To: Rick

Re: Unclean hands

Here is the case information. Now that I have delivered, can I please borrow Lisa for a night? (smile)

2000 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 12116, *

DEVILS FILMS, INC., Plaintiff, -v.- NECTAR VIDEO a/k/a KISMA VIDEO, NILUPUL VIDEO, INC., and JOHN DOES

1-20, Defendants.

98 Civ. 8016 (JSM)

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK

2000 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 12116

August 17, 2000, Decided

COUNSEL: [*1] For DOE, DEVIL FILMS, INC., plaintiffs: Jules D. Zalon, Maplewood, NJ.

JUDGES: JOHN S. MARTIN, JR., U.S.D.J.

OPINION BY: JOHN S. MARTIN, JR.

OPINION: MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER

JOHN S. MARTIN, Jr., District Judge:

In a Memorandum Opinion and Order filed on November 13, 1998, the Court denied the plaintiff's application for an order of seizure and preliminary injunction on the grounds that it appeared from a review of a sample of the videotapes at issue that they were obscene. Presently before the Court is an application that the Court sign a consent final judgment and permanent injunction.

For the reasons stated in the November 13th order, the Court will not sign the proposed order. While the parties are free to settle their dispute and the defendant has apparently agreed to pay monetary damages, the Court will not aid and abet the plaintiff's pornography business by implicitly agreeing to use its contempt powers to punish the defendant from copying the plaintiff's pornography. The "unclean hands" doctrine "closes the door of a court of equity to one tainted with inequitableness or bad faith relative to the matter in which he seeks relief, however improper may have been the behavior of the defendant." Precision Instrument Mfg. Co. v. Automotive Maintenance Mach. Co., 324 U.S. 806, 814, 65 S. Ct. 993, 997, 89 L. Ed. 1381 (1945); [*2] see Henry L. McClintock, Handbook of the Principles of Equity § 26, at 63 & n. 75 (2d ed. 1948).

This ruling is without prejudice to the right of the plaintiff to submit for review by the Court any videotapes which it believes are not obscene. In making such a submission counsel should bear in mind the requirements of Rule 11 and 28 U.S.C. § 1927.

SO ORDERED.

Dated: New York, New York

August 17, 2000

JOHN S. MARTIN, JR., U.S.D.J.

I've just been catching up on a lot of readings I've been missing oyut on the past period. Shortly after my last posting I went to the hosplital for what was supposed to be a routine check, but I ended up staying there for some serious surgery. I'll leave out the details, but I can say it was a close call.

Things have taken a turn for the better, and I was released a few days ago. Still have to take it easy, spend a lot of time resting, and unable to go to work.

But since only the GOOD die young, I expect a full recovery...:-)

'nuff 'bout this: I feel the need to share some thoughts about some off the past discussions.

First this reporter guy (forgot his name....sorry): I'm sure he means well, but I can't see any good reason to cooperate. Let's face it: all his chief wants is to sell newspapers. Nothin' wrong with that, but what's in it for us??? Even if we're not presented like this, the readers will be just as interested in us as they are in whatever else they find disgusting or repulsing. And even if wecould get some more understanding or acceptance (which I think we'll never get): Who needs that??? I for one don't. All I need (and have here in Holland) is tolerance and the liberty to do and view in the privacy if my own home whatever I want, regardless anyone's opinion.

Is Ms. Kinkaid into BD or isn't she??? Her statement was very clear. And furthermore: I don't care. Not about her or any actress. "Acting" is the keyword here. Even if an actress loves to be bound and whipped, it's fine by me, as long as it does not show on the tape!!! I really hate the "please whip me"-stuff. In the fantasy Rick is stageing for me (and all of us) girls DON'T like to be tied and tortured. That's the only reason to tie and torture 'em anyway.

Since I'm gonna have a lot of time on my hands in the near future, one of the first things I did as soon as I had the chance was to order a major stock of videotapes. Just as the dokter ordered!:-) 1/3 of theme are ZFX-titles. Here's the list. Mainly older titles, pre-slowmotion and pre-blood period.

- Reporter 2: Gangstarr - Disciple of pain - Liza Cord - Misadventures of Lois Pain - Tiffany Twisted 2 - Gangland 4 - Gangland 5 - Guinee Pigs 4 - Binding Contract - Hell Bound Any opinions??? Any "Hits", any "Misses"??? (yeah, I know...The misses get hit plenty!)

And just to satisfy your curiosity, since I know you all desperately wanna know: The rest of the titles are 10 BD- Classics from HOM, 5 older CallStarr titles, 1 London tape I once saw years ago, and still have some good memories about "The Captives", and 3 other HOM titles.

Wow...It's good to be back!

Greetings from Holland,

Damien

Glad your back and doing well. With all the vids you picked up to watch while you're recovering be careful you don't pop a stitch or two ;)

Later.

Now that you have so much time on your hands, when can we expect some more reviews on those older titles? BTW, save "Lois Payne" and "Gangstarr" for last, because they are the best of the ZFX titles you ordered. And see how long it takes to get that generic HOM music out of your head after watching those Bondage Classics. Great material, but they are BEGGING for some dubbed-in screams!

Ralphus: "I hereby promis to give reviews of each and every tape that arrives here that I think is worth reviewing".

Dubbed in screams in HOM's BD-classics??? Hmmm...I remember a TAO tape (I think it was Collectors series 1) where they did that...Not a great succes.

BTW; That music in the BD-Classics...anybody has any details on that??? What IS it?? Was it especially made for those tapes, or is it availabe on records??? Not that it's THAT goog, but I sort'a get a "Pavlov" respons whenever I hear it.

All: Thanks for the kind words

Damien

A while ago, whhen my computer crashed, I lost all my bookmarks. I got back most of them, but there's one I'm still missing, and desperately would like to get back.

It's a link to a page with lots of pics from Sharon Montgomery, Georgia van Helsing, Renee Baker etc.

Many of these pics come rom tapes I'm priveliged enough to own, but some I don't have.

The setup of the page is as follows: We see the name of the actress, followed by a series of numbers. All you need to do is click on a number to see the pic.

I'm sure at least one of you fellow Bondage-fans has this page somewhere in his or her bookmarks. Please share it with the rest of us.

Damien

Actually, back in my old creative days, before I got a computer, I actually did attempt to add sound to some of my favorite HOM bondage loops. By using the audio dub feature on my editing decks, I used sound from other bondage tapes, including some of the audio from ZFX vids, to "re-create" the sound that was never there in those old 8MM loops. It is a slow, tedious process, trying to match action with just the right effect, but I was quite happy with the results, once I was finished. I sent a copy of them to a friend and he said he couldn't believe how different it was watching the same clips he already owned, but this time with matching sound. Some of those old HOM loops were really excellent, but I guess no one with the company wants to attempt to really expand on that material and try to better it. In fact, at least one of my favorite Bondage Classics was released on tape with certain scenes REMOVED from the original film! Apparently, even today they are watching their own ass, and certain things, even in a bondage film, are no longer PC enough to show in this day and age.

But that music, oh that music! As a joke, I once recorded some of the HOM music onto a cassette, and wrote on the outside, "Music To Tie Women Up By". Then I turned it on when me and my girlfriend were making out. We both burst out laughing! One of my favorite pleasant memories... :o)

Damien

Damien

I can't recall any Bondage Classics having scenes removed. There was one where it was split between two tapes. That was the one where a ball-gagged dark-haired gal was sold to a guy that immediately started fondling her and trying to rip off her bra. He eventually threw her on a sofa, put her in a hogtie and fondled her some more. The scene stops at this point shortly after he starts to tie her to a bed with her legs pulled apart. The action on the bed continues on another tape.

Interestingly, the first couple TAO collections of silent films dubbed the reels with dialog and the mumphing of the bound women. It was a little more enjoyable than the elevator music of the HOM collections. I believe that those were music loops used by other porn films of that vintage.

The scene described by our friend RR is in one of the first (have to check witch one exactly) BC-tapes. It is meant as a preview. The comlete loop is found on BD Classics 16, "Bound and Delivered". It's one of my (Many, many....) HOM- Favorites, and not just because the girl's so cute, but especially because of the ending.......

Damien

Here's one example of HOM butchering their own work. I have an old HOM magazine with this description of one of the films they were selling:

"RED HOT B&D: Carole's mini-skirted teasing brings outdoor bondage torment! Her cruel captor starts a fire between her legs!"

