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Floor13 wrote: Sun Sep 28, 2025 7:24 pm
martbill wrote: Sun Sep 28, 2025 2:39 pm
Floor13 wrote: Sun Sep 21, 2025 7:38 pm Sigh.
Came back from an exhausting weekend (not in a good way). 3 hours sleep, 2 nights in a row, so already very tired and emotional.
Looked at a few clips that I was sent of a new film.

Had a little cry.

I'm just done.
Are you referring to the Lara Croft custom featuring Elsa? Purchased it last night and thought the first two suspension positions in particular were absolutely amazing, especially in the Lara Croft outfit, although her reactions to the electric shocks were a little odd. Just wondering if the video is what you were hoping for?
Yes, that was part 1 I guess. I didn't know it was up for sale already. And no, it wasn't what I asked for, not by a long way.

0) No sweat/oil. Couldn't have been more clear, cover her in sweat, dripping off every inch of her body. But she's dry as a bone.
1) I paid Elsa $50 to buy the green top and the thigh-holsters.
2) There was supposed to be a scene where she is running in the woods, so we actually see her as Lara Croft. That part is nowhere to be seen. Then she is marched along, hands cuffed behind her back, eyes and mouth taped. Nope. Then left kneeling in a cell, struggling to breathe though the tape. Nope, missing.
So I paid $50 for them to immedietly take off the holsters.

3) She was supposed to be unable to open her mouth, and couldn't scream. So wanted a gutteral noise as she could barely breathe. But the mic appears to have picked up the winding of the shock device instead of her noises. Also half the time she didn't react at all.

4) Worst of all, after they stripped her, they were supposed to put clamps on her nipples, and leave her hanging for 10 minutes, getting random shocks from the device. Theresa sits there watching and rubbing herself. NONE OF THAT IS THERE. She gets a couple of shocks, then the scene ends. I just couldn't believe they had left out most of the scene.

5) Then she is hanging spread-eagle. Sigh. Her arms are uneven heights, it just looks weird. I know how hard it is to hang unevenly, and I weigh nothing, and I make damn sure it is an even suspension. I begged them, and made it clear, it must be an even hang to look good. And even worse, she keeps twisting her body sideways. And bending her knees. It just drives me mad, I made it so clear. ANd then the tape is hanging off her mouth, and they didn't re-stick it, after I made it clear how important the tight wrap was.

Speaking of tape:
6) I told them to use grey/silver tape. Alex asked if I wanted a black background, I said yes. THen I see they used black tape, against a black background, so you lose all the effect of the painfully tight wrap.

Like I said, it just brought me to tears with frustration. The time I spent making it clear. Showing exaclty what she should do with her body, the noises. And 80% is not there on the screen.


Have they released the bit with her tied to a pole?
I cannot understand what the hell they were doing, and how it relates to the Elise Graves clip I showed them. Also, the clips are not on her nipples, but on the metal ring that is held on with string. STRING! not a piece of wire, or a leather cord. Just a ratty piece of string.


THe 4th scene is good however, she gets sliced up with a straight razer. Her arms are in the wrong postion, so we don't get a muscle flex I showed them the angle, they ignored). I told them to either use a tall posture collar, or wrap a belt many time around her neck, so it is all the way up. "Sure, no problem" they say. Instead we get a thin belt around her neck (Actually it looks OK, pulling her neck back... But, still wasn't what I asked for).

ELsa does zero body acting in this scene, so no muscle flex or hand movements, or body movement. Just sits there. They use the drill only twice. Told them to drill her whole body. Stab her only once I think, again, told them multiple. Don't recall any face cutting or lip cutting (I only swipped through).

Told them to just do a non-stop cutting and stabbing and drilling. Instead we get a dozen. Showed them what she should look like, covered in blood. INstead we see a few lines of too bright blood. THen she is strangled, and of course, her tongue comes out at the end, despite me telling them every time NOT TO DO THE STUPID TOUNGE when strangled (Why is that a thing? Your tounge doesn't stick out when you're strangled. Where does this even come from?)

$550 for a few minutes of good stuff, and a bunch of missing stuff.

I know I sent them a complicated script, and I know how tall Elsa is and what she probably weighs. But, and I got them to confirm all the suspension stuff twice each in seperate emails, they said yes no problem. Yet here I am again, bitching about them not just copying what I gave them.

It's the frustration and wasted time that gets me the most. Do they just take the money and do whatever? Or do they really think they have delivered? I honestly think it is the latter, so it just boggles my mind.



Also, it's taken me this long to realize about her tattoo. It is covering an 18inch scar down the front of her chest/stomach, and she has a scared naval. Never saw it before due to the camera quality and lighting. Alex changed it for this film to get a different look.
Wow - very sorry it was so disappointing compared to your script. Totally agree with all the points you made. Have you written Alex to voice your (very valid) complaints?

I had to make the decision to stop working with Cruel World because, although they have an amazing setup, too many subtleties and nuances are lost when dealing with a producer in a different language. It seems that here, major things were just omitted entirely, which feels pretty unacceptable.
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martbill wrote: Sun Sep 28, 2025 7:41 pm

Wow - very sorry it was so disappointing compared to your script. Totally agree with all the points you made. Have you written Alex to voice your (very valid) complaints?

I had to make the decision to stop working with Cruel World because, although they have an amazing setup, too many subtleties and nuances are lost when dealing with a producer in a different language. It seems that here, major things were just omitted entirely, which feels pretty unacceptable.

