Introducing Graias VIP Club: Let's make it EXTREMELY real!

[Floor13]

The women must be restrained.
That is just about my only necessity.
BDSM without restraint doesn't work for me (either watching, giving, or receiving).

Oh... Also, if a gag is used, it must be fully in her mouth. She must not be able to simply push it out at any time for a break in filming.

I think the problem is not whether to be restrained or not, it more like how much movement you're ok with in a BDSM scene. I personally enjoy minimal restrains, and I have a couple of reasons for that:

first it's very easy and therefore realistic - you could literally turn a girl into a defenseless slave in a few minutes.
secondly, it allows for much more pain endurance (longer scenes) and lastly, it enable us to portray just how painful the punishment is. (shaking, kicking and dodging are our body's go-to response to physical pain while marks appear and screams sound differently for each person)

So in our wild fantasies we all want to restrain the slave in the ideal position but in real world where things happen with consent, that's hard to achieve.

I am the opposite and so is my partner. We are both female switches (although she is generally more often sub than me). The strict restraint is vital for me to take punishment and receive pleasure, especially I need stress positions for my arms or shoulders. With some of the electro and flogging that I put my partner through, she would injure herself if the restraints are too loose. When unable to move, the risk to joints is removed... Also the psychological effect of being unable to resist pain or pleasure.

[theroughman]

I think its better if we don't think about any recommendations or suggestions by females for the new VIP Club. Its simply not helpful for this special project. The girls are often submissive by nature (what we not want here) , switching and acting as "dome" (which is not the real sadistic male point of view) and so on.
Its interesting to hear what they feel if punished, what is painful and what's not and no offense, girls. But "technically" it's better if men create this club.

[Yanni]

I think its better if we don't think about any recommendations or suggestions by females for the new VIP Club. Its simply not helpful for this special project. The girls are often submissive by nature (what we not want here) , switching and acting as "dome" (which is not the real sadistic male point of view) and so on.
Its interesting to hear what they feel if punished, what is painful and what's not and no offense, girls. But "technically" it's better if men create this club.

Sorry guy but I'm not a fan of some of your suggestions here. You want tied up sex, go watch sexually broken, bound gangbangs, facial abuse, assylum, etc etc etc.

Floor 13 is completely correct about strict restraint where the sub is barely able to move. I'm a guy does that make it allowable now? Or is this some kind of LARPing I'm unaware of...

[Floor13]

I think its better if we don't think about any recommendations or suggestions by females for the new VIP Club. Its simply not helpful for this special project. The girls are often submissive by nature (what we not want here) , switching and acting as "dome" (which is not the real sadistic male point of view) and so on.
Its interesting to hear what they feel if punished, what is painful and what's not and no offense, girls. But "technically" it's better if men create this club.

I originally typed:
"As a big manly man, don't you have some little kiddies to go and fuck?

I'm sorry that my desire to see hot women restrained and tortured isn't masculine enough for you. You could always just fuck off."

But then I thought better of it and just laughed at your last line instead. That's some seriously funny shit.

[theroughman]

I think its better if we don't think about any recommendations or suggestions by females for the new VIP Club. Its simply not helpful for this special project. The girls are often submissive by nature (what we not want here) , switching and acting as "dome" (which is not the real sadistic male point of view) and so on.
Its interesting to hear what they feel if punished, what is painful and what's not and no offense, girls. But "technically" it's better if men create this club.

Sorry guy but I'm not a fan of some of your suggestions here. You want tied up sex, go watch sexually broken, bound gangbangs, facial abuse, assylum, etc etc etc.

Nope..., i suggest whipping, caning, paddling, slapping, squeezing and all others kinds of beating and torture as the main action. I suggest sexual torture only additionally to make the whole scene more "real life" realistic.

[theroughman]

...and i would be also happy if graias would only do spanking and torture in the VIP club and do no sexual torture. And create another channel specialized in sexual torture....

[Graias]

So as I understood what @theroughman says is to keep things real. And yes in a "genuine" BDSM club, you have objects (previously called women), and no men would spare a free hole of an object while it's tied up begging for mercy, let alone allowing an object to decide when or how things should happen to it.

But hey, real shit is not sexually arousing for a lot of people. Even some of those who say they'd prefer extreme BDSM content, have drawn a red line on some type of scenes. And that's a thing that I'd like to know your comments on.

imagine it's a war movie where you have two options: you could make it like a perfect copy of real war, OR you could add some unrealistic story line to it. The thing is, in both options you could add intensity and cruelty of war. but the second option is to "also" include things that doesn't happen in real world.

In a real war, there is no brave and skillful soldier that last more than a couple of hours in the front line. There is no "ghost of Ukraine" that dominates the sky single-handedly. and so on. The question is would you pay to watch a movie with no story line, no hero, just gore and blood for 2 hours? Many wouldn't. Even popular slash movies like Saw, when lost their story line, their "extreme fans" became uninterested in following the sequence.

Using this analogy in our case, in the BDSM club, while we can include extreme content, the question that Graias VIP members should answer is to what extent they prefer for things to be real. And as @theroughman and I previously mentioned, if you capture a girl in your basement for personal use (not that I've ever done this ) you won't take 2 hours just to make her bondage "look" good, or even give a fuck whether she "feels" restrained enough. You go with the minimums on her to achieve your maximum pleasure. Therefore, that's what we (as two VIP member) prefer to see in future videos. but of course, others have different opinions.

Disclaimer:
please don't confuse my opinions with what Graias will do. If you think otherwise drop a comment here and let me know what you like. Although these kind of discussions belong to our private group chat but since that's not ready yet, everyone is welcome to share their opinion in this thread.

[Lashher]

I agree with Floor 13..string her up tight and lay on the lash. NO sex, dikdos, vibrators, etc

[Stev]

I would like to share a few general thoughts with you.

I think, if this club is to be successful, you need to get down to the lowest common denominator. That sounds negative, but it is not. Let's take the topic of sex, for example. Some find the idea of mixing sex and BDSM attractive. I assume that this is not the majority. For others, it's a no-go. From that point of view, it would be wise not to include such scenes. Without those scenes, some may not have that particular fantasy fulfilled, but can still get pleasure from the film. With these scenes, you lose some of the viewership. When the club eventually gets big enough, you can make special short clips in addition to the actual movies that also fulfill the desires of a smaller portion of the community. After all, when the club is big enough, that part is also big enough that it's worth producing especially for them. The rest of the club will ignore such short clips.

So I think it's wise to start without content that is too specific, but that everyone can agree on. Then you can build on that.

One more thought about the Graias subscription model. I have written before that I see some basic weaknesses in a subscription model. Some/many will take advantage of the subscription in such a way that they sign up for a month, then download as many clips as possible, and then cancel again to repeat the game a few months later. Even if one does it this way every other month, he saves 50%. One way to prevent that is to produce such good content that customers can't wait (or don't want to cancel). This is not easy. Or by offering advantages to existing customers. One such advantage could be that the subscription becomes cheaper from month to month. After half a year, for example, it could cost only half as much and then remain at this level. When the customer has reached the point where he has "earned" this discount, he will consider giving up this advantage by canceling, because he won't get it back anytime soon. You could also consider other ways to reward longer customers.

Just my two cents on this...

[Graias]

I agree with Floor 13..string her up tight and lay on the lash. NO sex, dikdos, vibrators, etc

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Thanks for including an image! I'm not sure if i understood what Floor 13 says but that position in that picture is not the highest level of restrain. I can think of adding a metal neck holder to better match your desire. This way should feel being suffocated if she doesn't hold her body with hands and feet.