localroger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:31 pm
On reflection, I think a section for practical techniques for play GIMP-age might be a worthwhile side forum. It's certainly a thing a lot of people who land here would be interested in, but not quite the forum main topic as it's been developed over the years.
That's right, but there's currently no adequate sub-boards where to put this information without interfering with the original philosophy of this forum. But I also noticed that each time an electro-torture thread is started it generates many practical and technical questions.
All the commercially available electrical bdsm "toys" are current limited and safe to use (unless of course you suffer from heart weakness) but there are many possible variations and use. Although I do not recommend building yourself electrical toys, the probes are usually very expensive for what they are and could be DIY built with minimal materials and skill. Also, pet (dog) training electric collars are safe (and cheap) and can be converted to other uses with little efforts, etc... I would be also interested to know more about the physiological effects (and possible risks) of insertable (vaginal / anal) probes but I'm not a doctor.
It would be also good to explain (in simple terms) why it is allways preferable to use bi-polar (two wired) probes even when there are many of them used at the same time across the body,
localroger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:14 pm
A brief side note on the video that theelectrician linked: Neither of the picana-like e-stim devices Princess Donna uses on Lorelai would be considered actual torture devices by, well, actual torturers. They are play devices whose current is modulated and gated to create play effects such as exaggerated convulsions. It is a good vid and well worth a look, but pay particular attention to ms. Lee's reaction to the cattle prod, which is the actual device used by the Chileans for real torture. Observe how she recoils from it and imagine being completely immobilized while that is dragged slowly across your body. That is how it was actually used.
Fascinating discussion, folks. Some interested questions and musing, re: tied victims with wire/wired clamps attached to their body:
localroger: "...Continuous current will cause any muscles it passes through to spasm, locking them up. Alternating current will cause them to vibrate but still mostly stay locked. .."
I speculate that the facility current at 50-60 cps will maintain a "locked" posture because the cycles are too fast for muscles to react to, so they are held there?
Breathing as well. Depending on where the electrodes are placed, I dunno? Maybe shocked screaming/guttural sounds until they ran out of breath?
So having said that, the Japanese videos which show the extreme arched position, vibrating at sped up video speeds are maybe the most realistic?
moss: "...What would be the longest time you could keep a body under continuous current? Would that be related to how long one can hold their breath as it were? "
Speculation is that the victim could expire and as long as the voltage is applied, they would be held in that position? Maybe it depends on where the electrodes are attached, and which muscle groups are affected?
I enjoy the "stiff, arched position" as the most appealing to me, maybe because it seems most realistic?
The whole "shaking" thing as a response seems only realistic if the torturer were varying the voltage, either manually or programmed? And the torturer would become more tired, quickly if they were doing it manually?
Hmm, also looks like it can be fairly localized, depending on where you attach your electrodes? I would think that you want to avoid anything going across or through the heart or head? Unless you don't care?
If you are electro-torturing someone in such a way as to get the "arched position" then you are passing significant current through the abdominal cavity. It looks cool but would be very dangerous if you were really doing it and it not being acting. You can pass enough current through a person's thigh and calf muscles to lock them up all day long without killing them, but do that to the lungs or heart and you might have a problem.
Building your own electrical toys really isn't a problem if you take minimal precautions. A 1 megohm resistor in series with one of the two electrodes will make anything pretty safe unless you are working on someone with a weak heart or other health problem. I once made and actually used a stim made from the electric starter for a BBQ grill. It emitted brief pulses of 25 Kv at very low current, and was more "stimulative" than painful. (I got the idea for it from a chiropractor, nearly identical devices are used to de-tension stiff muscles.) It eventually fried the SCR, but I do have a replacement...
yyy02 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:18 pm
Fascinating discussion, folks. Some interested questions and musing, re: tied victims with wire/wired clamps attached to their body:
localroger: "...Continuous current will cause any muscles it passes through to spasm, locking them up. Alternating current will cause them to vibrate but still mostly stay locked. .."
I speculate that the facility current at 50-60 cps will maintain a "locked" posture because the cycles are too fast for muscles to react to, so they are held there?
Breathing as well. Depending on where the electrodes are placed, I dunno? Maybe shocked screaming/guttural sounds until they ran out of breath?
So having said that, the Japanese videos which show the extreme arched position, vibrating at sped up video speeds are maybe the most realistic?
moss: "...What would be the longest time you could keep a body under continuous current? Would that be related to how long one can hold their breath as it were? "
Speculation is that the victim could expire and as long as the voltage is applied, they would be held in that position? Maybe it depends on where the electrodes are attached, and which muscle groups are affected?
I enjoy the "stiff, arched position" as the most appealing to me, maybe because it seems most realistic?
The whole "shaking" thing as a response seems only realistic if the torturer were varying the voltage, either manually or programmed? And the torturer would become more tired, quickly if they were doing it manually?
Hmm, also looks like it can be fairly localized, depending on where you attach your electrodes? I would think that you want to avoid anything going across or through the heart or head? Unless you don't care?
This kind of posts perfectly illustrates the reason why we NEED a separate thread to etablish a firm distinction between FANTASY and REALITY .
