, Titsman has to be a fake name, right? It's so apropos to his work that it can't be just a coincidence.

"Punching Bags" is a MUST-SEE, but is not typical of his work : the performer Rita, as well as the rest of the cast, are, I believe, German, "so" the video leans more towards the brave-but-100%-willing-masochistic-sub style than the forced discipline or damsel in distress plot. I dont think that GT directed it : he produces &/or distributes the video. Coincidentally, his first dvd rereleases should be out this week. By the way, his slow-mo sequences that are funny sounding (and funny looking), although sometimes too long, might as well be edited out of the dvds (more an opinion than a guess): after all, you can "do it yourself" with your remote control (except for the sound).

Following is a favorite of mine (but there are so many...) : http://www.gerardtitsman.com//ASD/smdAFslp.html

More on Titsman:

First, and probably most sadly, I found Titsman more than five years ago. In the last three to five years I haven't noticed any new material on his site. So I am not sure he is active any longer, but I don't know for sure.

Also B&D Pleasures does distribute his vids. However they are edited. Both Service After Sale and Kidnapped & Trained feature toy penetration. These scene are "blocked" with black blobs. If you've seen the originals, then this is a crime. Best to get them from Titsman direct.

In spite of being about the boobs first and the bondage second, the two videos above are among my own all-time favorite videos. I've had them for years and they are two of the only videos that I almost never tire of. Highly recommended. Oh, btw, the themes are totally non-consensual for you GIMPer purists.

Dan

I cannot believe that he has given up filming new material, but certainly dvd-making is currently his number 1 (and only?) activity... In the News section, he wrote: "The shooting of our "pony-girl contest show" sheduled initially at the end of October was resheduled at spring time. You know we love busty ponies only... This is a BIG problem. There are not so many around here "

B&D mixed Pleasures - Some of his stuff is very hard (I remember a forced milk enema expulsion scene very well..), so your comment on the Bon-Vue censorship doesn't sound surprising to me !

This oughta brighten your new year.

http://www.lyndondistributors.com/videos/pages/vid35bsm.html

And yes, for those who asked, I am still in the business, but we have a big problem finding fresh nice looking busty babes in France today. As you know, I am not working with professional models.The girls you saw in my films were found in the street and were not on the SM style before, what makes my films special, but also difficult. The girls here are okay to do everything, but they don't want the whole world to know how naughty they are, and now, with the internet, they are worldwide famous in a couple of hours. This is exactly what they don't want

I'll answer your questions, of course, if you have any.

And if some guys here have an idea, I, as well as many dirty fellows will be very happy !! GT

et Bienvenue sur le forum. How does it feel to be a GIMPer ? Libre ā toi de confirmer ou corriger les infos te concernant que j'ai distillées dans mes 2 précédents messages sur le forum.

Sorry guys, I didn't mean to speak French here, nothing private in the previous sentence, but our language is easy :-) I WON'T do it again..

Mr. Titsman: Thanks for joining our little forum. We're honored to have you here. Hopefully you will stick around and join in the discussions from time to time and add your input.

I had no idea the girls in your tapes were not professional models. I'm actually very surprised to hear that. While I'm sure it adds a touch of freshness to your productions, it also sounds very limiting as far as casting them. Considering the amount of pain these girls are put through, how in the world do you convince a girl off the street to allow herself to be tied up and tortured on film? It would be hard enough to find a professional to do it, and like you mentioned, once they have their sufferings recorded, there's a record of it all over the internet. It would have to take a special person to allow herself to be abused and then to have all that exposed to the rest of the world.

Because of these limitations, would you consider using a professional, if she met the rest of the criteria (i.e., She has big tits and is willing to have them tortured)? I don't know about the availability of bondage models in France, but is this a possibility? Surely there has to be a Brigitte Bardot look-alike just hoping you'll give her a call and want to film her having her tits slapped. Okay, maybe I'm just dreaming here :)

Like probably a majority of our readers, I'm relatively unfamiliar with most of your works. I've only seen the two Letter movies along with Service After Sale and Kidnapped and Trained. Fortunately the latter two I have the original versions, not the censored versions that B&D Pleasures released. Both those are a joke, but then, so are the obscenity laws here in the United States. My question: What are some of your tapes that you would recommend to anyone interested in sampling your work? Anything like those aforementioned tapes that feature girls in nonconsensual themes? Anything new on the horizon?

