There isn't a much larger turn-off for me than to see an otherwise beatiful woman with some disfiguring tattoo. And IMO, all tattoos are a disfigurement to some extent. Some just aren't as damaging as others in my eyes.

However, that's all just my personal opinion. I know guys who absolutely go nuts for the stuff. I don't understand it, but hey - to each his own. Then again, I view a woman that smokes as just as bad and I'm sure that quite a few people here view it as just normal or even attractive.

Moral of the story? No matter what you do, someone will like it, someone will dislike it, and some just won't care. Although I think the majority of men would prefer no tattoos on a beautiful woman.

Me? I'd prefer to look at a below average body with no tattoos than an otherwise gorgeous woman with tattoos.

Either just a personal pet peeve of mine. :)

SB

I know personally, I've given lower grades to several bondage vids that feature tattooed girls since I've been reviewing them online. Right off the top of my head: ZFX's Spinnerette and In Their Nature, Dan Hawke's The Trouble With Cybil and Wounding Wenona, and Forbidden's The Stepbrother and The Poolman. All these tapes were probably better than the grades that I gave them, but they lost points by casting girls whose tattoos made them less appealing to me personally, and also made them wrong for the type of role they were cast in.

I have little interest in seeing a trashy slut, who's already into the "scene", get tied up and manhandled. She probably likes it rough anyway.

I want the sweet, innocent girl next door who gets taken against her will and cries when the villain strips off her clothing and forces her to expose her precious body. That body should not already have a bunch of artwork decorating it. It's just wrong, and like AvF and others noted, it destroys the fantasy.

That's why casting is THE most important aspect of the process. Start with a cute girl, and you have the potential to make something great. But if your talent is flawed from the beginning, it's going to make it that much tougher for the tape to succeed.

I know in this day and age, it's probably tougher and tougher to find girls who would be willing to do this sort of work who are not into the scene themselves, and unfortunately, that probably goes hand in hand with marking themselves up with piercings and tattoos. But there have to be SOME of them out there. Rick Masters has found some incredibly cute girls to perform for him in ZFX vids. I've always been curious to know where he finds them, and how and where other producers go about recruiting their talent.

Some of my favorite adult performers (Summer Cummings and Belladonna for example) have tattoos and I couldn't imagine them without them. However, I wouldn't cast either of them as "innocent victims".

BTW, I am looking forward to seeing more of "Seven" in further BDSM work.

It's weird that girls in porn often adopt adornments that the viewers don't care for. Yes, Ralphus, I agree, I, too, would like to know what goes on behind the scenes. Because inexplicably, most guys seem to hate tats, but many performers get them, even well after they have been in the business for a while. Same with "enhanced" tits - on other boards, the tallies always run something like 95% to 5% against breast surgery. The guys on those boards disparagingly refer to the porn actresses who get them as having gotten "bolt-ons" or other negative terms. And when a favorite performer with beautiful natural tits, small or large, goes and gets herself some bolt-ons, there is almost always a huge collective exhalation of disgust. "Oh, no! Why did Shane/whoever/fill in the blank have to go and ruin her breasts??? Her natural tits were so beautiful!"

So why do they do it? I'm sure some psychology majors would start telling us something about the psychology or mentality of women who work in the porn business, but personally, I think that's the wrong focus. I think it's the producers/directors who should be saying, and aren't, "Damn, girl, you're planning on getting your boobs done? You're planning on getting a tat? Why would you want to go ruin your body that way?" and just aren't saying it.

Just a guess, and maybe a dumb one, cuz I know very little about the business end of porn (obviously, smile). But maybe the producers could at least try to help us out here by mouthing statements like that when they get a chance. They could easily cite these informal stats on boards like these if the topic ever comes up. "Hey, Performer X! Don't you know that the great majority of the viewers hate that kind of thing? Why do it? You'll make yourself less popular."

Yes, some performers shine thru even despite the disfigurements. Many guys hate Belladonna, but somehow she works for me. She's such a freaky goofy looking gap-toothed clownish girl to begin with, that her ridiculous tats seem to work well with her otherwise clownish demeanor. But Belladonna is an exception, look who are generally the most popular girls in mainstream porn, it's usually the ones who ACT freaky but LOOK innocent, isn't it? Girls with real tits, and no tats, like Jenna Haze or Taylor Rain. Those are the girls the guys usually go ga-ga over.

zee-ef-ex.

Thanks very much for the information. It's too bad the Hidden Pleasure videos execution don't live up to their storyboards. Which, by the way, I like better than the ZFX action and torture, Rick has to make up the difference with quality.

Just curious, do you happen to remember which video you tried?

Joe X

It was "Sugar & Spicy". The story is pretty good and there were some decent scenes, including the two most attractive models on the site. However, I found the picture and sound quality to be awful.

I don't care for tattoos either, but the reason people get them is because they like them. There's almost a mythology behind getting a permanent tattoo that runs deep in the wearer's psyche. There's a rebel image behind getting them that some people find appealing. I've strangely come across a couple women that got tattoos when they hit 40. They held off doing it till they were sure that they'd want to live with the tattoo for the rest of their lives. If you go to a tattoo website, you can probably read up on some of the reasons why people get them.

My frustration, as a photographer, is that it's fairly hard to find a model that doesn't at least have a small one. It's probably because those models are more willing to take bondage work because the interest in tattoos can sometimes accompany an interest in bondage. A model, with tattoos, limits the amount of mainstream work she's going to get. Unless the job calls for a model with a tattoo, a photographer can usually find enough models without them to fill whatever job is available. That often frees up tattooed models for other kinds of work.

A name model or porn star can get one later in life because they've already established their name and already have a built up demand and fan base.

> the tallies always run something like 95% to 5% against breast surgery.

I'm not sure if that's representative of the bulk of the population. I've met lots of guys who couldn't care less if the breasts are real or not as long as they're big. The bulk of adult actresses seem to have implants, though the percentage seems to be tilting back to natural. Some models and adult performers get breast implants because they personally want bigger breasts. A lot get them because it's a business decision. The big breasted girls are getting the jobs and a natural breasted model is eventually going to get them if she believes it will give her more work. How many top bondage models are natural? How many top adult stars are natural? How often is Playboy's Playmate of the Year natural? I've seen interviews with adult performers who got implants when they got tired of not headlining at strip clubs (which is where adult performers often make a good share of their income).

If every adult performer started losing work after getting breast implants, less would be getting them. They generally get more work and better jobs, so it's not a career killer. On the other hand, there's not a lot of top adult performers with large tattoos, so there's less of an incentive to go that route. I can think of lots of major adult stars with implants, but cannot think of one that has significant quantities of body art.

I heard a comedian say he likes a girl with tatoos, because it shows that she can make stupid decisions that she will later regret.

The best thing you can say about a tatoo is: no harm done. But large ones are always ugly. The box to Nightmare on 104th Street (from Gothom Gold) has two lovely models in a nice pose. When I watched the movie and saw the large, ugly tatoos each had on her back, it was just sad.

Joe X

Seems like readers of this forum like girls without tats in part because tats destroy the illusion of innocence. So do enhanced breasts. Maybe that's why its 95% to 5% against enhanced breast among GIMP readers. Or, maybe its because readers of this forum are just more discriminating than your average Joe off the street.

I dated porn star Juliette Carelton when she was 19. That was in 1988, long before she became a porn star. Back then her breasts were a B cup at best, but boy were they divine. Hell, everything about her was divine. Everything. Looks, smile, personality, even brains -- she was on a full ride scholarship to a private liberal arts college at the time.

Anyway, I have seen a couple of her videos and her breasts are much larger now, but I thought she looked better before. And its not just because that's how I remember her either. No, she had short hair back then and its long in her videos, and I think her long hair looks dynamite. And I don't have anything against "artificial" enhancements per se. It's just that I remember how beautiful she looked naked.

She is still a stunningly beautiful girl, but the way the surgery streatched out the skin around her areola leaves her with a look that is somewhat less divine than the look she was born with. I wish she had never had the enhancement surgery. The surgery made her look like she was a porn star. Well, I guess she is a porn star, but she looked so much more sweet and innocent with her natural breasts. Maybe that is what GIMP readers want. A porn star that doesn't look (or act) like a typical porn star. I know that is what I like to see.

In addition to that I would like to add that I think regular clothing helps the scene and well as natural pussys. So many in the scene shave their pussy and this is a fantasy killer for me. It is amazing how we all seem to think alike on this board and yet there are so many bondage producers who simply don't get this concept. If you were a smart bondage model who wanted to get work all you need to do is basically stay natural.

Insex is probably one of the biggest offenders with the shaved pussy and tatoo stuff. Their models are intelligent and good at their jobs but it takes so much away from the scene in my opinion if it isnt the everyday look. In short I think we all agree we dont really care to see the porn model in bondage but we want to see the girl next store look or the business professional in bondage.

About why they get them. Some of the women I talked to about it say it's not so much having large breasts as having a good profile when wearing clothing. A lot of women think (and rightly so) that a woman with large breasts will look much better than a woman with small breasts if they otherwise look exactly the same and wear exactly the same clothing. Granted no ALL women think this way, but a majority of women who worry about their appearance do.

They are usually glad to sacrifice how they might look naked (with fake tits) if it will make them look nicer in clothing.

It doesn't help that women with smallish breasts usually have boyfriends who unconsciously stare at every big breasted woman that walks by. When they see something like that, no matter how much the boyfriend tells them they look much better how they are, they won't believe it.

Myself? As long as it's a B-cup to a smallish D-cup, I'm a happy camper. Too big or too small and I'm not quite as attracted. Then again, as long as their are natural they have a huge advantage right there in getting my attention. :)

SB

The other thing about boob jobs is the health of the actress, I always feel like she has mutilated herself. It's gross and sad. JMHO.

