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wulf wrote: Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:23 pm
yyy02 wrote: Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:11 pm
frog wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:37 pm...it just turns repetitive and even boring.
I think I understand your viewpoint.

But it's hard for me to get bored watching a beautiful victim, naked and tied in the manner I like, suffer a variety of tortures. But then, I'm not in the habit of watching the videos from start to finish, either. I usually don't last that long. :P

I really would like it if Alex would just shoot enough so he didn't have to reuse footage. I honestly think he would benefit from a little shorter, "punchier" videos. His newest editor does great with continuity and seems sharp enough to solve that problem. But they need to be given enough raw footage to use.
You are a naughty boy, 02. :mrgreen:
Well, actually, we are likely all naughty, but with age one gets to enjoy several vids in a rather extended process. 😉
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hornythumb wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:03 am
wulf wrote: Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:23 pm
yyy02 wrote: Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:11 pm

I think I understand your viewpoint.

But it's hard for me to get bored watching a beautiful victim, naked and tied in the manner I like, suffer a variety of tortures. But then, I'm not in the habit of watching the videos from start to finish, either. I usually don't last that long. :P

I really would like it if Alex would just shoot enough so he didn't have to reuse footage. I honestly think he would benefit from a little shorter, "punchier" videos. His newest editor does great with continuity and seems sharp enough to solve that problem. But they need to be given enough raw footage to use.
You are a naughty boy, 02. :mrgreen:
Well, actually, we are likely all naughty, but with age one gets to enjoy several vids in a rather extended process. 😉
Quite true. :mrgreen:
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hornythumb wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:03 am...
Well, actually, we are likely all naughty, but with age one gets to enjoy several vids in a rather extended process. 😉
Yes. With modern technology, it's almost like a holodeck within the comfort of our living spaces.

You can go from a Gestapo interrogation scenario to a medieval Inquisition scenario, to a post-apocalyptic torture scenario, literally with a click of a mouse. How convenient. And we can go from pert breasted to ample naturals, to huge beachballs (if that's your thing), again with the click of a mouse.

Who said that? What do you mean I'm jaded as fuck?! :lol:
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yyy02 wrote: Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:11 pm I really would like it if Alex would just shoot enough so he didn't have to reuse footage. I honestly think he would benefit from a little shorter, "punchier" videos. His newest editor does great with continuity and seems sharp enough to solve that problem. But they need to be given enough raw footage to use.
I agree about the short and "punchier" approach. The other problem with this type of production is financial. Unfortunately with the meager resources available there is no way anyone can produce what mainstream producers can. There are scenes in cinema that last less than five minutes but are intense and memorable.
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I agree, CW videos they are becoming a bit boring, especially the repetition, also I would like them to be more ‘’punchier’’and with a more effective approach, more mainstream. Is the same thing that I’m repeating for a long time.
I’ve found the cinematic mainstream approach in Electric City Videos, especially in the last one called Caught In War And Tortured.
I managed to talk to Igor, one of the producers and they had a very tough year. But the good news is that they are releasing new videos soon and also a new custom ordered from me is being filmed. Can’t wait to see their new stuff
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I assume everyone here understands that Alex shoots customs. He doesn't write the scripts. One of us (or someone else) submits one and he tries to find models to do it. I agree, as I watch the caps posted here, that some are extremely repetitive. But skim through the caps for my customs on Crux Forums
https://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/p ... orld.9999/
(Assassin Captured, Private Order, The Bet, Present from an Old Friend, Kidnapped and more), and you'll find a wide range of nastier and more differentiated material. In more recent ones I've managed to get English captions included to help tell the story. Yes, I suppose they are repetitive, since most include frontal whipping, some burning, some pliers, some stripping and lots of electro torture of breasts and pussy. But in each there is a situation described and acted by the model beyond just standing in the same bondage position. Alex (and Cry or Arina or Tay) are capable of doing some pretty amazing work when the script calls for it.

I know Frog likes electric city, and I have bought several of their videos. They are cruel, have some hot models and they do stretch the limits a bit. However, they combine poor production values (at least in their earlier stuff) and a "cinematic" approach (which I guess means fuzzy and poorly lit). Worst of all, they are so repetitive--even reusing the same footage in multiple videos--that I have usually felt a bit cheated. Get one or two and you pretty much have them all. I'm glad to hear that Frog will be working up a custom with them, and I might buy it if it looked in some way different.