Spanking films might be off topic (not my bag either, actually) but it didn't look like the usual crap.

You can find very good reviews of many of their titles here:

http://www.svrpage.net

http://www.spreview.net

I want to see Open House uncut, too, since it was one of their best titles. I have the complete version saved as an mpeg, and the "real" ending (the bondage rape scene) made the rest of the story worthwhile. But the only thing I have to play on my TV is severely edited, where they cut out almost everything in the climax and left me feeling ripped off. I would NOT recommend buying this version, unless you're prepared to accept their own censorship of what is otherwise a fine movie.

If anyone wants to go back and read my original review, click on the link above.

I like them both, but for different reasons. I find that for me the inncocent victim (not meaning virginal, just someone what doesn't have coming what they are going to get)works really well, especially for kidnap (van movies, Toolbox Abductions, etc.) and mad scientist (Ballista series, Cold Metal, etc.). The one catch is that the innocent victim sort of screams for Dudley Dooright to come riding in and save the day. It may be a pat plot device, but it works. I'm not personally fond of seeing the innocent victim lost without hope of redemtption.

Now the bitch that is getting her comeuppance, that is a different story. I really enjoy seeing evil people hoist on their own petards, knocked down to size, or broken into husks. ZFX used to have a real theme for this in a bunch of their Movies (Subject 9, the inventor is forcefully exposed to her creation, or Exxxtractor, the fund-cutting bitch ends up strapped to the machine she was about to cut funding to, or Fair Warning, where the evil vixens end up on an express car straight to hell, for a few examples). I always loved those. There's no sense that anyone should rescue them, so some really anime-style tortures can be applied with no bad feeling from me.

Last is the good girl what is corrupted and turns bad. This one is hard to do, mostly because models seem to ham it way up for some reason, but it's really cool when done right. The girl that still looks the same and sounds the same, but her actions have done a 180, that's cool. For some reason Anime is a lot better at this than live-action flicks. Don't have any idea why.

Peace out,

Iago

Isabelle, the girl you saw in "La Lettre" was a waitress at "hippopotamus" restaurant in Paris (your "Hooters"). I used to go often at this restaurant because the waitresses were fresh and sympatetics... Isabelle was new at the job and when I saw her, I immediately suspected there were very interesting things under her white shirt which was one size too small... She was not serving me but she brightened my lunch as she was hurrying and strutting around. When we were leaving, I asked our waitress: "where is the little blond girl who was serving in that area? She said "Oh!! Isabelle, the new one? She is speaking with the boss, downstairs. I gave her my card where I wrote: "please call me !!" She did the next day and she thought that my place was better and more fun than where she was living actually, a small flat with a guy where nothing appened... The next day, she came with her suitcases.

Everything I wrote in "the letter" is true: Isabelle is cute but also lazy and let's say often "naughty". I had told her the rules. The cameras were ready and a couple of her punishments were filmed. I am not really tough with Isabelle in the movie, but I am glad I could share with you the nice little tears she gave us.

If you understand my bad english and like it, I'll tell you more. GT

Also, the video I had dome with Marc Wolf is available from B&D Pleasures titled "Sins of the Father" - mass release. For that one, we were confined by some conderations of the market and model limitations, so it was not quite so faithful to my scenes (the script is pretty close though) - all M/f - nice nipple bondage in that one. You can order that through the BonVue site, www.bondage.org

If you are interested to see my scripts on film, pick up a copy of one of these.

I don't get it. Is this for other females or do guys get off on this too. I totally couldn't get into it. I suppose it's the same as lesbians in a regular porn movie but I find that boring as well. Just wondering how others feel.

Hail

Secondly, I can't put myself in the place of the villain if she's a woman. And I don't like lesbian videos, either, even though I understand that several people think they are hot stuff. Maybe I'm just wired differently, but I find them boring.

There are a few exceptions. For instance, the film Street Thieves, which I mentioned a while back, was an all-girl vid, but it worked because the two female villains were mad at the victim because she had tried to steal one of their boyfriends, or something along that line. They break in and tie her up in the sauna while they ransack her house. So it was a revenge thing, and I could believe that.