Now I know that may sound like just a sexual metaphor, except the picture used to describe that film actually does show the girl spread-eagled on the ground, with a large amount of wood piled up between her legs, and a real fire blazing away! I put the URL to the picture on my Homepage URL above. Just click on it to see what I'm talking about. I also added a color pic from the same film; go to http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/pyromania44/redhot004.jpg

Anyway, that scene in the film may have sounded a bit dangerous, but it also sounded damned exciting, too! So when HOM released "Red Hot B&D" on tape as one of the Bondage Classics, I got it the first day it came out. Here I am watching, hoping to see something I've never seen before, when toward the end of the film, there was an awkward jump cut, then the film abruptly ended! No fire, just a quick little tease where you saw the wood between her legs, then The End. I was so pissed! I even wrote to HOM about it. Surprise! Never heard a thing back from them.

For 10 years, that was my Holy Grail, the one bondage scene I was dying to see. And this year, a friend of mine knew a friend who lived overseas, who actually had the original 8MM film of "Red Hot B&D". Suffice it to say, they managed to convert the film to tape, then converted the tape from PAL to NTSC, then sent it to me. Missing was approximately 3 minutes of footage, including the entire fire scene where the girl gets threatened with a burning stick, and another scene where the girl gets her pussy filled with a wooden dildo while tied to a tree. Both scenes were simulated, and I have no idea why HOM decided to remove either scene, other than they are cowardly and afraid of what today's generation would think of the work they used to put out. I'll tell you one thing, though. That particular loop was MUCH better than the truncated version they released on tape, and very few people will ever have the opportunity to see the film uncut, the way I saw it. That's a real shame.

Unfortunately, my understanding is that HOM as an independent company no longer exists, and the rights belong to LDL, and we all know how cautious they are, so I don't hold out any hope that any of that classic stuff will be re-released. Too bad, since I think that kind of stuff would sell really well.

Well, Rick, if you're still open to ideas, maybe a vid devoted to classic HOM-style bondage would be something a lot of people would like to see.

OK: here it is: Thanks for all you gave us so far, Rick!!! Looking forward to the next releases.

Damien (Hell...it isn't writen in stone that I always have to be negative!)

You've got good taste, BBFan. "The Pickup" is a fave of mine, too. I've even got an old loop that was an outtake of the that flick where the model was tied up in a chair and tormented. I can't believe that BC17 is no longer being offered. I don't really know why. There was nothing in the loops on that tape that wasn't done in the others and done rougher (like the suspended banging in BC1--Yowie!). BC17 has a bunch of my favorites. It has "Abducted" and that's about my favorite HOM loop (pretty brunette in pink hot pants outfit tied to chain link fence and fondled like crazy). "Rope Burn" is another big favorite (BC1) and my copy has the upside down suspension near the end after the blonde's breasts are tied, but I've got an older copy in the small exterior box format without the plastic cassette insert. It's possible they've cut it in later versions, but I can't figure that one out.

Ralphus, I'd forgotten that they cut Red Hot B&D short. A later tape included the missing part and it wasn't announced on the box. It'll a while to look up the number if you really need it. I have no idea why they broke it up like that. That's another loop that I liked a lot. The same gal is in one of the shorts in the now infamously missing BC17.

HOM still has at least a dozen loops that have never been released, including a few great ones. Lorelei has mentioned that they also have a bunch of the John Blakemore photos that haven't seen print and others that weren't printed in color. Who knows if any of these things will ever get released?

I third or fourth doing an HOM inspired takeoff, especially if Rick tries to throw in four to six tales. Most of the ZFX videos tend to meander too much for my tastes. I'd rather see the tight kind of editing in the old HOM loops. Besides, I'd love to see a bunch of gals being captured and tied up instead of the usual one or two in the typical ZFX video.

Perhaps the poster's recalling the cartoony editor of the Daily Planet stuttering "we gotta sell a story!" But the comment is fantasy.

Actually, the "reporter guy" is a freelance writer and reviewer. While writing one article, he encountered the bondage modeling scene (via Stacy Burke), and he conceived of the topic for another article. He pitched the writeup to a newsstand magazine; they were too skittish and declined. The reporter went elsewhere and located an online ezine interested in publishing it when the article is completed.

No newspaper, no boss breathing down his neck...

Damien

If it's breast bondage suggestions you want, you came to the right place! The ZFX vid that has perhaps the tightest BB that Rick has done is Xtractor (it comes at the end), and other good ones are Binding Contract and Jennifer's Nightmares, and a very nice Tabitha Jordan pre- boob job scene is included in Sunterfuge. I haven't seen Maximum DeSade - would you recommend that? Also, I have seen that HOM loop you are talking about - it stars Anne Bruno and is part of CalStar's Punished 2 compilation. It is VERY nice. I don't know of a way to buy that tape legit - the only people I've seen offering that are bootleggers.

You don't happen to have "Violated" or "SM Sisters" do you? I have not seen those in the compilation tapes.

Suggestions??Hmmm...let's see....

I might not be the best person to give you any suggestion, since I'm not really focused on breast bondage (not that I mind....:-]), and I rather enjoyed Sweet Christine. But I think it's safe to recommend at least one tape: The Cheerleaders of Perilous U.

Based on a lot of prior postings on this board, I think I can say this is a tape that is considered by most of us as THE classic ZFX tape, and considered by many to be the best.

I also suggest you pick at least ONE tape with fan- favorite ms. Lisa Kinkaid. Maybe "The suffering of Stephanie Renford" would be a good place to start.

If you would like any specific info on any tape you might consider to buy, of course you can always put this on the board. I guarrantee you that there's plenty of advise to be gotten here, by several helpfull conaisseurs like BBFan,Ralphus and many others.

Damien

I was watching the Today show the other morning and there was an interview w/a pretty female newscaster (nice lips!...real pretty mouth!) who was taken hostage for 4 hours during an interview w/a convicted killer. It seems that the convict asked the newscaster if she could go and get some candy bars and some water and when she returned he brandished a pen and held it to her throat as she was in the process of handing him the bars and water.

Although nothing happened, does this sound like anything we've watched ("Guilty" for all you newbees)?

Later.

Are you trying to articulate that you don't know what online ezines are? Or are you not just confused by what ezines are, but are also trying to say that you believe that all text is created expressly for money and then published expressly for money. In that scenario, many pages of the internet would not exist, so the belief is unsupported.

Still: The point I was trying to make was a simple one: "What's in contibuting to this article for us"??? But maybe you have an answer to that too. Since this is a "discussion board", and discussion is pointless if one is not willing to be convined: Please convince me. I'm listening.

Damien

Larry: If you're looking for some good ZFX vids, Damien is right. Check out "The Cheerleaders of Perilous U." It's my personal favorite of all of the ZFX titles, and I have seen every one. A couple of excellent brand new titles, just released this year, are "Ballista 2" and "South of the Border 4". If you can search back into the Guestbook Archives at the top of the page, you can read the older posts, where several of us listed our Top 10 ZFX faves, including ZFX creator Rick Masters himself.

If you're into breast bondage, you may want to order some of the older tapes that featured Victoria Vixxen. She was a very busty Mexican actress who had natural boobs and frequently got them tied up on screen. In fact, I can't really recall any tapes where she DIDN'T have to endure some sort of breast torture. Good old Rick always knew how to use his performer's best assets. :o)

The topic of mainstream exploitation of fetish types (I hate that word, "fetish," by the way. I always think of that nasty little doll in "Trilogy of Terror" or some guy kissing shoes when I hear it)has come up here before. TV shows will run teasers all week long for 2-second bondage clips in their shows as the main event. Papers and magazines love to run the odd "freak" piece to boost readership from time to time, and can get away with it because they are mainstream.

Universally, we lose.

We are not every person out there. In what we like, we are not mainstream. And mainstream does not like things that are different. I really have seen no evidence that education helps them understand us, and rarely helps steer them to our way of thinking. Fred may mean well, but show me one thing ever written that has really ever made things better for our club.

I'm a productive and helpful member of society. I have friends and relationships. I have no desire to hurt or abuse anyone. I like all the usual things that everyone else does, and I'm a good neighbor. But it's a fact of life that I can't tell anyone I know that I like this stuff, or they'll think I'm a freak. It seems to me that drawing attention to us would just cause us trouble. Like it always has before.

