I am not a big TV fan but have watched a few episode of " Criminal Minds " and on that program it seems to me to be skirting that hemline very very close and this is prime time stuff, so where the balance as I think by sheer innuendo alone that series speaks volumes, and totally rocks. Anyway it about time they came out with a decent "inquisition" film as we all know and love.

Anyway spoke my piece so bring it on, lets see this work that those who make believe strongly in as after all if they did not they would not be in it for any reason at all...............nuff said

It was the 4th or 5th time I saw an Ulli Lommel movie and found it to be garbage. He did some nice gimp stuff in 2 early 80's movies (Devonsville Terror and Boogeyman) but everything else I've seen from him is bad like Zebub movies are bad.

Forensic evidence found that dingoes really did eat the baby. What the mom was doing with such a young child in such a dangerous place is another story.

Margot: My goodness, that was your best update ever! Well worth waiting for and a real pleasure to read. Jane is a very brave young woman to go through with the roasting scene, but then I already knew that. She's a courageous actress and it shows in the performances she gives and the risks she takes to make a good movie. And from your post tonight and in previous contacts with you and Jane, I know this production is going to be something special. I'm just glad I could be a small part of it. Keep up the excellent work and as always, looking forward to hearing more updates. Especially when it comes time to burn Jane at the stake (evil laugh)

I'm glad to hear you liked the looong post. I don't have a lot to say today, but I'm sure I'll have plenty to say in the next few days. We're taking a little break today, we'll go easy on the girls this afternoon. We'll be taking pictures for the poster. Jane has a great idea already and now we're brainstorming for the title. We hope to have the official title this week. We still have to complete the roasting, more tortures, the plot part of the movie, all the events that lead to the girl's ordeals, etc.

We'll get to the burning at the stake and Francisca's (Mila) execution sometime soon.

Fritz wrote

Margot: Astounding update on Santo Oficio! Love the preview shots… and the shooting diary provides a first rate overview for those of us who are following your progress with ever increasing antici… pation. And then I read the shocking news…

Over at Crux Foundation you posted that the BBIM's expected release date is March of next year. My god! That's five months away! Just because you are making a film with industry-level production values doesn't mean you get the luxury of an industry-level production schedule. You must realize your customers expect you and your team to complete post and have a finished movie ready for download no more than a week after shooting wraps.

What? You say that's not possible? That a quality production takes time? Clearly your company is under-staffed and unionized. I hereby volunteer the scab services of all the members of this board to help you get the job done fast. You should see the amazing things Ralphus can do with Final Cut Pro.

Really? March? (whimper).

Dude, patience has its rewards. Filmmaking is not a democracy, it's a dictatorship and the big head, JJ, controls us all, including the union of inquisitors, torturers and film crews. We're all his bitches in this production. The cast, however, have a special place in his heart. Wink wink.

March is an estimated time for the release of the movie, but we're all so anxious to see it that we might, just might, stage a coup after we wrap up and rush the post to please ya'll.

The only problem is that we won't know what to do with the footage, JJ holds the key.

By the way, our vod store is up in biz again. We're renting and selling downloads again.

https://redfeline.com/vod

Our new production "Fantom" is this (making a traditional hand sign) close to be released. Oh, it's so different. Two people production, with two people doing everything... We have more than 30 people involved in a production now...

We fell in love with the dungeon, we were supposed to vacate it last weekend, we rented it for another month, just in case... and Jane and JJ decided to keep it, actually keep it for all next year, to have fun, fun, fun in there.

Should I predict more naughty productions coming our way? Big productions?

The question in our minds these days is: Are the quick, three people cast & crew productions over?, are we becoming a big (for our standars) studio?

We'll find out soon enough.

Margot

Margot - again, what a wonderful update - and so nice to have natural, unenhanced ladies in what seems to a be a quality effort.

John Galt and Eda - I should have known our two literary luminaries would hammer me on haiku - but I'll give it a shot.

As she turns and burns

The scent of Jane fills the air

With crispy delight

Mila my Mila

What is to be your demise

Man JJ tell me you're going to hang her so we get some great struggling and kicking as she kicks up her heels and......it would seem I have exceeded my syllable allotment but you get the picture.

Over the Halloween weekend there was the obligatory horror movie film fest on a local channel - up pops Vincent Price in "Tower of London" - an impressionable boy like me saw his first rack scene some fifty years ago as the lovely and gracious Sandra Knight gets the treatment - it's been a long time so I sit down to watch - really a well done scene for the day - as I viewed a question came to mind - which medieval English supermarket was carrying Leggs brand panty hose?

Stay well all

Whipping scenes from turkish movies:

Whipping begins at 2:32
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRl5NSLmxi4

Beginning at minute 6:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqIWX25RAy0

Whipping begins at minute 3:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1GjB_gR3IU

The girl is whipped from the beginning of the clip, but she is tied up from 1:29
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0bd2sa2otw

Girl is tied AOH, and her bellybutton is burned with a cigarette.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a39Ll10xwnE

Girl is tied AOH and menaced with torture using a blowtorch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tFUZT5KvTw

From “Legend of the Seeker”. Girl is chained AOH and tortured
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJIkefhrGVM

So nice to have natural, unenhanced ladies in what seems to a be a quality effort.

Amen, brother.

Matt wrote:

Why nobody's filed a 1st Amendment complaint against them I don't know.

The original comment that I posted in reguards to Matts comment was removed. However, I am going to post a simplified version of it. I think that the reason why no one has bothered to file a 1st Amendment complaint against those ratings boards probably is because it wouldn't do any good. Anyone who wishes to know exactly why I feel this is the reason can ask me via E-mail or just ask our moderator, as he probably already knows why.

THE T DOUBLE G...

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jhlipton: As much as I would like to take credit for the "trotting out the dingoes" line, it was actually Fritz who made that point.

Fritz: BTW, thanks for steering me to the Crux Foundation site. It's an interesting group that tends toward shorter posts and multiple threads. And of course, they are into all things related to crucifixion. It takes awhile to be approved for membership, but as the man once said "It don't cost nothing."

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Margot: I'm really enjoying your BBIM updates...and they get bigger and better each time! The pics are terrific. I especially like the scene with Jane getting whipped, the lighting and the skin moisture are excellent touches. Wait...Jane built the torture rack? She is truly a goddess.

Count me among those disappointed about the release date being 4-5 months away. But anything worth having is worth waiting for.

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Gonzaullas: Thanks much for the latest batch of YouTube links. They were all new to me. My favorites were this one, which started off really fakey with the facial whippings and then turned intense once they tied her up. And I love the way she ended up, buried up to her neck in the sand. Then they throw sand in her face. Very cool, and quite unexpected.

I also really dug the burning scene with the cigar. "Does it hurt?" I would say yes!

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YikYakker: Just to make it unanimous, let me add my official thumbs down to Borderline Cult. I just saw it last week. Poorly done, just a real waste of time with no "good" GIMP material and badly filmed as well. Ulli Lommel, the man who gave us the great modern witchburning saga The Devonsville Terror, seems to have lost his edge big time.

cliff.klimas@bms.com

Here are a couple pictures from projects I have been working on.

Kay Knocked Out
Tessa Bloody

As far as recent projects that might be of interest, check out:

What She Knows
Starring Andrea

Here is a PREVIEW

You can BUY it HERE

You also might like this one. It has a suspension.

Tasty Teenager
Starring Hunter

Here is a PREVIEW

You can BUY it HERE

Finally, over at my Dirty Deeds store, there is all kind of great BDSM and Peril specific content like:

The Secretary
Starring Tessa

Here is a PREVIEW

You can BUY it HERE

And, several of you have taken advantage of my Alertpay offer. If you want details, email me or check out my forum. With this method, it is easy to purchase movies from me.

Thanks,
JohnM

Then low and behold, at 12:48 I received an e-mail from someone at Dreambook support saying that he had personally contacted the team to make sure it was taken care of as quickly as possible. And at 1:52, Cliff Klimas posted to the board.

So in the span of around 2 hours, we went from having a potentially devastating problem to having it fixed and the site back and up and functioning without hardly missing a beat. That is the biggest example of Dreambook NOT sucking that I've ever seen. It is totally unlike them to not only respond quickly but to actually repair the problem in a timely manner. To say I'm shocked is an understatement. In the past, I've rightfully criticized them for years of poor customer service, but this is one time when they did it right, and they deserve a huge gold star for their efforts.

This has to be a dream, right? Will somebody wake me up, please? And why am I having dreams about a silly website when I could be having dreams about tying up and raping Monica Bellucci?

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Cliff Klimas: Welcome to the GIMP. We're glad to see a new face here, so to speak. What kind of problems are you having with seeing the pics on this forum? Are you saying you can't even see the picture at the top and the different feature buttons? Or is it just the pics in Margot's posts? At any rate, it may have something to do with the settings for your browser. As far as I know, everyone else can see the pictures on the site, right guys?

You also wrote:

For Mila's execution, how about a pendulum scene? Nothing like the psychological torture of watching a sharp, swinging, descending blade and then getting sliced in half! What do you all think?

You know, the TV show "Machines of Malice" did a recreation of the pendulum torture to see if it really worked or whether it was just a fanciful notion in Edgar Allen Poe's imagination. Turns out it really doesn't work, that there's not enough force once the blade hits meat to have it actually saw through a body like that. A nice thought, though.

And here's a little welcoming gift for you:

http://ralphus.net/dailypic2010/anticipation023.jpg

http://ralphus.net/dailypic2010/anticipation025.jpg

http://ralphus.net/dailypic2010/anticipation026.jpg

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I like to indulge in Netflix’s streaming movie feature. The selection is not as great as it is with their mail service, but you can get such GIMP fare as Bloodsucking Freaks and Five Savage Men. Now comes word that Netflix streamers are endangering the internet.

And you folks in the Great White North had better be especially careful.

I’ve often fantasized about causing mayhem, but not like this.

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I’ve always been fascinated with the GIMPish cover artwork of Frank Frazetta. This image made it intact onto the cover of the Italian version of the story. However, the American version took some of the fun out of it.

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Gonzaullas: Thanks for all the YouTube links. I am constanly amazed at how much GIMP material in mainstream movies I haven't seen.

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Cliff Klimas: Welcome to the forum. As for pendulums, I like their use because the terror and struggles of the victim facing certain death are what really turn me on. Unfortunately, pendulums aren't very practical for prolonged torture scenes. The first time I saw this device used in a movie was "The Uncanny." Although the actress (portraying an actress) in the movie wasn't that attractive, she had some good struggling, and then BOOM, it was over.

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Borderline Cult: I wasn't sure what the purpose of that movie was. It wasn't entertaining. It wasn't scary. It wasn't disturbing. It certainly wasn't GIMP-worthy. If the intention was to "make the viewer think," then my thoughts were: What's the purpose of this movie? It looked as if the director took a page from Bill Zebub's movie-making notebook and thought that being artsy-fartsy was a good way to go. Well, it wasn't.

And you folks in the Great White North had better be especially careful.

That's interesting, especially since it's my understanding (second hand) that Netflix doesn't offer nearly as many titles in Canada as what is offered in the U.S.

Now I'm gonna have to start coming up with my own daily pics. Any suggestions? How about women tied down and attacked by bugs? I know Canadian really wants to see that.

No, don't worry, I'll come up with something. I have a whole folder entitled "GIMP-worthy pics"

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JohnM: Another tempting selection of movies to choose from this time, thanks for the update. I may have to narrow down my choices. What She Knows looks like torture-iffic fun, I'm just a little put off by the blood. Still considering it. Do any of your movies have video clips available anywhere? I checked your page on Dark Fetish Network, didn't see one for this film. And I still want to see The Secretary, especially after Max gave us the video preview.

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Margot: Maleficarum, huh? Not even sure how to pronounce that, but I'm glad you found a unique title that should stand out in searches and not be mistaken for any other Inquisition films. Although it's going to be hard to not call it "Big Budget Inquisition Film" (BBIF) anymore.

So I was reading the original synopsis of the film that Jane sent me. When does the rape of Jane's character occur? Is that still waiting to be shot?

Being raped will probably seem like a relief for Jane, compared to having to climb back on the spit and get roasted over hot coals again. So if that scene continues on Friday, when does she go to the stake? Any update on how they're going to pull that off?

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BTW, if anyone is interested in the production, if you check out the Official Facebook Page for the movie, there's a lot more photos than there used to be. Lots of pics of Jane looking cute in her costume, but since this is Facebook, no pictures of her out of her costume. We get those good ones here.

Here's a picture of the whole cast:

Jane is on the far right, Mila is in the center, and JJ is on the far left. But check out that cat with the scary glowing eyes! That's a witch's cat if I ever saw one. It's evil! EVIL!!!

You have all worked so hard and so long on this, the last thing you want to do is rush post. We can wait, I promise you!

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As some may already know, if you visit other forums, like Crux or our site, we have the title for the BBIF. And the title is Maleficarum.

This Male likes the title (and the poster)! Over the gates of GIMP-Hell, "Abandon all clothes, ye who enter here!"

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Sloth: Which medieval English supermarket was carrying Leggs brand panty hose?

I've been doing research and the question really is "which one WASN'T??!!"

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Yik Yakker: Ah, Monica Bellucci. So beautiful, so beat up.

She also beaten, raped and killed in an tunnel/walkway in Irreversable? I think the girl might be one of us!

Margot - I'll ditto jhlipton and say that's a great title for such a production - nice poster concept as well - kudos to JJ - best of all we Gimpers know that even if there is no such scene in the finished film, the content will be better still.

Cliff Klimas - yes, welcome to the forum - like Ralphus I viewed that episode of "Machines of Malice" and regrettably the pendulum really doesn't work - still, very nice for fantasy purposes.

Ralphus - bugs and chicks huh? - cool - perhaps a few leeches thrown in might be a nice touch - our Japanese friends do it frequently but we of the west seem to use that combination sparingly - probably a cultural thing - I do recall seeing leeches used for the first time in an old entry titled "Mr. Sardonicus" - the maid gets leeched twice, once while tied to a chair and again while strung up by her thumbs - thought it quite racy for the era.

Stay well all

I make very few video previews. It is mostly a factor of time because I like to make an actual Hollywood-like trailer, to give my audience a good representation of the movie. One 20sec snippet from one sequence does not do this. Here is something I made real quick:

What She Knows Sample

As you can see, this small snippet is of one of the stylized torture sequences, but does not represent the movie as a whole. I would hate to have a whole project prejudged because of one small snippet--but it is hard to know what people are looking for sometimes.

Thanks,
JohnM

Thanks

The IMDb site that has information about this movie also has a link to a documentary about Filipino flicks of the ‘60s and ‘70s called Machete Maidens. Sounds like it could be a good source of information about sleazy flicks you’ve never seen before.

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Margot: Yes, I like Maleficarum, it’s a great title. Good job!

Of course, if I were an inquisitor, I wouldn't be too concerned about my Latin grammar -- I'd be too busy torturing naked women!

I do recall seeing leeches used for the first time in an old entry titled "Mr. Sardonicus" - the maid gets leeched twice, once while tied to a chair and again while strung up by her thumbs - thought it quite racy for the era.

No need to send me the highlights disc from that one.

Stay well all

Anyway, I’m wondering if anyone has seen the movie and considers it worth pursuing.

A Canadian - so sure was I that you'd covet that disc I sent it out last night by overnight FedEx and am tracking it now......standby......just received notification it has been seized by Canadian Customs - we'll have to make other arrangements.

This may be the one time I applaud the work done by Canada Customs.

Oooh, 6 murders? Sounds yummy. Each should be long and painful, of course, with JJ stroking their quivering bodies as they die an agonizing death. Do I need to say they should be nude? I didn't think so!

Well, at RFPIX all of us ladies are [godesses].

You sure got that right!

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YikYakker: Quite a nice scoop on Savage Sisters...the unknown Cheri Caffaro movie! I've never seen it, and it's one of only 7 movies she made in her career...and now at least 6 of those have bondage scenes! God bless her, she clearly gravitated toward roles like that. Brian's Page says that she's only threatened with torture, so the scene you saw was probably all there was. Still, might be worth a watch if you can find it cheap. Like a lot of her movies, it's not on DVD.

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Margot: Thanks for the latest update. So Jane didn't complete her roasting scene yet...bummer. I was hoping for more vidcaps and more of your behind the scenes observations about Jane's reaction to the scene. Got to be quite a chore now trying to balance two movies at one time. But good things come to those who wait, and since we have no choice but to wait, I'm expecting this to be a very good movie.