As always I'm interested in any movie suggestions with the theme of fondling and rape but little or no violence.

BTW1: Love the facial pictures too bad they aren't real. :<

BTW2: Are Lisa K's "enhanced." If so they especially well done. If not they are especially well done. =>

BTW3: When will adult video make something in between ZFX and standard X. Maybe a little force with REAL sex.

My opinion is that they are A-Okay. While a nice natural B is nice, I want my videos to show the big breasted small waisted girl.

Perhapes that makes the "victim" look less innocent, but if I were to choose a "victim" she would have a large chest. And firm too!

Monica Moore of ZFK fame looks to have a fake set, but boy she has a hot body. Victoria Vixen's huge tits looked real but real or not I loved them. Allison Parrish has what look like very firm B's which look very good on her. That is one case where breast size doesn't so much matter. Her body and chest look perfect and I would be satisified a B on that frame.

I don't think getting a boob job is the same as a tatto. Tatto's to me just look ugly. Remember these videos are fantasy and I want fantasy women in them. While I want a girl who looks like the girl next door I also want her to have a porn star/model body. There is a fine line there. Some of you may know who Stacy Burke is, she has a really bad boob job that does distract. I would say that is mostly the exception not the norm at least for me.

We all want Ds on our girls, but remember unless she is 18 those things are going to start to sag, so I am all for enhancements, lifts and whatever to keep them big and firm!

I guess men are pigs huh? **grin**

Only on tats do we mostly agree, mostly we hate 'em.

On boobs, for me, the smaller the better. I HATE big boobs, I like small pert ones.

On shaved pussies, yeah, baby - clean, always! I have never thought that girls with shaved pussies look slutty, not at all. If anything, they look more innocent to me. Shaved muffs look nicer to me, more streamlined, more ready for action, pinker - you can see your goal. They also seem more hygienic to me and smell better. And, from a practical level, it is so much easier to give a girl good head when you don't have pussy hairs curling up your nose making you sneeze and making it hard to find the clit cuz the hairs are getting in the way.

Racing stripes and landing strips and trims are better than nothing, better than a fur-bush, sure, but completely clean-shaved, totally, is the very best.

My ideal, innocent-lookimg porn girl is:

tall, thin and lanky and taut-bodied, and has:

small pert tits

completely shaved bush

no tats

; and a small belly ring.

Yes, I DID play with my sister's Barbie dolls when I was a kid, how did you know?

Of course, I was doing different things to them than she was, like tying them up - "EVIL LAUGHING SOUNDS"

zee-ef-ex

boob jobs: natural is best, but a well done boob job can be nice too--visually. Unfortunately, it's probably dangerous to squeeze them very hard, so that's a downside, not being able to do that. Bad boob jobs are a shame, and I feel sorry for the girl.

shaved pussy: shaved is still the current fashion, but I'd personally like to see more hair myself. I like the inbetween "trimmed some" but not completely shaven look.

Are Lisa K's "enhanced."

Lisa says they're real (see the interviews)

When will adult video make something in between ZFX and standard X. Maybe a little force with REAL sex.

I think they've got that scheduled for production next tuesday. I haven't heard of a release date.

So here's some questions: Is it worth checking out just to see Taylor tied up, and how much time are we talking about? Does she ever do bondage in any of her films, or is this the only one? Anyone know if she does customs?

You do remember what I'm refering to don't you ;-)

Later.

This is Taylor Rain's official website, right?

What, it's not?

I checked out some of her other titles...looks like shes really into anal. Don't get too excited Ralphus, I'm talking about the other Taylor, with long hair. ;-)

They've also got a few Bondage Classics DVD's for $11.00 and some HOM (I know...Blah, but certain titles come up from time to time), including Ultradom w/Alex Dane also for $11.00.

I really like Alex Dane (much in the same way as Taylor) but got really bored with it. But that's just me as I'm probably kinkier that the average bear.

Recent thread: Bald Beavers!!! Clean...Yum!!

Breast size: I'd have to answer that like out Govenor here in California did in "Pumping Iron". "I like women with big breast, little breasts... big ass, little ass... brown hair, blonde hair....

Later.

Sorry, I'm terrible with names. Yeh, that looks like the one.

I first became aware of Taylor Rain a year or two ago. There are pics of her (all over the 'net now, she's really popular) on the So-Cal Co-eds site, which I think is a site where girls first break into mild "just show your body" porn. I was instantly hooked by her innocent looks. She's got a flawless tight lean body, no tats, shaved muff, yum. I remember thinking at the time, Man, wouldn't it be great if a cute girl like that would do a porno?

Then I saw some more So-Cal Coeds photos of her, this time getting fucked while blindfolded. Whoa, I thought. I was hooked again. Beautiful, plus kinky, plus getting fucked - nice.

So I started looking up her name on the 'net and found out that she was doing movies. Yay! Now I try to see every movie she is in.

Two nice features about this adorably cute innocent looking girl. She seems to like anal a lot, and does wild ass-to-mouth and hard anal drilling scenes. It's weird, she has such a thin, tight body, but she's got an anus that was built for anal sex - or, maybe it just has become that way from all that anal pounding. In any event, when she bends over it says "open sesame", if you know what I mean, opens right up beutifully.

Another thing, lots of her scenes are kinky ones. The one you're talking about (Anal Driller No. x or whatever), her scene was great. If you like her looks, you'll love seeing her, however briefly, in bondage. And, even tho the bondage is brief, the scene is kinky enough and hardcore enough that it's a great scene. The scene I would give an A or A+. But the rest of the movie I would just give a B or so. Good, yes, but it didn't strike me as particularly exceptional.

Ralphus, go back to earlier postings I made on this board about another "mainstream" movie I saw her in. It's one of those Joey Silvera Swervice Animals films, which are almost ALWAYS excellent and which almost ALWAYS have a kinky/bondage scene or two. That flick in toto I thought was worth the price of admission for the whole film, and Taylor Rain's scene was great. She's tied up giving head, loosely and briefly, yes, but still very nice

Just about everything I have seen her in she is great. I saw another one (can't remember the name) where she is gangbanged by a bunch of guys in a fire house. No bondage, no kink, but it's one of the most enthusiastic performances I have ever seen by a porn star. The girl has the most innocent face but just seems to love sex, the harder the better.

There is also a series of mpg clips of her on the 'net where she's in a shower and some guy is pissing in her mouth and she's drinking it down. She is a wild one - and so innocent looking - great combination. She and Jenna Haze are my two favorite current cuties.

So, I hope some of the rest of you get to experience the pleasure that is watching the delightful Ms. Rain. May she stay healthy and happy and be rewarded with goodness for bestowing such pleasure on so many of us out here.

PS: If anyone does check out that Skeeter Kerkove Bait #2 movie I raved about (which Taylor Rain is NOT in, btw), I'd be curious to know if any of you were as "blown" away by it also as I was.

Piss out :)

zee-ef-ex

I've never heard of Julieete Carlton, but whatever. You said you dated her when she was young and before she did porn. What I'd like to know is, was she good in bed? Did she exhibit porn-start sexual qualities?

I've always wondered what it would be like to make love to a porn star. I have had the great good fortune to have some wonderful girlfriends in my life, girls who were beautiful and would do just about anything in bed. Lots of bondage and kink and hardcore fun - lots of sexual activity that would rival what we see on the porn screens.

But one disappointing thing, a common male lament I know, is that I have ALWAYS had to be the aggressor, the assertive one, the one making the suggestions, doing the coaxing, saying, come on, give it a try, I bet you'd like it, etc. The end results have been wonderful, but I've always wished I would run across a girl who was herself un-repressedly wild. Who would say, "Want to fuck me in the ass?" rather than, "Okay, I guess it would be okay if you fucked me in the ass, I'll try it." You guys know what I mean? I'm not whining, I'm not complaining, I've had it pretty damn good, but just once I'd like to know a girl who wants everything I want before I want it. Was Ms. Carleton anything like that?

zee-ef-ex

Been reading the last week or so and thought I would say howdy. I have done a bit of bondage production myself over the several years and find forums like this a lot of fun.

I'll be quiet for the most part but didn't want to be a total lurker :-)

You can find Juliette Carelton on the Internet Movie Database or the Internet Adult Film Database. It is not surprising that you haven't heard of her, since she isn't a major star and she didn't do a lot of bondage work, although she did do a lesbian bondage movie called Violation of Juliette. I haven't seen that one though. Here is a link to one of Juliette's mainstream hardcore videos called Night Vision. She is the one on the box cover. http://jadedvideo.com/yz_result.asp?PRODUCT_ID=05603

To answer your question, we were both young at the time, and rather inexperienced. However, she initiated things at least as often as I did, and she was naturally talented.

Some film names of his that feature these themes are Dracula, Scenegiatta Napoletana, La Saga Di Concetta Ligata, Italie Interdite, and many others. An added plus for me is that the women are usually absolutely gorgeous and I've only ever seen one woman in his films that "might" have had fake breasts. Also, many of his films tend to have higher class women with nylons, big turn on for me.

The problem will be finding them in the US. Or hell even trying to find them to purchase anywhere on the 'net. I've had to resort to downloading them as there is no place to purchase most of them that I've been able to find. It doesn't appear that there are even any Italian sites that sell many of his videos.

Marc Dorcel (french director/actor) also occasionally produces videos that feature rape or forced sex in some way. Again with impossibly attractive women. Can't think of any titles from him off-hand since I haven't started collecting his films yet. I'm still only around half way through trying to get all of Salieri's films. Around 70ish at last count from what I've been able to find, and I only have about 25-30 of them. There is a place in the US that you can buy Dracula, but it's a dubbed version. If anyone has a clue where his films can be purchased, I'd love to know as I always prefer to have the original.

BTW - if you are familiar with the Nightcrawler series of "rape" scans, they are mostly from these two directors.