Folks, sorry if I misinterpreted what you were saying.

Peace,

Iago

Now, do we really need more evidence that all the violence is caused by people just acting out what they saw on TV??? LOL

Damien

In the last part of Lois Payne, VV is tied to a workbench with many rubber bands around her tits, and Rick spanks them like that. Then, even more rubber bands are added, and Rick electrcutes them. Her tits look like fat sausages. VERY NICE!!!

What I have in my hands is a box of a visoetape. The box says "The pleasure of Bondage volume 7" and "Z F/X tape nr.4". The credits at the beginning of the tape say " Produced for home made video by Z F/X productions". Copyright 1991

No more credits, no names of actors/actresses.

It has a guy wearing a black mask and a white helmet binding and whipping a girl that, whitout a doubt, is Sierra Stuart. The name of her character is also Sierra.

It's all done in a "weak" ZFX style.....Not very severe, not very strict.

No background music (apart for a brief moment when some text appears.

Could Z F/X be the pre-ZFX??? Are there any more tapes like that around??? Anybody any info??? Rick???

Damien

Well, I suppose you could do that. Once. As long as you don't mind never working again. Or worse, getting arrested and/or serving time in jail. If you're someone like Rick Masters and want to do this as a career, I'm sure you have to build up some sort of reputation in order to get repeat performances from your female talent. I know ZFX's tapes look very harsh, but I doubt he would get so many girls willing to work with him again and again if he wasn't up front and honest with them from the very beginning. And I doubt that the girls actually feel much pain from the rigors he puts them through. Oh sure, the ropes have got to be uncomfortable, and clothespins on the nipples have got to hurt, but nothing that can't be shaken in a short time, I'm guessing. We know the electric shock is simulated, and the whips are made of felt, so what else is there that could cause real pain? I'm fairly certain Rick never built a fire between his actresses' legs. Darn it.

Well, there's always the next batch of vids...

You learn something new every day .

Peace,

Iago

HELLBOUND: This one can be divided in 3 parts, each starring oneof the 3 victims. The first 2 parts were a little disappointing, yet funny. Both parts start with guy a guy dying and going to hell.....The first has my 3rd favorite ZFX-quote, by Rick himself: "Is this hell??? Doesn't look to bad to me..". Not bad??? Howcome??? Well....hell is a place were guys like Rick and the rest of us are provided with a pretty girl, willing to be bound, whipped and whatever you want.

This was also my problem: The fun part is that the girls should NOT be willing to be tied, whipped etc....Girls who like this...well...that would be hell for me!

The 3rd part is better: Julia Kara as a cuty diyng and go to hell...only to be trained as a slave for futer male hell- citizens. Not bad, Julia has her moments, but they're only BRIEF moments. My overall grade on a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being the best): 6 for the effort.

TIFFANY TWISTED 2:

MUCH better than I expected. I must say the picks on the web and box don't do this girl justice. She's WAY cuter. On the bad side, there's the beginning (some short scenes of TT1) where we see the girl getting KO by bumping her head to a desk. THAT's not how it's supposed to go! Where's the joy of overpowering a victim??? Another bad point Was the "vacum" (grin) scene, that could have been shorter. But then a turn for the better is taken with a nice scene where the girl is being"taped" while protesting rather convincing.AND there's a nice electrotorture in it...you all know I like those...:-]Grade: 7

GANGLAND 4 & 5: Both have their merrits. In GL 4 I liked the (view) scenes with Mrs. Masters (BTW: Mrs. Masters, if you could spare he time, I'm sure most of us would like you to contribute to this forum from time to time). Boy, does she knows how to suffer!!! Even when hardly bound or tortured, she's all fear and terrorized! Excellent! Another scene I really liked is in GL5, where Kerri Downs gets....electrotortured. I liked it even better since the goal of the torture was substracting informatiom. Also something I aways enjoy. Grades: GL4 6.5 and GL5 7

BINDING CONTRACT: Straight from the good old days. this one has it all: Excellent story, great bondage, very good acting. This one really shows Rick must have been enjoying himself doing this one. The story??? The actresses?? Nahhhh to easy. Go watch this one!!! Grade: 8

GUINEE PIGS 4: When I ordered this one, I did so because of the always adorable Holly Weston. I have GP5, and just wanted to see what happened before.And Holly was very good, of course. BUT: Another lady stole my hart on this one: Kimber Allen is SUPERB in this tape. Struggling to get free, screaming, squeeling like a real Guinee Pig..Oh man....even yet another electrotorture....And when I was all warmed up, Holly Weston for desert. Even though the tape had a slow start (Julia Kara, again not very convincing), stil I have to grade it with a 9. Clearly the best of the lot so far.

LIZA CORD: Wow...was I surprised by the first 30 minutes. This looked like an ordinary rapetape. Would I see any real ZFX in this one at all??? I sure did! After the first 30 minutes, we have Chandra Sweet overpowering Amy van Allen. Both fully naked. Need I say more??? And this was only the beginning of the fun. I was going to grade this one with a 7, but because of Bryan Dunhill, I must make it an 8-. Rick: Please, if at all possible: Hire this dude again!

Coming up next: Reporter 2: Gangstarr; Disciplz of Pain; Misadventures of Lois Payne.

Damien

Damien

Damien:

Tiffany Twisted is one of my favorite ZFX tapes esp. BECAUSE OF the knock-out scene. We ZFX fans are not a homogenous group. Some of us (like you) like the takedowns, others of us (like me) prefer more subtlety.

I'm curious if Rick enjoys "straight" porn (i.e. non- bondage), and if so, why more of those themes have not made it into his tapes. Straight porn has gotten in some instances quite extreme, i.e. gang bangs, relentless ass-to- mouth, etc. Will we ever see those types of themes in a ZFX flick? Just wondering.

zee-ef-ex

BTW, you were half-right, half-wrong about Drew Phonix. She was not in "Gangland 4", but she did appear in "Gangland 5", easily the weakest of the 5-tape series. My biggest problem with that tape? She had what could have been a great torture scene, but it was ruined in my mind because Rick didn't even tie her up! I don't recall many details, so correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't she in a chair, receiving some sort of torture, and her hands weren't even tied at all? How could Rick drop the ball on such an easy play? The rest of that series, particularly the first two tapes, was among the best series that ZFX ever made, IMO.

Speaking of Drew, she had a mini-comeback of sorts with the final Gangland and also "The Necklace Part 3" before disappearing for good. She was a great actress, very expressive, and I would love to have her post here, as well. Not sure that she ever would; perhaps she prefers to stay out of the limelight, but the request has been made. Rick, talk to the wife! :o)

AND NOW.....THE MISSING REVIEWS

MISADVENTURES OF LOIS PAYNE: Since many spoke rather highly of this tape, I was a bit disappointed. I didn't find the acting to constant (sometimes very good, sometimes just VERY bad). Same goes for the bondage. I noticed a few mistakes that (IMHO) never should be made in videos like these. Like hands tied in such a way that they can remove gags, easy-to-escape-ropework.... The better parts of the movie, like an electrotorture made up for these bad points just partly. In all, I wouldn't grade this more than a 6.5, but because of the nice dialogues and the interesting plot, I'll raise it to 7.

DISCIPLZ OF PAIN

Very WEIRD tape. Very GOOD ropework. Very IRRITATING music (especially in the first part. But hey! I bought this one for the girl, Diedra Carrera. I can't help it, I just like to see her. Especially that angry, tormented look she sometime has.Grade: 6

REPORTER 2: GANGSTARR:

I saved this one for last, because it could be nothing but GOOD! And it was! Just like the first part, everything's perfect: Plot, dialogues, acting and...Monica Moore. Just one of the many, many highlights: The scene where she's tied-up, but- plugged, digesting a laxative.....Oh man! And to make this VERY good tape even PERFECT, it also has a few scenes with Ms. Kinkaid at the end of the tape. I'll have to safe my perfect 10 for a tape from Rick yet to be made, so I'l grade it with a 9.

That's all the reviews for now, folks...just started to prepare my next order, and I'll make sure you all have a say in it. Any suggestions???

Damien

My rave reviews of Lois Payne reflect my focus on breast bondage. VV's bags go through some serious torment, I think you would agree. With your input in ind, I'll qualify my recommendation: Lois Payne is a must-see for breast bondage and electo-torture enthusiasts. Folks like Larry would really like it, but others may not. Binding Contract is indeed a great video all around!!! I had forgotten about that one, but there was some really great scene with that cute petite sandy-blond-haired chick that starred in most of the early titles. Also, it feature some of the most realistic whipping I've seen in ZFX films.