Two platforms now, you say? I'm thinking Mila will hang while watching Jane burn. Why else would you need a second platform? But I'll wait and be surprised along with everyone else. I'll miss these updates while you're gone. They're a lot of fun to read, and you really put a lot into them. We appreciate everything you're doing for us, thanks again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia_XUwJ9dbI

Like I said, I would rather take the time and do actual trailers than snippets--I only wish I had time. But, luckily the 15 year solid rep helps. Someone on the forum emailed me based on the 20sec clip below assuming that because the whole movie must be like that part and would not be interested. In fact, just that part was like that. Unfortunately, he would not go into details, just wanted to make a point that he thought I sucked and suggested I did not quit my day job--oops--this IS my day job--and night job---"all work and no play make John a.....". And, that is cool. Telling me what was wrong would have helped. I guess it was not seeing the hits in that sequence and the shaky (stylized) camera--but, again, that was just one part. I hit her with a pipe, sledgehammer and wrench and showed them all. Anyhow, a Gimper ordered this custom and felt it was one of the best he has gotten. Everyone's different I guess.

And, I certainly understand the frustrations when choosing content. 90% of what I personally purchase based on previews--usually stills, are crap. Mostly it is a combination of technical errors and believability. I hate being reminded that I am watching a movie. I hate the break in fantasy. I like to be drawn in. When they go from camera A all sharp and nice and whatever color choice to camera B, all orange and grainy, I think, hey, that is distracting--why didn't they tweak it in post?

With regards to this movie, I don't think you would like it, Ralphus, because the electrocution is not electrodes, but wrapped copper around her. And, because it was a mini custom, shot in 1 hour instead of 4-6 hours, it was very rushed, the copper was not as tight as I would have liked. Still, she did well and it sold well.

Take care,
JohnM

I had to go to the link to check out the web site before realizing it was heroine like a girl and not heroine like the elicit street drug. At first I thought it was another niche fetish that I was not yet aware of.

I had to go to the link to check out the web site before realizing it was heroine like a girl and not heroine like the elicit street drug. At first I thought it was another niche fetish that I was not yet aware of.

Heroin, the drug, is spelled without the "E" at the end. Hence the difference.

But ever since you posted that, I've been thinking about scenarios like that. What does anybody think about drugging victims? I've seen it in movies before. Obviously, injecting someone with drugs wouldn't be my first choice of things to do with a tied up victim, but you have to keep them under control some way.

Anybody ever seen the movie Crazy Six? Yeah, it may be a Rob Lowe movie, but it does have a few GIMP-worthy scenes. One in particular I think is extraordinary. Actress Ivana Milicevic plays a character named Anna who's a former junkie that's trying to go clean. Anyway, the bad guys grab her and whisk her away, and when we see her next, she's tied to a chair and the entire lower half of her face is covered in duct tape, including over her nose. The only opening is filled with a crack pipe. The bad guys drops in a rock of crack and starts to heat it up with a blow torch. Anna panics and manages to blow the rock out of the pipe, which pisses off the bad guy. He gives her a smack across the face which sends the chair toppling, including the unfortunate woman that's still tied to it.

Once she's back upright again, Operation Fuck The Bitch Up continues. The bad guy heats up the crack inside the pipe, and as smoke starts to rise up from the pipe, Anna's eyes widen. She is forced to smoke the crack, and when we see her next, she's weak and clearly stoned out of her mind. She's hooked again.

This scene rings my bell on a number of levels...the attractiveness of the victim, the asphyxia aspect with the duct tape over the mouth and nose, the chair tie (my favorite), the whole forced smoking thing. Plus that, I'm always looking for unusual scenes and I've never seen a mainstream scene quite like this.

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JohnM: Appreciate the honest answer regarding What She Knows. It probably would not have done it for me. A bit too much blood for one thing, and yeah, I'm kind of particular about what I like to see regarding electro scenes. You've shot some great shock scenes in the past but it's not always a easy illusion to pull off. Since you can't really see electricity, a lot of the effectiveness of the scene relies on the actress to give a convincing performance. I'm also spoiled by the subtle shocking special effects that ZFX uses, but that can be overdone too, in the hands of someone who goes overboard with it.

I think you made an excellent point when you mentioned that anything that breaks the fantasy and reminds us that we're watching a movie is a bad thing. It's like switching to split screen in the middle of the scene, which one producer in particular has been criticized for. We don't want to see you direct, we want to see the action onscreen! If your content is good enough, we don't need distractions, just show us the action and let us experience the fantasy.

And I thought that looked like Ice-T as one of the baddies. Sure nuff.

Could there be better proof of the deleterious effects of Gangsta Rap on our society??? Huh?

One of my favorite fantasies involve injecting a girl with a paralysing drug. She can feel EVERYTHING I do to her, she just can't do anything about it!

Buffy the Vampire Slayer did this twice: once in "Doublemeat Palace" and again in "Same Time, Same Place" (both written by Jane Espenson -- hmmmmmmmm....). Orgasmagoria did it in "Office Kill". It's a fun way to torture a girl without worrying about knots or keys.

I think you made an excellent point when you mentioned that anything that breaks the fantasy and reminds us that we're watching a movie is a bad thing.

Absolutely. We shouldn't even need to have this discussion. Maybe getting too caught up in the action is something that's ultimately going to drive up my therapy bills, but let me worry about that. Producers should focus on making the best product possible, and putting in reminders that "it's only a movie" ruins the effect.

Anyhow, a Gimper ordered this custom and felt it was one of the best he has gotten.

Erm… [cough]... That would be me. And John is correct: of the 20 plus custom videos I've purchased, What She Knows is indeed among the best. But understand that by "best" I mean that the finished clip met or exceeded my expectations. It is unlikely to be "best" for anyone who does not share at least some of my particular affectations, and certainly won't be "best" for someone who requires every aspect of a production meet all their personal preferences precisely. The more picky you are about your fetish(es), the more likely you will be disappointed with a custom video, no matter who produces it.

I suspect I am more particular than most custom buyers. Yet I can still be happy with a vid which hits about 80% of what I requested. In this case, John offered his clientele an opportunity to shoot a short, simple clip with a very attractive actress at a significant savings -- what he calls a "mini custom". There were two catches: the shoot would be very brief and the script would have to be of the bare-bones variety. As I had less than a day to submit my outline, that second catch was a given.

Looking back, I think this worked out for several reasons. First, my "script" was about eight point-form features imbedded in a two-sentence plot. This made it easier for John to hit all the notes. Second, John had already produced two customs for me previously, so he had a pretty good idea what I was after, even if it wasn't spelled out in the request. Third, I kept my expectations low -- I knew this would not be a premium one-hour production with lots of detail. Still, it turned out far better than I had expected, which brings me to point four: it was made at a fraction of what I usually spend on a custom, but still had many of the fantasy elements I enjoy. Finally, it was done in a flash -- less than a week from script to finished clip.

So all in all, for me this was a great experience, even though not everything was perfect (it never is). If you've enjoyed other customs made for me (like the two Deadly Interrogation films), there's a good chance you'll like What She Knows. If not, you probably won't.

Ralphus: I have to concur with John. I remember you being less than thrilled with Deadly Interrogation II, so this one probably won't do much for you either. There are far fewer of the sparking effects which bothered you in DI2, but anyone who dislikes blood should steer clear.

What does anybody think about drugging victims?

I suppose that depends on the drug...

• If it renders the girl completely comatose, well, what's the fun in that?
• If it leaves her woozy and unaware of the peril she faces, that tends to reduce the fear factor, which frustrates those of us who thrive on seeing the victim in as much terror as possible.
• If the drug affects her ability to fight back or prevents her from escaping, it often becomes a poor substitute for the strenuous bondage many of us hold dear.
• If it heightens the victim's libido so that she suddenly turns into a pain-slut who enjoys her punishment, well… 'nuff said about that.

In all these cases, I just say no to drugs.

On the other hand…

• If the drug is used as a truth serum to break a captive's resistance to make her talk, that's called using the tools of the trade.
• If it weakens an otherwise powerful heroine and leaves her vulnerable to defeat by a less potent foe, that's good plotting.
• If it heightens a girl's pain threshold, allowing her to endure more agony without passing out, we all get more bang for the buck.
• If the drug actually causes pain itself, or leaves the victim to die a slow, agonizing death, well why not add some variety to spice up the boring old roster of knives, whips and hot irons?

So in other situations, drugs can be a most gratifying supplement to a GIMPer's arsenal.

jhlipton wrote:

One of my favorite fantasies involve injecting a girl with a paralyzing drug. She can feel EVERYTHING I do to her, she just can't do anything about it!

And that's one more great use for drugs. I've never seen a Buffy episode in my life, but fondly remember the 1971 Italian thriller Black Belly of the Tarantula, in which Barbara Bouchet and other gorgeous Eurobabes are injected with paralyzing spider venom before being tortured and killed.

DHT - now I'll have to pull "Red Ridge" out from the archives and watch it again - and the lingerie clad poser chick in the daily pic certainly was on the horns of a dilemma.

Margot - another informative update - and Mila gets hanged in "Barbazul" with the worst yet to come you say - adding that to my shopping cart now - we can only imagine what the twisted brain will come up with for the other lovelies.

Stay well all

This one won't last too much: full nudity, tortures...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFPA_6G0Sk

whipping begins at 6:16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqIWX25RAy0

Wow, Cheri Caffaro did bondage in 6 of the 7 movies she did? That kind of Gimp percentage has got to put her at or near the top of all mainstream actresses. Can anyone else think of an actress that appeared in at least say 5 movies and was tied up in 4 of them? Cheri deserves a Gimp award. Ralphus, have you ever thought about coming up with a GIMP award? Some way of recognizing a great performance or scene? Or maybe you have already done this?

another whipping scene in youtube. I think that I've not posted this one before:
whipping begins at 6:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqIWX25RAy0

Ooops! I see that I had posted the link before, indeed.Sorry!

Maybe a Lifetime Achievement Award would be appropriate.

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URL: Know of anyone who has passed out from too much onscreen GIMPage?

Doesn't do much for me. One exception is when the victim is injected, passes out, and then wakes up tied in a helpless position awaiting torture or rape. The drug can later be used to knock out the victim again and have her tied up in a different position. But as an actual torture implement, there are so many other things that I prefer seeing.

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Margot: Since I'm a gag snob, I'm wondering if there will be any gagging in Maleficarum. I noticed a rope gag (not one of my favorites), but is there anything else, like some medieval device to silence the victims?

BTW, I really liked those pictures of Jane with the drill and the other tools. There's something about a sexy woman building her own torture furniture that really gets my blood pumping.

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Gonzaullas: Torture by rodents? I like it!

Generally, it does not thrill me, but it was handled very nicely in The Wax Mask where the victims were strapped to a mechanical chair and injected with a paralyzing drug to turn them, essentially, into living statues. The victims were awake and aware of the mechanical needle slowly approaching them, aware of their impending doom. Lots of suspense, sweat, tears and torment on display (not to mention flesh).

I, for one, enjoys watching an attractive woman being defiant while being tortured on "the rack". A cruel woman, evil in her own right, directing her masked, sweating interrogator to turn the crank three more notches. Watching her body, drowned in sweat from the heat of a glowing brazier next to the rack, containing different shaped irons and heated tipped needles. The woman's jaw clenched as she tries to hold back screams..another two or three clicks of the rachets, her back slowly arching..sweat dripping off her body onto the rough wood of the rack below her...everything quiet, save for the creaking of the ropes as they tighten and the low moan that escapes from deep within her throat...the Evil woman whispering in her ear to tell her everything, even as the cratchets click again...this would be a wonderful way to start a video scenario.

@ Margot

Your documentation of Maleficarum is most impressive. Will it be in Portuguese?

@ Ralphus

ThanX for picking up "The Secretary".

Good Hunting

MaX

This one won't last too much: full nudity, tortures...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFPA_6G0Sk

Wow, I never thought I'd see that one on YouTube! Last Orgy of the Third Reich, which is how we have it listed in the Whipping Scenes Database, aka The Gestapo's Last Orgy, clever disguised on YouTube as "T.G.L.O." to avoid detection. Amazingly, it's worked; it's been viewed nearly 10,000 times already.

That movie is quite special for me; it was one of the first (and best) mainstream scenes I ever collected, on my very first compilation tape from the mid-1980s. The film is full of great tortures, 2 of which are shown in this 10-minute clip, one featuring the blonde chick hung naked upside-down over "rats" (really, just gerbils) and the later suspension over the quicklime pit (the blonde survives, her friend is not so lucky).

Seeing that movie as an impressionable young man was quite a watershed moment for me. I mean, nude upside-down suspension? I had never seen that before. That was about as good as it got for me. How I would love to be young again and experience a magic movie moment like that again for the first time...*sigh*

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Dangerous Dave wrote:

Wow, Cheri Caffaro did bondage in 6 of the 7 movies she did?

Well, not quite. She made 7 movies, and at least 6 had bondage in them. In one of them (Too Hot To Handle), she was the one doing the tying, to an older woman, first giving her a mud facial and then torturing her with electric shock. In Savage Sisters, she was apparently only held down to be tortured, although she was handcuffed earlier, according to Brian's Page. Brian's Page officially credits her with 5 movies where she's tied up. Still 5 out of 7, plus the other film in the dominant role, that's quite impressive.

I agree, Hall of Famer for sure. Maybe if we honor her on the forum, it will inspire her to come post here. Google says she's still living in LA, and apparently you can access her information fairly easily. I wonder if she would agree to an interview? That would be quite a scoop, huh?

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Brutus wrote:

Since I'm a gag snob, I'm wondering if there will be any gagging in Maleficarum. I noticed a rope gag (not one of my favorites), but is there anything else, like some medieval device to silence the victims?

I know you asked Margot, but since she won't likely be here for a couple weeks, here's my take. I love gags, too, but I'm not really sure they're appropriate for an Inquisition setting. You seldom see them in medieval scenes and the reason is probably because the whole idea is to get them to confess to something, and they can't do that when they're gagged.

The rope gag was my idea with the roasting scene, although I also suggested the traditional apple gag, with a twist, a strap of some sorts over top of it and cinching it over her mouth and strapping it in behind the neck. We nixed that idea, mainly because the roasting wasn't meant to personify Jane as food, like a pig being roasted, but instead more as a torture device, which is how it's going to be in the movie.

Still, I wanted to see the helpless look of a strap or a rope through the victim's mouth, which is why we went with the rope gag through the mouth. It's something you can still talk through (and better, scream and cough through!) and it also adds a bit to the imagery. That will probably be the only gag in the movie, though. As much as I like gags, we'll probably be hearing a lot of screaming that will be unimpeded by any such device over the mouth.

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John Galt: This post is already way too long, but thanks for your latest Powershotz review. Regarding the dialogue that was left in, I can't agree more. I know these things are edited quickly for a quick turnaround, but didn't we just mention distracting things that break the fantasy can ruin the effectiveness of a movie? In this case it dropped your grade from a B to a C+. You also said you liked the split screen; but to me that announces loud and clear that "Hey, this is a movie! Watch me show off with my fancy special digital tricks where you can see both angles at once!" And two-thirds of this scene is like that? You're a far more generous grader than I would be, I can tell you that.

The direct link to your review is in my Homepage URL above.

As an example, I'm not so much disappointed with Webcam Massacre as I think I would like it much much more if certain things were changed (more sex before death, more moaning, more obvious pain, etc). It's still a great video and is one of my favorites, but every time I watch I can't help thinking, "If only...".

YikYakker - yeah, done in the context of "Wax Mask" the drug thing worked nicely - means to an end thing going on.

John Galt - good to see you back in the review business - keep up the fine work.

Dangerous Dave - speaking of Cheri Caffaro I was viewing "The Abductors" the other day and noticed something that had eluded me for all these years - the facial resemblance shared by Cheri and Gerie Bronson makes me think they may be siblings - then tack on first names so similar - just a bit of Gimp trivia in the making perhaps.

Ralphus - if you made an interview with the somewhat reclusive Blakemore a reality surely Caffaro should be a piece of cake - what a Gimp coup that would be.

Stay well all

Unfortunately, the customs customer for that movie does not like sex scenes to be included in his versions. Cost and time would have prohibited it anyhow. This production was over 5k....adding hardcore sex would have broke the bank. :-) Just the food bill was $400. Luckily it was BYOB.

Customs are a big part of what I do (most of them start at $275-600--not 5k), so the end product gets specific. I try to create a versatile product, however, to cover many fetish aspects. It is a sometimes a double edged sword. When I make something very specific, I am catering to only one niche. Some fetish niches are so hard to please, that I run the risk of only pleasing one portion of them. Take belly stabbing fetish. Stab her 1 inch down and to the right---no, stab her in the belly button, no--stab her 1 inch down from the belly button, etc. Each person may or may not buy because it does not hit their exact bent.

That is why, even in customs, I tend to incorporate the customers main fetish element, but also as many sub fetish elements as I can. With Webcam, there were many--just not sex. But, it covered a good range regardless and ultimately, sold very well.