SB

PS - Shaved twat is fine with me, trimmed bush is fine with me, extremely bushy bush depends on the film and my mood. :P On a real girl, the only downside of a girl with a really bushy bush is digging her hair out from between your teeth. :D

I gave your site a quick look-see and it seems like there's some potentially exciting stuff there, with some multiple clothespin treatment on some damn nice-looking girls, plus extreme breast bondage and was that really a lightbulb being inserted into a girl's ass? Pretty cool. Real or fake?

How about you start by telling us more about what your bondage productions. Do you shoot video or just stills? And if you do shoot video, is it only available in mpegs like Insex, or do you have plans to make them accessible to the public in a more preferred format like DVD or VHS?

zee-ef-ex: Thanks for the info on Taylor Rain. Drop me an e-mail. I have some pics you might be interested in.

Spider:

I just wanted to agree with Ralphus, you are welcome to the board.

Spider has actually been around a long time, perhaps longer than me! ;) We corresponded off and on in the past and even shot some of the same models.

I hope you join me on the GIMP board with the occasional post.

Good to hear from you again.

Dan

I want the sweet, innocent girl next door who gets taken against her will and cries when the villain strips off her clothing and forces her to expose her precious body. That body should not already have a bunch of artwork decorating it. It's just wrong, and like AvF and others noted, it destroys the fantasy.

I agree completely. I have watched vids where the captive was supposed to be "sweet and innocent," but when she is stripped you see tatoos and piercings. Totally destroys the mood for me. I have chucked many tapes on that basis alone. Is is too much to ask for women who at least LOOK innocent, without tatoos or piercings?

Rod

It's otherwise a passable serial killer flick with a little more thought behind the motivations of the killer. The acting is good. The overall look of the film is a notch above most direct to video efforts. There are things that don't work in the movie. There's a gay character, that's trying to pick up the protagonist throughout the movie, but disappears in the last half of the movie. There's a boogieman kind of character that appears whenever the protagonist is in a violent mood, but it's another aspect of the movie that doesn't work. The boogieman mostly mirrors the protagonist's mood and doesn't add anything to the story. There's sort of a confrontation with the boogieman at the end, but there was never a conflict between the two anywhere else in the movie, so it didn't really make any sense to have one at the end. The boogieman is more of an emotional mime than a conflicting demon in the protagonist's mind.

Basically, "Hatred of a Minute" is an okay movie and not one that would make many people feel ripped off after watching it.

I did rent the sequel, didn't much care for it, and never saw the third part. Maybe you can let us know what you think.

RR: Thanks for the review of Hatred of a Minute. I saw it on sale at Best Buy and thought about grabbing it but decided to hold off until I heard more about it. I'll add your review to the board.

But here's the rub: I don't actually like to see them badly harmed. Yeah, I like the girl on the train tracks, but I don't actually want the train to run her over. I'm good with the evil scientists, they seem to have some sort of moral exemption clause with me, but only so long as they don't kill or disfigure the woman. The Guinea Pigs series and Point of Entry (2), along with Xtractor and Doc Bondage were classic for this. Basically, I really love women, and the looks of them. It doesn't do anything for me to see them disfigured. Yeah, yeah, I know, a study in contrasts and all that, whatever. Deal.

Back to the superheroine discussion we had going last week, this is very similar. On most superheroine sites we see our spandex cuties abused, humiliated, drugged and made to do all sorts of humiliating and bizzarre stuff, but generally the disfigurement is kept to a minimum.

What about the rest of you? Where do you sit (or stand) with disfigurement, gore, blood, et al?

Peace,

Iago

zee-ef-ex

I like the pic, but I can also understand how people may feel squeamish or turned off by the site of a woman in bondage about to have her legs chopped off by a psycho with a meat cleaver. I did take that into consideration before I posted it. And I would probably feel the same way as you and Iago if the picture actually showed her with her legs amputated. That's just gross. But it's the anticipation...the suspense...the fear...that makes me like it. Maybe the hero will burst in at the last minute and rescue her. Maybe he won't. Who knows?

I'm not into dismemberment or mutilation or snuff personally. I will admit to having collected a few pics like that over the years, but I don't really get a kick out of them as much as I do pics that show the damsel about to suffer, or about to have something bad happen to her. It's the suspense of the scene that makes it exciting for me.

Anyone who knows me well also knows that I've got a kink about burning at the stake. But my favorite scenes don't usually involve the victim actually getting burned. I like them because of the buildup of the situation, the horror in her eyes when she learns she is sentenced to the stake, then seeing her tied to the stake and the fire lit. The fear on her face as the smoke rises and the flames dance around her and she can't get free from her ropes. That's a classic damsel in distress situation, and it could stop right there and it would be a great scene for me.

Anyway, getting off subject. How about when a chick is whipped and you can see bloody welts across her back? Going too far? In my opinion, no. Let's see some realism.

Some people are even put off by torture scenes, and I can understand that, too. And if that's the case, any amount of pain will be over the edge for them.

Some years back, we had a real interesting thread on blood in ZFX films. It was around the time when Rick had just released Ballista 2, with Bridgette Bayonne getting her face bloodied by her interrogator, and Viral Load, with Penelope Pace getting a similar treatment. And most people were put off by the blood, although I personally loved Bridgette's scene and felt it was perfect for the realism of the situation.

Let's hear from someone else. Surely you must have opinions about this.

Well lets see, a bit more about me. I started taking bondage images in 1995 and its been my full time job since 1997. I work for several websites suppling exclusive content and I keep some images for myself as well. I'm sure you have all seen some of my images and movies somewhere, theres over a million of them out there now. I've done several full length movies as well as tons of short clips too.

My major influences are Andy Adler (still the king of breast bondage) as well as ZFX whom I think really breathed new life into the bondage industry by taking the scene away from the slave/Master stuff to the sci-fi DID stuff he films.

I'm semi-retired now...at 40 and the wife is killing me with remodling the house LOL so I'll be back to work prety soon I think :-)

Great discussion going on right now so sorry for the long commericial....personally I like the Damsel in Distress being rescued before any real harm comes to her too....but I also like to see her suffer a bit before she gets rescued too :-)

Spider:

Good to see you post again. The semi-retired thing makes sense as I haven't been in contact with you for a few years and didn't think I'd seen much new stuff featuring your distinctive style.

As to working together, that might be pretty cool. Of course between scheduling the models and everything else, it may not be easy to put together. However if you do get to the area, please look me up and we can at least hoist a brew or two if nothing else!

One last thing. I would love to shoot Dillon again and the last I heard she was living in your neck of the woods. If you have any way of contacting her or you from her, please urge her to contact me.

Drop me an email when you have the details of your visit and we'll definitely get together!

Ralphus:

Wasn't aware of your stake fetish. I thought I would point out a mainstream movie you might like if you haven't already discovered it, "The Devonshire Terror/Horror" (can't remember which).

Basically it involves a modern day woman being persecuted by the locals who suspect her for witchcraft. However it also features past life flashbacks to her being tortured as a witch. I'm pretty sure this involves the stake. I think she is also broken on the wheel and a few other goodies as well. As I recall she is scantily clad throughout.

None of the scenes are particularly long and there is a lot of bad B movie junk to wade through to see the good stuff so I wouldn't buy it. However I recommend a rental and then you can decide if it would be worth a purchase.

General comments concerning blood and gore:

I also am not much of a fan of blood and gore in images/video. However I have liked some of it where it is minimal -- kind of like Cole/Blakemore's European stuff, which mixed a lot of very sexual content in with some minimal gore. Actually that was the first thing that led me to accepting some of that stuff.

I do remember when I first saw it I was appalled and somewhat shocked. However the fact I recognised many of his regular models clued me in that no real/permanent harm was being done.

I must say while some of the stuff is faked and you can see how, some of the material looks very real. The camera does cut away for a split second at the crucial junctures, but in spite of that, the make up on some of those scenes is downright incredible. I still think they are fake, but for many of them it is hard to see how it was accomplished with such conviction.

~Dan

I'm with you concerning some of the action in the Cole Loops (aka Erotic Perversion). There are insertions of spiked dildos in the victim's pussies that look awfully real, burnings with a blow torch, as well as a scene where the villain sticks a meathook (!) in her pussy and hangs her off the ground with it. I mean, I know they had to be faked, but the illusions were convincing enough for me.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fakerpe1

Altered and or Faked model pics with a rape or bondage theme.

If this post is not welcome please delete!

How come there is little mention about "The Plant" and "Fair Warning" here.

I know they've been out a while but I read the old forums and only saw a few comments.

Are these two liked at all? I thought they were great.

Just curious.

Hail

In any event, I would never call for the censorship of any images anyone else likes. To me, no portrayal of anything should ever be off limits. The key word is portrayal. For example, simulated snuff film, well, that would turn me right off, but maybe it would turn you on. Doesn't matter, so long as it's faked. Can think of lots of examples, but you get the idea. Art imitating life is still art. But life imitating art is sometimes horrible, like real guys with real meat cleavers, yuk.

I have certainly seen my share of Hollywood horror films over the years. The simulations in some of those are both incredibly done, and incredibly disturbing. But, I certainly feel stable enough to watch shit like that without it changing me in any way, and I think that's the case for most people.

Mileage varies. That's what makes the world interesting.

zee-ef-ex

zee-ef-ex

zee-ef-ex: Be real here. It's a free group, with nudity and rape pictures, and the only thing they ask for is adult verification. Make something up if you're afraid to give out any personal information. Just say you're 21 and you're in.

Still waiting for you to drop me an e-mail.

As for myself, I like to see some genuine discomfort and a little bit of pain. No more than that. If she is good enough to project fear, so much the better.

As I say to my partner, "Does this hurt much? No? Good. A little bit? Yes? Good."