And maybe the all-time best all-girl bondage vid, IMO, was ZFX's Seed. And that worked so well because it had a sci-fi plot, some kind of plant that attacks Penelope Pace and makes her crazy enough that she goes apeshit on Lisa Kinkaid.

There might be a few more that I liked, but for the most part, any all-girl bondage film is going to be weaker than one where it's guys who are dishing out the punishment. Men make better villains and women make natural victims. It's just the way nature intended. 'Nuff said!

Hail, in response to your question, I at least am one person who prefers to see a sadistic woman torturing a pretty female victim (though much of what is available out there along these lines is very much tamer than the M/f offerings - I like the bondage to be as hard as possible, but with a woman doling out the pain). Reasons for my preference include

a: attraction to a hot, mean domme who would torment another girl so cruelly,

b: the lack of any masculine flavor to the scene (having guys in the scene just takes away from the excitement for me - I prefer lesbian porn as well)

c: the "catfight syndrome" - I like to see girls go at each other, and I LOVE it when the playing field is not level

d: I like to see a mean domme force a girl into performing lebian acts with the idea that the girl is not a lesbian, but is being forced to do it.

Now, all this being said, I agree with Ralphus that the studi dungeon/leather clad mistriss scene is a bit boring.. I prefer to have a realistic setting where you can believe that the action is happeneing indeed from a catfight perspective. And, Ralphus, it may hearten you to know that "Heather's Forced Rehabilitation" is really set up that way - Heather (the victim) is abducted (and there is an excellent abduction scene to set it all up) by her boss's wife for flirting with him and trying to get him to cheat on his wife with her. The boss's wife punishes her (and making like she is trying to teach her to be sexier so she will have more success trying to snag married men) until the husband comes back from his business trip all mad that his employee wasn't in the office when he needed her for something, sees her all tied up, and punishes both girls for playing sex games while he lost a deal because he didn't get the help he needed. In the predicament tie, we get to see the victim get back at the wife by struggling in her ropes, thus causing the wife pain in her own bonds.

No "dungeon" setup and leather harnesses - it all happens in a home setting, so it comes across as a more realistic than your standard F/f bondage offering.

Plus, tied purple tits are fun in any setting, IMHO ;^) The model who played the victim had never gone through tight bondage like that before, and was cursing me while they were shooting that video, from the reports I got, so there's that too, at least for me.

That being said, I must say that a male tormentor and a female victim is what I want to see. The reason is pretty obvous: I'm a male, heterosexual dominant. When I look at a video like this, I want to identify with the action. It's as simple as that.

However, I don't see anything unnatural with a female in the role of the tormentor. In fact, the most sadistic and creative real life dominant BDSM players I have met have been female (I didn't play with them, though, for obvious reasons). I think it's hot to see a really good female dominant in action, if her victim is female as well. But in a video, I want to identify with the action, so there I prefer a male!

On the other hand, I happen to be a very aggresive girl when it comes to dealing with members of the oppisite sex, so I can relate to the Male sub./ Female Dom. films. As for F/F, the dom. female has to have a reason for torturing the other girl like what was mentioned. If she's just doing it for the hell of it, I can't believe it or relate to it all, and that just makes watching the film a waste of time.

Truly Yours,

Frida

I've posted it before, but as requested, click on my Homepage URL above for her in a classic "arms over head" pose.

(Nods) Yup. Uh-huh. You got it.

I like these vids because they put hot women in perilous fantasy situations. If it just happens to be another hot woman that's doing it, well, that's just 2 for the price of one in my book.

I do agree about the premise, though. There has to be a motivation beyond just randomly wanting to hurt people. That seems to be a male perspective. Women I think would be more calculated about this. The evil scientist, sure. The jilted girlfriend, sure. The girl that WANTS to be the girlfriend and goes loopy, then kidnaps and puts the "tease" through her paces, okay.

Peace,

Iago

Unfortunatly after getting married I thought it was time to "clean myself up" and tossed my ZFX collection. I thought I kept my favorite "Fair Warning" but I must have tossed that too. So I'm slowly rebuilding. The trouble is that in most *early* ZFX vids I only enjoy maybe a 20 minute section and the rest is just OK.

Time to hit your review site again.

Hail

And women on women doesn't do a whole hell of a lot for me. :P Like others on the board I can get into the scene more if it's a Male dominant that I can identify with. I usually fast forward through scenes that's just girl-girl.