I think, for the most part, I am marketing to the crowd that allows for other fetishes, that understands I am trying to cover what they like, but others as well. This is a small market, so in order to survive, I have to cover the largest range as possible, while still staying within specific fetish categories. It is sometimes difficult to understand, but after 15 years, I am better then I was 15 years ago. :-)

With regards to Gimp. I am not entering the Gimp market. I have been producing for a long time. Several gimpers invited me to share what I have because, like many movies you post reviews and previews of, certain aspects of my movies have gimp elements that, to some, may be attractive to you. As I hang out here, I get new ideas. And, I have a couple regular gimpers that are my custom customers, so I do work that, while ultimately meant for death fetishist, have elements, sometimes strong elements, of gimp material. Hopefully, over time, I will have things that some of you will like.

It probably helps that I personally enjoy it. Both from the fetish standpoint and from the production/creative standpoint. I was looking at what Jane has been doing and just drooling. We have the room now to do fantastic set pieces. One day, I hope we get help doing larger projects. There are so many things I would like to do in our new studio, torture and death and well as the verticality to cross genres.

JohnM

The movie will be done in Spanish with (I have been told) Jane speaking some English. She plays an Anglo caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Baron von Folter

Ralphus - if you made an interview with the somewhat reclusive Blakemore a reality surely Caffaro should be a piece of cake - what a Gimp coup that would be.

I agree. I would love to see this happen. At one time, I thought she was on Facebook or one of those social network sites, but I couldn't find anything -- meaning she was either there and disappeared, I didn't search properly, or she was never there and my memory is just getting more wonky. All I found was this one picture.

Perhaps we need to take up a collection to track her down. If the interview ever does happen, I will certainly provide some questions to our tireless interviewer.

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John Galt: Thanks for the surprising text-only review of Tory... Ass Rodded and Throated. I don't think it's quite my thing, and that interruption in the film only makes it worse. But, as always, the review was a fun read.

I was looking at what Jane has been doing and just drooling.

That's interesting. I figured you'd done just about everything under the sun by now. Are you referring to the spit roasting scene? Because when Jane and I were discussing how to tie her to the spit for that sequence, I sent her several artworks, photos and a few video clips that showed her examples of what I wanted to see and the right and wrong ways to do it. I told her the best roasting scene I'd seen put on film was a film called The Ranch that Rue Morgue did...and weren't you part of that company back then?

Anyway, we patterned the design of the spit after yours, and I told her I wanted her tied in the same manner, with several ropes supporting her body, except that her arms should be tied over her head. So basically, The Ranch was the main inspiration for the spit-roasting scene in Malificarum.

Of course, yours was a simulation, probably a composite of 2 shots, the girl tied to the spit and the fire down below. Obviously, with a fire that big, you couldn't safely roast a woman any other way. It's a good illusion, but the problem is when you would cut to anything other than the long shot, it was easy to tell there was no fire down below her. There was also no smoke, which was another giveaway clue.

I also showed Jane the Insex clip "Turkeys". That was our other inspiration, since it proved that a woman could be safely spit-roasted in real life. There was an actual fire in that, although the flames were very low and it was mostly just a lot of smoke, which was a good thing. But there were things I didn't like about the Insex clip, the first being that the victim had a butch haircut and a huge tattoo, and secondly the consensual attitude (the girl on the spit was calling the shots, telling them when to turn her).

I told Jane that the key to making it work was that there needed to be lots of smoke, otherwise it would be hard to convey that she was really up there feeling the heat and literally roasting. I wanted it to be real like the Insex one, but look more conceptually like The Ranch. Like everyone else, I'll have to wait and see how well the filmmakers pull it off.

I have done a lot of scenarios. But, back in my Ruemorgue days, the two avenues where we got real creative and did expansive productions were our "girl hunt" videos.

Hank and I piddled along for a while, shooting in hotel rooms, doing the basics, but about a year into our partnership, he got some property up in the San Juan Islands, which is up in Northern Washington State. He was excited and so was I--though not as much--at the time, neither of us were making any money---and would not for a couple more years. Also, I was not excited about the 7-8 hours it would take me to travel there.

The first year or 2, Hank, mostly without my help, shot some simple girl hunt/roasting movies. No special effects. He had built his split---he could weld very well and he liked to make things. Years later he made a nearly full scale guillotine (it was used once before the rainy weather killed it), but I digress.

Anyhow, I was advancing in my editing skills---I did 100% of the editing at the time...started from Camera to VCR, then Computer with a title generator and transition interface, then finally invested in a Mac system and Final Cut software. I quickly learned compositing effects, so when we got the script for "The Ranch" we jumped on it.

It was a big project for us. One good actress and several actors. We needed to stage a stalking scene in a grocery store, then an abduction in a parking lot (all in public). Keep in mind, Hank was a new part time resident on this tiny island where everyone knew each other--or at least thought they did.

Back on the property, we did a simulated rape scene. I remember one thing about Janice--she could scream. Finally, we were ready to do the roasting. Actually, before that, we did a fake enema scene. She sat over a bucket with a tube--well, you get the image--the sound effects made it all work. :-) Then, on a table, we shaved her pussy---part of the script.

The big mistake at that point was how we put her on the rack. We used straps and tape. It did not look good in my opinion and covered areas I would rather have left visible. Then, we carried her out, set her on the spit and started turning her.

This was my first time, and--I got much better later, but for this time, I had one camera set up for the composite shot and I hand held the other, trying to always shoot up and avoid where the fire would be. At the time, I did not think about the reflection and heat because, well, the whole project was being done for very little and except for the model, everyone was working for free--we were all just winging it.

So, this was unique in that it was a live roasting and I think the only one we ever shot that way. All the others, the girl was already dead--usually with a split gut.

So, we told her to scream and scream she did. She screamed so loud and for so long---my ears are ringing thinking about it. And we roasted her for a long time. Hank would rub oil and soot on her as the scene progressed. I was mostly concerned with getting the shots and making sure the composite camera did not get bumped, that the light did not change that much, and that Hank and Gary did not step through the composite space. All that, and I still was trying to get handheld shots that would mesh with the digital footage. And, I had no idea at the time how it would come across.

Back home, I edited it together, added fire and was happy. Happy because, I had added fire under the girl--digitally and that was exciting.

Sometime during a re-edit, after I learned more, I added a masked glow over her body and made the area below her wave slightly to imply heat. I could not add smoke because, I felt it would look weird to add smoke in the composite shots when the hand held shots did not have it. And, I could not add smoke to the hand held shots because the smoke composite would not mesh with the movement of the camera and at the time motion tracking was not an option. Even today, it would be very hard to do.

So, how would I do it today? I would (and we later did do this), add glowing lights under her. Today, I would figure out a way to cause those lights to flicker as well. This would add the proper reflection to her skin to tie unto the fire. Next, the other shots would not be with a handheld, but on a jib. A jib would allow trackable movement so I would be able to put flame tips and licks into the scene on those shots. And, if I had the budget I would have the smoke added live as I was shooting those shots and they would mesh with the digital shots where I can now add realistic smoke.

All in all, for the first time, it was a great experiment and experience. And, we had done something heads above any other fetish producer and continued to do larger things like that. Even recently, Hank continues to do these big projects.

Today, I am chaining a girl, spread eagle---she is a prisoner of war. Already beaten and raped, this will be the scene where we light a fire in a small stand, directly under her pussy. Full effects and gore, tons of blood curtailing screams---this was be my most disturbing project in days. :-)

JohnM

I reviewed that film for the board a long time ago, and so did my friend AvF (His review, better than mine, is here). I went back and took a look at what we wrote. We both praised the roasting scene and both had mixed opinions about other aspects of the film. I said I didn't think the girl's acting was too convincing and bordered on annoying. AvF said the ad-libbed script was clueless (I agree) and we both contended...the actress needed to be gagged, big time. I will agree with you, though, she was a helluva screamer, especially during the roasting scene.

That movie could have been great, but there are too many flaws. Still, it was a decent effort, and like you said, groundbreaking for its time. I still consider it to be conceptually the best roasting scene I've ever seen on film, and I hope the new one that Jane is making surpasses it. That's the plan, anyway.

You wrote:

Today, I am chaining a girl, spread eagle---she is a prisoner of war. Already beaten and raped, this will be the scene where we light a fire in a small stand, directly under her pussy. Full effects and gore, tons of blood curtailing screams---this was be my most disturbing project in days. :-)

Oh, I am so there! A prisoner of war, you say? They make great victims, because in war, there are no rules...you can do whatever you want. Screw the Geneva Convention! And a fire directly under the pussy? You know, I don't think I've ever mentioned it, but I love any kind of fire torture. How are you going to pull that off without burning the actress?

Definitely let us know when that one gets released. And if you have any teaser vidcaps, send 'em to me and I'll put up on the board.

Hopefully someday I'll see "Penelope Pace gave Rick Masters a cow for his farm..."

Negatives - she is not naked and is rescued too quickly by Robert Stack. Positives - she is beautiful and the acting is great, especially when she is struggling against being strapped to the cross. The movie is also known as "The Peking Medallion". It is available on tape from Amazon (used). I do have a second rate digital copy of the scene.

Elke Sommer was frickken gorgeous. She got tied to a bed and gagged in a film called Daniella By Night. A good scene, but she's not really in any kind of peril. An over-the-mouth gag, too, not my favorite. Still it's Elke Sommer in bondage and worth seeing.

Here's some caps:

http://ralphus.net/dailypic2010/elke_daniella05.jpg

http://ralphus.net/dailypic2010/elke_daniella11.jpg

http://ralphus.net/dailypic2010/elke_daniella13.jpg

http://ralphus.net/dailypic2010/elke_daniella15.jpg

If you can track it down, check out a film called Sweet Ecstasy. Not only is Elke at her sexy best (she was only 22), the filmmakers knew exactly what to do with her. As a matter of fact, it's by the same director who tied her up in the previous film. He was no dummy.

There's a scene where there's a wild party aboard a yacht and they hold a mock "slave auction" where Elke is hogtied and the guests get to bid on her. She's actually got a crotchrope between her legs (supposedly the first one in mainstream movie history, if I remember right). But here's the kicker: the yacht catches on fire and everybody runs away and abandons ship, completely forgetting that she's all alone and helplessly hogtied.

After the fire rages on, all the partygoers are in their lifeboats sailing to shore when one of them happens to remember, oh hey, we left Elke all tied up back there. By the time a couple of guys come back to get her, she's screaming her head off and the room is filled with flames. She does get rescued in the nick of time. Adding a fire always makes a bondage scene better, since it adds that extra level of suspense.

And here's a few vidcaps of that:

http://ralphus.net/dailypic2010/MOVB0579.JPG

http://ralphus.net/dailypic2010/MOVB0580.JPG

She is listed in the Notable Guest section.

Rest in Peace,
JohnM

http://backdoorbondage.com/blog.php?story_id=476

Here's another lost mainstream flick with a GIMP moment although not worth paying $126 for, the price on eBay. "Innocent Bystanders" (1972) Geraldine Chaplin, looking quite fine almost 40 years ago, is briefly tortured. As I remember (and it was a while ago)she is standing (restrained?) and seen from the waist up. Her tormentor shows her his fingers in a pincers grip, then his hand disappears below her waist and suddenly she is in great pain. Later she can barely walk. Not a great scene but obviously a memorable one to sick perv if it is still recallable after all these years.

esso - "Innocent Bystanders" - I recall seeing that many years ago - something about Geraldine getting caught up in a government covert operation of some kind - like you I don't recall if she was restrained - oddly, the thing I remember most about that scene, and I hope memory serves me well, is there was another woman in the room when the dude gives her the pinch - when done, Geraldine turns to the woman and says "you let him do that to me?" - and for the low, low price of only $126.00 plus shipping and handling you say.

Ralphus - so I'm going through the archives and I stumble across a moldy oldie dvd I had never seen and don't know where it came from - "BATS ALERT" - don't know if you've seen this but it comes in the form of a Jack Palance, Anita Ekberg movie "The Mongols" - at the very end after the Great Khan has been murdered and placed on his funeral pyre 20-30 Polish men and women including the lady of the hero are tied to X-frames and will perish in the conflagration - fires are lit but the hero arrives in the nick of time - now, I didn't find it particulary well staged and they are rescued but if you've not seen it take a view and judge for yourself - but go directly to the last 10 minutes - watching Jack Palance chew up the scenery for the entire film is more than the human spirit can bear.

Stay well all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNHYLm7c7HA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr32Swwc0PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKReWHEM56A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuyyFZzzsgY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wecWgAXK1nQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83R9ipecv3k (see minute 1:41)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ohw9dqw_U

I would have spoken of this sooner but I did not want to interject myself into the situation. I got the news on Monday that she had passed away. I think it's important for people to know that she would want you to enjoy her work because she loved bondage so very much. Simply put I would not have evolved without her. I thought her to be every bit as tough as any H.O.M. model of the day.

Her man Lee was so very kind to set me up with a phone call just before she passed away. I never thought in my wildest dreams that I would be saying my goodbyes to such a great friend and special person. She liked it real, and she liked it tight, and she loved the fight. Please keep her and her man Lee in your thoughts, good Karma can help them both.

"Last Orgy of the Third Reich" has disappeared from youtube.

Damn, it sure did. Within a few days of it appearing here, too. Probably all the extra hits that clip was getting alerted someone at YouTube. They trashed his whole account. He had entire full-length movies there that were full of nudity and bondage, so he was definitely living on borrowed time trying to post them there.

BTW, the first and last clips you posted were from Devil's Prey, a most outstanding mainstream offering with some gorgeous nude women in merciless peril. Hank Hobbs just recently posted the longer and uncensored versions of these same clips. Check 'em out at his Yahoo group.

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Sloth: Thanks for the BATS ALERT on The Mongols. I've already got it in my collection, although I would love a better quality version than the one I bought from Something Weird Video. I've seen some beautiful quality vidcaps from the movie on the web so obvious a better copy exists somewhere. I agree with you on the BATS scene, not bad but should have been much better. Fairly rare to see a mass burning scene in a movie, though. At least the lead victim was pretty cute.

But one thing, though. If you fast-forward to the last 10 minutes of the movie to avoid Jack Palance's atrocious overacting, you'll miss what I consider the highlight of the movie, the whipping scene with Antonella Lualdi. It's a good one. Or you could just click on the video link in the Whipping Scenes Database.

Ralphus - speaking of the whipping scene in "The Mongols" - I suspect my copy may be even worse than yours - after the chick is lowered to the ground another Mongol enters with some type of clear container - I can't make it out - is there a critter of some kind in it? - wish they had shot that scene if that's the case - and speaking of "Devil's Prey" - yeah, some very nice ladies in that one and pretty racy for such a mainstream film - I'll pull that out and give it a view along with "Satanic Yuppies" which has a similar theme but played much more tongue in cheek - nothing like nubile wenches on a sacrificial altar.

Stay well all

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Tarl's site has posted pics of a 1962 Italian sword and sandal flick called La Distruzione Di Ercolano aka 79 A.D.. There's an attractive woman who gets tied up and whipped. Unfortunately, she's fully clothed. Even more tragically, she gets rescued before anyone gets around to removing her garment.

I bring it up only because someone here once mentioned a movie that ended with Mount Vesuvius blowing its top, and that happens in this one. But I haven't seen it and don't know whether there is anything else of interest here. There is a mass crucifixion of men, but that's for some other forum.

That movie is Belle Du Jour, starring Catherine Deneuve.

;-)

Ralphus - speaking of the whipping scene in "The Mongols" - I suspect my copy may be even worse than yours - after the chick is lowered to the ground another Mongol enters with some type of clear container - I can't make it out - is there a critter of some kind in it?

I got a nice DVD copy of the movie (zone 2, PAL). The container is full of scorpions. As I remember it now, Anita Ekberg says something like "I'll order them to cover your whole body with honey, for the scorpions. It is a atrocious torment".

I don't really like gags, but someone might like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDaLuAmoTOQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWnRlNIDqG8

The torture scenes from "Mark of the Devil" (this scene is posted to and deleted from youtube quite often) (3:07 min)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUPscHdTxGM

From "Slaves of the Realm". Very brief whipping scenes near the end of the clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf3O8TMLJ_o

One of the torture scenes from "Night of the Blood Monster" (frequently posted to youtube):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emDTrcmOfvk

"The Vampire Happening" trailer. Part of the rack scene can be seen here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL5WgtpYBlY

Another blast from the past (mainstream division) I haven't seen mentioned - "Spirits of the Dead" (1968). Three stories inspired by Poe tales and directed by Vadim, Malle and Fellini. We are interested in the Malle segment, the second. There is a rather tame scene of Brigitte Bardot (in a horrible black wig) being whipped and more to my liking a semi nude woman squirming while bound to a table and being threatened with a scalpel. At least that is the way I remember it. The DVD is available at Amazon but not at Netflix.

esso - even though that chick in "Spirits of the Dead" really suffered nothing more than being menaced I thought she sold her scene far better than Bardot who was almost robotic through her segment.