We are indeed a heterogeneous group, but I think we certainly have one thing in common. I really enjoy reading and posting to this group.

I kept a bondage diary for many years before I started posting it to the internet. It does draw visitors to my site, but I'm still posting it mainly because it feels like a dialogue -- other people learn about me and themselves when they read it, and I learn about myself by posting it and hearing from others.

The same goes for the other writing on my site.

I was sorry when I realized that folks here felt that when I wrote descriptions of my shoots for Force Fantasies, they felt I was doing it as advertising, where I thought I was sharing a common experience that we all have -- an erotic feeling about these kinds of fantasies and events.

And now that I understand that readers here are particularly uncomfortable with writers' efforts to dialogue, I realize that I'm probably making everyone feel like I visit here for the wrong reasons (monetary potential.) So I apologize for having intruded and hope the forum will now return to its natural ambiance.

Thank you for my time here, it was very much appreciated.

Others: Mailed Maddog that I have most of the archives he's missing. He mailed back that someone else also mailed him stuff, and when he gets a chance to go through it, he'll let me know if he needs any of the archives I have.

Classic HOM loops rule (well some suck, but a lot of them rule!) But I've said this before in prior posts that never made the archives.

I for one have no qualms about you posting to this group. If you recall, I was one of the first posters to you classic HOM discussion board, and it was a real treat to see you posting here. This forum is all about sharing ideas, and that includes people who actually PROVIDE the vids we all like so much (and I have seen a number of your Close-Up vids - they are very erotic - all the more so because you yourself are in many of those vids) definitely should be welcome to post to this board, IMHO. I have seen no post here accusing you of spamming for your website, and I certainly don't feel that is your motivation. If this group's sceptism of the "reporter guy" turned you off, that is unfortunate, but I for one welcome your inputs in this forum, and would be dissapointed to see you leave.

Larry: Thanks for the input on Maximum Desade, and if you would care to elaborate, I was curious more specifically in the quality/quantity of any breast bondage in that vid.

I, for one, along with a lot of other members of this board welcome ladies and their viewpoints. I also thought that just about everybody went out of their way, to try and make you feel welcome. I even posted to your book to welcome you and to have you share your viewpoints no matter what they were.

This board is made up of many opiniated SOB's (me Included). Many are the times that we have disagreed with each other, and with rick. Also many are the times that Rick disageed with us. Having different viewpoints is what makes this board work. Otherwise it is one person posting and the rest of us going "yep,I agree". But the good majority of us can take critism and know that it isnt personal, it is just another person's point of view.

As far as the whole thing about Fred is concerned, I totally understand why you are defending him. You know him and trust him. That works for you, but just because you say so, that means that we are supposed to trust him wholeheardily. It dosent work that way, And for the last time I dont think that anybody here has anything personally against Fred, we are not ready for the exposure that could come along with an article. Think about your personal life, Do you tell every single person that you meet that you are into bondage? Some how I dont think so. Why? Because of the narrow minded ASS-HOLES out there that look down on you. Not Imagine a single man who is into the Bondage style Vids that ZFX produces, People would not only look down on us but they would probally go out of their way to see that we are thrown in Jail or at the very least run out of "their" neighborhoods. Now maybe can you see our reluctance to talk with Fred, even though his intentions were good. When was the last time you heard about one of the "god-fearing Catholics" twisting something to serve their own agenda.

As far as "us" feeling like you were doing advertising when you were posting about your shoots, If you remember correctly it was one guy, who most people cant even remember posting here before and has not been heard from since. So dont blame us many of the guys were more than willing to give you suggestion or read about your shoot, and if they werent then they could just skip that part of the board.

Bottom line here is that if you cant take the critism or somebody disagreeing with you then this would probally not be the best place for you to visit. I wish you luck in your future and hope that you can find all the things that make you happy

I'm with Mad Dog on this one: If you wanna go...be my guest. If you can't take the heat, it might be best to stay out of the kitchen. But don't do so, becuase you're affraid you may have made some of us "uncomfortable", don't make it sound like you're doing us a favour.

Damien

I didn’t want to weigh in on Lorelei’s argument with Damien. It was a subject that had already been discussed to death and there was no point to jumping in. Now we’ve got everybody jumping all over her because she felt uncomfortable. I'll admit to being surprised at Lorelei's message. If I'm dealing with somebody disagreeable and they can't see my line of reasoning and there’s nothing to be gained by continuing a discussion, I drop it. I've got better things to do. As ol’ WC said, “Never smarten up a chump.”

I’ll admit that it’s awkward to take a disagreement with one person and externalize it to a whole group. It’s still not right to be telling Lorelei to go or not go. I've enjoyed Lorelei's exchanges here and hope she decides to stick around. She's added a nice touch of color to the forum. There's certainly plenty of opportunity to interact with Lorelei in her guestbooks, but this forum is more active than most, so there's more thoughts flying, making more interesting conversations. Lorelei was coming her for one reason. She had to be enjoying the discussions that were happening here. This guestbook has enough focus that the participants are more of a like mind than most. That’s resulted in more thoughtful discussions. When I check into some of Lorelei’s guestbooks, I see fans with completely dissimilar tastes. A guy that can’t wait to see a bare foot hasn’t got much to talk about with another person that’s into mummification and neither of them want to hear about one of us talking about rape fantasies.

I’d much rather hear from Lorelei than wait for Damien to go back into pissing and moaning as he did many months back about the delays in shipping new ZFX videos. If anybody’s forgotten those grandiose days, look at the most recent archives. Everybody can relive the days when Damien was screaming about Rick betraying us because he wasn’t releasing his videos fast enough. Remember when he wasn’t going to buy any new ZFX tapes?

I don’t mean to beat up on Damien. He’s made a lot of worthwhile contributions to this guestbook when he wasn’t acting like a junkie needing a ZFX fix. Nobody took him to task when he was flying off the handle for what seemed like months. People were consoling him and trying to ease him out of his troubles. Did anybody really believe that he wouldn’t jump all over those new releases like a mosquito at a nudist camp? Everybody was patient and nobody beat Damien up for getting overly obsessive over his need for new ZFX product. Why not pay Lorelei the same kind of respect? A mistake was made. Let’s get past it.

I'm just saying, if she can be comfortable with us, groovy. If not, she should find a spot more to her taste. Us changing our ways to accomodate her wouldn't make for much of a forum, I reckon.

Peace,

Iago

"Deja-Vu" Damien

So I did get a little defensive, but I think my main points were still valid. If somebody dosent like the conversations here, then all they have to do is not read the board. We have never forced anybody to read or post here, if they dont want to. If She would have decided to just stop posting for whatever reason then we would not be having this discussion. Instead she has to send a post that sounded to me like when you were a kid and got excluded from something, instead of just dropping it you tried to go out of your way to show them that you didnt care.

So maybe that is not what she intended, but to me, and onlyme,that is what it sounded like.

RR: As far as the whole Damien thing, well that is all kind of played out. But if you were to go back and read the earlier posts (oops sorry you cant do that yet, because I am not finished with them, feel free to attack me at the end of this post because I deserve it) but if you remember I was the first one to jump all over Damien. But he was able to convince me or at least make me see his side of it. I knew that I wasnt going to change his opinion so I said what I needed to and dropped it. You also notice that we have moved on from it. Even Damien was able to put that part aside and post here without some kind of tone in his post. I also believe that at the time if Damien would have posted a final post like Lorelei, then we all would be saying the same thing to him. If you want to go, Go.

One last little note and that is what Iago posted. We very much welcome women here but we are not going to change who we are or our post just to satisfy them.

Well, there you have my opinions and I do not speak for everybody. Although that should go without saying.

IF I ever were to "leave" this board (I have no intention to do so), I simply would stop posting to it, not make a big thing out of it. To honest, I'm rather "new" to boards like this, so maybe i'm wrong (please correct me) but leaving any board withe a big announcement as a sort of "grande exit" is done only by someone who thinks to be more important than he (or she) really is. To be frank: It's of no interest do me who does NOT post, or why. I only care about posters and postings that DO appear.