SB

For me there is a credibility gap with a lot of all-girl vids. One thing Rick managed to do in most of his movies (Doc Bondage did this especially well) was to provide an excuse that could be accepted for the victim to be in the condition she's in. In Doc Bondage the first victim is lured in with money for being a research subject. By the time she realizes the trouble she's in she has already submitted to being restrained. Game over. The second victim doesn't come willingly (or really struggle very convincingly, either), but she's up against Drew, who is a tall, solid girl, MUCH bigger and rougher than the little girl she was subduing.

I think that's the thing with me. First, I want an unwilling victim. Second, I want a vid that shows me a situation I can on some level believe, at least enough not to jar me out of submersion in the vid.

One thing that surprises me is that these movies never seem to use the most effective subdual method. In interviews a lot of women who have been kidnapped or raped say they went along and stayed quiet because the perpetrator threatened to cut their face or otherwise visibly mar them. Guys don't really seem to think about this, but women apparently think about it a lot. But I never see that used in one of these vids. Other tricks can be had from books. In Rainbow Six the kidnappers have a spray can of ether. While one distracts the victim the other comes up casually next to her and sprays her face. She crumples in like 2-3 seconds. Sci-fi could use something like a throat spray that temporarily robs the woman of her voice or temporarily paralyzes her (so we get to see her horrified expression as she is restrained, fondled, moved, folded/spindled/etc.), making the subdual easier and "more believable." If she can't scream, then it makes more plausible more public kidnappings. That's be a hoot.

Don't mind me. Just daydreaming.

"Sci-fi could use something like a throat spray that temporarily robs the woman of her voice or temporarily paralyzes her (so we get to see her horrified expression as she is restrained, fondled, moved, folded/spindled/etc.)"

I'd buy that! I'm really starting to get into the whole "Sleep/drugged and raped" theme that seems to be picking up lately.

Is there a website anywhere that states what can and can't be doen on video? It's been hinted here that real sex with a tied up girl is too risky. (I assume that's why ZFX uses the plastic dicks). But why? Does it put it in another catagory that retailers want to stay away from?

Hail

I haven't seen Seed, but the preview of it on one of my videos (I think Warpigs 3?) is one of my favourites, but that comes down more to the devices used (near-drowning/hair curlers) as well as the impression that everything used is just improvised from what might be lying around a place shared by two gals - a fantasy of mine that I have to admit would have worked just as well, or even better, if it was taken advantage of by a man.

Interestingly, I have almost no interest in any vanilla porn except for some girl on girl stuff, so I don't know what that all says. I'd say Rick's right on the money by generally avoiding this. My favourite 'plot' parts in ZFX videos are the corny dialogue and humorous delivery, especially in War Pigs/SOB, and for some reason, Women never seem comfortable enough to make a scene fun, as well as cruel.

Also, not surprised that threat of physical disfiguration is what perps have used on kidnap victims. From a lot of the women I've known, they will do almost anything to preserve/improve their outward appearance. IE - boob jobs, plastic surgery, etc... Myself, give me an all natural anyday, nothing more of a turn-off than knowing that a woman has been physically altered.

SB

NAME THE MOVIE AND ACTRESSES!

We haven't done this for a while, so let's have a bit of fun. This one is relatively easy, so easy that this time in addition to naming the movie, you also have to name the two actresses in the picture. And for extra credit, name the sequel to this movie. The very first person to post with all 3 (or 4) correct answers wins bragging rights and the title of FASTEST GIMPER, certainly worth playing for.

Everybody ready? And GO!

Like this: Col. Mustard, with the lead pipe, in the conservatory.

Hail, thanks for the comments. I'm not so big a fan of knockouts a lot of the time, though I think Lisa did a very good scene with it in, errr, can't think of it...High Strung? The one with the hard-hat lady with the enormous chest? I did love the paralyzing scene in the Dentist, though, and the strapped-down-here-comes-the-mind-blowing-goo scene in Doc Bondage.

Peace,

Iago

Jay and MAV: You were both on the right track, but...oh, so close...