John Galt - as always kudos to your review - that is a nice looking chippie in that effort.

BTW, you don't like gags? What? Dude, there's nothing that improves a woman's looks more than a gag. Okay, some things are close...

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John Galt: And thank you very much for your latest review. Kind of refreshing to see Powershotz does more than tie the girl up and anally penetrate her with a glass dildo. Bondage sex, that's more like it! Of course, just think, if she were gagged, it would look a heck of a lot more like a rape, even if it's still consensual sex between a chick and her boyfriend. I know Powershotz is trying to lay low and not get arrested, but doing something that simple could give their work more of an edge.

The link to your latest review is my Homepage URL above.

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esso: The thanks for The Corrupt Ones torture clip go to you, not me. You're the one who sent it to me, I just uploaded it to YouTube. It's a pretty good scene; I'm gonna buy it on VHS for better quality (I know that sounds messed up, but without a DVD release, it's the best we've got).

Spirits of the Dead: We have caps and a video clip of Bardot's whipping scene in the Whipping Scenes Database. There's a sharper quality YouTube clip of that scene, but the sound is out of sync, which I absolutely hate when it comes to whipping scenes. Why is it that in the one scene where Brigitte Bardot got whipped, she A) wasn't tied up and B) looked nothing like the Brigitte Bardot that we all used to lust after?

Short whipping scene from a cuban telenovela Whipping begins at 5.14

Well, she is 76. Very few people look anywhere near as good in their 70s as they do in their 20s. Sophia Loren and Tina Turner are the exceptions, not the rule.

It's a timeless theme that has been oft repeated - boy meets girl, boy takes girl on luxury boat ride, boy and girl get stranded in a coastal Spanish village, boy loses girl after she is kidnapped by creepy villagers, boy searches for girl, boy finds girl as she's being sacrificed, boy watches girl suffer agonizing death, boy for no apparent reason swims off with half piscine girl who happens to be his sister to conceive a new race of immortal sea beings - so many like that to choose from - guess I'll go watch "Dagon" so I can see the lovely and gracious Raquel Merono sacrificed - it's the only thing I can think of to take my mind off "Maleficarum".

Stay well all

I must confess that I never liked gags in a bondage scene. I don't really know why, but I think that it is because I like to see the expression of a woman subjected to bondage/torture (strictly in movies/fantasy, I mean). Also, I like to hear her screaming. In this sense, gags imply less fun, for my tastes. It would be interesting to create a poll regarding this aspect.

Can’t argue with that. Lena Horne and Cyd Charisse were also famously ageless, and Raquel Welch is looking pretty good for a septuagenarian. But, as you noted, they’re the exceptions. It’s mostly the luck of the genes.

Gonzaullas: Count me as one who’s never appreciated nor understood the fascination with gags in BDSM/fetish material. Especially ball gags, which to me look more silly than erotic -- they remind me of clown noses. And mainly, you can’t kiss a tied-up woman with a gag in her mouth!

Shall we make it an official GIMP Poll? “Gags in bondage: Yea or Nay?”

In typical fashion, I tend to come down in a middle position on this. On one hand, in most cases I think the girl looks better without the gag than with it. Let’s try a few tests, shall we?

Gag or no gag?

Gag or no gag?

On the other hand, I feel there are situations where the gag makes for a better scene. Case in point is today’s pic. Can’t see this working without the gag.

Gag? Definitely.

Gag? Yes, indeed.

Gag? No way.

Gag? Perfect.

Gag? I think so.

Gag? Not on your life.

Just my two cents.

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On the subject of gags....I like them on and off in each scene if possible. Most models hate them so you have to keep the pressure up to keep them on. During penetration scenes many people want to hear talk and see reactions....the other half wants to see her gagged and helpless. The model usually won't experience real pleasure while gagged though there are a few exceptions. If she isn't gagged she is more likely to actually come. Which is rare but sometimes happens during anal training or with that vibrator/massager.

We'd shoot more boy/girl sex scenes if we could find models with boyfriend or husband that could perform well. We won't hire male talent and don't trust testing. Over half of what we shoot is customer funded scripts. Anal training scenes sell so well that they cover the cost of the other scenes. People are voting with their dollars. For most of these gals anal is something new so it's like a reality show. I believe that is why the clips sell so well.

We shoot rape fantasy but won't show closed fist hitting, threats with deadly weapons, injury or blood. Then we end it with a happy ending where the gal doesn't want to leave when she is released or where she changes half way through the scene and starts to enjoy it. It keeps us off the prosecutor hit list.

Appreciate the reviews and comments!

Shall we make it an official GIMP Poll? “Gags in bondage: Yea or Nay?”

Well, like YikYakker noted, we've explored this issue before, but it's been a while. Our hits are now consistently higher than they've ever been in the 11-year history of this site (by a whole bunch), which means we've been adding a whole lot more readers lately and they're coming back to visit us every day. Now the goal is to get them talking. We sure don't need more lurkers.

Guys, whether you're a regular poster here or have never posted here before, I know you have an opinion on this issue. You wouldn't be here checking us out if you didn't. So this poll is for everyone. Which means we want to hear from you. Yes, YOU!

Let's make it official. Where do I keep my fancy colored font?

(searching my computer, getting distracted every time I come across a picture of a bound and gagged babe)

Found it! So without further adieu...

GIMP POLL:
Gags in bondage: Yea or Nay? And explain why

No question as to where I stand on this issue. I will agree that not every bondage situation calls for a gag, such as where the woman is being tortured for a confession, like in an Inquisition-type setting, for instance. And we've already had some nice comments, like when Gonzaullas noted that he likes to hear her screaming. Hey, so do I! And there's no better sound than hearing a muffled scream through a gag.

Basically, when you take away a woman's ability to speak, you have almost complete control over her. I doesn't matter how well she's tied otherwise, if she can talk, scream, yell, cry, beg, call for help...she still has power. Shut her mouth, and keep it shut, and you take away her biggest weapon. Not to mention how much hotter she looks with her wide eyes silently pleading with you with her mouth securely taped below. This is really a no-brainer for me.

How about the rest of you? We're going to keep score this time, and just to make it more fun, if you're a non-regular or a first-time poster, your vote counts double. So if you want your side to win, now is the perfect time to step out of the lurking closet and make yourself known. There's really no excuse...Everyone Must Vote.

Guess I could go either way, with or without. Depending on the chick and the situation.... Hell, what do I know? I'm just an aging metalhead.

Secondly to prevent the screams as you merrily go about the business of teaching her the error of her ways, grey area some prefer to hear the screams some don't.

Thirdly and my favourite as a means to portray to her that no matter how much she pitifully pleads she will be powerless to prevent the torments awaiting her, although a few brief moments of pleading would be allowed before and after said torments. So what I'm really saying is there’s no definitive answer it’s up to your own personnel preference or deviant pleasure, smiles.

But I would like to see a movie somewhat on the opposite end of the "bondage" spectrum get made. Something that looks mainstream enough to be described as an 'action' or 'detective' movie, but after a while also gets into the capture, stripping and torture of several of females and at the end, their rescue. Now I know that 'rescues' are a sore subject here, but as you will see I have a specific thought in mind here.

Years ago when I was young - LOL, a 'friend' introduced me to the scene by inviting me to watch a movie on video-tape (that kind of dates it, huh?). The movie was called "The Abductors" and was about some HS cheerleaders getting abducted to be trained and sold as sex slaves. Yeah I know, dumb plot (and it had enough plot holes to drive a convoy of tractor trailers through) but, to me, at the time still an HS girl myself, it definitely gave the guy and me things to 'talk about' and more, afterwards. I would love to see something like that made today. Hopefully the plot could be written a little better (fewer holes) too. But, here are the parameters I would consider desirable (in fact, I would even say: necessary) for this movie.

A. Enough plot so it can be passed off as a "real" (as opposed to 'porno') movie.

B."X", not "XXX" Definitely with complete female nudity, but only with simulated sex/rape - and presumably the torture would be simulated also...

C. Torture methods used would be such that they do NOT spill blood, or cause what appears could be permanent injury or scars. This does NOT necessarily mean all the tortures would have to be 'mild', for example, I could see a girl being interrogated in the film by being repeated prodded in the pubic zone with an electric cattle prod and then, if she doesn't talk, have a bucket of water thrown on her front and prodded some more. In fact the use of porno-movie style 'tickle-tortures' would tend to spoil the effect. At the end all the girls are rescued - not murdered! The point is, could someone make a movie at the end of which your companion could reasonably ask: would you like to try what a 'situation' like this might feel like? A movie which plays to girls/women's rational fantasies which some of them just might be willing to 'play out'. (And needless to say, we DO NOT really fantasize about how neat it would be for us to be dismembered and killed!)

A gag distorts the face just a bit to show off her other assets. Amazing what they can do with their eyes and head shaking. Just look how lively and silky smooth her hair is. You don't want split ends when you drag her away pulled by her hair. Anyway a scream can be heard over a gag with proper motivation.

Now if you have her hogtied on the floor and you're letting her and yourself rest till the real ravishment/fun starts let her scream. The old let them beg into the camera and they don't know if you're watching or not. Please, Please, Please,,,What do you want,,,Please let me go and I promise not to tell,,,while they work at those cuffs or plastic tie wraps keeping her on the floor. She makes too much of a fuss pull the butt plug out her rear end and put it in her mouth. Let her have a fudge flavored brownie to suck on while it tickles her tonsils.

Ralphus you said it quite well and explained my thoughts when you wrote: "Basically, when you take away a woman's ability to speak, you have almost complete control over her. I doesn't matter how well she's tied otherwise, if she can talk, scream, yell, cry, beg, call for help...she still has power. Shut her mouth, and keep it shut, and you take away her biggest weapon. Not to mention how much hotter she looks with her wide eyes silently pleading with you with her mouth securely taped below. This is really a no-brainer for me"......

I will add I also also like the sound of a woman's muffled screams as I force them to cum. Even during 'vanilla' sex I usually hand-gag them a lot. In the past when with a new woman doing it 'vanilla' if she didn't try to push my hand off her mouth I knew I had a good chance of introducing her to bondage sex. If the woman had difficulty with my hand over her mouth I rarely dated that woman anymore, lol. Selfish? I like what I like, lol.

Anyone who has viewed my artworks knows my 'cartoon victims' are always gagged. A woman is never a true helpless captive if she can make enough noise for someone other than her captor / ravisher to hear her.

Enjoy life, Mike aka MWB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BygNuBj1jIk

We have recently started to post some of our milder clips to youtube. I would be interested in feedback from you. We are always looking for new ideas and insights.

YikYakker - very nice medley of gag/no gag scenes - some true classics there - thanks.

Seeing a slew of posts from names new to the forum - welcome to you all and don't be strangers who disappear after a poll - we are, after all, open 24/7 here.

So yesterday I find myself over at our friend Hank Hobbs site where his newest stills and clips are from the home invasion scene from "Clockwork Orange" - just a bit of amusing Gimp trivia here - some years back I read somewhere that on the morning of that shoot the cast was sitting around having coffee, or perhaps tea, and were chatting about what they thought of the scene, how it would progress, what the outcome would be, etc. - Adrienne Corri apparently shut everyone up when she announced "Gentlemen, the only thing we know for certain is that today you will find out if I'm a natural redhead" - now that's my kind of chick.

Stay well all

Here are a few more youtube links, 2 of them with gags ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ8BkNoyStI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ckc5_hn0Dw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC_IKAVvSzE

Personally I use gags because I live in an apartment building. I also have a few neighbors that belong to this church group who are trying to get any kind of torture banned. A gag here is used to simply keep those assholes from my door and giving me shit. I know they got a couple of people kicked out already.

Still, you have to choose to gag based means, environmental conditions and if you wish to terrify your victim more or less. I have a question. How many of you have to deal with these religious whack jobs pushing their beliefs on you?

One caveat - the gag looks best when it "matches" the scene - a kidnapping scene with a ball-gag or harness gag jars a bit... ropes and cloth or tape gags look more "correct", but hey! I'll take what I get!

Boz

As far as questioning? The gag should remain in place even after the victim indicates willingness to comply for 2 reasons, 1) Ensure the truth and not some ploy to have the gag and the motivation suspended and 2) Can't stop the fun for just any reason! LOL

I am definitely in the gagged camp. I like the look, the additional elements of discomfort and humiliation and the sound a gagged woman makes. I also think it adds a level of realism to most scenes.

Ball gags have a great look and have a certain appeal with the uncontrolled drooling they induce, but probably my favorite is the panty gag. It hits a dark psychological note on several levels.

Nothing could be more humiliating than a lady forced to sample her own "wares" after her panties have been stripped off her. She is also rendered silent by the item used to cover her genitalia, which is now exposed, certainly for the purpose of use, abuse and exploration.

I really like the look of it as well, the mouth stuffed full, jacked open and still having the elements of a cleave gag with the attachment method, be it rope, strap, nylon etc.

I am also a big fan of the loose ball with a clear tape wrap ala "Clockwork Orange". I seems a very intense choice for a mainstream movie, also a rather dangerous gag if not properly executed. I wonder what lead to the decision to use that particular method?

While screaming or pleading ungagged can be erotic if the actress is good at it, I find that frequently it goes from being erotic to just plain annoying. Some may like horror movie screams from their film victims, but I think I prefer a more muffled sound.

Rick

I can't add much beyond what Rick offered. He pretty much summed it up for me. But I might also add... there are a bunch of Asian bondage flicks - including some otherwise fine Attackers - that nearly wore me down because of the incessant braying. Some good old fashioned muffled mewing could have turned a good flick into a great one.

I saw images of girls gagged with a 2X2 inch piece of tape where if she hiccupped the gag would fly across the room of rendered totally silent by a leather thong between her teeth "Yeah Right"!! I realized that someone was paid to make this pithic images. I knew I could do better and the rest is as they say History! :)

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John Galt: Thanks for the fun review of Tory...Bound Spread and Fucked. The spreadeagle is perhaps my favorite position, especially with her butt propped up like that with the pillow.

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Dom: It seems that Undergroundvideo covers a wide range of fetishes and your models look good. Haven't had time to really peruse your site yet, but will do so soon.

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Gag poll: Nice to see some new names here. Welcome and I hope you stick around. As for the poll question, I think everyone knows where I stand on this issue. Since I'm lazy, I used the GIMP search function and will simply repeat what I wrote last year on why I think gags are so important:

Common sense: Why would a villain take a chance of letting a victim's screams alert some trouble-making passerby?

Humiliation: There's nothing like uncontrollable drool to add to the humiliation of the victim. And panty gags? Oh yeah!

Frustration: Gags can generally be easily removed with the hands. But if her hands are tied properly, try as she may, she can't get to that otherwise easily removable gag, which could gain her freedom.

Sexiness: I find gags, especially ball gags, incredibly sexy. I also love gag talk and muffled screams. A huge turn-on.

Helplessness: With the bound woman gagged, her last line of defense (trying to talk her way out of her predicament) is gone.

Fear: Expressions of fear in a woman's eyes are enhanced with a gagged mouth.

Pain: A big ball gag or dental gag in place for a prolonged period must be painful, or at least damn uncomfortable, for the victim's jaw.

Empowerment: Once the villain securely puts the gag in place, he's pretty much telling the victim, "I don't give a fuck what you have to say. I'm just gonna have some fun torturing you."

Realism: A good gag can vastly improve the acting abilities of the woman, who may otherwise give unconvincing or flat lines like: "Oh please don't hurt me. I won't tell anyone." And if a gag is used in a consensual bondage scene, I can more easily pretend it's non-consensual because the gag eliminates that annoying "Fuck me harder, master" dialogue.

I do like gags, particularly when the gag is duct tape. I agree with the gag enthusiasts that gagging adds to the humiliation and helplessness of the victim, and that's a good thing.

However, what separates me from guys like Brutus is that the absence of a gag in a GIMP scene isn't an issue for me. I can think of many excellent GIMP moments that don't include gags.

Others have brought up A Clockwork Orange, so I will use that movie to make my point. Like Sloth, Rick, and others, I enjoy the scene where Mrs. Alexander is raped by Alex and his droogs, and the gagging of the victim definitely adds to the power of the scene.

Having said that, my favorite scene in the movie is the one with the weepy young devotchka who is almost raped in the derelict casino. And that scene doesn't include any gagging.

As I said, when it comes to gags, I go either way.

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Lynn wrote:

The movie was called "The Abductors" and was about some HS cheerleaders getting abducted to be trained and sold as sex slaves...I would love to see something like that made today.

I strongly second that point.

And it makes me wonder how Detective Ralphus is doing in his search for Cheri Caffaro. Maybe we need to bring in Sgt. Major to help -- he seems to know everyone.