No not yet. Working up the courage, I don't do confuntations well. I know I'll see the reply in my inbox and put off opening it forever, then I get the guilt and have to get a proper thrashing to get my mind back on track.
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What do you all do if a custom video is just nowhere near what you had requested?

Just received a custom video, and it would be an understatement to say that a huge percentage of my video outline was ignored. Is that something you’d bring up to the producer? I don’t want to ruin my relationship with this creator, as they are very talented, but the video I received is simply not what I paid for. Happy to give specifics if needed.
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martbill wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:20 pm What do you all do if a custom video is just nowhere near what you had requested?

Just received a custom video, and it would be an understatement to say that a huge percentage of my video outline was ignored. Is that something you’d bring up to the producer? I don’t want to ruin my relationship with this creator, as they are very talented, but the video I received is simply not what I paid for. Happy to give specifics if needed.
As an amateur producer that has also commissioned dozens of customs I would give them the opportunity to rectify it. Only issue could be if the model they used is traveling and isn’t readily available
But certainly reach out
Btw, just sent you a message :D
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martbill wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:20 pm What do you all do if a custom video is just nowhere near what you had requested?

Just received a custom video, and it would be an understatement to say that a huge percentage of my video outline was ignored. Is that something you’d bring up to the producer? I don’t want to ruin my relationship with this creator, as they are very talented, but the video I received is simply not what I paid for. Happy to give specifics if needed.
I agree with TonyTom, in that they at least need a chance to explain what happened vs. your expectations. It can, and should be done civilly, though I can also understand if you are hot under the collar, not to mention, bummed out.
My take on everything is "they can't read your mind", so unless you discuss things with them...

And btw, "very talented" means little if they can't shoot a custom to satisfy your expectation. MO. :geek:
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yyy02 wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:58 pm
martbill wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:20 pm What do you all do if a custom video is just nowhere near what you had requested?

Just received a custom video, and it would be an understatement to say that a huge percentage of my video outline was ignored. Is that something you’d bring up to the producer? I don’t want to ruin my relationship with this creator, as they are very talented, but the video I received is simply not what I paid for. Happy to give specifics if needed.
I agree with TonyTom, in that they at least need a chance to explain what happened vs. your expectations. It can, and should be done civilly, though I can also understand if you are hot under the collar, not to mention, bummed out.
My take on everything is "they can't read your mind", so unless you discuss things with them...

And btw, "very talented" means little if they can't shoot a custom to satisfy your expectation. MO. :geek:
That’s a really good take at the end. This is my third custom video with this producer, and every video is close to what I want, but never exactly what I’m hoping for. Lots of minor details always missed.

This creator is very budget-friendly, but maybe a rule of thumb should be if you want something done exactly right, maybe spend more $ on a higher budget studio rather than getting several smaller budget films.

Any ideas how I should voice my criticisms to the creator? They even asked what I thought of the video, but I don’t want to be mean or upset them at all.
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martbill wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2025 6:10 pm
yyy02 wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:58 pm
martbill wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:20 pm What do you all do if a custom video is just nowhere near what you had requested?

Just received a custom video, and it would be an understatement to say that a huge percentage of my video outline was ignored. Is that something you’d bring up to the producer? I don’t want to ruin my relationship with this creator, as they are very talented, but the video I received is simply not what I paid for. Happy to give specifics if needed.
I agree with TonyTom, in that they at least need a chance to explain what happened vs. your expectations. It can, and should be done civilly, though I can also understand if you are hot under the collar, not to mention, bummed out.
My take on everything is "they can't read your mind", so unless you discuss things with them...

And btw, "very talented" means little if they can't shoot a custom to satisfy your expectation. MO. :geek:
That’s a really good take at the end. This is my third custom video with this producer, and every video is close to what I want, but never exactly what I’m hoping for. Lots of minor details always missed.

This creator is very budget-friendly, but maybe a rule of thumb should be if you want something done exactly right, maybe spend more $ on a higher budget studio rather than getting several smaller budget films.

Any ideas how I should voice my criticisms to the creator? They even asked what I thought of the video, but I don’t want to be mean or upset them at all.
If they’re asking then do explain your desires a bit more. Your a repeat customer so that means a lot and I think most producers have thick skin and know or ant to know those little items that really make it for their customer
At the end of the day we all want to be Completely Satisfied :D
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tonytom wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2025 6:19 pm
martbill wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2025 6:10 pm... This is my third custom video with this producer, and every video is close to what I want, but never exactly what I’m hoping for. Lots of minor details always missed.

This creator is very budget-friendly, but maybe a rule of thumb should be if you want something done exactly right, maybe spend more $ on a higher budget studio rather than getting several smaller budget films.

Any ideas how I should voice my criticisms to the creator? They even asked what I thought of the video, but I don’t want to be mean or upset them at all.
If they’re asking then do explain your desires a bit more. Your a repeat customer so that means a lot and I think most producers have thick skin and know or ant to know those little items that really make it for their customer
At the end of the day we all want to be Completely Satisfied :D
Yes.
If they’re asking for feedback, by all means give it to them.

It could have been they were using a different camera person, or maybe a different makeup person. Maybe a new camera? Could be they changed the set. Or the lighting. You don’t know.

Unless you were very specific in what you wanted, and provided examples, then anything else could conceivably be left up to interpretation.

In this specific case, it doesn't have to be totally negative. Maybe you could start by saying, I liked w and x, but wasn't totally happy with y.

Any producer worth anything knows that repeat business is probably the most valuable kind?
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