Mincemeat Pie is one of my real favorites from ZFX. It also represents what I consider the best work from Penelope Pace, here the unwitting victim of a bunch of Southern rednecks who decide to have a good old time with her. The humorously threatening dialogue (especially by Brian Dunhill) gives this one a great rape party flavor that really adds to the fun. And Penelope is excellent, as usual, as is Lisa Kinkaid. The sequel, Doer (what a great name for a bondage flick!) is more of the same. My friend Hank Hobbs has supplied me with plenty of caps, so I'll be posting some in the days to come.

I always like the way Kim Noble played suffering victims. I'm hoping she still has her touch in Rick's upcoming movie.

As far as the 70s look, I don't know if that was intentional, but the film is a remake of Whitman's 70s bondage classic Bittersweet Revenge (Anyone know where to find this on video?), so it's possible. Last we heard from Rick was that it was would be released in early 2004. If past history is any indication, he will probably supply me with a boatload of new stills to share with the rest of the group.

I think an update from Mr. Masters is in order so we can have a little more definitive idea as to when to expect his latest opus. It's been a while since the latest ZFX release (last June?), and I think people are going to be excited about this new one.

My apologies to all who had to wait forever to recieve their copies, especially steemedia ( he ordered ten copies ). As a token of your patience, the Soundtrack was also shipped, I hope you all receive it well. As far as www.cut-movie.com, that link is no longer valid. Anything you need is right at www.lostcausefilms.com. I am currently in the process of converting the film in order to stream it on the web for a nominal fee ($5.00).

This feature should be available by Valentines Day.

I dont know if anyone noticed, but the ZFX site is down, unable to process credit cards right now and so is essentially dead in the water. I think it will be back up eventually but it may be a while before that happens. My apologies to anyone who has tried to order in the last few days. Unfortunately, this was done without any notice whatsoever. What your seeing is a continued squeeze against Adult companies by financial institutions in this country, particularly against anything not completely mainstream. Censorship taking a new and ominous face. Personally, I cant stand Visa Mastercard and if I had a choice I would tell them to go fuck themselves. I only use AMEX cards myself, I wont give these Visa back biters a penny of my money. I hope Visa-MC knows they are shipping billions worth of business to foreign countries, most online adult companies are switching to overseas merchant accounts and I guess we will be as well. So much for the trade deficit....

Bitter Sweet Persuasion: should be out near the end of Feb., though this may get delayed by the situation with the site.

Paulus: Thats not a wig you numb nut, thats her real hair, its just dyed blonde:P

Thats it for now.

Rick=)

VISA is making themselves enamies in the entire adult industry by basicly scamming money for various additional fees from the website owners. It's just a matter of time until all adult sites will abandon VISA.

A friend of mine told me about not being able to order from the ZFX site, but I had no idea that VISA behind it. VISA??? That's a huge company. It boggles my mind, but a friend IMed me last night and said the problem is bigger than what I might think. All my adult internet purchases are done with my VISA card, but I have no problems switching to something else if they are going to practice censorship. And like Rick mentioned, they stand to lose billions if they continue this, so they are only hurting themselves.

Gerard Titsman: You came and went so fast. Obviously, people are wanting to hear more. You seem to have certain following, but not everybody here knows your work. I want to know which of your tapes I should be checking out. I like the four that I've seen, and what else can you recommend that feature large breasted girls in bondage?

No actual nudity in the movie, although Angie is stripped to her sheer underwear in the best sequence, and you can see right through it.

I reviewed it last summer on the board; my full review is at the link above.

Guess I'll be switching over to MC officially. I have to agree that it is total bullshit. Can't wait for their president to explain to Forbes why they're down millions of dollars in revenue this year! hehehe.

BTW, I finally got to watch my first bondage flick! Can't remember the title, but it was some of that crappy "love bondage" that you find in your everyday adult store. I'll have to keep looking to see if I can find some ZFX stuff. So far no luck! :(

Frida

http://www.exclusivehell.com/

Second, I'm not sure how much money Visa really stands to lose. The adult industry may be billions of dollars, but the part Visa actually touches is probably very small. First, Visa just gets a few cents on the dollar (about 3-7% in most cases) for charges, not the whole value. So "billions" in sales is just a few million in revenue for Visa. Second, most of what they touch is probably mostly just consumer mail-order. A lot of people don't want this stuff showing on their cards, and most folks just rent porn, not buy it. I think it's probably us niche folks that do most of the mail-order, but I could be completely wrong.