• First and foremost, they keep the victim quiet. Like bondage, on the surface this seems purely utilitarian, but just as a restrained girl raises all sorts of sexual overtones, apparently the same applies to one who is gagged. Both reinforce the power of the villain over his prey.
• Also like bondage, gags humiliate the captive. This is especially true if the gag consists of soiled panties or some other nasty substance.
• Gags impair a woman's ability to use her mouth and lips to seduce her captor, reducing any chance of turning her femininity against him.
• Like spiked chokers and fishnet stockings, gags have become fetish wear to which some men have become totally conditioned.
• Depending on the design, some gags can be used as instruments of pain.

There likely are other reasons why they are popular, but given so many applications, I suspect few of us will argue gags are a bad idea at all times. Personally I like them when they serve a specific and logical purpose: usually keeping my target quiet while being captured or to assert my dominance over her. Like others have already mentioned, it makes no sense gagging a suspect during an interrogation scene, nor do I see the appeal of gagging a woman just for the sake of adhering to fetish-fashion trends.

So there it is… a vote for "it depends".

I bought one of your War Victims DVDs. The accompanying illustration was a scan of a Norm Eastman cover from one of those 60's men's adventure pulps, so I knew the content would have nothing to do with the picture. The hyperbolic description didn't tell me much either. And the $60 price tag should have been a deal-breaker, but at 3:00 AM and after a mickey of Bell's, it seemed almost reasonable.

The DVD arrived promptly - standard slip case and no cover art or promo material. Contents: three (poorly) bootlegged clips from RueMorgue which had nothing to do with "war victims". In fact, I already owned two of the clips after purchasing them directly and legitimately from Hank Samuels. Verdict: Rip-off.

I'm on your mailing list, and receive occasional updates promoting new material, some of which is intriguing to say the least. The Salome video you are currently pushing does look legit, and had I not experienced the War Victims fiasco, I likely would have bought it. However, I can't help but think you are selling someone else's work at inflated prices, and if so, I'm not about to fall for that trick twice. Once bitten, forever shy.

A movie which plays to girls/women's rational fantasies which some of them just might be willing to 'play out'. (And needless to say, we DO NOT really fantasize about how neat it would be for us to be dismembered and killed!)

If by "we" you mean women, you are dead wrong. I'm sure many, perhaps most women, fantasize about being rescued in the nick of time. But I know several gals who dream of a long, slow torture which climaxes with their ultimate demise. The dismemberment fetish among women is somewhat rare, but I know of a few who enjoy this level of brutality as well. If you knew what some women fantasize about, it would put you off your porridge.

No gag for Dyanne Thorne in Ilsa, Harem Keeper of the Oil Sheiks Good idea or bad?

Ai Sayama was left ungagged for her interrogation in Captive Factory Girls 2. But why didn’t they gag her for the party afterwards?

No gag for Kate Rodger in Hell Mountain. I like it.

If the subject is being interrogated, it's different. How is the subject going to indicate a readiness to being answering questions if her mouth is stuffed with her panties and covered with duct tape?

Once the interrogator has gotten the answers that are desired, then, yes, gag her. And then punish her some more for not cooperating sooner.

I will say nay to the gag... unless it is a ring gag of course. No sense having one's manhood inadvertently severed.

First, I want to hear the needful cries as she is pleasured and brought to the edge of bliss. Second, I want to hear the howls of pain as the lash stripes her tender flesh, and third, see case one and two above.

'Nuff said.

So to sum up, a big YES for gags. Mainly for the visual appeal and to increase the helplessness of the victim. The pleading eyes thing is a big part of the appeal for me!

I am very surprised to hear that the "War Victims" content is available anywhere else. We acquired the raw footage from a custom producer in Texas and edited the program together from original source footage. The original opening we designed for the series is representative of our commitment to excellence.

Most of our products are original with very high production values for the genre. We invite you to re-visit our site and take a look at the wealth of free content we provide before making a final decision on our worth as a program source. You will find our content unique and unusual.

We invite you to return the video you are dissatisfied with in exchange for any other title on our site. This is not a special gesture for you it is our company policy across the board. We do not want any unhappy customers.

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Gags are not a make-or-break issue for me. It all depends on the context. As several folks have pointed out, it is ludicrous to gag someone who is being interrogated, or asked to respond verbally (unless you like the unintelligible "mmfrph" sounds that emerge as a result). It is counterproductive to gag a victim if forced oral sex is on the agenda. (Duh.) It makes all sorts of sense to use a gag to muffle screams or cries for help. However, it is annoying to watch someone struggle to insert and remove a gag repeatedly. That is time better spent doing other things.

I will say that ring gags and spider gags do make perfect sense to me. They keep the mouth forced open and remove the threat of biting or dismemberment. Plus, they add a nice level of helpless powerlessness. Conversely, employing those gags and not conducting a thorough forced oral sex procedure should be a punishable offense. The victim is the only one who should be teased.

So, gags where it makes sense and no gags where it does not. There are circumstances where I would have liked to see an effective gag used (a certain Powershotz Tory video clip comes to mind) but simply the presence or absence of a gag does not determine whether or not I like a scene. It is not a hot-button issue. I have other hot-button criteria.

Sometimes, I enjoy duct tape gags--it allows me to focus on their eyes.

JohnM

I haven't tried adding up the scores, but I think maybe, just maybe the gags are beating the no gags in this poll question. As well it should be. But I'm liking the varying answers we've been getting. Really great stuff, guys (and even chicks this time, too. That's refreshing).

Here's a few comments I especially like:

BP wrote:

She makes too much of a fuss pull the butt plug out her rear end and put it in her mouth. Let her have a fudge flavored brownie to suck on while it tickles her tonsils.

Oh HO! Nasty! I like the way you think!

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Sloth wrote:

...in my working days I had occasion to be involved in any number of rape investigations where the victim had been bound and gagged - in almost every case the victim stated she was most terrified by the application of a gag as it took away her last remaining avenue of resistance - I'm fully aware such observations are based on personal experience with a small number of respondents and therefore open to debate - it certainly was not something they were making up on the spur of the moment though.

See, the fact that as a cop you worked on rape cases and the actual victims disclosed that being gagged terrified them the most...that says a lot in my book. It all goes back to my contention that gagging them takes away their control and enforces one's dominance over them. If you want a realistic bondage fantasy...and I certainly do...gagging is essential.

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Rick wrote:

Nothing could be more humiliating than a lady forced to sample her own "wares" after her panties have been stripped off her. She is also rendered silent by the item used to cover her genitalia, which is now exposed, certainly for the purpose of use, abuse and exploration.

An excellent point, and from someone who oughta know a thing or two about the subject. I've always contended that a woman's used panties were the best mouth packing of all, not only because of having to taste her own secretions, but for the utter humiliation that she's being gagged with something so personal, the last remaining remnant of clothing that covers her most feminine of body parts. She probably took her time choosing those panties when she purchased them, and what happens to them? They get bunched up and stuffed into her mouth to render her silent. What a mean thing to do to a woman...which is exactly why it's the PERFECT thing to do to a woman.

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Brutus wrote:

Since I'm lazy, I used the GIMP search function and will simply repeat what I wrote last year on why I think gags are so important:

Hey, as far as reruns go, that one was a CLASSIC rerun and deserved an encore posting. That's one of my favorite posts you've ever written, and obviously, perfect for this particular poll.

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That's enough for now. I have other comments I can make, but this post is already too long and it's time for me to get to work. Keep up the insightful observations, guys.

I think her mouth is too pretty to gag. Come to think of it, I’ve never seen Jane in a gag scene. It would be interesting to hear her take on the subject.

Uh-oh. What’s wrong with this picture? Her hands are tied in front – she can reach right up and pull that gag off! Someone didn’t read his GIMPer Manual.

Didn't we have this poll question once before? It sounds vagely familiar. Count me amoung the "no gags" crew. I prefer to be able to hear the girl scream, moan, and beg for mercy. Most of the time a gag would prevent that from being possible. So no gags for me.

THE T DOUBLE G...

And also a good argument for non-gags as well, for later on, when she is broken and no longer gagged, she is begging "No, no." and then "I'll talk." What could be better than the journey from "Fuck you." to "I'll tell you everything." Couldn't have that with a gag in place.

Fritz, I am not at all surprised about your experience with Underground Video. I have never ordered anything from them, but several years ago I found a copy of one of their titles "Whip Virgin" available for rent at a video store in my area.

The description on the back of the DVD case gave the impression that the movie features a brutal whipping. I rented the movie expecting a good show, instead it turned out to be a waste of my rental money. I watched the first forty-five minutes of the thing before I could no longer stand it. The entire forty-five minutes was nothing but one model dancing and playing with herself.

I doubt anything this company produces is what it is described as. They feel like a bunch of scam artists!

So far, 38 people have voted. Not bad for a poll that's only been going on for 2 days.

Some of you said both yes and no to gags, depending on the situation. Therefore, I have to mark those down as both a YES and a NO. Seems fair.

Among regular posters, 15 say YES to gags, 9 say NO.

Among the non-regular posters and newbies, it's not even close. 17 say YES, only 4 say NO. We double their votes and it's 34 to 8. Which puts the overall totals at 49 for YES, 17 for NO.

If this were a boxing match, the referee would have called it by now. But fortunately, it's a discussion forum, which means we can keep on discussing this as long as we want. And really, it doesn't matter who wins or loses, it's more important that everyone gets to express their opinions. And like I predicted, seemingly everyone has an opinion about this one. So keep it up, gang.

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Esso wrote:

Jane was gagged in Agent X during the electro scene and a great job as well. Her panties are cut off while she is tied to a table. She is told to talk, refuses ("Fuck you.") and the panties are forced into her mouth, and then bound there with a rope. She is obviously not pleased. A great gagging scene, she looks terrified.

Well, it was a great scene, but not an especially great gagging scene, IMO. Like I wrote in my review, he should have used a separate rope and wound that around her head to seal in the panties. What he did was sufficient but should have been tighter to make it more effective.

As for Jane, hopefully she'll be back here eventually and she'll give her own opinion on gags, assuming she survives being burned at the stake.

If it's true, this company should not be allowed to advertise here--especially if they are claiming licensed rights and making compilations and mock ups just to appeal to whomever they wish to target at that point. How many different types of forums do they pop up on with "content that would be appealing".

Thanks,
JohnM

As with so many things, my opinion on gags depends on circumstances and mood. Sometimes I want to hear a full-throated scream, others a muffled whimper.

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Ralphus: This is really a no-brainer for me.

Isn't everything? For me it is! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Lynn (Welcome!): And needless to say, we DO NOT really fantasize about how neat it would be for us to be dismembered and killed!

Apparently, quite a few people do! It is (to me) a surprisingly popular topic on DarkFetishNet.

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Fritz: Gags impair a woman's ability to use her mouth and lips to seduce her captor, reducing any chance of turning her femininity against him.

That for me would be a point AGAINST gags. What would be more fun than to watch a girl using all her wiles, only to be whipped and beaten the harder for it?

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Yik Yakker: Suzanna Love gagged in The Boogeyman. Yes!

I think that one would have worked better with a rope gag, to match her wrists.

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More later, as I get the time...

The bad guy pulls a gun on the girl and forces her to strip. He makes her remove her panties and tells her put those dirty things in her mouth and shut up. Well, he feels her up while she gives him the old you dirty SOB with her eyes. Finally every thing is cinched in tight with her hose while her wrists are bound by bra. She made some nice noise when taken by behind.

The Butt Plug was from a story on the net. It was supposed to be from a woman but on the net her real name was "Bubba" I bet. It was the old "Thank God" nothing was stuck to it when it came out my butt and she wondered how many other girls she was tasting over time. I guess since it would be from her butt why clean it? From an engineering standpoint the butt plug comes in different sizes and colors. Big end in mouth to tickle the gag reflexes the teeth and jaws don't get tired since it is smaller and the easy to remove pull flap can be turned either horizontal or vertical so you could tape, tie or bind it in there.

Amazing how a butt plug can start a conversation. Makes you wonder when the girl knows what it is.

My apologies to Will Shakespeare and any poster here who may have already said that.

I guess I will be one of those who have a vote put in both columns as I do see valid reasons for both.

I do love the look of fear and pain regardless of gag or not but there is something to be said for hearing those tormented cries and screams...well, to a point anyway...and then of course would be a good time to add that gag.

Then there is the aspect of drooling. Being that I am just so into sweat or anything that would contribute to that kind of look, I certainly enjoy a pic where I see some glistening down our victim's chest.

The scene in question likely also dictates whether a gag is used or not. Interrogation would be nature be ungagged naturally whereas punishment and torment for their own sake might do either.

Such a dilemma!

Ralphus, I am definitely a non-decider on this one. Both have their place. Put me down for a vote on both!

Submitted for your approval at the above address - you say "but Sloth, you're usurping the authority of Gonzaullas as YouTube liason" - allow me to retort - in this 3:04 length trailer for the film "What Have You Done to Solange" here is what you get - boob shots, frontal nudity and several chicks in bondage and peril - Camille Keaton as the titular character prior to her blockbusting role in "I Spit on Your Grave - the gorgeous Christina Galbo who was never shy about getting tied up on screen although not in this one - what is IMHO one of the best of the giallo genre - and most important the bound, gagged naked chick rolled onto her back at 2:21 is a dead ringer for the maiden who deflowered me in high school then dumped me a year later - I get my revenge on her every time I watch this movie and that is, as we know, a dish best served cold :).

Stay well all

Fritz my offer for a replacement DVD still stands and I would welcome contact from your friend who claims ownership to the footage. Our phone number is listed on www.undergroundvideo.com. We spent considerable money to acquire the rights and edit the program series.

TGG, I suggest you re-rent the "Whip Virgin" DVD. The part you did not watch features that young beauty chained raw, no padded cuffs or other "softening" devices and whipped to orgasm by Mistress Poison who might be known to some of you. She is a real bitch and she puts this one time only fetish model through a serious, sweat drenched session.

You should all have another look. We are the real deal and produce and distribute programming of interest to this forum at a level of excellence that is rarely found in the genre.

I am glad I found this forum so I can set the record straight regarding our program line.

But for me there are only two types of gag

One. The large penis gag. One that just reaches the opening to her throat, so that the poor girl thinks she is on the brink of involumntry muscular spasms [vomiting] all the time she is fitted with it and the panic she must feel thinking what would happen to her if she did vomit!!

Two.The second is the stuffing of her mouth with lots of cloth [PD at insex] used to do some very good over filling of his models mouths with cloth. The reaction [facial expressions] of the poor girl as more and more of the cloth is forced deeper and deeper into her mouth [giving her a similar feelings that she is about to vomit] then held in place with rope, tape or a nice belt.

I am not saying anything new here, but the types of gags differ as do them women we like to see them on. I usually a visceral reaction to a gagged female that goes far deeper than just an aesthetic level. Bound and gagged as opposed to just bound is a higher level of helplessness for me. I love the over packed mouth and taped shut look as much as I love a ballgag that causes a hot chick to drool which is yet another level of loss of control. Ring gags speak to oral pleasures and cleave gags look very natural if they are tight, for me duct tape that covers the face beyond just the single hollywood strip across the mouth is the hottest by far. Each situation calls for a different gag.

Or the fear in her eyes as she stares at an instrument of torment nearing her naked, or otherwise, body. And yes, the drool, the sweat and, at times, the tears.

And what's this? No one has reviewed the movie yet. Well, maybe I can rectify that. But it would be great to find a version that has subtitles instead of the notoriously bad English dubbing of that era.

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Drool: As much as I enjoy sweat and tears, I just can't get into this by-product of ball gags. In fact, ball gags are my least favorite, for this and other reasons. My favorite gag is the tape gag that is a very thin veneer type, strong enough to do the job but still allowing the outline of a woman's lips to show through a bit. Also keeps the drool in. Hey, we all have our quirks here. ;)

We invite you to return the video you are dissatisfied with in exchange for any other title on our site. This is not a special gesture for you it is our company policy across the board. We do not want any unhappy customers.

Well, I looked through my DVD collection for the title I purchased from your store, but if it's buried amidst the 200 odd fetish disks I have, I can't find it. More than likely, I tossed the damn thing as I already had two of the clips on it and didn't care for the third. All I remember is that it was one of the War Victims videos (there are five listed in your catalog) and it compiled three different clips, all from RueMorgue.

I suppose I should have contacted you as soon as I received it. If you really do offer exchanges to dissatisfied customers, at least I could have got a bootleg I hadn't previously seen. However, past experience has taught me that trying to resolve matters after being duped is mostly a waste of time. I do applaud your generosity, though.

Dom also wrote:

Most of our products are original with very high production values for the genre. We invite you to re-visit our site and take a look at the wealth of free content we provide before making a final decision on our worth as a program source. You will find our content unique and unusual.