The Plant is one of the few vids I have not seen. I perfer the vids with more than one girl, I feel I get more for my money that way.

Fair Warning is an excellent movie. Scene after scene is great with many rapes. It has a gang rape, plant rape and if I recall a one on one as well.

It's also one of the longest ZFX videos so you diffenently get your moneys worth this one!

Highly recommeneded

Anyway, back onto subject here. Sex and Violence, and oh that thing called Gore.

Depending on how it's done and the context of it, it'll either be a turn on or a turn off. As I'm the type who also absolutely loves Horror flicks (even the bad ones), the whole gore thing goes in very well.

However that said, Dismemberment of the woman featured in a rape/nude scene would be a major turn off. But a scene featuring a woman getting raped in front of her boyfriend who just got his arm chopped off and she happens to have a bunch of his blood splattered all over her body, that's a bit of a kinky turn on. Knowing it's fake makes it possible. As long as I don't start thinking it is real I can enjoy it.

Of course, I can see how quite a few people would read that and think, whoa this guys is off his rocker, but hey, that's the nature of kinks, fetishes, and fantasies. Some things that are truly bizarre to some people are a complete turn on to others.

When I think of the weirdest most out there stuff that turns me on, Dolcett comes to mind. The whole forced sex, bondage, cooking and female dismemberment comes together in really odd yet titallating convergence.

And I still want to see a really well done horror/sex ZFXish type Zombie rapes women type thing. Think the original Reanimator meets ZFX. That would kick ass. :D

SB

Fair Warning was also pretty good. I'll be upgrading my VHS to the DVD here pretty soon.

Still waiting on Beyond Driven series Rick! Hint, Hint. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge...know what I mean?

SB

zee-ef-ex

zee-ef-ex

Thats what I liked best about Fair Warning. A little blonde alone in a field getting raped by guys wearing a Frankenstein and demon masks.

These are fantasy movies. The far out shit is the best.

I'm still waiting for some to make a movie of a blonde getting raped by a gorilla with a TV for a head.

Oh well. :-)

I downloaded 80MB of South of the Border 6 the other day. I know that's frowned upon here but I like to preview before buying. I don't know if it was a teaser or what but holy shit, it's fucking good! The blonde on the stool was hot. Can't wait to buy it.

Hail

South of the Border 6 is one of the best ZFX releases in recent years. The blonde on the stool is Elaine Payton and she's fantastic. If you want more info, the direct link to my review is above.

And then buy it; you'll be glad you did.

Rick

Hail

Why don't you buy it and tell us if it's any good? Why do I always get to have all the fun? :)

Okay guys...your challenge this time is to name the movie that the picture above is from. Degree of difficulty is probably an 8 out of 10. But here's a clue. The title should be very familiar lately if you read this forum on a regular basis.

First one to correctly answer wins bragging rights, as well as a date with...aw, nevermind :)

Ralphus:

This picture is from an 8mm loop released in the early to mid-seventies. Put to music it was included on Bondage Classics # 1.

Dan

High Strung is one of my favorite HOM loops, climaxing (pun intended) with a cool suspended rape for our lovely victim.

And of course, ZFX later used that title for the Brandi Dukes movie that I posted stills from for the past several weeks.

Thanks, Rod

Ralphus:

If I hadn't been so tired, I would have had full credit... I thought I put the damn title in there, ah well, no prize for me!!! ;)

Probably many of you feel I get enough "prizes" already, and who am I to disagree!

Rod:

For the most part the films included on the Classics series are complete. However there are three or four I can recall which were significantly shorter on the tapes.

The first is "Beg For Mercy Bitch". It starred one of my favorite loop models -- I thought she was as hot as Renee Baker or Georgia Van Helsing, but she never appeared in the later "talkie" videos. You will know the loop coz she is distinctively costumed.

She is costumed like a slutty night club hostess, with phony bow tie, high hat, black gloves a dinner jacket and also panties, fishnets and shoes. There was no single moment of this loop that was better than the rest, just a fine Cole Roughie from beginning to end on a lovely raven haired, naturally busty model.

She appeared in the first two segments of Bondage Classix 3, "Rude Revenge" and another. She was a hot little minkie.

There was a really hot two girl loop which featured a brunette with a nice natural body and the blonde from "Rope Burn" (Bondage Classix 1) that was super. Hot and heavy crotch ropes, lots of fondling and a cinderblock were involved in what I though may have been Cole's best ever loop.

This never appeared on any bondage Classix I am aware of.

There was another one featuring one of his regulat models (maybe even the same blonde?) wearing a red wig and a print skirt and black blouse. She was dragged into the woods by a crotch rope, staked out on the ground and a bonfire was lit between her legs. This was a standard 12-14 minute loop and was really risky to film. There is about 4-5 minutes of this on one of the Classix tapes.

There was another two girl loop with the Rope Burn blonde and a brunette model which wasn't his best, but was good. Never on a classix. Also there was another so-so short which was put on classix in highly abbreviate form. This one isn't a great loss unless the model appeals to you.

Both of the Rope Burn blonde two girl scenes as well as "Beg for Mercy Bitch" are included on one of the Bizzare Tapes from Something Weird. I believe it is volume 37.

The full bonfire scene appears nowhere I have been able to find. I don't think I have that loop, though I still have the actual 8mm loop for the two girl scene and Beg For Mercy, unless they have rotted away!!!

However Beg For Mercy Bitch or the two girl scene alone are worth the price of the weird tape. These two are among my top ten all time Cole loops. I also liked "Rope Burn", "High Strung" (though maybe not top ten) and two or three segments from each of the Punished series (Punished 1 was the strongest -- though all were good).

HOM had some legal issues regarding the Punished tapes and some other Cole products which is why they went of print and the copyrights lapsed on them. Some of the above loops were almost certainly deemed too dangerous to include in the Classix series. HOM sold the Classix stuff to London as far as I can tell.

If you can confirm that 37 has those two loops (and the other two girl Cole loop as well), but the sucker! Cole fans will love them.

I have a few other videos from the past. These are oddballs released by strange short lived companies or else videos from bad production houses that were better than they ought to have been.

I will mention some of these to the extent I have or can name them if other GIMPERS also throw out some of these "hidden treasures". There is so much crap to be found that anything worthwhile shouldn't be lost to GIMPers.

We owe it posterior.

Er, posterity!

~Dan

Last minute DVD news for you and everyone else : Alpha Blue has just released a new DVD series entitled "70's seventies" (http://www.alphabluearchives.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=NewReleases). The discs include loops from HOM, TAO, RDF (yes, RDF...). How you call that ? Christmas ?

Rod

Re: Removed scenes in HOM Bondage Classics

Here's one example of HOM butchering their own work. I have an old HOM magazine with this description of one of the films they were selling:

"RED HOT B&D: Carole's mini-skirted teasing brings outdoor bondage torment! Her cruel captor starts a fire between her legs!"

Now I know that may sound like just a sexual metaphor, except the picture used to describe that film actually does show the girl spread-eagled on the ground, with a large amount of wood piled up between her legs, and a real fire blazing away! I put the URL to the picture on my Homepage URL above. Just click on it to see what I'm talking about. I also added a color pic from the same film; go to

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ralphus44/RedHot004.jpg

Anyway, that scene in the film may have sounded a bit dangerous, but it also sounded damned exciting, too! So when HOM released "Red Hot B&D" on tape as one of the Bondage Classics, I got it the first day it came out. Here I am watching, hoping to see something I've never seen before, when toward the end of the film, there was an awkward jump cut, then the film abruptly ended! No fire, just a quick little tease where you saw the wood between her legs, then The End. I was so pissed! I even wrote to HOM about it. Surprise! Never heard a thing back from them.

For 10 years, that was my Holy Grail, the one bondage scene I was dying to see. And this year, a friend of mine knew a friend who lived overseas, who actually had the original 8MM film of "Red Hot B&D". Suffice it to say, they managed to convert the film to tape, then converted the tape from PAL to NTSC, then sent it to me. Missing was approximately 3 minutes of footage, including the entire fire scene where the girl gets threatened with a burning stick, and another scene where the girl gets her pussy filled with a wooden dildo while tied to a tree. Both scenes were simulated, and I have no idea why HOM decided to remove either scene, other than they are cowardly and afraid of what today's generation would think of the work they used to put out. I'll tell you one thing, though. That particular loop was MUCH better than the truncated version they released on tape, and very few people will ever have the opportunity to see the film uncut, the way I saw it. That's a real shame.

(This series is not up at superheroines.com.)

OK, so it's not extreme BDSM. Still a blast to do!

Ralphus: I'll see about a gag next time.

Gonzo:

The film you describe is one of Cole's videos released by HOM. One of the last of his productions they released. It starred the brunette from Tourist Trap (the one on the horse in the first one -- is that Jenny?) as a young wife kidnapped by two escaped female convicts.

They take her to the cabin in the woods, famous from many of the 8mm loops and torment/torture her for a bit. But her husband, played by Cole himself, tracks them down and turns the tables on the two female convicts.

The scene you mentioned actually uses daddy long leg spiders and maybe the odd other bug or two. Not cockroaches, but still a pretty neat scene. However aside from that one great idea, I thought this particular vid wasn't one of Cole's best.

The staked blonde was not among his best looking models - having a very tough broad look - thus the convict story line. The positions were good and solid, but very basic for him. Also, I would have much rather the brunette had been tormented for the entire video. This same brunette was in Punished 2 and some of the other Punished's (maybe all of them save the first).

She was a favorite of mine and I always found her stuff some of the highlights of his work. In this video she is never even dommed by him, just the two other models.

Still worth seeing. I probably have it somewhere (I hope), but don't remember the title.

Dan

The actual title, if you want to hunt it down, is The Escape.