As for the old "delay" discussion, I'm just as "through" with that as I'm sure most of us are. Still feel the same, but it's no longer an issue. But beeing misquoted or misinterpretid, I'll correct and will keep doing so.

Your "jumping all over me" is a perfect example of the usefullnes of discussion. While jumping you gave me (and I think more of us) a usefull and interesting insight on the production-side of ZFX and adult tapes in general. It made me change the prespective on "just" another release, and was very welcome inside information. Of course we still disagree. But so what! Let's agree to disagree, shall we???

Damien

I enjoy reading posts from new people just as much as anyone else, and really appreciate it when a woman comes in to share her point of view, but Lorelei really needs to lighten up.

When she first started posting here the forum started taking on a whole different feel for a while. People even had discussions as to the fact that it didn't feel like the same forum anymore, and that was fine. But then someone went and said a models in one of Lorelei's movies wasn't all that attractive, and I remember thinking how weird it was that she got all upset about that, I mean who cares? Then someone had the "nerve" to say that they didn't like Lorelei's posts, or something to that effect. I remember after reading it looking forward to hearing Lorelei response, because I myself thought the guy was off base and that Lorelei would deal with the guy with a few well place words, but instead she got all defensive with this very short post saying that she was no longer going to contribute to the site.

Of course she did, and then the whole thing with this reporter started. The guy had his say here, and those who wished to talk to him did and those who didn't care I'm sure will continue to ignore him. Even Rick weighed in on the subject and I figured it was a pretty much a dead issue. So now we have Damien and others having a very interesting dialog about the old HOM loops and I see a post from Lorelei. I figure she is going to have something to contribute because I remember her talking about HOM some time ago, but low and behold she wants to get into a pissing contest with Damien about weather or not reporters get paid to write articles. And now another post about not contributing to the site anymore. Ok, you've warned us twice now. If you don't want to post, then don't. Believe me when I say we will all get over it. I'm not saying that I want her to quit posting if she has something to say, but don't waist our time constantly getting your feelings hurt and then threatening us like some big drama queen about not talking to the forum anymore.

P.S. "Damien", you should really swallow your pride and get some of the new movies, non of us will think any less of you. (^_^) Can't wait to hear some more reviews of the older movies. I'm also in complete agreement with you on your assessment of the Reporter. Monica Moore is the BOMB!

Going to talk briefly bout what coming up and then comment on a few things.

I am still working on South Of the Border 5: In the Flesh. As you probably know, ZFX is going to a one at a time release schedule, but even so, I'm not exactly known as greased lightning when it comes to post production! In fact, I have been described as down right glacial on several occasions, but it is coming together nicely and will be out well before Christmas. Santa will be soooo relieved! Some caps and other stuff should be up on the site before then. Just so you know whats coming out, I'll give you a basic overview (shameless commercial plug) of the show.

The SOB series is basically a conglomeration of interwoven stories dealing with drugs, white slavery, torture and captivity in South America. The movie features much of the original cast from SOB 3-4 (Lisa Kinkaid, Kelly Mckay, and briefly Christina Anderson), as well as the addition of Penelope Pace from SOB 1 and also with a new ZFX performer petite cutie Marly Rowe and several new male actors as well. While it will continue with the story where it left off in SOB4 , it also will kind of tie together with the first SOB. Anyway, this installment essentially revolves around Ms. Rowe, who plays a junkie named Amber. Amber also works as a drug courier and the movie centers on her arrest and interrogation at the hands of the Joint Mexican-American drug task force. In the first scene at a clandestine drug lab, she is strapped naked to a table and half pound of large bindles(balloons with dope in them) are roughly shoved up her rectum until she begs them to stop which they of course dont. A large doggie toy is then inserted to hold them in place. Next, her gut bloated with her illegal cargo, our junkie Heroine makes it to a Mexico City hotel to exchange the dope for cash, which she is aching to expel, only to realize she has been set up when 3 cops swarm her, cuff, strip and beat her, then tie her spread eagle to the bed gagged with a bar of soap. Totally helpless, she is gang fucked by the dastardly law men. After shooting all over her face and belly, she is bound doggie style, and her ass is both filled and fucked with a bottle of hot sauce. A long hose with a rubber tipped probe tube is attached to a sink nozzle and she is given forced enema until the loot in her tortured ass finally pops out. Exhausted, she is re cuffed and taken to the Jail annex for more interrogation. Meanwhile, US embassy attorney Megan Cortez(Lisa Kinkaid) continues to receive the sadistic attention of Col. South and his CIA cohort. Picking up after her "bath"(the upside down suspended dunking scene from part 3), Ms. Cortez has her ass impaled on a electric prodded punishment chair, her nipples clamped with electrodes and her mouth fitted with a plug/electrode which is held in by a trainer. She is juiced to a sweaty heap. Shocked senseless, poor Megan is tossed on a dirty mattress for some oral/anal plundering, then horribly strangled and left for dead. While Megan gets this brutal treatment, one of her clients accused of trafficking(Kelly Mckay)is chained to the floor on all fours and brutally porked by Pedro the Mexican jail guard and his gringo DEA cohort(played by our very own Mad Dog). While Mr. Dog slides a large night stick up her ass, Pedro grudge fucks her mouth, eventually filling it with scum.

As I am still editing this piece, so thats all I can tell you for now. There might be some other scenes in there too. All depends on the run time of which I dont yet have a clue. BBFan is gonna smack me, but there is not any serious breast bondage in this one, more focusing on forced sex and torture. There are some very nice breasts in this movie however:) You are gonna like Marly Rowe. I would describe her as Pixieish...early 20s, petite, bobbed doo, strawberry blonde, very cute face, tight little body, with C cup tits(natural) that are extremely perky capped large protruding nips, very nice pussy and ass. Not the greatest boobs for tying though(too firm), but I woulda tried, I just ran outta time. This was logistically a difficult shoot. Very cool gal and she really did a nice job on this piece. Any way, thats whats coming!

Ok, a few comments:

Lorelie: I dunno if you'll read this, sounds like your not coming back, but I think alot of people liked your posts here. I dont think anyone in the group has it in for writers!?!?(DO we?) Uncomfortable with dialog? Thats all we do here! The whole thing with Fred Topel was silly, I didnt doubt his motivations or integrity as much as I just didnt feel like doing it. I think I speak for the majority who welcome your input, as well as any females interested in Bondage. Hell, we'd take input from females who arent into Bondage! WEJUSTWANTFEMALES!(23 Thorazine injections later....joke)Anyway, if it feels good, doit:) If you enjoy reading and posting here I think you will continue. If ya dont, then you probably wont. Either way, its all good, but I also always say....the more the merrier.;)

HOM Burning crotches: I have that one too, the Bondage Classic( I have the whole lot:) with the fire but mine is cut as well. I'm also pretty dam sure they told the model beforehand. I do have some uncut HOM though, among my most prized porno(I know ive bragged on this before:)They are full length movies and just plain awesome. Some of the titles include Bitter Sweet Revenge, Tourist Trap 1-2. A couple of these even feature one of mine(and probably your) favorite anti heros, the excellent Jeremy Whittman, laying pipe on a couple of the gorgeous gals that HOM employed.

Bondage Movie Surprise: You really have to tell people whats gonna happen before it happens. It would be unethical not to and youd probably end up in the pokey for a good long time and would probably deserve it too:(.

Watching Porno?: Do I watch regular porn. Rarely, but occasionally, yes. Back in the day, I used to watch alot of it. Do I like it? Yeah, but I dont know if it fully scratches my itch. Most of the porn made today is terrible(what I've seen). The 70s and early to mid eighties right before video got a toehold in adult, that stuff is premo. The Opening of Misty Beetoven, Barbara Broadcast, All American Girls are a few great ones. Of course many mainstream adult movies back then were bondage and rape oriented, or contained S&M themes. The quality was usually excellent, both of the talent and productions themselves which were shot on film. As far as A2M, gang bangs etc....gangbangs would be cool if the girl (pretended) to not like it instead of pretending to like it. A2M.....it definitely is a humiliating thing to suck shit from a cock or dildo fresh outta the bung hole.

Preston Graphics: Some like it but most of its too gross for me. Im not really into death, mutilation or necrophillia. Very talented artist though!