Unusual, yes. Unique, no. I really want to believe you, dude, but after revisiting your site I'm more convinced than ever that you are marketing bootleg material. Not only that, you are charging significantly more than the original producers and legitimate vendors! Like I said, I no longer have the War Victims DVD as tangible evidence, but how do you explain the following?

Girl in the Lift (Item PR-1186 in your catalog): This title was produced by Teraz Films and is sold directly by them and a select few retailers for around $30. Your price: $70

Mark of the Whip (PR-1140): Another Teraz title. It's even reviewed at this site. Again, you are selling it for more than twice the price of other merchants.

The Perverse Dwarf (PR-0021): Almost certainly a dupe of The Sinful Dwarf, distributed by Severin Films and available at Amazon for under $30. Your price: $50.

Your entire line of "Inquisition" films (Q-01 through Q-17): These are all from Inquisition Live, who held the record for overpriced DVDs (30 Euros) until you upped the cost to $70.

And these are just a few I recognize because you have kept the original titles, used the official cover art, or given away the game in your descriptions. I suspect many of your DVDs have been retitled, and others are clearly packaged using artwork which, though titillating, has nothing to do with the content. Worse still, the descriptions are vague at best, and some titles don't even show a cover image.

All this suggests you are trying to hide the actual source and contents of the products you sell. In the extremely unlikely event that you actually have distribution rights from the producers, I still have to wonder why you are selling the DVDs for such inflated prices. Besides, in at least two cases, I know the producers involved. The first is JohnM, who already has posted that his former partner has not licensed their copyright to you. The second is Trevor Barley of Teraz films, and it would be easy for me to confirm that he hasn't either.

I must admit I am only familiar with BDSM videos, and your site does cater to folks into a number of different fetishes. Yet why should I believe that your other offerings are any more legit than the ones I recognize?

Fritz--can you let me know via email on this forum what you got from that company. Ruemorgue has not licensed its copyright to anyone else as far as I know and Hank, I am sure, would love to let his high priced attorney earn his keep.

Much as I would like to help out here, as I stated in my reply to Dom, I think I destroyed the evidence. At the very least, I lost it. And lawyers need evidence. Unlike some of the more blatantly bootlegged items at Dom's store, the RueMorgue clips are disguised in retitled compilations, and there are no screen caps or other clues to help me identify the one I bought. I can't even remember which clips were on it. Maybe the descriptions of the War Victims DVDs will provide a clue, but as I recall, you guys didn't create that many war-themed productions, so even that info is likely false.

Sorry I dropped the ball here. In hindsight, I probably should have alerted Hank, but at the time (this was a while ago) I didn't think anyone actually went after these guys.

I've only been a lurker/participant here for a relatively short time, but it's been my experience that the collective expertise about bondage videos on this forum is unsurpassed.

Scammers would do well to avoid this place. No quarter is given here.

Jane was gagged in Agent X during the electro scene and a great job as well...A great gagging scene, she looks terrified.

Ralphus wrote:

Well, it was a great scene, but not an especially great gagging scene, IMO.

I think you both answered my question about whether Jane has done a gagging scene. I did view Agent X, but I guess my selective (and sometimes murky) memory blocked that particular aspect out.

Maybe when Jane is done cleansing all of the ashes from her body she will grace us with her take on that scene in particular and gags in general.

I also noticed sort of a cheap stunt, where they took the text of Oslo Netfetter's original Whipping Scenes in Movies Database (without any of the vidcaps and video links we have here) and interspersed their own entries for their own commercial videos at various places throughout the list. Netfetter's database is one of the useful pieces of information for bondage fans on the net, and it was designed for mainstream films. None of the new Underground Video entries would have qualified for inclusion on that list.

Still, it's not my company. I don't know for a fact that they are peddling bootleg material and calling it their own. I can tell you that I heard from a trusted friend in the business who tells me that he's seen the original War Victims movie (although none of the sequels) and can confirm that the footage in that film is, in fact, some original stuff shot by a guy in Texas that he actually knows. So that part of Dom's explanation rings true.

It's awfully hard to defend yourself if you've been wrongly accused and have to prove a negative, that you didn't do something that someone says you did. Still, it looks bad with so many people pointing accusing fingers at him. I'm looking forward to reading his explanation, assuming he'll be back here posting again.

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Well, the new Harry Potter movie opened this weekend. Why do I care? Normally, I wouldn't. I've never seen even 5 minutes of any of the previous films. Never got into the whole fantasy film genre. But I do like Emma Watson, or at least I did until she chopped off all her hair and ruined her looks. Hey Emma, you look like a guy! Why don't you get a few tattoos while you're at it, honey? What a selfish thing to do to yourself. You were a babe! Do you hate men that much?

Anyway, I do recall someone posting here that Emma's character is supposed to be tortured in the final book, and this movie is based on the last book, right? Supposedly the movies are faithful to the books, which means in either this film or in the final chapter, which comes out next year, we might get to see Hermione scream and suffer. That might prompt a visit to my local cineplex. Anybody read the book or seen the new movie that can give us any details as to her fate?

Hermione is being straddled by Bellatrix. She is doing something to her arm and Hermione is screaming bloody murder---really good screams. Later, she is laying on the floor in a daze. It is revealed that Bellatrix was carving the words "half blood" into her arm. Even later, Bellatrix is holding a knife to her neck.

JohnM

Unusual, yes. Unique, no. I really want to believe you, dude, but after revisiting your site I'm more convinced than ever that you are marketing bootleg material. Not only that, you are charging significantly more than the original producers and legitimate vendors! Like I said, I no longer have the War Victims DVD as tangible evidence, but how do you explain the following?

Girl in the Lift (Item PR-1186 in your catalog): This title was produced by Teraz Films and is sold directly by them and a select few retailers for around $30. Your price: $70

Mark of the Whip (PR-1140): Another Teraz title. It's even reviewed at this site. Again, you are selling it for more than twice the price of other merchants.

Both of these titles are listed in our shopping cart at a price we decided on as part of our marketing strategy. I am not prepared to divulge that strategy to you but I can tell you that we sell these titles at various prices in conjunction with various sales that we run. As a consumer you can purchase from whomever you wish. As far as you being judgmental about our marketing approach you do not have the right. We set our own prices and adjust them to match market demands on a regular basis. Before you became accusatory about how we were ripping Teraz off you could have visited their site and learned that we are one of their North American distributors. Perhaps that would have been a better thing to do than fire off, on a public forum, accusatory and derogatory remarks about our honesty.

The Perverse Dwarf (PR-0021): Almost certainly a dupe of The Sinful Dwarf, distributed by Severin Films and available at Amazon for under $30. Your price: $50.

This is another example of your eagerness to stir up trouble where none exists. The title "Perverse Dwarf" has nothing whatsoever to do with "Sinful Dwarf" In your eagerness to show off your superior knowledge of the genre you were quick to say that "almost certainly a dupe of The Sinful Dwarf" The only thing reminiscent here of the "Sinful Dwarf" are that your careless and thoughtless accusations reminded me of the non sequitur and out of tune song sung by the Crone in that film which detracted from what otherwise would have been a perfectly good whipping scene.

Your entire line of "Inquisition" films (Q-01 through Q-17): These are all from Inquisition Live, who held the record for overpriced DVDs (30 Euros) until you upped the cost to $70.

For your information and edification we are the exclusive North American distributors for this original series of Inquisition programs. We do not distribute the modern Inquisition titles because of some legal issues. The titles we do distribute were given to us in their original German language and included long dialogue scenes and a weak effects track. We were required to re-edit for content, do a complete sound re-mix, re-author to NTSC standards and replicate copies for a North American audience. These are different considerations than making a title available for download and represented a considerable capital outlay for us. Furthermore the titles are of DVD quality when we are finished with the process. To initially promote the line we manufactured and distributed at no charge 2000 DVD samplers and launched and supported the line with an ongoing advertising campaign. None of this is your business but I want you to learn a little bit about the reality of delivering quality products to the consumer market.

And these are just a few I recognize because you have kept the original titles, used the official cover art, or given away the game in your descriptions. I SUSPECT (caps mine. Dom) many of your DVDs have been retitled, and others are clearly packaged using artwork which, though titillating, has nothing to do with the content. Worse still, the descriptions are vague at best, and some titles don't even show a cover image.

We have every right to use the cover art for the series and once again you have speculated incorrectly. We only change the name of some titles whose original foreign language title would be meaningless to anyone who did not speak the language.

All this SUGGESTS (caps mine, Dom) you are trying to hide the actual source and contents of the products you sell. In the extremely unlikely event that you actually have distribution rights from the producers, I still have to wonder why you are selling the DVDs for such inflated prices. Besides, in at least two cases, I know the producers involved. The first is JohnM, who already has posted that his former partner has not licensed their copyright to you. The second is Trevor Barley of Teraz films, and it would be easy for me to confirm that he hasn't either.

Now you SUGGEST, based on your earlier SPECULATIONS that it is unlikely that I have the right to sell these products. You said you know the producer of the War Victims footage and I invited you to have him contact me. You lost the evidence?? These titles are readily available in many video stores and on a wide range of PPV and Clip site on the web.

Regarding gags, I think they should be used when appropriate.

One last note to Ralphus. The cheap stunt of reposting and enhancing the whipping scenes database is less cheap than you think. Much of what was in that original database was lifted word for word from one of our earlier sites. Since this forum seems to attract sophisticated collectors one or more of them might remember that Netfetter's site credited Underground Video with being the source for much of his material. I will revisit this forum from time to time to make sure this thread is finished.

In closing I will say that I truly believe I could have been a very welcome contributor to this forum. Underground Video has been around since 1990 catering to a sophisticated group of private collectors and has amassed a fetish library second to none.

For my part I think I will find a more hospitable sandbox to play in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNRXiNe1uIY

"Mark of the Devil 2"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMJRVREYAzw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyzau_-Xoe0

My follow-up post was based not on personal experience, but a cursory review of your catalog. I have to confess I was looking for evidence of other bootleg DVDs, but to be honest, the best I could do was raise my suspicions. I have checked at Teraz, and you are indeed selling their titles legitimately. I must assume you are doing the same with the Inquisition Live videos. Although that personal experience of mine remains, it could easily be a case of the copyrighted material slipping into your listings without your being aware of it. In any case, I sincerely apologize for accusing you of marketing primarily bootleg DVDs.

That said, I stand by my other concerns, the ones which I believe are causing some folks on this forum to share my doubts. First and foremost, the fact that you are listing DVDs at twice the price of your competitors is frankly mystifying. Whether or not this is part of a secret marketing strategy, I know if I were to buy Girl in the Lift from you for $70, then later find I could have bought it for $30 at ACC, I would not be a happy customer. You mention you have "special sales" and sell at "various prices", but there is no mention of this at your store (unless it involves becoming a "member"). I have to assume that if the price is set at $70, that's what I will pay. If I find the same title for less than half the price at another store, clearly I'll purchase it there. What kind of marketing strategy is that?

Second: unlike your competitors, you do not identify the original producers of the videos. Neither Teraz nor Inquisition Live are mentioned in the blurbs for their products. Further, the content descriptions are not those found on the box covers, but ones I assume your company has created. And then there's all that 3rd party artwork (and limited or no images from the actual video). I realize this may all be part of your strategy, perhaps to mask the original source so it seems like you are the only company carrying these titles. I suppose that sort of rebranding is fair if it's okay with the producers - but when you combine that with the inflated prices, my radar goes off. I can't help but wonder if you are trying to mislead those who don't realize the same product is available cheaper elsewhere.

Like I said, I really want to believe you are running a straight-up business. You carry a wide variety of titles and some of them seem truly interesting and GIMP-worthy. And you've convinced me you are not knowingly bootlegging other producers' work. But at the very least, the way you are pricing and promoting your inventory will lead those of us with some knowledge of the material you sell to become suspicious (as you've seen on this forum).

It's your ship, and you can sail it any way you like. However, I doubt you will find many customers here. Your prices alone will scare most of us away (unless you let us in on those special sales :-). For those who do patronize your store, I hope they are doing so with eyes wide open.

One of the hot-button issues of the forum is piracy, and it is an issue with an extremely (and unfortunately) short fuse. I am glad that you took the time to clarify that Underground Video is an authorized distributor of Teraz Films. Your arrangement to distribute the Inquisition products sounds strange (required re-editing for American distribution seems like a contradictory copyright agreement to me), but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Your pricing policies are of course yours to do with what you like, but pricing is always a topic of discussion on the forum. Every review generally includes a place of purchase and a price, and many times there are follow-up comments pointing out more inexpensive sources. It is one of the nice things about the forum, being directed to better deals. If your products are consistently priced over other outlets, expect that to get mentioned.

As a re-distributor, and not a primary producer, you probably came under more intensive scrutiny and criticism than the producers who post here. However, in most cases, producers who are criticized defend their products and often provide enlightenment and insight that help forum members to see aspects that might not have been obvious. Your brief explanation about your arrangement with the Inquisition material was of great interest to me, although it left me with more questions than answers. But that is the kind of stuff I like to read about, especially since the industry is so diverse and seemingly chaotic.

As you have discovered, you don't have to "join" the GIMP forum, as it is open to anyone who wants to post or lurk. We don't have membership requirements. So you certainly have the option of taking your toys and finding a new sandbox to play in. Maybe you can find one where you are treated with deference if not obsequious reverence. I can guarantee you that won't happen here. However, I am extremely confident that you will not find anywhere else better than the GIMP forum to challenge you and, hopefully, provide you with the kind of truthful comments and feedback that will keep you on your toes and evolving as a business.

#1. I don't know why you think you would have been welcome to the forum if all you do is sell other people's videos at outrageous prices. It's not like you produce your own. I don't know if you're much of a fan or not or have any passion for the material, and after all of your paragraphs I still don't. I guess it's just our loss....

#2. Lay off the amateur business-speak. The following two statements are rife with such jargonish bullshit that no one is going to want to talk to you ever, on any forum, about anything. Never, ever, EVER try to talk to people in this fashion unless you WANT to be told to go fck off.

"Both of these titles are listed in our shopping cart at a price we decided on as part of our marketing strategy. I am not prepared to divulge that strategy to you"

Yawn. Someone's been selling vacuum cleaners...

"As far as you being judgmental about our marketing approach you do not have the right. We set our own prices and adjust them to match market demands on a regular basis."

You may be selling European titles, pal, but this is AMERICA. One thing we have is RIGHTS. And the right to speak our mind about someone's BS is the most exercised right on the net.

You may be selling European titles, pal, but this is AMERICA.

It is?

Anyone interested in WIP films can find a lot of information at this site.

I found an AOH whipping scene from a Spanish-language series "Hispania" involving Ana de Armas. Guess we add this to the database at some point.

JohnM: Thanks for the heads up on Emma Watson's scene in the new Harry Potter movie. Sounds good, although what was described here earlier sounded like a different torture. Thanks to that marvelous device called "SEARCH THE GIMP", here's what one of our posters wrote about the final book back on September 8, 2007:

Harry, Ron and Hermione get captured around mid way through the book by some of Voldemort's goons. They are taken back to the house of one of Voldemort's followers and all plot details aside there's information they want from them and they decide to torture Hermione to get it.

They use a spell on her for the torture of course, called the Cruciatus Curse, which is basically just the staple Harry Potter torture spell. They use it on her several times while Harry and Ron are locked away in a basement and hear her screaming. Eventually she passes out from the whole ordeal and then of course Harry and Ron find a way to get out and all three of them manage to escape safely.

I don't know if that's the same scene you saw, but it doesn't sound like it. Could it be that have Emma will have a scene in both movies? Tune in next summer for Harry Potter and the Torture of Hermione (working title).

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Dom wrote:

The cheap stunt of reposting and enhancing the whipping scenes database is less cheap than you think. Much of what was in that original database was lifted word for word from one of our earlier sites. Since this forum seems to attract sophisticated collectors one or more of them might remember that Netfetter's site credited Underground Video with being the source for much of his material.

I'm not trying to be confrontational either, but when I looked though the archived copies of the old WSIMD site, I saw one mention of Underground Video on his site. You are among the 60 or more links (the GIMP was listed, too) and here's what Netfetter wrote about your site: "interesting site with lots of SM material". That's it.

And frankly, I doubt that Netfetter would approve of you using his database for personal gain, mixing in overpriced commercial videos with his comprehensive list of mainstream movies with whipping scenes. I notice you didn't start doing that until after he took his site down.

There's a few clone copies of the text-only database in cyberspace, but ours is the only one that restores his original database to the web, complete with his vidcaps and now, video clips. Oslo gave me permission to host it here. I take care to preserve it and add new segments to it, keeping his original legacy alive. I think what you're doing does the opposite, it cheapens it by putting in entries that don't belong there.