There's one small close up photo on a brunette girl who looks to me like Karen Arthur, who also went by Carolyn Clark when she wore a long blonde wig. Karen Arthur did the bottle shadow penetration scene in one of the Punished vids. Two other photos have a girl each, suspended upside down, both of which I don't recognize. Tho I think the blonde might be the heavier set girl from one of of the EP loops and the Violence loop where Cole uses a powered drill with attached vibrator on her.

Karen Arthur is on the horse in Tourist Trap 2.

Ahhh, memories!

There's another HOM/Calstar vid I've always wanted to see in full, only have seen the teaser of it. Basically, a girl gets video tapes of her sister (hot blonde babe) and other girls tormented by hooded Cole/Whitman on it, on a daily basis it seems. I guess they're trying to get info from her, or something. Eventually the girl receiving the video threats, also gets tormented. Does this vid ring any bells? Title? where to purchase?

MAV: Same for you as for Hail. Arms overhead is one of my favorite positions to see a woman in bondage. But, too bad your site requires registration, the enabling of cookies, all that kind of crap which has ruined the 'net. Can't you guys find registration-free hosting services?

I say, Same for me. Arms overhead rules. High heels balanced on tiptoe. Muscles straining. Tendons standing out, stretched to their limits, and then some. Perspiration gathering. Beads of sweat. Skin stretched tightly over ribcage. Breasts jutting out proudly. Nipples erect.

Only after being subjected to a high and tight AOH position for some time is the participant slowly hoisted to a full suspension.

Yummy.

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ralphus44/RedHot004.jpg is a superb pic. Yummy.

Wish there was more.

zee: about registration and cookies, I donno what the big deal is unless yer at work. I falsify most of my info when I create a login for accessing these kinda clubs at Lycos, Yahoo or wherever and if a valid email address is needed, i use an address designated for when i register to such sites.

Chase-I totally agree with your reasons for likin AOH. Thats why Tbird and I had to create a "shrine" for these kinda pics, especially after Malasfan retired. Speakin of AOH scenes, for those of you in the US, 12/17's episode of Angel on the WB is a repeat of an AOH scene that I missed earlier this season.

I wanted to bring up a subject that may have been discussed here before. I like to see bound chicks get punched in the stomach. In ZFX, I've seen this is Ballista 2 (Bridgette Bayonne?), SOB2 and in the Reporter (Monica Moore in both movies). Beating in the stomach, as Lisa Kinkaid was in SOB4 (awesome scene) with that rubber baton, is great as well. Can anyone cite any occurrences of other such scenes either in ZFX or anywhere else?

I recently found a whole 5 minute clip outta nowhere at Dina Vannoni's (She did some modeling for superheroinecentral.com) paysite, dinarotica.net where she is tied topless in a thong AOH and used as a punching bag. It was a surprise because she is not a bondage model and the clip was supposed to be a nude wrestling clip.

I find it interesting that you like to see women get punched in the stomach. We all have different tastes, and that is something that doesn't appeal to me because seeing anyone punched in the stomach gives me a stomach ache. I guess that's because I tend to sympathize with the victim in these kinds of movies.

But that's what is so cool about this board -- we all have a similar interest in this genre of video, yet we each have our own distince taste in what we like to see and what we don't like to see.

Now, you may be wondering why in the world I would watch these kinds of videos if I tend to sympathize with the victim. Well, its because, my ultimate fantasy is to experience a vaginal rape from a woman's point of view. Mind you, this is just a fantasy, and there is no way I could even act it out with a willing partner, since I am in fact a straight man. But, when I watch these kinds of videos, I am usually fantasizing about what the woman is thinking and feeling at that point in time, what are her apprehensions during the build-up, how does it feel to have a guy that just tortured her getting off inside of her. Fantasizing about being the victim of that kind of abuse is kind of a rush for me. But at the same time, it limits the types of things I like to watch. Give me a little stripping before the rape, or perhaps even a little whipping, and I will be all turned on. But fantasizing about getting punched in the stomach just gives me a stomach ache. But that's just me, and my own particular kinks.

So, I am curious about other people's interests. And I would be interested to know why you like the stomach punch?

Along the same lines, this a favorite fetish of mine: using her breasts as punching bags. I first saw this in a Japanese film called Birds of Prey, an old Nikkatsu film which was later re-released by Bon Vue. In the film, our beautiful victim is tied with her arms over her head. The villain opens up her top to expose her rather large breasts, then repeatedly slaps away at them HARD, left to right, back and forth, several times, and it was a killer scene. I'm a breast torture man myself, and while I've seen drawings that employ the same theme, I don't recall too many other movies where this technique is used.

But I always wonder why I never see any big titted chick getting punched in the tits.

To fake it you wouldn't really need to hit with much impact just enough to sink the fist in.

I haven't even seen this type of image in still photos. Too much fear of blowing an implant? :-)

I'd love to see a big chested blonde tied up with her hands above her head and her tits used like a punching bag.

Shit, there's a lot I want to see!!

Hail

Chase-I totally agree with your reasons for likin AOH. Thats why Tbird and I had to create a "shrine" for these kinda pics, especially after Malasfan retired.

I say:

Where is your shine? Got a URL? I'd love to visit.

If the storyline is supposed to be more realistic, I'd go for face slaps and butt spankings, rubber hose beatings (ala High Strung) and whippings. A stomach punch might seem a little much, but I'm not completely against it. Depends how it's done. I would think it should be a pulled punch, somewhat debilitating but not overly so. People have died from stomach punches (like Houdini).

Mav said: Nice pic from superheroines.com. Are there a lot of these AOH-type pics at that site? I may have to consider a membership.

There's some AOH, but there's a variety of different bondage positions. However, like I said in my post, the series where that jpg of 2 photos came from is not up at superheroines.com currently, so don't be disappointed if you join and it's not there.

Chase-I cant believe you forgot about AOH Central at Lycos so soon. You've visited and posted there before, but the link is above (you need to set up a Lycos login) if you lost it.

MAV, Excellent point about the advantages of AOH and how it can show off a girl's flat belly and protruding breasts. I am a big fan of spread-eagle, which also shows off a flat stomach, but doesn't usually allow the breasts to protrude.

My three major criteria are:

1. The actress MUST be hot, or I'm out the door from the word go.

2. It must be non-consensual or I'm falling asleep. If I want to see real sex I go have it in real life. For my porn I want to see some naked hottie getting completely used up, totally against her will by some merciless asshole who couldn't give two shits about how she feels about it.

3. It has to be fantasy, because shit like Insex just creeps me out. When it's real I start to feel sorry for the girl, and that's a big turn off.

As long as those three factors are firmly in place, anything goes for me, and the more real they make it look the better. This stuff is all fantasy, and I just don't see the point in limiting where fantasy can take me. Hey, I wouldn't dream of really harming another person against their will in real life, but I LOVE the fantasy of seeing incredibly hot women completely helpless having all manner of horrible things done to them. (You have to love a place where a sentence like that puts you in the norm.) So do I love to see a beautiful naked women with AOH being punched in the stomach? HELL YA!!! As long as it doesn't look retarded because the people doing it couldn't act to save their lives. Dam, I don't see how you couldn't love it, I say keep punching her till she passes out, then do it again when she wakes up. : )

Ralphus, do you know if that Birds of Prey movie is at Video Mayhem? It sounds hot.

Since I have been so quite for so long, I'd also like to complement Dan Hawke on his great site. I'd been to the site many times in the past, but was never tempted enough to join because it looked a little to much like Close Up Concepts (Are they even still around?) type of stuff. But since you have started posting to this board I decided to give it a shot and wasn't in the least bit disappointed. Anyone who hasn't taken the plunge there yet I would HIGHLY recommend it. I have no idea what Dan's slipping in these chicks drinks but he has some of the most drop dead gorgeous models I've ever seen do this type of material. Kudos, and keep up the great work Dan, you lucky bastard! (^_^)

And to end COMPLETELY off topic, I just got back from Return of the King. If you like the first two, don't walk, run out to the theaters, because this movie is fucking amazing!

Nope, Birds of Prey is owned by Bon Vue. It's available for $39.95 at the URL above. I do recommend this one, especially for fans of Japanese bondage. Good story, attractive woman, some unusual torture scenes. Worth the investment, IMO.

That toon is fucking great!! Totally unexpected too!!

And exactly what I was talking about.

Thanks to... Ralphus? (I'm not really sure who's who here yet)

Hail

Funny http://www.bestandworst.com

Artwork http://necrobabes.org/ricky/main.html

Any fans of Bookcover Art out there? Those old Greenleaf and Esquire Covers are my all time favorites! http://www.e-rauction.com/id657.htm

More Paperback covers. You might need to register but I usually just give bogus info and it lets me right in. http://www.readmagic.com/Default.htm

Wild stuff! Check out the Links section too. http://www.bdsmlife.net/arcimboldo/main.htm

Roberts Comic among others. You might need a MSN account. http://groups.msn.com/LaMansardadiMiele/garyrobertsbrutalpolice.msnw

Zimmerman art http://ozgolith.com/zimmerman/index2.php

Russian comic site. Scroll down for Galleries. GMan is outstanding! Don't miss all 4 of his pages. http://desadov.com/index2.shtml

Some outstanding Poser Art. http://www.renderotica.com

Here's a paysite but pretty wild if you're interested: http://www.ultrascifihorror.com/pview/home.htm

BDSM http://www.silent-screams.com/main.html

Clown Killer. Amusing Flash in case you need something different. http://www.matazone.co.uk/halloween_special_2002.html

Stile Project http://www.stileproject.com

Stories http://allme.com/stories/agthomas/ http://www.asstr.org/~Kristen/main.htm http://www.literotica.com/stories/stories_by_category.php?category=13

I hope this posts clearly.

Share your own favorite links too!!

Hail

I just wanted to let everyone know that the free sample pics on my site have been updated.