The Game: Well, thanks to Iago, I was able to get a game engine for a possible ZFX game. The engine is called the Auran Jet. The unique thing about it is that they allow you to develop the game for free and only have to pay if it is released commercially. This is a brilliant strategy. Ok, so any C game developers or 3d Studio Max mesh artists out there interested in making money and also making the most outrageous game ever developed? Send email, lets talk:)

LegalCRAP: The case of Devils Films vs Nilapul Video(a Manhattan NY video store). Yep, that case is in fact very real and I am aware of it, however that was a denial of seizure order without prejudice which basically means the Judge would not allow US Marshals to seize counterfeit products and equipment used in the production as is normally done, but did not preclude the Plaintiff, Devils film in this case from seeking relief at trial. Thats just what they did, and this case was eventually settled just before trial for a hefty sum of money. This Judge is known for his anti porn stance and religious viewpoints both of which have NO place in a US courtroom, much less a Copyright or Trademark case. Thanks for your info however , which leaves me scratching my head. How were you aware of this case? Hmmmmm. Care to enlighten me?

POLITiCALCRAP: Ok all you Americans, listen up! Lets face it, Al Gore is not the greatest candidate around, but please, for the love of pornography, vote for the man anyway. I think voting independant or green party is a wasted vote too. Without the support of the media, these Independents dont really stand a chance. Heres the bottom line: BUSH must be defeated at all costs. Obviously, this is my opinion, but we need every vote to count. If Bush gets in there, you will see the adult industry attacked with a vengeance and the Internet will be the main point of attack. Many of our rights as citizens will go bye by not the least of which will be your right to freely peruse the internet. Sure, those slimy Democrats want to disarm us, but we aint gonna let that happen anyway;) Join the NRA and vote Democrat hehe! We dont need to go back to the back alley days of yesteryear and thats exactly where Mr. Bush and his cronies wants to take us. Funny how theres a big gas price hike in an election year when 2 of the candidates happen to be....you guessed it, oil men. BTW, anyone know what the W. in George W. Bush stands for? Its not WALLACE is it? If its not, it should be. Inquiring minds want to know. Ok, putting away my soap box.....

Ok, thats it for now, back to the edit bay! Thanks to all who read, post and watch the movies and to our fearless administrator Mad Dog for keeping it all working! Also, a special thanks to the Gimp for founding this site.

Rick:)

The real issue is showing some courtesy and respect to others. Lorelei made a rash statement. I was going to leave it up to her as to how she'd resolve it without getting in the middle. This was an argument with one person and it was over an issue that I was done talking about. Lorelei took some remarks more personal than she should have and made a comment about leaving the group that seemed an overreaction. That reaction can be considered that of the type of female that MadDog doesn’t like or that of a women that’s overworked, exhausted, under a lot of stress, and coming to the guestbook for some relaxation only to feel insulted. As far as feeling that Lorelei was being condescending, I never got that impression. I’ve occasionally been accused of the same thing in my writings when it was the last thing on my mind. That’s the problem with the written word. Without facial expressions to back them up, it’s easy to mistake the intent of the writer.

It’s important to remember that, unlike most bondage personalities, Lorelei runs her own website and does the bulk of the dirty work involving prepping images and a lot of the HTML design work. This is a full time job. Normally, it's done by a third party and often leaves a lot to be desired of the sites. In her guestbooks, Lorelei has indicated that her sister continues to be stalked by her ex- husband and it’s very likely that the courts will grant him visiting rights to their daughter. The last time that happened, the daughter (then 2) was kidnaped and taken to Greece where it took over a year to get her back while the child was neglected and abused by the husband’s parents who were stuck caring for her. The husband only used the daughter as a pawn in an effort to force his ex-wife to come back to him. Lorelei has spent a lot of time and money trying to do whatever she can to prevent this man from seeing her sister again. Add the recent surgery that her boyfriend underwent for a serious back problem and we’ve got a person who may not have reacted the way she would in calmer times. Speaking of surgery, Damien, I’m glad that everything worked out okay with yours. I’ve never understood the phrase “routine surgery”. It might be routine to the doctor, but it’s rarely routine for the patient.

Lorelei said things that should not have been said. I’m not defending what was said. I wanted to remain silent on this and hoped that the words would be forgotten and Lorelei would be willing to come back and participate when she was ready. I wanted to leave options open. Everybody else could have done the same or they could kick her and insult her on the way out and it’s the latter that has happened. It’s as if Lorelei suddenly embodied every woman that has made guys feel inadequate and there was finally an opportunity to give a parting shot to one on the way out, an opportunity rarely gotten in the real world. This was a chance to anonymously put a woman in her place without any repercussions. Small wonder that there's not a lot of them here. Had Damien decided to make a point about leaving when he was getting overly obsessive about Rick being late with his videos, I wouldn’t have insulted him on the way out. Maybe that’s just me, but I see little point in kicking somebody when they’re down.

I stand corrected, Damien. I should have related your criticisms of Rick as being six months ago, not “many” months ago. As to whether or not you've bought any new releases, I don’t know. I tend to think that you’ll someday get them, if you haven’t already, based on how badly you wanted them. That’s just a guess on my part, but I don’t think you’d be telling us even if you bought them. Maybe you’d rather wait till they're old releases so that you can feel like you’re not buying new releases. Either way, I’m not sure what the point is. As long as you buy ZFX videos, you help Rick earn a living, whether they’re old or new. You’re not punishing him. You said some things when you were upset. Maybe they’re no longer applicable today.

That's the problem with making rash statements, threats, ultimatums, or promises in anger. A person has to live with them long after the anger has subsided and long after it makes sense. The worst part is being mad at somebody else for forcing one to adopt an other wise ridiculous position. I've seen too many people bitter about living with some stupid decision they made and focusing their anger on somebody else because of a firm belief that it was that person that forced them into taking an awkward position. Rather than reverse what became an unwise decision, they stubbornly refuse to show any sign of weakness and would rather put up with a position that's not to their advantage. Somehow, this is interpreted as strength instead of stubbornness. It's something I try to avoid doing. Life's too short to have to live by irrational statements I've made in times when I was too emotional to make saner ones. It would be safe to assume that I've lived and learned from a lot of really dumb choices in my life. Still, it’s nice to have Damien posting again, especially now that he’s gotten past the delay stuff. You might recall that I didn’t belittle or insult him when he was upset by those delays. I only bring those days up because he was the other party in what started all this and there was a period when his emotions got the better of him. My memory could be faulty, but I don’t remember anybody being too critical of those times. There were certainly opportunities to suggest that, if he wasn’t going to be buying or viewing any new ZFX videos, he might have better things to do with his time than coming to this guestbook, but nobody did that. I can’t recall the exact words MadDog used when he tried to calm Damien down, but it struck me more as an attempt to explain the delays rather than an effort to criticize him. I see a much uglier tone regarding Lorelei’s post than anything that I’ve ever seen here. The attitude of, “If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen” is both insulting and sexist.

I’ve been shocked by the response to Lorelei’s post. It was something that should not have been sent. It certainly would have been better for everyone else to leave it alone. Unfortunately, what’s done is done and it’s unlikely that she’ll ever feel welcome here again. It’s a shame because she brought a unique viewpoint here and helped energize a group that was starting to become a little stale.

Regarding the delays in getting the archives back up again, I’m sorry, but... Bad MadDog, Bad MadDog! You’re just lucky I don’t have a rolled up newspaper handy. No more ZFX for you till you restore them. I know I’m being harsh, but it has been a while.

Rick, I'm not gonna smack you at all. You are the only major US producer to put ANY attention to the beautiful art of breast bondage in the 90's, and that is why I'm an avid fan. Secondly, I also enjoy the forced penetration scenes and pussy play you purvey as well (I loved that scene in Miss Ballista 2 where Lisa is put on that confortable "seat") And I do appreciate that you are aware of us out here that share my perv. I know you can't make BB a focus of every film, but I at least have faith that you will devote a title to breast torment (I liked Kelly McKay in Underland 2 - maybe she might be willing to dabble a little more into BB), and I will continue to enjoy your other works until then.

On a political note, I tend to disagree with Rick on Gore (hold on... I'll explain). I KNOW Republicans have been the party of the religious right and intolerance in the past, but I really get the vibe that Gore and his political allies are even MORE paternalistic than the Reps. I have this theory that the far right and far left meet full circle at telling you what you can and cannot do, and I think Bush is less far right than Gore is far left. I have noticed that Clinton/Gore has put a lot of emphasis on getting internet access for all children. REALLY pushing for it. I'm just afraid that this push is to give them an excuse to ban or severely limit porn sites (for the children, of course). I really haven't noticed Bush pandering to the religious right like Dole did, so I don't think he will be endebted to them to push this kind of regulation through. Of COURSE libertarians are the way to go, and maybe the internet will help them gain support, but until them, I say stick as close to center as you can.