Reading your post twice I'm still not sure on which side you are. But just let me say that everything you mention is highly dangerous, even deadly. Trying to find out at which voltage/conditions you'll "lock" is not a game to play. You can "lock" either at AC or DC depending on the voltage, current flow/intensity/path and many other factors. This could lead to muscular (heart) fibrillation and ultimately... death !
Even if all this seems quite obvious to everyone here I think that any "electro" thread should start with a BIG WARNING / CAUTION ! clearly stating all the risks involved when playing with electricity.
NEVER use anything directly connected to the AC mains, allways use only battery operated devices. This must be an unbreakable rule !
I restored/repaired many (mains powered) antique electrotherapy high frequency wands (also popular in BDSM games) and even if they were harmless for the victim (because the probes are all glass which is a good insulator) there was still a real risk of electrocution... for the torturer manipulating the device ! !
Yes Edukator you are completely right, I am not posting here to the Girls In Having Too Much Fun Peril forum. What I have posted today is not a guide to sex play, it is a guide to someone who wants to write about how truly evil assholes would go about the real non-fun torture of GIMPs. Safe sex play with electricity is a very different topic and one that should probably be discussed somewhere. Whether this will be that place is kind of up to Ralphus I think.
Edukator wrote: ↑...Even if all this seems quite obvious to everyone here I think that any "electro" thread should start with a BIG WARNING / CAUTION ! clearly stating all the risks involved when playing with electricity...
Relax, it's all fantasy for me. I probably should have made that crystal clear at the beginning of my post.
I'm always interested in knowing what's "realistic" and what's not, since there are so many versions of "electrotorture" and reaction to electrotorture out there.
And yes, I realize that any and all of it can be quite dangerous, I have an extensive electronics background. Thank you for the concern.
localroger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:43 pm''...it is a guide to someone who wants to write about how truly evil assholes would go about the real non-fun torture of GIMPs. Safe sex play with electricity is a very different topic and one that should probably be discussed somewhere....
Exactly. And that evil intention is something I don't have familiarity with and would just like to know a little more about.
But it's not something that I'm about to go searching on the Web for...
yyy02 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:48 pm
Relax, it's all fantasy for me. I probably should have made that crystal clear at the beginning of my post.
I'm always interested in knowing what's "realistic" and what's not, since there are so many versions of "electrotorture" and reaction to electrotorture out there.
And yes, I realize that any and all of it can be quite dangerous, I have an extensive electronics background. Thank you for the concern.
Thank you for the clarification.
Maybe I overreacted a little but being an electronic engineer myself I'm fully aware of the risks.
And we should never forget that this forum has a much wider audience and is available to non-registered users who might not have the necessary experience and hindsight we do.
yyy02 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:48 pm
Exactly. And that evil intention is something I don't have familiarity with and would just like to know a little more about.
But it's not something that I'm about to go searching on the Web for...
When I was researching the history of the picana and parilla I used DuckDuckGo. As I mentioned on another venue, I was not about to put any of those search terms into the big G because who knows what they'd end up trying to sell me next.
I have never taken much interest in images or stories depicting electrical torture, preferring that beautiful young breasts be subjected to more impactful techniques -- whipping, strapping, caning, slapping, punching etc, occasionally used in conjunction with binding and the limited application of heat as preparatory (or mid-session) methods. Cortez, for example, is a capable writer who has written many tales whose principal emphasis is interrogation assisted by electrical torture, but I just never found them that, er, stimulating. In my mind's eye, I like to 'view' thrill-scenes from the point of view of the male villain(s) and enjoy voyeuristic descriptions of the visceral thrill the villain(s) takes in meting out physical punishment to a full-breasted young heroine.
That said, if I had stumbled across Willie's current pictorial sequence "Detained," {on Art Untamed} as a teenager, my response to the entire genre of electrical punishment might have been completely different.
The preliminary scenes are excellent, giving us a tension-building tour of both the grim dungeon and Lorena's delicious body. We meet the wicked colonel and his henchmen - and two attractive - and sadistic - henchwomen, as Lorena begins to disrobe. When one of the colonel's female officers cut through the flimsy fabric of her bra, we find that Willie has outdone himself, having come up with yet another deliciously full-breasted beauty. She is quickly bound, helpless and immobile, to a grim post-bench, well-suited to all manner of tortures, old and new. And we are shown the implements, ancient and modern, from among which the colonel will choose to use on Lorena's spectacular body.
Moments later we learn, somewhat to my disappoint if truth be told, that they will be begin with a magneto, an evil-looking device capable of generating/transmitting electricity.
We - and the henchmen - look on excitedly as Lorena's nearly nude body is sponged down to increase the conductivity of her bare flesh, and the application, by one of the colonel's cruel henchwoman, of serrated, nipple-biting clips to her taut, moistened nipples - an 'impactful' touch that, um, further sparks my interest.
And then, when the current is turned on, we are treated to the image shown above - and at least two subsequent images taken from different angles - of Lorena's luscious young body - and especially her superb breasts - responding to the current raging through her swollen nipples. The muscles tearing at her unforgiving bonds, the erotic arching of her back, the pain-sweat oozing from her every pore.
It's really a masterpiece, hopefully one with more chapters to come. And, while I always say that, and am often disappointed when a story-sequence ends a bit abruptly (to my taste), the next one is almost invariably even better.