Go to www.davedarke.com and help yourself to some free pics.

While you're there, don't forget to check out some scenes from my new video, soon to be released by Bound & Delivered (www.boundanddelivered.com)

Happy Holidays to All!

Dave Darke

HOWIE: The actress MUST be hot, or I'm out the door from the word go.

ME: Yep. HOT. She must make me want her right away. She has to give me a blue-steel hard-on in seconds.

HOWIE: It must be non-consensual or I'm falling asleep.

ME: Yep. Non-con all the way. Well-acted force is sexy. Dad acting is just embarrassing.

HOWIE: It has to be fantasy, because shit like Insex just creeps me out. When it's real I start to feel sorry for the girl, and that's a big turn off.

ME: Yep. Fantasy all the way. I wondered if anyone else felt weird about the Insex stuff. Now I know they do.

HOWIE: I LOVE the fantasy of seeing incredibly hot women completely helpless having all manner of horrible things done to them.

ME: Yep.

I DID remember AOH Central at Lycos, however. Cool place.

Also, I can't tell from her position what her body looks like. Does she have a killer bod? If she was beckoning to me from beneath the covers of my bed, would I want her?

She makes me want to look away. But to each his own.

It was a live feed (a show broadcasted to the members over the Net) and I was visiting New York at the time and since I know the Insex people, I visited the studio. I helped building the rig she is in and also helped to put her in it during the show.

I definately enjoy Insex, since it's the real deal. Nothing that happens there is faked, which also means that the girls has to be truly into the scene to be able to perform there. I have nothing against BDSM videos with staged action if it is well done, but being an active BDSM practicioner, I do appreciate seeing a performance that I know is 100% genuine.

I've always been a fan of classic bondage tapes, like California Star's "Bittersweet Revenge" is a favorite. Nice scenes, including some neck bondage against a wire fence, with Georgia Van Helsing. "Top Secret" with Vannessa Del Rio was also fun, spending a fair bit of time bound and ball-gagged, with her tits getting some appropriate attention. Anyone know if these two are around on DVD?

Insex is great. As a fan of intense, no-fooling scenarios, they're up there with Dan Hawke in my books... and is it any wonder they've both features the girl-next-door Tyler Scot? The scenarios created by PD at Insex are intense, both in physical and psychological terms. Not for all tastes (on average not many), but to my tastes, it rises to the level of art. There's a high-level of commitment shown by Insex and its subjects (Cowgirl, 912, 731, 1016, Spacegirl, Piglet, Tyler Scot to name a few). It does not mess around.

BTW, does anyone know of the current status of Tyler Scot? I noticed her website was shutdown in the last couple of months.

If Dan Hawke is reading this, do you have any recollections of the work you did with her?

PD certainly has his unique vision, and I'd love to hear his philosophy about his work compared to other bondage producers. I e-mailed him a couple of times inviting him to post to this forum, and I heard back once from his assistant a month and a half later, but nothing ever came of it.

Getting back to Liz Tyler, she's an amazing woman, a great natural performer with a killer bod, and PD really made her suffer in his sessions he put her through. In the particular pic I posted, you can see her breasts are red and engorged, as a result of those huge suction devices he put over them, and he also used it on her pussy until it was cherry red and swollen. In fact, by the time Liz was through with the entire intense session, she was sporting some nasty red marks all over her body, including a scene where her breasts were actually nailed to a board, and the camera caught the bloody results after they were removed.

Yet for all the abuse she allowed herself to be put though, to me, nothing tops watching her go through her paces in the Hawke movie. I would rather watch Lashing Liz again than any of her Insex mpegs that I downloaded.

When I look at her Insex stuff, I see a masochistic girl stretching to see how much pain she can take. Interesting, to be sure, sometimes even fascinating, but for me, anyway, it's just not that arousing. Consensuality is the key for me, or rather the lack of it. Yes, Liz is suffering, but she's also willingly allowing PD to do this stuff to her, and sometimes even talking to him and joking about it as he's preparing her for the sessions. That takes a bit of the edge off it, and with it a great deal of my fun.

In my book, forcing is just much more exciting. It's the whole fantasy element of taking a pretty girl against her will and doing whatever the hell you please to her, and if she's unwilling, that makes it even better. Take any good ZFX flick, or a Gary Roberts cartoon, and there's a big difference in the attitude. If I were given a choice, I would rather see Liz suffer at the hands of Dan, because he likes to record a model's real torment, but combines that with a nonconsensual storyline that helps me enjoy the fantasy, as well.

So I'm taking an afternoon to check out what's new at the local adult video store. Living in a big city, I am lucky enough to have a lot of choice. In fact, there is one in town that caters ENTIRELY to fetish videos.

They also have the deal where they highlight certain DVD/videos that you can check out in those little booths, and among those highlighted DVDs are the Erotic Perversion loops. Yep, I'm talking about Violence 1, 2, and 3. Though I have only seen a few scenes of these gems, I recognized the one with the brunette getting her breasts skewered.

Now I have been VERY interested in getting a hold of these on DVD. And the best I thought I could hope for was a bootleg, but this was a more 'official' looking release, with box photos and everything. What gives?

The guy behind the counter was no help as he doesn't order them. And the guy that DOES order them will not give out a lot of info because he wants me to pay the $70 for each copy. BTW $70 is what this store charges for ALL titles, even the old crappy 80s HOM titles that ebay for $5.

Never fear, fellow GIMPers, Gonzo is on the case. I convinced the guy to let me look at the box. This release comes from the Netherlands. I gotta wonder if they actually bought the rights. The only thing I could find that resembed a company name is 'Scala'.

So this ring any bells? Anyone else hear about these being released officially? Think these are bootlegs? Anyone know a place selling them more cheaply?

Gonzo

Liz retired! bummer. I thought she was doing a lot for hogtied.com or one of the related sites. I didn't care much for Lashing Liz the vid, but I like Liz. Yes, I'd heard Tyler Scott retired too.

I've seen some insex. Nothing to prompt me to join. Various .rm movie that are pretty slow going.

Concerning the CalStar dvd reissues (US market included), I wrote them a few months back, and they confirmed that they would re-release their older material on dvd (I even mentioned the Cole films): it could be true, since at least one of their recent dvd is a reissue of an old Kiri Kelly - Jay Dee spanking movie (late 80's?). The Cole/Whitman stuff is slightly older though, and I recall one post by Rick in which he mentioned legal issues regarding the "strictly Cole" CalStar material..

Been a long time since I posted...maybe a couple of years. But I'm always lurking. Just piped in today to let Rick know of this site that's apparently bootlegging Balista. Go get 'em, boss!

Insex has a very unique style and, as pointed out below, it's all about the visions and philosophies of pd, the man behind it all. Scribbler called the video clips "slow going" and that is true if you see isolated clips taken out of context. The movies are real time depictions of actual sessions. The only thing that is cut out in the posted versions is when various equipment is carried on and off stage. Since this is real and very intense action, pd needs to pace the session carefully, otherwise the model will not make it through the ordeal. There is no way you can get the fast paced action in an edited movie such as ZFX or others. And you can't really compare: ZFX tells a story that includes BDSM action. Insex depicts a BDSM session the way it is carried out. Two different things, and I like them both.

You can edit anything. I could take a 1 hour insex shoot of a real time scene and cut it down to 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 15, etc or any lesser than 1 hour number. Depending on how it's shot, I could even take that 1 hour footage and make it go longer in editing if I wanted (don't want too, but could).

Insex doesn't seem to want to do any editing, up the pace, and that's perfectly fine for their audience, that's their choice, their intent, PD's vision. But to say "There is no way you can get the fast paced action in an edited movie," well, that's not true. All you have to do is edit it! PD wouldn't even have to change anything else he's already doing. Personally, I think their footage would be way better edited, but that's just me.

Hey folks.

Lots of things to respond to, but Scibbler always manages to snag my attention.

I agree with Scribbler about the power of editing....

I agree with Per more, though...

It seems to me that there are two underlying philosophies about b/d production on this board. Those who want things to be as "real" as possible and those who want a fantasy that is as seemless as possible.

I think very, very few people on this board are firmly in one camp or another. Scribbler's view is probably most aligned with the fantasy perspective. His view of the pacing of the insex material is absolutely correct. The pacing is slow, almost plodding. Even the edited clips are hardly "brisk".

If you want fantasy over reality, then this pacing is horrific.

But some of us like things to be more "real". And we look at things differently.

I admit to zipping through many insex clips with fast forwarding. I also fast forward through most videos I look at. But when I see something real, something that resonates with me, I want to study it. I want to make sure that I am not seeing a trick created out of smoke and mirrors.

I may fast forward through a lot of the bondage setup on tapes, but I always fast forward through the plot. The only thing that interests me is the woman either being erotically used in bondage or else suffering in bondage. Not some hackneyed plot with bad actors...

I have a fantasy bondage video I would like to see. I would like to see a three or four hour video of a woman mounted on a two by four beam, arms pulled up behind, legs spread wide, all her weight resting on the point where her crotch meets the beam. Would I fast forward through some of this production. You bet... But I would still find it hot. I would come to know those "time" markers where she breaks down in tears, or where the sweat begins to drip from her straining body. I would never watch the full length at once. But I know this is a tape I would return to over and over and over again. A tape always alive with new discoveries.

And the lack of clever editing would let me know that it is all real. And the reality is what really excites me.

Now I could stage such a thing. I could use tricks of lighting, editing, make up (baby oil, water etc.) and feature a clock in the background to show the passage of time, even though I would jog the clock hands forward myself.

This scene would be more dynamic. It would be more brisk. It would be better paced. It would be (to one degree or another, depending on my competencies filming it) almost entirely fake.