Just my 2 cents.

The SOB5 sounds real promissing. The first 3 SIB- tapes are among my favorites, and I'm really looking forward to the 5th installment. Can hardly wait to see that new girl too.

Since you always release more that just 1 new title, could you please tell a little more 'bout the rest of the upcomming releases???

Howie:

The sentiment sure is appreciated, but I checked with my dokter, and he assured me that heavy debating on a discussion board won't be hazzardous to my health in any way...:-)

RR: Sorry...won't get into that whole delay-thing anymore. Seems you feel like wasting time to repeat all that has been said over and over and over again.....I don't. Here's a tip: Simply cut/paste older postings would safe you a lot of time and effort.

The "heat/kitchen" attitude is insulting and sexist???

Hmmmm...Insulting??? How???. Someone wanted to leave the board....And some of us said "No big deal". How's that insulting???

Sexist??? No WAY! Any male would get the same attitude. At least from me.....maybe you take a different approach to females than to males on this board. I think there's a word for that....

Rick (again): Good thing you mentioned Mr. Whittman. I've enjoyed (and till anjoy) his perfomances for a looooong time. Back in the old days, when I was discovering BD?SM tapes, I remember how glad I was when he showed up in a tape. Always a guarrantee for a very entertaining show.

Since you own the uncut Touris Trap 1 & 2 (You lucky devil, you.....) maybe you can answer a question that's been on my mind for almost two deccades now (please answer..so i can finally get some sleep....): The picture on the boxot TT 1 shows a very good scene. On the left, we see three soldiers. One female, two male. One of the mail is sitting behind his desk. In front of the desk, there's a girl suspended, legs pread. Another girl lies tied on the floor, a third girl is tied and gagged in a chair.

I've always regret that this scene isn't in the video. But is it in the uncut version????

Damien

1) About Lorelei being overworked and having a lot going on in her life.--Howie semed to hit it pretty close to my feelings on what he said so I will keep this part short. I respect that fact that she has a busy life and has some problems that are probally weighing heavy on her mind. But please dont think that the only thing I do is sit home and neglect this board. I go to school full time. This quarter I have to learn new programs (Director7, Flash4, Fireworks, Authorware, Adobe Premier, 3d Studio Max, as well as improve my skills on Photoshop, and I dont have a good enough computer at home to work on so all of this has to be done at school) I also work 20 to 35 hours a week depending on the concerts at my Job. In between that I have a truck that is starting to deplete and needs work and a pile of bills that need to be paid off before I get out of school so I can afford to pay for the loans that will come due. So I have a lot going on as well.

2)As far as her being the type of female that I dont like is ridiculous. I was saying that I dint care for the personality type that tends to believe that there opinion is the only one and dosent even listen to yours, it dosent matter if they are Female or Male.

3)I, personally dont think that anybody was trying to kick her or insult her on the way out. Again that is my opinion. You mentioned that you would not do that, if anybody left the board in that way. Well as you can see that is the difference between us. Like I said, I wasnt trying to kick her when she was down, I just thought it was innapropriate and I voiced my opinion about it. Let me just say though that if I thought that anybody else on this board were jumping all over her and taking cheap shots then I would be the first to jump all over them and tell him that it's innapropriate.

4) As far as my response to Damien, and the whole delay thing, you seem to remember it wrong. Yes I explained the process to him but I also had acertain tone to it as well. O.K. Last thing I will ever say on that Issue as well.

5)As well as the whole "sexist thing" That is utterly ridiculous. The term "if you cant stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen" does not just apply to women and by no way is it insunating that women belong in the kitchen. Hows this one for you if you dont like the cold dont stand outside in Minnesota in the middle of winter.

6) As far as the whole tone of Lorelei's post having a tone. I did say that was me and only me. Go back and re-read my post and you will notice the Me is highlighted.

as far as the whole Archive thing goes, you are totally right but if you are going to punish me, make sure you turn the duties over to someone like Lisa Marie Scott (if you dont know who she is look her up)

O.K. enough on those subjects

Thanks to BBFan for the info on Tabitha Jordan. Although I barely recognized her as a blonde. I think she looked much better as a brunette, besides the picture that they have up is not the best one of her. She is still good loking, but please go back to brunette.

O.K. I am done now, hopefully we can all have our last say and move on back to Bondage discussions. Also for the last time the views and opinions are Mad Dog's and his alone. He does not speak for the whole board.

Alex, Renee Baker is definitely the bondage queen of the era, and had excellent facial expressions to go with that great body. I wonder what she's doing now. I also like Georgia van Helsing, Anne Bruno (those TITS!) and Sharon Montgomery, but Renee was the best! As for Lorelei, I'm sure most people on this forum would welcome her back if she wants to start posting again. She certainly has grabbed the focus of this forum the past couple of days.

Just curious.

Um, away from the "he said, she said" and back to the movies? Please? How boring all of that is.

Rick: I loved your blow-by-blow (smile) description of SOB- 5. For some reason, that kind of writing, speaking so matter-of-factly about outrageous things, strikes me as hilarious. I was so laughing while I read your description. And gagged with a bar of soap? Talk about humiliating, it's like being treated like you are 7 years old again.

Regarding how I came upon the court case, I'm Judge Martin, a closet ZFX-fan! He he he. Actually, all I feel like saying right now is that I read widely and came upon this. If you can elaborate on why you're curious, I will explain further.

Re A2M and gangbangs and the like, I think a cool scene (probably difficult logistically to pull off in a flick without actual insertion) would be two chicks bound, maybe one kneeling and one bent over a chair. The bent over one gets the anal pounding and the kneeling one gets it in the mouth, with constant alternating between the one girl's ass and the other girl's mouth. I guess I'm just a romantic kind of guy (smile). Rhetorical question. Please. let's move on. And Rick, please give us something to chat about. SOB-5, da sooner da better.

zee-ef-ex

I'm not a grammatical spaz, really, I'm not. But you have heard about how sometimes things get lost in transmission on the net? A sentence or two from my last post got clipped - how weird. All I was saying was something about with such pervs on this board, how can we expect other than to scare away Lorelei? He he.

zee-ef-ex

Since I noticed that some of us in reviews or otherwise use some of their favorite quotes from ZFX-flicks, I thought it might be a good idea to invite everybody to post his or her all time favorites. Here are mine (straight from my memory...so forgive me when they're slightly off):

1 "Suck my dick" - Lisa Kinkaid in "The art of Darkness". Most of the tape is a waste of time to watch, but this one line seems to make it worth my while over and over again. Hilarious!

2 "So that's why they call you Regina Waters" - Bryan Dunhill in "The Reporter 1". Might very well be the only line he has in all of that tape without the word "fuck". My guess is that he, when not acting, watched reruns of Eddy Murphy's one-,an shows all day.....Always love to see him, miss him very much! (Rick??? You get the hint????)

3 "So this is hell?? Doesn't look to bad to me....." - Rick Masters in "Hellbound". Although I must say I like Rick as an actor the most when he has a silent role (he can be silent VERY threatening!!!, like in most parts of "Alien Probe"), this was one cool line!. Come on guys...let's here your favorites!

Damien (afraid to BORE zee-ef-ex away form this board...LOL)

Quick follow up. Jeremy Whitman may BE Matt Cole, but I think he is another dude because I have a movie(title escapes me) where they both appear in the show. Its set in a mental hospital and has some hardcore content as well. Really nice show too. Anyway, at the end they do credits with stills of characters, and those names are given to 2 different guys. The thin bearded man is credited as Jeremy Whitman(or maybe Jason, not sure) and Matthew Cole was the other guy, mustache, no beard but actually looked like the other guy a bit. Any, hope that helps clear it up a bit. I know very little bout the actual history of the different companies involved with HOM, like Cal star, but some of Cal stars early stuff, like Triple Cross, were very good. I'm not sure what has become of the people involved, but they may be very old or even deceased. One things for sure, they made some great movies, and they will live on forever! It would be cool if someone could do a where are they now....One specific question about TouristTrap1-2 about the cover scene, I dont have the cover on mine, just the tape, so I cant say for sure, There is a scene like that in one of the movies, but I only recall 2 gals, one on the desk, one in the chair.

zeeefex: No need to clarify further, didnt mean to dig into your personal identity, just was curious. Appreciate the info;)

Chandra Sweet and Bryan Dunhill: Bryan and Chandra were great to work with and Ive said before, would love to shoot them again, but they aint calling and I have no way of contacting them. Bryan was MY favorite ZFX actor as well but I cant MAKE him work so.....