Alex shoots with 3 or 4 cameras, so the action can be seen from multiple angles. And yes, when there are a couple angles of the same nice torture/response, the editor will include them in the final product. I suppose he could require that each scene appear from only one angle in the final video, so only the person who ordered the custom could see all the angles of the best shots. I agree that there are slow parts where Alex is "acting". He's not Francis Ford Coppola or Robert Altman, so pacing is not necessarily a strength, but go back and watch HOM or ZFX or Paingate/Whipped Women, even PD's stuff, and you can make the same complaints. The point is that short of a big-budget "Poor Cecily", the best of Cruel World is pretty damned good at delivering what the custom orderer imagined. To see Cry, tied AOH and spread wide open with whip marks and damage from pliers on her nude body, pumping her pussy and rolling her breasts under pulsing electric shocks, and to be able to own it for $20, is a dream for someone who's been seeking BDSM gold since the early 70's.
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petelobo wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:19 am...Alex shoots with 3 or 4 cameras, so the action can be seen from multiple angles. And yes, when there are a couple angles of the same nice torture/response, the editor will include them in the final product. I suppose he could require that each scene appear from only one angle in the final video, so only the person who ordered the custom could see all the angles of the best shots. I agree that there are slow parts where Alex is "acting". He's not Francis Ford Coppola or Robert Altman, so pacing is not necessarily a strength, but go back and watch HOM or ZFX or Paingate/Whipped Women, even PD's stuff, and you can make the same complaints. The point is that short of a big-budget "Poor Cecily", the best of Cruel World is pretty damned good at delivering what the custom orderer imagined. To see Cry, tied AOH and spread wide open with whip marks and damage from pliers on her nude body, pumping her pussy and rolling her breasts under pulsing electric shocks, and to be able to own it for $20, is a dream for someone who's been seeking BDSM gold since the early 70's.
Agreed.

But we are getting into a different area entirely when we talk "cinema" vs. video clips. Even the most minimally budgeted "films" cost tens of thousands of dollars. Ask Margot.

For one, the prices for said customs are about a third of what they would cost in the U.S. I'm approximating, based on charges for CW, and estimates in the U.S.
If the U.S. actresses would even do them.
And so we bitch about stuff like putting the clamps directly on the nipples...

I personally have quite a few of the CW library, and some of the EC titles. IMO there is little comparison, and for that I'm grateful. Two very different styles/looks, giving us a variety of stuff to choose from. Even in the EC stuff there is repetition.

If I am correct, in the much loved HOM short films, there was a single camera shooting each scene. JB moved the camera for different angles and rarely (if ever) reused footage. Hence there was more perceived "variety" to the films.
But John Blakemore had a degree in Film, so he knew what had to be done to get maximum bang for his buck (Stay in school kids!).
I doubt that there was much "left on the cutting room floor" when his projects finished. I think he said as much in his interview.

And AFAIK, Alex doesn't charge anything for lighting/filming his projects, let alone the editing, saving the charges for his actresses. And again AFAIK, he put a good percentage of whatever profits are generated back into his enterprise.
Just look at stuff like remodeling/modifying his sets. And buying newer cameras. You guys think that stuff like that happens for free?!
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yyy02 wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:29 pm
petelobo wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:19 am...Alex shoots with 3 or 4 cameras, so the action can be seen from multiple angles. And yes, when there are a couple angles of the same nice torture/response, the editor will include them in the final product. I suppose he could require that each scene appear from only one angle in the final video, so only the person who ordered the custom could see all the angles of the best shots. I agree that there are slow parts where Alex is "acting". He's not Francis Ford Coppola or Robert Altman, so pacing is not necessarily a strength, but go back and watch HOM or ZFX or Paingate/Whipped Women, even PD's stuff, and you can make the same complaints. The point is that short of a big-budget "Poor Cecily", the best of Cruel World is pretty damned good at delivering what the custom orderer imagined. To see Cry, tied AOH and spread wide open with whip marks and damage from pliers on her nude body, pumping her pussy and rolling her breasts under pulsing electric shocks, and to be able to own it for $20, is a dream for someone who's been seeking BDSM gold since the early 70's.
Agreed.

But we are getting into a different area entirely when we talk "cinema" vs. video clips. Even the most minimally budgeted "films" cost tens of thousands of dollars. Ask Margot.

For one, the prices for said customs are about a third of what they would cost in the U.S. I'm approximating, based on charges for CW, and estimates in the U.S.
If the U.S. actresses would even do them.
And so we bitch about stuff like putting the clamps directly on the nipples...

I personally have quite a few of the CW library, and some of the EC titles. IMO there is little comparison, and for that I'm grateful. Two very different styles/looks, giving us a variety of stuff to choose from. Even in the EC stuff there is repetition.

If I am correct, in the much loved HOM short films, there was a single camera shooting each scene. JB moved the camera for different angles and rarely (if ever) reused footage. Hence there was more perceived "variety" to the films.
But John Blakemore had a degree in Film, so he knew what had to be done to get maximum bang for his buck (Stay in school kids!).
I doubt that there was much "left on the cutting room floor" when his projects finished. I think he said as much in his interview.

And AFAIK, Alex doesn't charge anything for lighting/filming his projects, let alone the editing, saving the charges for his actresses. And again AFAIK, he put a good percentage of whatever profits are generated back into his enterprise.
Just look at stuff like remodeling/modifying his sets. And buying newer cameras. You guys think that stuff like that happens for free?!
Well said, my friend.
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yyy02 wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:29 pm
And AFAIK, Alex doesn't charge anything for lighting/filming his projects, let alone the editing, saving the charges for his actresses. And again AFAIK, he put a good percentage of whatever profits are generated back into his enterprise.
Just look at stuff like remodeling/modifying his sets. And buying newer cameras. You guys think that stuff like that happens for free?!
I can agree that my money goes to the actors only, and if I cast Alex, he works for free. In my early Dr. Squalus films, it was very much a "Cast 2, Get 1 Free" sort of deal, so I put him in my films until I decided to have 3 women instead of just 2.