I also agree with the others that deliberately overpricing movies that could be found elsewhere on the net for half of that shows disrespect to your customers. We don't want to be gouged or misled if we buy DVDs from your site. This is exactly the type of activity that encourages bootleggers to steal material and upload movies onto the net and let others take them for free instead of paying for them. Be up front and honest and people will be more inclined to pay a fair price for material like this.

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Gonzaullas: Thanks for the latest batch of YouTube offerings. Good stuff as always. I added the link for Women in Cages to the database.

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MAV wrote:

I found an AOH whipping scene from a Spanish-language series "Hispania" involving Ana de Armas. Guess we add this to the database at some point.

Consider it done. I added a description, download link and new page to the Whipping in TV Scenes Database. That Ana de Armas is gorgeous. Excellent whipping scene, one of the best I've seen in a long time. The extra bonus was the boobs showing through her wet dress after she gets doused with water. How come they don't show stuff like that on TV in the United States?

Here's the link to the new page: http://ralphus.net/database/azwhip/hispania.html

Of course, the gag can be the second item used also.

JohnM

Oh Lord! How could I miss this one? “Hispania” can be seen these days in my country, but I didn't know that there was a whipping scene. Shame!

Regarding U.S.-made TV series, there were a few nice torture scenes in the “Legend of the Seeker” series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnbvsQjjucs

And also in “True Blood”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvhRG07kv4E

However, I must agree that there is a scarcity of whipping scenes in US TV series. In my country, recent TV series show quite explicit whipping scenes although, unfortunately, the victims are almost always men:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi99GlKWTXU

I've just seen a teaser trailer of a new Spanish TV-series about pirates. It seems that the gorgeous Pilar Rubio tortures a man tied AOH (see 00:28 min.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVi_N3q-cFU
I should prefer to see Pilar tortured, but I must confess that being tied up and whipped by Miss Rubio is a fantasy that I find…intriguing.

If you don't know who is Pilar Rubio check out these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RviIUfjaPVo&playnext=1&list=PL4BA569BF3C010420&index=4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGEtDHAi-1g
I'll have to see “Pirates”. Who knows? Maybe Pilar will be found in a bondage scene (Please, Lord…)

AOH bondage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfit2JXt3Ko&feature=fvsr

Whipping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqq2dzIakcE&NR=1

RHI branding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXjdok4eIXg&feature=related

Girl tied AOH and almost raped
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrTabMBW3Sw&feature=channel

This is a scene from the movie “China O’Brien”, which includes a brief bondage scene: a girl in her underwear is tied to the bed, and supposedly raped/tortured (off-screen). It is not a great scene, but I remember seeing it on TV about 15 years ago, and it’s curious to find it after all this time. The scene can be seen at minute 10:16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N76c-WvvNAE

I am working on the project where it is a torture sequence by burning of a girl's pussy.

I am not going for complete realism, but I want it to look decent. If you like, please look at the footage and let me know if it looks ok.

Test Footage (warning--nudity/graphic) 1meg http://pkfstudios.com/videos/vag_burn_test1.wmv

A note about the smoke. When I was deciding on smoke color--i.e. dark or light, I learned then when flesh is burned, because of moisture, it has more of a steaming effect rather then smoky. So, let me know what you think about that as well.

Again--this is just meant to look fantasy/real, not real/real. :-)

Note--someone already pointed out to me that the chains were too slack on her feet. This was done on purpose because they were too heavy and were pulling her legs apart. I needed her feet to stay on their marks for effects reasons.

Also, while this might be too un-gimpy, the first part of this movie will be a war prisoner scene. She is bound, then later changed, humiliated and repeatedly raped. Lots of real crying in this movie.

Thanks,
JohnM

Thanks for your comments. Here is another sequence--her reactions might be better--vocally. She screamed and yelled about an hour--then lost her voice. It was loud--at least for the crew. -)

This is 2+MB and has more lead in. I slowed the smoke a bit--might look better.

Test #2

Thanks for your input.

JohnM

In looking at the last 2 clips, I was struck by the beauty of the actress, until I realized...it's Ana de Armas again! That woman is stunning. And this is what I call making good use of an actress. That's at least 3 GIMP-worthy scenes alone just for her...whipped, branded and then tied up and nearly raped, all on the same show. If "Hispania" was playing here in the states, I'd be tuning in every week for sure. That branding scene was outstanding. Check out the worried look on her face as the branding iron is heating up. Is that arousing or what?

JohnM: I really liked the flame and smoke effects! Looks realistic enough for me. The only thing that doesn't ring true in the scene is something you can't do anything about in post-production...the bound victim should be really moving around trying to avoid being burned. I know she's tied that way for a reason, but she should be swiveling her hips and doing everything she can to avoid the path of the flame.

I looked over both clips several times. To me, the first clip is better because it doesn't look as much like an effect as the second one. The first is slightly more subtle, the second looks like an overlay and therefore doesn't work as well. That's my opinion, but either way, I'll be buying this one. This is from the POW movie you told us about earlier, and I'm already sold on the content...and the girl.

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Good news...I heard from Margot this morning. They're back in the city and will resume shooting Maleficarum soon. She promised she'll be here with an update before long, so stay tuned for more.

There are nude actresses & there are nude models. The former is real rare. JohnM does some amazing work getting nude models to act. Not a easy task. We have had models start to question the reason of the video, as we covered them in blood..... We, to get through the scene, have had to go into deep philosophical explanation to help the nude model cope with acting as we ask.

Maybe some of you have experience with making extreme pornography. I'm sure some of you have never emailed a nude model or applied physical effects or edited any video.

If you all could only see video of JohnM & I flopping around 10X crazier than you all only could hope to see a nude model do. We act out how you describe that you want to see. What you see is a nude models best attempt. Nude Model....

GIMP RULES!!!

Good Hunting

MaX CoXXX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaoOMFs4qcQ&feature=channel

Ralphus - once again, don't know if you have this BATS scene already - check it out at the link - not a bad scene but they do show her mercy, in this case a keg rather than a bag - this one should have been much longer.

Stay well all

~ expensive to produce at good quality

~ illegal (in the US) to make it the way we like it

~ anathema to mainstream producers, who would much rather show gore and torture of males.

If you've read any of the past posts on this site, you know that many here have the same complaints as you do.

This site does not "produce" material - we only post about what's out there. Since you've already expressed displeasure with what's out there, I'm not sure why you expected to find something different here.

BTW, it's "waste of time and money", not "waist of time an money". Thanks for stopping by to tell us how shitty you think we all are. Great way to make friends.

I agree, for some reason number 1 sample appears more realistic, no 2 has too many effects. Too bad she has no pubes, would have loved to see them curl up.

JohnM

mr bush--the smoke effects are the real issue it seems. Some like them, some do not. It would save me hours of editing to not have them. Well see. Yes, burning her bush would have been fun.

Ralphus--yes, this is part of that prisoner of war movie. I am hoping I will be able to release it before Christmas.

I have another you may like that I will release soon as well. It contains a very violent whipping. The whipping is real--welts and all. Then, I enhanced the wounds even more. It is bloody, however--I know you do not like blood much.

Thanks,
JohnM

YikYakker-what stuff is illegal here in the US? I thought bound penetration was illegal but we've seen what I consider to be vanilla sites (kink.com, f****dandbound.com) use that and PKF has employed that also, so I dont know what's out of bounds.

YikYakker-what stuff is illegal here in the US?

I'm the wrong person to ask. All I know is that some producers have posted here saying that they have to operate under certain artistic constraints so they don't land in jail. Maybe one or more of them can write in and explain that in more detail.

Regarding the photos and videos being amateurish, what particularly are you referring to? We seldom ever get videos posted here, other than a few previews from Powershotz and PKF. For the photos, are you referring to the daily pictures? I'm the one who chooses those; I'm surprised you think they're vanilla. I have a lot of extreme shit in my collection but if I chose pics that are too nasty and explicit, we'd probably have people tuning out. I have an idea of what people like and dislike around here based on past comments over the years.

But if you've got any pictures that you feel can make the site better, send 'em to me and I'll see about running them. This site belongs to all of you, I just moderate it.

As far as the gag poll, yeah, it's more of a Brian's Pagey type question compared to the extreme type of stuff we normally talk about, but on the other hand, it got a lot of new people to step out and give their opinions and that's a good thing. If you're a true bondage fan, you shouldn't be bored of talking about gags because they are an essential aspect of the fetish.

I do know what you mean about wanting to see something extreme. I think a lot of us do. Like MAV, I think Inquisition Live's material comes closest to the type of movie I'd like to see. They have great intentions, but mostly, I think their stuff is dull and drawn out. On the other hand, I trust Jane and the rest of the Red Feline team that Maleficarum will be done right...if I didn't, I wouldn't have invested my own money to help get it made.

The two "test" videos were terrible...they started looking good in the first few seconds, but the woman didn't move correctly if there was actually a fire between her legs..it looked phoney...besides a fire lapping at a beautiful woman is not sexy...a heated iron, or the glowing tip of a hot needle pressed between her legs looks much better...A good director would make it look like a hot iron was being pressed between a woman's legs by a camera angle...this would placate any law, that I really think doesn't really exist...I'd love to know anybody else's ideas in what the difference is of what makes a great torture session and the ones they try to pass of on us now.

...a fire lapping at a beautiful woman is not sexy...

Whoa, I couldn't let that one go by without a response. Gotta agree to disagree with ya there, buddy. I happen to think beautiful women and fire are two great things that go together perfectly, just like chocolate and peanut butter. There is nothing sexier in my book than a tied-up and frightened woman who is squirming to avoid the dancing flames that are threatening to do harm to her. But then I guess everyone who knows me already knows I feel that way.

I wasn't saying your site was vanilla and boring..even though a lot of it is.

LOL! So you're not saying we're boring and vanilla, even though we are? Okay, then. If I ever heard a left-handed compliment, that was it!

The TV drama Hispania is produced in Spain. But “puritanical New World”? Exqueeze me? Most countries in the Western Hemisphere are Spanish-speaking. And, judging by the material available on YouTube, no Spanish-language telenovela is complete without a few GIMP scenes -- bondage, whipping, rape, almost-rape. Latin audiences seem to have a particular fondness for historical dramas set in colonial times, which inevitably means a slave or two (preferably female, natch) will get whipped at some point. And there’s no shortage of GIMPage in present-day telenovelas either. (See link above for the classic Prisionera whipping scene. Good stuff starts at 5:59)

Boring...... HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!

GIMP RULES!!!

MaX

All the recent talk about burning of a woman's pussy and JohnM's test samples have reminded me of a scenario that I used to often imagine. Although I am not into BATS scenarios, there is one scenario that involves fire & women that I would be interested in.

It goes a little like this, the victim is secured in a standing position with her legs spread. She is secured by chains at her ankles and wrists. There is a large lit candle positioned on a stand directly below her pubes and it is elevated just high enough for the very tip of the flame to come into contact with her pussy. The chains have a slight bit of slack in them, but not enough to allow the girl to escape the flame entirely.

The best she can do is move slightly to the side, forward, or backward. She can't however move far enough to escape the flame reguardless of what direction she moves in. Her tormentor is watching her via a hidden camera from another room, and he is laughing maniacally as she screams her head off.

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Thoughts on the recent sample clips:

I liked the effort, and the screams were pretty good, IMO.

However, the scene falls short. I think the model is doing pretty good with her acting, but the production is what is bad.

The restraints (particularly noticeable in scene one) are horrible. Look guys, think Quoom here. Look at some of his artwork to develop a better mindset about restraints for extreme tortures. The girl is going to reflexively jump as soon as the burning kicks in. She must be restrained from doing this at any angle. Tied to a ladder, stretched, duct-tapped up to an X-frame-whatever. But she can't have freedom of movement when a burning torture is used.

I had a wonderful girlfriend who let me try something once. She actually let me poke her outer labia with a hot needle for just a second (I know, she is amazing). What happens is a slight hissing sound, an extreme reaction--she wasn't restrained so she sat upright and started to let out a major scream--but by then I had already pulled the needle back.

So if she had been restrained, and the scream released in full force, she would have started thrashing about like crazy.

Now speaking in terms of what I've watched on video, to me, the GOLD STANDARD of extreme torture scenes is an electro-torture one from an obscure foreign flick call Bordel SS. It is listed in the electro-scenes database, and I found the clip on a Female Punishment in Movies paysite.

Good hands-over-head restraint, topless actress, screams, jerking motions during some of the shock applications... that scene is just gold--like the rare finds you speak of, mstrerotics.

The actress in those sample clips is doing good, but I would love it if you would bind her up in something. Even a chair with the bottom cut-out (like they did to Bond) would make that scene come alive.

Also, flame torture signifies a punishment from the long, forgotten past (modern torture would dictate electro-shocks). So...

Put long, blonde hair extensions on her too! Tell her that her Viking companions slaughtered innocent women and children during their last raid, and that it is a real shame that when they were finally defeated by the King's men, she (one of their wives) was taken alive. Now she will pay the price for such folly.

Then it would be the best scene in history. ;)

Another time when I am the "anti-you". I really don't care for fire as an instrument of torture and the idea of burnt flesh is nauseating not erotic, to me.

You see, this was a mock up of a drawing in which the girl was suspended by 4 chains over a device like I have in the scene.

My job was to translate that imagery to a movie, on a budget of about $600 with an amateur actress who, under normal conditions, lives on her parent's farm and ride horses. In fact, most of my actress on not in the industry. So, results may very.

We opted not to actually suspend her. While she may have been able to hold the position for a short time, the process of taking her up and down would have extended the time to shoot the production way beyond the budget to allow. So, we opted to have her feet planted on the ground.

The problem this posed was that, with an a tad over an hour scheduled for this part of the movie, I needed her in a position that she could hold. Legs has to be far enough apart for the fire device, but no too far as to cause cramping over time. She ended up being taken down 4-5 times in that hour...mostly, for sore arms or the chain pinching.

Chains are heavy. While I could have used fake, plastic chains, the process of replacing all that sound would have, again, blew the budget in post production time. When tight, the chains caused her to move her legs out--it was too much to hold for long periods. However, I needed her pussy to remain the same distance above the fire for effects reasons. So, we modified the chain to lay on the ground--relieving tension.

Finally, movement. Because the chains were loose, she would be able to movie way too much and there was the risk of pinching her skin (trust me--it hurts). So, with suspension of disbelief in play, it would be assumed that, she could not. This, of course will work for some, not for others. In retrospect, I would have had her wiggle/shake more a little, but the primary fetish element of this custom was constant wailing and screaming. I have always felt that roasting scenarios were, in fact, way over the top and needed lots of suspension of disbelief. Even back to my first roasting with Janice---there was little movement--but, a lot of screaming.

My reason for posting the sample was to get the impression on the fire effect and smoke effect so that I could make modifications when I go to actually do the real edit next month. It takes hours to apply those effects and I just wanted input. Mostly, I was seeing if people cared for the smoke. Across all the forums I posted, it was a wash--some want the smoke, some don't.

But, for those that wanted something more realistic--sorry about the chains and limited movement. The chains simply were not working as planned. The model lives 3 hours away, so it is hard to test these things first.....no one wants to travel unless they are making money. I cannot pay them unless I am doing a production. I cannot create a set to test something when other sets are already in place for paid productions, etc.

Anyhow, thanks for your comments--they are greatly appreciated!

JohnM

It is a predictable kidnap drama. All of us on the gimp board have thought of stories similar to this, I know I have. There are a couple plot twists but nothing too unpredictable.

Gimp-wise, there is the abduction scene, where the woman is dragged into the room and tied to the bed, All of her clothes are cut off, and she is photographed naked. If you like ballgags, you will not be disappointed. Gemma Artreton is ballgagged over and over again in this movie, and they really strap it on. She is slapped, threatened with a knife, later on one of the kidnappers slaps the living shit out of her. About halfway through the movie, she gets free, gets the drop on one of her kidnappers and almost gets away, but he manages to get her into the corner and chokes her into unconsciousness by pressing his foot against her neck until she passes out.

It's a tense situation. At the very end it looks like it could go the way of that old 80's slasher film DEAD GIRLS, and maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, I'm the kinda guy who doesn't like to give plot spoilers. But as far as this movie goes, it's a good one, both as a story and as a gimp movie, so I recommend you all give it a try if you're interested.

Spoilers:

There are a couple scenes of genuine humiliation. The first time she has to pee, she is gagged and cuffed spread eagled to the bed. She indicates that she has to pee, and one of the kidnappers brings in a tupperware piss bottle, pulls her pants down, and makes her piss in the bottle without untying her at all. She is really mortified and at first she can't, but she can't hold it and it comes flooding out (by the sound), and she starts bawling from the humiliation.