Mail order and especially Internet adult mail-order are the two highest dispute groups for payment. People are forever disputing charges against online service provders and adult sites. Visa may be losing more money than they generate on this type of business due to the cost of settling disputes. In fact, I'd be surprised if this was done due to some or the other moral reasoning.

Shrug.

You might want to take a look at the soundtrack page too, it's got some really good music. Again, those two pages will be up shortly. (probably after the superbowl). Thanks for the interest.

Also, lostcause films is no more, I have done away with that title, although the website address remains the same, the company has switched over to "M2 Pictures" - That will specialize in Supernatural Horror, Suspense Thrillers, and Gore. (Perhaps a cut sequel as well).

I didn't come and go fast, I am just a bit busy doing the F(:-)g DVDs in addition of my job and friends (who need, as you imagine, lots of sustaining). There were also not so many reactions when I described how I met Isabelle and I didn't intend to be boring you with my old stories. I am into BDSM life style for over 20 years and I am also in large breasted girls, even very much before I had a camera. I have a lot of stories as the best moments were live and were not filmed, unfortunately.

How can I recommend you one or another of my videos? I love them all !!

I have read here someone complaining about a too long slomotion I did in one of my very first videos "La Lettre". When I did that, the DVrecorders, powerful computors and sofisticated editing programs did not exist yet. I needed a very expensive machine to do that slomotion and I loved it. I loved so much to see how the mass of the tits was smacked and distorted by the slaps that I left it all. It was not for gaining time. I didn't care about the timing. I just loved it !! My apologies for that !!

Do you remember the tittles of the films you saw, Ralphus? I can perhaps help you a bit, but why not paying you a visit on the english part of the site:

http://www.gerardtitsman.com

It is actually free and all the films are described there. Enjoy - GT

Furthermore, most adult sites are not clients of VISA at all, they are clients of a billing company (iBill and CCBill are examples) who represents VISA and other card companies. VISA is putting a lot of pressure on these billing companies regarding unsuitable content and requires huge security deposits from certain category of sites.

I have seen figures that the adult internet industry represents about 2-3% of VISA worldwide revenues, but it also accounts for more than 25% of the chargebacks. Usually because so many scam sites goes belly up, disappears with the money and leaves VISA (and the billing intermediary) to handle the claims from angry clients. That is a problem with the adult industry rather than VISA and it justifies a certain security deposit from adult sites as an insurance. But what is happening now is that VISA are starting to have opinions about content, and with that they cross an important line in the sand. That is not a business decision, it's censorship. I would recommend everyone to choose another payment option if possible.

The four tapes I've seen are the two Letter films, Service After Sale and Kidnapped & Trained. What I liked about those films was the nonconsensual storyline. I looked at your site and there seems to be some good action in the films, but I'm not as enamored of the Master/Slave theme. In other words, the breast bondage is great but not as much if she is suffering willingly. The Letter films had a bit of that but the tortures were so good that it didn't appear to be nonconsensual. It looked like she truly didn't like having some of those things done to her. I think forcing a victim to endure punishments against her will is what a lot of our readers enjoy. So I'm hoping to find more of your tapes along that line.

HOWIE: Exclusivehell.com...Up to you, but I don't think I'd join, personally. Not that I dislike bondage mixed with violence and gore...I do like it...but I'm not convinced based on the photos on the site. I am curious, but they don't really give you much to go on, and what they are promising looks hard to pull off realistically. Look at the crap Orgasmagoria puts out. From what I saw, plenty of fake gore and not much bondage. These guys may be different, who knows? Why don't you invest the 30 bucks and give us a full report?

regarding "Exclusive Hell", I have tried it and I say skip it. I only downloaded a measly 500 pics in a months time. Try something like "In Shadow", same price and trust me you will download a lot more, they have a very large archive with great variety including the combo of sex and bondage.

"Hank"

I am therefore looking around for other online communities or web sites to join. If they're not free, they'd better be good.

The Lycos clubs I enjoyed most offered images of bondage in boots, arms over head bondage - both nude and R-rated, and bondage vidcaps. These were not as hardcore as what we talk about here, but more like hard R.

Any ideas?

A few of my favorites:

annabelleskink

azotes_e_tormentos

ChamberOfTheBells

ChamberOfTheBells2

pi_ni_te

S-P-S

tammyslife

Enjoy!