To me, this would not have the power of the 3/4 hour scene. It never could. For all it's technical creativity, I wouldn't be able to tell if the model was truly suffering or not.

Everyone knows how much I love the old Cole/Blakemoore loops. However I always fast forward through the floggings. Who wants to see a whip which seems to have all of the weight and edge of ribbon slapped against a model's body. I would rather not even see a whipping scene where it is acheived with thin, weightless material, possibly treated with powdered rouge to fake a "strike". It is so obviously fake that I can't possibly care.

Cole's first VHS tape was "Bittersweet Revenge". In this video he went after Georgia Van Helsing with the belt from his slacks. I could see the weight of it, hear the thud of it, and the marks it raised weren't rouge! This is, to my knowledge, the only non-fake whipping/flogging scene in any of his material. And the only one I have ever watched through. When I think of my all time favorite video scenes, this one is always on the list.

Considering the subtitle of the GIMP board -- "emphasizing the fantasy aspects of extreme bondage" -- I shouldn't be surprised at criticism of insex pacing, nor criticism of my videos either.

What is surprising is that for all of this emphasis on plot and setting that some constantly post about on this board, it seems very common for the posters to cull out their favorite clips from videos. I would be very surprised to find these compilations filled with bad acting. I suspect they consist of these "real" moments.

I offer a small sop to the fantasy element in my own products. I use a "straw" plot that implies non-consensuality. I admit that I appreciate this much of a fantasy. But I concentrate on proving, as far as the material allows, that what you are seeing the models go through in my videos is what they are really going through. If they cry, it is real, if they sweat, it is real. If they gasp in pain, it is real.

insex is the only site I have joined in the past five years. I don't care that the women are in the studio willingly. I know that is the case with every single image or video I have ever seen.

These are dark fantasies. We all agree they shouldn't be acted out. But I embrace my enjoyment of them. For me, make it as real as possible.

pd is pushing boundaries constantly. Not every scene he shoots is my tastes. He is trying to meet a lot of different demands and fantasies for his audience. But when the stuff he shoots is aligned with my taste (more often than not) the reality of what he is capturing on film takes my breath away.

In my own small way, I am trying to have as much reality in my own work as I can get. I just offer a little bit of a fantasy "stepping stool" to help get you into the scene.

For myself I don't really care how/why the model is existing in that intense moment for me. I just want to appreciate it.

From my perspective, the rest is pretty much all bullshit.

I'll try and post some info about what working with Tyler Scot and Liz Tyler was like in future posts. I will say that of all the models who have been "lost" to the biz, I probably miss Liz most of all. ;)

Dan

Dormouse: Thanks a bunch, definitely a problem there and it ties into another problem site that was pointed out to me by yet another well traveled Gimper. Shoot me an E-mail, I would like to ask you a question if possible.

Speaking of shooting, did some stuff with Lisa Kinkaid Saturday night, turned out to be the coldest night of the year here in Florida, so there was no lack of hard nips=) Anyway, I'm sending a couple goodies from the shoot over to Ralphus, mebbe he can post em for ya.

Happy Holidays to One and All, hopefully Santa will treat you right with a bag fulla naked chicks...)

Rick

I don't want to see a hackneyed plot with bad actors either. I want the plot to be minimal but interesting to me, and the acting to be stellar or at least good. (OK, I'll settle for above average.) And I concur with the 1st part of the above as well, plus I'd add erotically used and suffering OUT of bondage as well, but I guess that's not appropo to this board.

It seems to me that there are two underlying philosophies about b/d production on this board.

You're right, there does seem to be two camps. I prefer fantasy over real, but that doesn't mean I want it to look fake. I want it to seem as real as possible: real or faked. And either way, I still think footage should be edited to be watchable without wanting to fast forward through so much of it. I'd rather not have to self edit while watching via fast forward (as I often need to). Editing would not make real stuff less real to me, it would make it less cumbersome to watch. Also it would leave more room on the rest of the videotape or DVD for more really good stuff, instead of the boring "fast forward over this" footage. A 60 minute video is not a 60 minute video to me, when 30 minutes of it is fast forwarding material. (This is a general statement, I'm not specifically targeting any one producer's product). Yep, clearly I'm in the other camp.

I don't think there is an emphasis here on plot and setting, that's just background enhancement stuff (I'm getting a real sense of deja vu right now, writing this!) The emphasis is on the capture, bondage, punishment, and ravaging of the girl in merciless peril. All I need to know is the theme is non-consensual for the characters and story, while the actors and production crew are consenting.

I would like to see a three or four hour video of a woman mounted on a two by four...

I would not want to see 3 or 4 hours of that. But I would watch an edited version of the moments that matter.

If they cry, it is real, if they sweat, it is real. If they gasp in pain, it is real.

I've seen gasps of pain in your vids that look like acting, a lot. If it's real, hard to tell much of the time. I do remember one real moment, and you walking in to stop the model's pain, cutting scene short. See, you are a nice guy! Sweat, well that's usually real in any BD video. Lot of times, it's the lights! I think Rene Baker made the best crying faces, but I don't think I've seen any actual crying in any BD vid. I did see some crying in a british spanking vid once, or twice.

Again, I'm not concerned if it's real or fake, as long as it looks convincing. (And if it's real, I want to know that the actress is OK with it, has agreed beforehand to the goings on.)

"Bittersweet Revenge" was an alright movie, it had it's moments (including Georgia's whipping), but it also dragged in places. The best 8mm loops hardly ever dragged, but a lot of the reason for that was because only so much footage could fit on a reel, so they were forced to edit fairly tight. (deja vu again!)

Darn it! Your post is still longer. You win!

Dan wrote:

What is surprising is that for all of this emphasis on plot and setting that some constantly post about on this board, it seems very common for the posters to cull out their favorite clips from videos. I would be very surprised to find these compilations filled with bad acting. I suspect they consist of these "real" moments.

I can't speak of the others, but when I edit scenes onto compilation tapes for myself, I do include parts of the plot that have nothing to do with bondage...yet. For instance, I'll maybe include a short scene of the girl going through her normal day, watching her almost like a stalker would. In fact, if they have actual footage of the villain stalking his prey, that's even better. The setup scenes, where you can build up your fantasy that this innocent girl is soon going to be mine, are important to the mood of the scene that I am trying to edit.

On the other hand, if the acting is bad, I won't include it, or else I'll trim it down to almost nothing. If it rings false in my mind, it doesn't enhance the scene, and I'll only include the bondage parts. But then it's already lost points in my book. The bondage scenes will have to be damned good to make up for it.

Regarding Dan's fantasy video of a woman tied and suffering in bondage for 3 or 4 hours, I would probably start to watch it, then probably get bored and start hitting the fast-forward button after about 10 minutes or so. And I concur with Scribbler that I would attempt to edit the video and just show the most important parts that show her as she slowly succumbs to the strain of her torment.

As I'm writing this, I recall one of my all-time favorite bondage scenes, from the tape Street Thieves by a company named Close-Up Concepts (URL above). In it, a girl gets tied up and gagged inside a sauna and the villain closes the door and turns on the heat inside. In the movie, she's supposedly in there for an hour and half, but of course, we never saw that much footage. It was cut like a regular movie, with footage of the villains doing such and so...I don't remember, because I cut it out...intercut with footage of the girl in the sauna. Instead, the scene that I edited was about 6 or 7 minutes long, but it was a very hot segment. It showed our victim at first struggling mightily in her bonds, then the heat started to get to her and she became resigned to her situation, and as the sweat pours from her body (several nice close ups) you can see she's starting to get weaker and weaker. If this were an actual hour and a half long video, I would probably have cut it down the exact same way. Anything much longer and it might have seemed padded, and I probably would have hit the fast forward button.

When I make my compilation tapes, I edit them so that there is no need to fast forward through any of the material. My tapes are two solid hours of hot material, or at least footage that gets me hot for 2 hours. If I would have to hit fast-forward while I'm watching the finished product, it means I didn't do a good job of putting the tape together. If it's stuff I'm fast-forwarding though, it shouldn't be on my tape in the first place.

I hope everyone had a safe holiday season. To get people back in the mood (and hopefully posting again), here's something that should get people excited. Rick has supplied me with nine new photos from his still-untitled new production with the lovely Lisa Kinkaid, who will be celebrating an incredible 10 years with ZFX come 2004, which is only a few days away. And as you'll see from the pics, she is still one hot lady, and Rick is still doing some unimaginably nasty things to her on video, and that's good news to all of us. Be sure and check out the site for the next nine days so you can grab them all.

And let's hear from some of you. I know everyone will have an opinion or two.

I have a question, why the blur over her pussy? Is that going to be like that in the movie? I hope not!

zee-ef-ex

Photo stories vs Video? What's your preference and why?

Answering this question myself, as a format, I think I like both similarly, with an edge to video when it's done right. But that's if the content is similarly good between a video and photo story. Overall, I've seen more photo story's content done to my liking than video, so in that sense, in the content sense, I like photo stories better.

Photo stories are easier to do well, cause producers don't have to deal with sound, or editing/pacing. Ergo, video, done right, takes more work, more time to shoot, more technical issues, more time to edit.

Interesting topic. At first, I thought, it's a slam dunk for video. An example would be these current stills from the future ZFX video with Lisa Kinkaid. As much as I like the pictures, to me, they are just a teaser, something to whet my mouth for the real thing. Seeing her actually tied there, whimpering and squirming, as the man approaches with the whip, well, there's no way that a still picture can replace the moving image. Therefore, it has to be video.

But then I thought, yes, there actually is a way to improve upon video, with something I sometimes like even better. Photos by themselves don't do it, but emphasize the word "story" in photo story and you may have something. To me, few things get me hotter than a well-written story, and punctuate it with some corresponding images to enhance it, and it can often have a stronger impact on me than just watching a video.