As for the scripts being repetitive, I did slip into a formula in my scripts because certain scenes worked well given the budget and talent available. Plus, medical isn't something I see a lot of on Clips4Sale or other sites, so I figured it'd get more attention. But I did try to change each script from the middle of the film to the end, just to avoid it becoming stagnant. And the story was a bit ridiculous for comedic effect. I mean, who would really believe that somewhere there's a government university performing Nazi medical experiments on hot young women and then selling their bile as industrial solvents before selling the organs on the black market?

Well, maybe its not so far fetched. https://www.ranker.com/list/organ-cost/april-a-taylor

I can tell that he's added some HD cameras to his quiver of equipment. He's also added more people for post-production. At one point it was just White Rose in front of the camera, her husband behind it, and Alex doing everything else. CW added Teresa as both actor and editor, and they seem to have added a couple other people as well.

I can definitely tell that he's added more toys to play with in front of the camera, including a couple of different racks, some frames, the arch, and (shameless plug) a cross that he can use in his indoor basement stage until the Moscow weather improves and he can go back to shooting outdoors at his patio cross stage and backyard cross stage.

I'm attaching pictures to show the different stages he has used. Right now, only the basement cell set is being used.
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Three things that Cruel World avoids that I think we should be thankful for:
1) Vibrators,
2) Shoes on GIMPs,
3) Watermarks on their videos.

Here's a new addition; knives for slicing flesh (instead of clothing)...
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CruelPunishment175, at the very end.
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yyy02 wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 6:54 pm Three things that Cruel World avoids that I think we should be thankful for:
1) Vibrators,
2) Shoes on GIMPs,
3) Watermarks on their videos.

Here's a new addition; knives for slicing flesh (instead of clothing)...

CP175_20.55slice.jpg

CruelPunishment175, at the very end.
Yes indeed. He's doing torture videos, and very well I might add, instead of porn with some standard commercial bondage thrown in and a blow job. :roll:
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yyy02 wrote: Tue May 07, 2024 6:54 pm Three things that Cruel World avoids that I think we should be thankful for:
1) Vibrators,
2) Shoes on GIMPs,
3) Watermarks on their videos.

Here's a new addition; knives for slicing flesh (instead of clothing)...

CP175_20.55slice.jpg

CruelPunishment175, at the very end.
I try to write new ideas for customs. Coming up is a story about a celebrity chef who cooks human flesh as a gourmet meal for rich guests. The victim will be crucified upside down and her blood drained out of her neck. Also on deck is Anna Luna crucified outdoors as a sacrifice to the gods of Spring. I haven't paid for these yet so they aren't on the calendar because I'm waiting for model availability (and warm weather in Moscow so that it can be filmed on Alex's outdoors cross).

But what I am doing is filming a series of contests based on a Milgram experiment idea. I'm taking Dr. Stanley Milgram's fake experiment, replacing electricity with spanking and salt water, and testing the women to see if fear and pain can improve mental performance. I was inspired by the "Milgram Experiment" videos of Elite Pain/Mood Pictures and tested some modifications to make it more palatable for Cruel World models. Instead of severe whipping and caning, which IMO Cruel World fakes poorly, Dr. Squalus wields a leather paddle and actually spanks the models. It hurts, the skin turns pink, but there is no lasting damage.

The first four women played it like a fun college sorority game, which surprised me but it was fun to watch them tease each other. So far I've tested Wahlberg, Cry/Petra, Anna Luna, Teresa, and Marie in this way. There is no acting - what's on the screen is real. The women are actually in pain. The most dramatic and emotional has been Anna Luna, who's reaction to the punishment scared the daylights out of me! Anna Luna flipped the script on me and what started out as a fun game quickly turned into watching torture. She's a screamer! But she finished the test and later admitted that she enjoyed it. She quickly agreed to test again.

My first CW Milgram video was semi-scripted, but after it was finished I realized that 10 pairs of words was too short, so I changed it to 15, and then to 20. I've also changed the punishment schedule to make success attainable, but difficult. Right now Wahlberg has the lead with 3 mistakes out of 20 pairs. Not bad! Cry/Petra and Marie are set to be tested in 2 weeks, when Petra returns to Moscow.

Anna Luna completed her second test last week, along with Teresa. They both showed improvement in their memory skills. They both suffered for their mistakes again. Those are posted on the Cruel World sites. The best ones are Wahlberg and Anna Luna. Wahlberg is fun, and Anna Luna suffers.

Here are the links for Wahlberg:
Third test:
https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/12819 ... t-5-part-1

For some reason, Alex hasn't released Wahlberg's second test.

Here are the links for Anna Luna.
First test:
https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/12819 ... t-5-part-2

https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/12819 ... t-5-part-3

Second test:
https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/12819 ... t-6-part-1

I will warn you that you might find Anna Luna's first test disturbing.

I will also warn you that watching both of Anna Luna's tests will make any of the fake stuff less thrilling. :)
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