GW Bush: is a tool of the right wing, have no doubt. If you no longer wish to view adult material online, simply vote for Bush or an independent, and you wish will be granted. Gore/Lieberman dont exactly have a stellar record on the first amendment but this may be the lesser of 2 evils. Until the alternative parties get some fair money and exposure like the 2 parties now ruling the country, they just cant compete. I predict this will happen but not this time around. Any vote not for Gore, is a vote for Bush. Anyway, thats my 2 cents worth...

RR: Made some statements about saying and doing rash things in anger, and then trying to live with them instead of looking weak and reversing yourself. Very wise words indeed. Ultimatums are generally unwise.

So what is this SMX stuff? Sounds interesting. Any links to a site perchance?

Ok, thats it for now....

Rick:)

In fact, one of my favorite non-ZFX bondage scenes was in a tape called "Street Thieves". In that one, a bound and gagged woman got tied up inside a sauna and locked inside, then the heat was then turned all the way up. You saw her squirm around in her ropes, then slowly the sweat built up on her and she was being overcome by the heat, but still helpless in her ropes. Believe me, it was a hot scene! No real action to speak of, just bondage and suspense, and they pulled it off beautifully. I could picture a similar scene with Lisa spread out in the sun as well; it would be a great slow torture.

BTW Rick, your description of things to come in "South of the Border 5" makes me want to see it even more. Hot sauce up the rectum! What a great idea! Your last entry in the series was your best one yet, and you keep topping yourself. "SOB 5" is now at the top of my Christmas wish list. I think I'll have to buy it for myself, though. Better not mention that one to the relatives... :o)

Per:

Could you please go into a little more detail with those Tao vids you recommend? I agree with you that their quality is all over the map, so info on quality efforts would be very helpful.

Blackmail: If in my postings I gave te impression of wanting to blackmail you, I truely apologize. Though I did not change my mind at all on the subject discussed at that time, I never had that intention. However, somehow you got that impression, and I feel responsible for that. Any suggestion of blackmail would have been wrong, uncalled for, useless, VERY undeserved but also unintentional.

TAO: Oh, yes....I remeber TAO. In fact, I'm blessed with owning the 'Trained Dog" (Which is actually titled "Bound and Abused"....the title is VERY accurate..). I also remeber "Walk the Line", and plan to order it sometime in the near future. Not a lot of bondage (though a few very good scenes), and an excellent developing storyline. Worth to be seen at least once by all members of this board. And I reember some other good ones too: "The X-Wife", "Bich Busters" and of course "The Junk Yard" (This one is on the Collectors series 1).

I'm looking forward to hear reviews on more of TAO's stuff, because there's a lot more out there taht i haven't seen, and I hate to order a tape just on a "hunch". The more details, the better.

Hey! Am I the only one who has favorite quotes, or am I just the only one who thought it might be an interesting topic or am I the only one who watches ZFX tapes just because of the dialogues...

Damien

Been reading a while but nervous to post after some of the back and forths, but since that seems to have cooled down, here I am. Let me first say that I fucking LOVE ZFX movies. They're the only bondage tapes I can watch. I've been ruined for all the rest. But there are some things I'd love to see added to the formula, if I may be so bold to suggest:

1) Some non-gagged scenes - I know lots of people love gags, but can't we have a few scenes where we get to hear the girls protest and scream? Especially for the penetration scenes, I'd love to hear them cry about how much it hurts!

2) Less standard whipping - Aren't there some new tortures we can think of for the girls? It's always whipping, clipping things on genitals, wax sometimes. I saw a movie once called "The Setup" where a guy spreadeagled a woman outside, poured honey on her and watched the ants crawl all over her. Anyone else remember that? I'd love to know who made it. The copy I saw never had any credits.

Short of insect torture, how about more focus on the privates? Maybe have some scientists conduct experiments to see how much a woman can take in each hole? I saw a James Bond porno spoof once where the villain threatened to poke the female spy's cunt with the world's longest dildo, a la Sean Connery on the laser table in Goldfinger. How about stuff like that. I haven't seen the Ballista films, and they sound like something I'd like.

3) Soap opera set-ups - What if a jilted lover arranged to have his ex kidnapped, rendered helpless to let her mortal enemy have his way with her? This would work great as an un-gagged scene because she could scream about how much she hates the guy.

Mostly, more penetration. I fucking LOVED 666:2 when the brunette was tied legs behind her back, ass in the air. But why didn't anyone stick it in her? She was so prone and open!

Also, LOVE the sweat. Seeing the girls sweat shows that they're really going through something. Girls in those other tapes never look like they've gone through anything.

Thanks, Rick. Anything you could do about the prices? Maybe a special rate to put four movies on a tape on EP speed? I know it will be a quality loss, but I just can't afford it and the local podunk video store never gets anything new.

I'm surprised that you noticed that I was casting a wide net with the paragraph on being careful about saying things in anger. It was intentionally broad.

Based on some old posts I'd seen in alt.sex.bondage, there were a series of torture loops made by Matthew Cole that featured Blakemore. I haven't seen any of those in the original 8mm format, so I don't know how they were credited (normally, bondage loops carried no credits other than the company name releasing them. The context of the posts were that they were the same person. This wouldn't be the first time that a pseudonym was used in more than one way. I suspect that those old loops are the ones that were featured in SM Bizar mags (recently posted by Chad in alt.sex.binaries.bondage) and also released on a few German videos I've seen (using the same music as the HOM loops which means they were made here--apparently Bill Majors gave them the music according to one of his old posts).

As far as a "where are they now," it would be nigh impossible because Blakemore worked in the south (accounting for the barns used in a lot of his photosets and the heavy southern accents of his performers in his videos). That's why the models disappeared when he stopped producing work. I wrote a bio of Blakemore for Lorelei that will someday be featured in a bondage history webpage, but I have no idea when that's ever going to happen. The only real inside info I got was from Bill Majors when I sent him a copy to check for accuracy. I don't know if you're still on talking terms with him. It would be hard to write a bondage history because there's so little information out there. The only way to do it would be for somebody with a lot more energy than I have to pound the streets and search for the original people that were around at that time.

I never said my memory was perfect. It's still one of the best places for pix in spite of efforts by spammers to drown out the content with their ads.

Joe Smith....Yeagh, right....sounds like a real name to me. Who 'ya foolin' :) Welcome bud.

Reading Ricks descriptions on SOB5 I was glad to hear he includes some forced oral in a couple of scenes. I think a splattering facial would have been good in the scene of the strangulation of Lisa's character. Kind of a finale humiliation as her face glistens during the strangulation. Or even right after, jerking off on her face as she lay there to put the finishing touches on her indignation. Just this demented souls veiwpoint.

Re: SMX vids

FYI: Robert pointed out that the SMX vids sold by Ona Zee on her site are available to members of www.sadoslaves.com. The versions on that site as well as those on Eroticpunishment (www.4bdsm.com) seem to have a bit more intense content to them--anal penetration of various sorts (buttplugs, enemas,assorted fingering), for example. You can save the JPEGs on Sadoslaves.com--all you need to do is drag the JPEG off the browser window and onto your desktop--works on the Macintosh, at least. Kinda weird how there are at least 3 versions of these vids around.

Observant smuthounds will note that the fat English dominant guy in the SMX/Sadoslaves stuff (AKA Lord Byron, AKA "Mike") plays the affable gyno in alot of the Voyeurvision/Holio internet vids. Tough job feeling up all those nublie 19-25 year olds, but I gues someone's got to do it.

I'm fairly sure all that stuff is produced out in Vancouver. All the best strip clubs are out there so talent must be readily available.

re: tortured celebrities

A little Photoshop is a dangerous thing.

The guy gets points for enthusiasm, but he can't draw a likeness to save his life. I reckon in the future we'll be able to clone celebs through biological or digital means in order to realize these dartk dreams even better.