Before I saw the HOM loop Rope Burn, I read a photo story/review in an HOM mag that used to turn me on every time I read it. Then when I finally saw the actual movie, it wasn't as powerful to me, even though it's still one of my favorite HOM loops. I guess it was the words they used to describe the images in the magazine that fueled my imagination more than the actual video. Probably didn't help that there was no sound, either, just cheesy music.

Overall, if both are done well, I would take video on some days and a story (with photos) on others. Depends on how hard I want to work. Watching a video is easier than reading :)

(*) Cat-and-Mouse: Most bondage flicks don't spend much time on "chasing" down the victim (prior to her "capture"), and rightfully so, since it's less erotic than actually seeing her stripped nude, tied up and tortured.

Yet there are ways to make "chase" scenes much more erotic. The case in point is that to really *restrain* a woman, all you need to do is tape up her hands (have her make a fist w/ her hand, and the tape it up w/ duct tape). Her hands don't even have to be tied *together* per se.. once her hands have been *taped* in this way (and once she's been securely gagged), the fact is that she's completely helpless.

What's she going to do? Run outside the house and get help? She can't even open the door w/ her hands taped up like that.. She might be able to get a phone off the hook, but there's no way she can dial and even if she could, nobody could understand her through the gag (and she can't even take her gag off w/ her hands taped up..)

She knows its only a matter of time until she's captured and raped, but that doesn't stop her from *trying* to get away..

There are a lot of variations on this theme to explore, but the basic idea is that seeing a nude woman, tightly gagged and w/ her hands all taped up, running around a house *trying* (hopelessly, mind you) to escape her captor is I think quite a turnon.. (esp seeing her tits bounce up and down and jostle all around as she's running around).

(*) Nosehooks: Japanese-style nosehooks should be used much more liberally in *Western* style bondage productions. They're extremely humiliating to the victim, and it's really erotic to see a woman suffering w/ one on her face.

Specifically, I'd like to see nosehooks combined w/ cock-sucking a lot more. The victim doesn't even have to be *bound* for scenes like this. The attacker just strips her nude, slips a nose-hook on her face, and watches her wince in pain as he pulls on it.. If he likes what he sees, he forces her mouth open and slips his cock inside. He forces her to keep her eyes open as she's sucking, so he can watch the pain and torment in her eyes that the nosebook is causing her.

Once he shoots his wad, he hand-gags his victim until he's certain she's swallowed the entire load (i.e., by poking and prodding at her throat w/ his finger). Then he ball-gags her, ties her up and continues manhandling/torturing/raping her as he sees fit (preferably using a nosehook!)

Just some ideas!

HELP STOP BOOTLEGGERS

Ok GIMPers, I need a bit of help

I bought some Paragon video DVDs on Ebay. The description assured that they were NOT copies. But what arrived were amaturish looking CDroms with handwritten lables. When I pop them in I see that blue screen with the dropdown title menu that I recognize from standard transfer software. The seller insists that this is the way Paragon video ships their DVDs. Anyone had any experience with Paragon Video? Ever bought a DVD? How did they look?

I appreciate any help

Ralphus - I don't get to come to the board everyday unfortunately so I seem to get unlucky and miss out on quite a bit of the good ZFX preview caps. I don't suppose you could do me (and I'm sure a few others here) a favor and post a link to all the photo's after you've finished doing the one a day thing? That would be really awesome. :) If you hadn't done that with the Bittersweet Revenge ZFX caps I never would have gotten to see them.

Plot driven story boarded pictures VS a good old video. In general the video will win hands down. Especially if the focus on things that I find particularly interesting or arousing (usually one and the same). However there are times when a good photo-story comes in handy. Like when I want to have a good still shot to just focus on and savor. For example with superheroines.com, I love their photography, but the story is sometimes hit and miss. Sometimes I just love to see them sometimes there's only a few pictures in the story that really get me interested. That last series left me a bit wanting. However, I always find myself wishing he had video of that stuff. There is just something about watching a woman struggling while the clothes are being ripped. And even more so, HEARING the suffering (not too fake, and not TOO real) that they are going through. The sound more than anything else is just not there with photostories. However, sometimes a single picture can say more than a whole movie.

Somehow I don't think I'd get off on ZFX nearly as much if it was an only photostory. Although sometimes I want a REALLY clear picture of one of the scenes that you can't even get with a DVD.

SB

Glad to see the board jumping.

Damien, I was just thinking about the teaser still you had Ralphus put up from your custom. Have you gotten it yet? If so, how'd it turn out?

Keep us posted.

Later

You rang, Ma'am??

Expect to receive the vid within the next few weeks. Of course I'll keep y'all posted on the subject!

BTW: That Lisa pic reminds me of a certain song from the Who......Anyone????

All the best to my felow gimpers for 2004. Let's see if Rick can produce even less new stuff out than the past year or two....I'll take any bet on that!

Damien

Wanted to respond to your note regarding scenes you would like to see in videos. As a relatively new producer, I am constantly on the lookout for newer ideas and concepts, especially those with broad fan appeal.

1. Cat-and-Mouse. I think this idea is basically good but certainly not foolproof. If the victim could manage to dial 911 with her taped hands she stands a good chance of rescue since these calls are often traced. Taped hands would also enable her to break a window and draw some attention. But don't get me wrong, I don't know many people who would mind watching a nude woman with taped hands running through a house while trying to escape.

2. Japanese nose hooks. I agree, these are definitely a turn-on. A great way to immobilize the head and a great source of humiliation. Rest assured they will be appearing in some of my videos.

I hope you and others will continue to post suggestions and ideas for scenes they would like to see. All concepts are seriously considered.

Dave Darke

Okay, Damien, we give up. What's the Who song? For that matter, who's the What song?

Silent Buddha: Yeah, I might eventually link all the ZFX pics in a future post. Since it's a special series directly from Rick, I think it's worthwhile.

Mongoose: regarding your ideas, I'm not sure I like the idea of a woman running around free, regardless of whether her hands are taped. I had never thought of the implications of having the hands taped up like that, but she still has them in a fist, which theoretically means she could take a swing at her captor. And as for the feet being loose for her to run around, well, who wants to chase her? I don't want to get all tired out. I'd rather have her tied down securely to a bed, with both her arms and legs spread wide, her pussy open and available to me. What can I say, I'm a traditionalist :)

Regarding nose hooks, other than the Japanese, who use them a LOT, the only other company I've ever seen use them is Insex. I'm not a big fan of nosehooks, because they make the girl's appearance distorted, but I will agree that it's humiliating for the victim, and that's always a positive thing in my book.

To my fellow GIMPers: Sorry I missed updating the picture last night (for the first time in over a year) but my PC was in the shop being worked on. A new pic of the luscious Lisa K. will be posted tonight before bedtime.

Janice: Even though I've seen countless rape scenes in movies, I don't recall seeing that many gang rape scenes (shocking, huh?). The best one that comes to my mind is Amy Van Allen's gang rape scene in the ZFX cult classic, Liza Cord. Both that movie and Ms. Allen are favorites to a lot of people.

Our friend Hail seems to be an expert on rape, or at least a big-time aficionado, if you check out his new Yahoo group. Maybe he could post here and add a suggestion or two.

Damien: Your on! Name a number between 1 and infinity I can produce less! Hows a friendly wager of a million US dollars sound? Ok, I'm just jokin...Just dont throw one of them wooden shoes at me, ok Don Quixote? Well, you cant be all bad, you like the Who=)

Dan:I'm waiting for the movie where your tied straddling a 2x4(make it a 4x4)for 3 to 4 hours until YOU cry=)But then, thats just me...Of course I jest=).

Ralphus: Thats IT man! You missed the picture change out! 40 lashes for you, then off with your head, then no more screeners. You wont be able to watch them with no head, right?...Again, I merely jest..=)

Paulus: The blur is only on these stills, not in the movie.

Happy New Year to all!

Rick the comic insult dog

I have also seen mpeg clips of a French movie called Forcees 3 which has a very realistic hardcore gangrape scene, but I have never been able to find it for sale in NTSC format. Forcees 1 and 2 are available in NTSC from the Amsterdam Adult Happy Shopper, but they are not as good as Forcees 3.

Ralphus, Thanks for the vid caps from Liza Cord. I have heard a lot of good things about that movie over the years, but I have never seen it. The vid caps make the gang rape scene look pretty good, but I have also heard people criticize the scene saying that she doesn't struggle or scream much during the scene and that she almost smiles during the gangrape. It is kind of hard to tell from vid caps just how much she struggles and of course impossible to know whether she screams. Can you weigh in on these issues for the benefit of those of us who haven't seen it???

Hail

http://www.lyricsdepot.com/the-who/fiddle-about.html

And Rick??? Sorry....US$ are no good in Europe these days. All bets have to be in Euro's......

A few more highlights of the movie: Brian Dunhill and Chandra Sweet tie Amy up in the kitchen, bending her over and inserting a hose up her ass, which is taped into place. Then they run the other end to the faucet and give her a unique enema torture. Nice.

And my favorite scene has Chandra forcing a bound Amy into a bathtub, where she gags her with an electric hot comb, plugs it in and turns on the water. When the water inside reaches a certain level, Amy gets shocked and writhes spasmodically.

I don't recall much more about the movie, but those scenes were good enough for me to include in my private collection. And for anyone who likes Amy Van Allen, she's the main reason to check this one out.

At the risk of boring the under-40 crowd, two songs sharing the same title reminded me of a trivia question. Name an instance when two separate songs with the same title both reached number one on the American pop charts in the 60's and 70's. Hint: one is by an ex-Beatle.

The current picture brings a certain Iggy (Pop) & the Stooges song to mind.

Anyone care to guess? I will say that anyone getting this one is seriously hardcore.

Later.

I know, I'm no fun :)

Liza cord, excellent flik.

zee-ef-ex