Later on, she has to crap. The kidnapper uncuffs her and gives her a bucket. He doesn't let her take off her gag, and she has to squat and try to crap in this bucket while he's standing there holding a gun on her. She can't, and begs him (great gag-talking) to give her some privacy.

DHT, I agree with you assessments about Alice Creed for the most part. I must admit I found it disappointing on one hand and exhilarating on the other. I was exhilarated in the fact that a mainstream film with a fairly well known actress would go this far. But I was disappointed in the possibilities missed. I think what hurt the film the most was the bag over Miss Atterton's head. IMO while Miss Atterton is attractive her best feature is certainly her face and it was obscured much of the movie. To me GIMP loses its impact when the reactions of the victim aren’t apparent. On the plus side the peeing scene was a great humiliation scene, and the stripping scene would have been phenomenal had her face been visible. I would rate it a solid A- and comparable to some of the better products of the 70’s which is really saying something.

In fact it may be ahead of the 70’s products on one level, it is not a B movie with a B actress. Despite our romantic visions of the 70’s golden era, most of those movies were straight to VHS B Movies, not first run theater stuff. This movie was a first run flick in the UK I believe.

Now on gags or no gags. It’s not a scene killer for me. While there is something about the look of fear of a captured women that is pleading thru a gag for mercy, I also appreciate interrogation sequences where the women comes to the awful realization that even screaming won't help.

MISATRONIC, I couldn't agree more about most of the BSDM/Torture sites on the Internet. They are sadly lacking in believable nonconsensual content. One of the things that are missing is the aftermath, if a girl has been rapped or really tortured, I want to see her collapsed in a heap when she is untied. I want to see the women shaking, huddled in the fetal position, which is the way a victim of real torture or rape would respond. There are very few commercial efforts that have this element ( I can think of a few GIGA films). This was one thing the golden age of the 70’s B films DID have.

Think about all of Jack Bauer’s travails on "24". He was captured at least three times and subjected to beatings and electrical tortures that had significant on screen durations. Can you ever recall a female heroine as a victim of the same kind of treatment? The double standard on mainstream TV is absurd, much less movies.

As far as your Don Quixote pursuit I agree. I must admit, most of the GIGA stuff fails because it appears to be getting more formulaic. And it may be the best stuff available right now. I find myself more and more just settling for glimpses on mainstream content. UUGHH!

Speaking of which, Does anyone know where I can get the clips of Lyndsy Fonseca's electrical torture scene in the recent Nikita? I can find the clip, but not in a form I can make a file out of.

mstrerotics - had you given me one million guesses at the term you wanted to use to describe this forum I'm pretty sure I would have used all those up and then some before I got to "vanilla" - this band of sick twisted perverts is as bizarre and diverse as one could imagine - and if it is sometimes boring it's not because we don't want the productions - there simply aren't many out there and the frustration runs deep - it probably would have been a far better entry to state your level of disappointment with the material available than to make this humble forum the object of your scorn.

Stay well all

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BATS scenes: The actual burning of a victim doesn't ring my bell. However, the threat of burning can make for some excellent struggles and expressions of terror, for example, if the woman is bound and doused in gasoline and the evil villain flicks a lighter nearby.

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DHT and elkcreek: Thanks for the information about "The Disappearance of Alice Creed." It sounds like it works on a number of levels, although I really do detest bags over the head.

If you like ballgags, you will not be disappointed. Gemma Artreton is ballgagged over and over again in this movie, and they really strap it on.

That's music to my ears. I could espouse further, but I wouldn't want to bore anyone here with a long-winded post about gags.

Ralphus - once again, don't know if you have this BATS scene already - check it out at the link - not a bad scene but they do show her mercy, in this case a keg rather than a bag - this one should have been much longer.

I did have that BATS scene already, but thanks for the link, since probably quite a few others hadn't seen it. That scene could have been great, since the victim is awfully cute, but I hate mercy bags, or in this case, a mercy keg of gunpowder which ruined all the fun way too quickly. If you're going to all the trouble to burn her at the stake, do it right and let us really enjoy her suffering. It's still a worthwhile scene, though.

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jhlipton wrote:

Another time when I am the "anti-you". I really don't care for fire as an instrument of torture and the idea of burnt flesh is nauseating not erotic, to me.

Believe it or not, I'm the same way. I don't find the idea of burnt flesh appealing, I like the suspense of seeing the woman's realization of her fate. To me, the most exciting part of a burning scene happens before any burning occurs, which is the reason why I posted the picture of Ana de Armas' worried face as she sees the branding iron heating up, rather than the actual branding itself. Don't get me wrong, though, I definitely like watching them burn and suffer, but the charred flesh aftermath...not as much fun.

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JohnM wrote: yes, this is part of that prisoner of war movie. I am hoping I will be able to release it before Christmas.

Cool! Rape, torture and burning pussies for Christmas! In other words, just another typical holiday season at the Ralphus household.

I have another you may like that I will release soon as well. It contains a very violent whipping. The whipping is real--welts and all. Then, I enhanced the wounds even more. It is bloody, however--I know you do not like blood much.

Real whipping...welts and all? If you had that, you probably didn't need to enhance the wounds. I've seen so many fake whippings where they go overboard with the red paint. Too much blood destroys the beauty of a woman. But definitely let us know when that gets released.

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MAV: Hank Hobbs had posted the link for the Bordel SS electro scene at his group. It's a great scene, although every time I watch it, I can never really tell exactly how the woman is being shocked. It never looks like the cable is even touching her skin when you see the sparks. But the woman does appear to be suffering and in a great deal of pain during her torture, which is why it's so effective.

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DHT: Great report on The Disappearance of Alice Creed. That's one I've been waiting on for a long time. Now that it's out, I put it #1 in my Netflix queue. I think you've given us enough information that it qualifies for our Reviews section, so give me a letter grade and I'll add it for you.

How much nudity do we get, just the one stripping scene? And I really like the humiliation scenes you described about forcing her to go to the bathroom while she's still tied up. That was one aspect I really liked about the movie La Orca when I reviewed it a while back, where the girl is sobbing as she's led to the bathroom and forced to pee with her hands still tied behind her.

That’s a good point, and I couldn’t agree more.

Two memorable “collapsed in a heap” mainstream scenes were done by Monica Bellucci in Malena (beaten) and Irreversible (raped).

Some asphyx and strangling fans here have commented in the past about how the death of the victim is like the climax of sex; it’s finishing the job. I feel the same way about whipping scenes (without the death). When the victim is finally spent or passed out, it’s a satisfying whipping. (Of course, it’s even better when they throw water in her face and do it again, as in the Hispania scene recently posted by Gonzaullus). Jane von Detlefson always “dies” at the end of her movies, but she also did a nice passed-out-after-whipping take while slumped to her knees and tied to a tree at the end of Perils of Jane, Episode 1. Now that’s good GIMPage.

On another note I took much of the comments to heart when I had worked with Jade Indica last winter, and we created a DVD called "Bending Her Will" the primary thrust, if you will, was to be more mean and to make things look as real as they possibly could. A girl who was out clubbing and cockteasing comes home and gets taken sexual hostage in her own home by one of the guys she was teasing. I played it with total GIMP members in mind. Meaning there was no levity and the interaction between Jade and myself was edgy.

To date I feel it one of my best efforts in that regard. I was promptly rewarded by Adult DVD Empire pulling it off of their shelves saying it was too realistic. So my distributor is now concerned that things don't get too real looking. For what its worth Blakemore/Whitman has asked me if we can work together again and I naturally yes, it would be my honor. He will write the script as he always does and this time we will follow it with enough time. Please advise me as to what model you might want to see get torn up by the guy. I am going to stay very much in the background on this one and just keep him focused. Remember I can only afford one model so please understand that I am very much limited by the $$ factor. I am looking forward to your input.

The one liberty I am taking is to pre-title this effort and call it "Cock Tease" The story of a sexy chick who loves to torment men and tease them by wearing very sexy clothing in public, I think you know the rest as it goes.

I don't know anything about the current stars available to work in bondage films in the U.S. But I would say you should look for a woman who can match Max Mikita's attractiveness and sexiness, her strong acting skills, and has a nice body with natural breasts.

Interesting too was that my copy of "Alice Creed" included a preview of "I Spit on Your Grave - Unrated". That will certainly be worth a look. But from the reviews on IMDB, I'm keeping my expectations low. Looks like the revenge scenes are much more a central part of the movie than they were in the original.

...we created a DVD called "Bending Her Will"...To date I feel it one of my best efforts in that regard. I was promptly rewarded by Adult DVD Empire pulling it off of their shelves saying it was too realistic.

Is there any way to purchase that DVD now?

ZFX films are totally nonconsensual fantasies and they get released, and certainly, the stuff that NicheClips covers have horrible death scenes and you can at least download them, even if you can't buy DVDs. Online downloads are the wave of the future anyway.

Make the kind of movies you want to make. If they're good, someone will distribute them for you. Even though Adult DVD Empire is acting like a pussy, a quick check revealed that Bending Her Will is available for purchase here and available for download here.

There's definitely an audience for bondage films that come off as real and nonconsensual. I won't buy 99% of the crap that's out there, but for something like that, I'll whip out the card. Don't compromise your art to be safe and like everyone else.

Good to hear that Blakemore wants to work with you again. As for who to work with, I don't know all the models out there, but I would much rather see Canadian's choice over Cherry Torn. She may indeed be great performer, but from what I can see, she has 2 looks, bleach blonde pixie haircut or pink fright wig. Plus she's got studs through her nipples. Thumbs down from me.

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Delila Darling: You're 23 years old! A bit young to be retiring, don't you think? But yeah, I know, that's typical for an adult performer. And if you had to make a film with a bondage company, I can't think of too many better than Hardcore Abductions. I know we don't hear much about them here, but they make real hardcore bondage rape films. Quite a feather in Silverback's hat to recruit you for one of his films. I'll be getting that one for sure.

Sudden thought...how about a comeback film with John Blakemore?

Interesting too was that my copy of "Alice Creed" included a preview of "I Spit on Your Grave - Unrated". That will certainly be worth a look. But from the reviews on IMDB, I'm keeping my expectations low. Looks like the revenge scenes are much more a central part of the movie than they were in the original.

Actually, Vince reviewed this film recently, and I generally agreed with his assessment. For my money, some of the degradation scenes were pretty good, but the rapes were disappointing.

The scenes of the victim getting her revenge were quite good (one was a bit gross) -- arguably better than the GIMP moments. I'm not sure what to make of that, but that's how it was.

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Ralphus: What a delightfully wicked suggestion. When I read Sgt Major's post, I immediately thought of how awesome it would be if he used Delila for his shoot. I dismissed the idea because I thought a Blakemore scene would be much more extreme than Delila is comfortable doing. As if I know what her comfort level is.

But the idea is pretty exciting. She is so incredibly hot, and does such a convincing job of coming across as haughty and combative, that a no-holds-barred Blakemore shoot would crackle with energy. That would have been a contest of wills (and stamina) worth paying for.

I vote for Stacy Keibler.

But if she's busy, maybe Anastasia Pierce.

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Gags in bondage: Yea or Nay? And explain why

In this poll, I say yea and nay. I like variety.

I vote for Stacy Keibler.

She is definitely hot. However, she loses at least one point for her recent breast implants.

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Much better. Now kick away that stool and enjoy the show

Nahh, let's not kick that stool away. Not quite yet anyway. If that rope is rigged to tighten around her neck, we could end up with a dead victim. We don't want that now, do we? I've got a better idea...

Let's rig up some kind of system that fixes the tightness of the rope around her neck so it remains unchanged and uses a secondary rope hidden from her view to support her wieght. This way we can kick that stool away and watch her struggle to keep from suffocating without knowing that she is safe from that danger.

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A Canadian wrote:

[Stacy Kiebler]is definitely hot. However, she loses at least one point for her recent breast implants.

She should lose two. Why, Stacy, why? *sob*

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When was the last time you saw a paperback book cover like this?

And this one is just plain bizarre.

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Gonzaullus: Damn, I wish I understood Spanish. I also wish those Romans in Hispania would just rip the dresses right off those babes.

Still, they are beautiful and I like their reactions. Thanks for continuing to find and post these scenes.

As long as we're on the topic of wrestling divas, ringdivas.com put out another "Torture Rack of Death" match featuring the ridiculously hot (and enhanced?) Destiny Dumon.

I'm definitely on the "lets make Stacy Keibler the next GIMP" bandwagon, but I didnt see anything on the web pointing to her getting implants. Everything I found talked about how she was the only WWE diva to never get enhanced.

When she was in WCW and WWE, she bucked the trend and didn't get implants. She even did an interview where she said she wouldn't go that route.

However, in recent photos, it certainly looks like she changed her mind. Check out the before and after photos in this thread.

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When your attorney advises you to get out of the business you need to ask yourself if there might be some nugget of truth in what he is saying.

Go buy something and give thanks to Delila Darling and others that need to get through school, raise kids or make payments with the help of exploitationist producers to satisfy a demented customer base!

Click on the link above for the latest preview video.

Here are my picks. I don't know what area of the US you're in, so I'll just throw out names:

Dahlia Delis

Goldie Blair

Wednesday Harrington

Harmony

Trina Michaels

Wenona

Caroline Pierce

Rachel Steele

Hey, YikYakker. I hope you meant your comments in a good way. ;-)

I sure did. I've been visiting your site every day since the beginning of time and recommend it to all here.

I appreciate the work you put into it. Some may find the materials tame - even "vanilla" ;) - by GIMP standards, but whatever one may think of them, they are always, always interesting.

With entries spanning an entire century, your collection is a testament to the universal theme of women in peril/bondage.

Consequently, many of the suggestions I have read on the forum involve models who possess a high tolerance for, if not a strong desire to experience, pain. It takes an exceptionally talented performer to hide that tolerance (if not pleasure) and substitute it with fear and pain. I mean absolutely no disrespect to the performers we all know and love, but strong acting skills are simply not the talents normally selected for in the industry.

So, I vote for someone who is not a pain slut. And without distracting tattoos, piercings, wild hair, or bizarre makeup. But who is beautiful, with an incredibly hot (preferably natural) body. And is willing to take that kind of old school abuse. And comes across as a strong adversary who is brutally forced into submission, apparently against her will.

I liked the idea of Delila Darling, because I saw her bitchy, combative side in a couple of Powershotz videos, and she is most definitely not a pain slut. Alas, but for her "retirement." But, you know, someone like that. No one comes readily to mind, so I may need to browse back through my collection and see if there's someone I've forgotten about.

But she definitely enjoys it, or at least is turned on by it. What a gal, huh?

Meanwhile, for those looking for real-life depictions of degradation, be sure to check out the link in my url.

In, say, the Red Feline films we know how the victim got there and she did not arrive at the point of torture of her own free will. She was either seized by the Inquisition, stumbled into the wrong place at the wrong time or, my favorite, is being interrogated. The latter is the case of the Amber Rayne pieces she did for Gruesome Horror.

The problem John Galt has with her seeming to enjoy the pain too much is another manifestation of this. My issue is I cannot suspend my disbelief enough to get to that point to start with. All that being said a couple of those clips have piqued my interest enough that I just might have to give it a try...

In any case thanks to both of you for your suggestions.

Now another question: The movie website labels the movie as Not Rated and Unrated is even in the title. Netflix says its version is rated "R". Anyone know if there are different cuts and how to find the version that we all lean toward??

Regarding the burning vag scene I agree with the comments referencing movement and restraint. But the issue of legality always puzzled me. What is or what is not legal to put on film?

I hope that one of the producers can shed some light on the subject. I'm a big Damian fan and would some day like to see his pics turned into videos. Can real models be used to do this or must it be illustrated?

What is or what is not legal to put on film?

I hope that one of the producers can shed some light on the subject.

I too would like to have this clarified (see below).

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Steve Power wrote:

...we can't shoot what people want to see without risk of going to jail and make a buck at the same time.

Like Bman, I'm interested in finding out exactly what it is that puts a film over the line and causes that risk.

Steve also wrote:

If you want the price of the product to come down and for the producers to be able to shoot what you want them to shoot then you need to write to your banks and tell them to grant us a merchant account.

Now, I'm willing to do that as long as I can do it right and not make a fool of myself. I'm wondering what such a letter should contain? How should it be written? And under what circumstances?

Organizations that work for causes often have letter templates that they circulate through their web sites or newsletters; these serve as a model for their members and supporters to write to their congressional representatives or whatever.

It would be great if there were a similar template for GIMPers to write to their banks. I'd devise it myself but I have no idea what to say. Has anyone out there ever done this?

As to what's legal and what's not, the problem is there's nothing defined anywhere where it says you may show this but you cannot show that. It would be a lot easier if people knew, but they deliberately keep it vague, which means "obscenity" is whatever a judge or a prosecutor decides it is. Especially during the past administration, adult producers were the subject of a government witch hunt where many were threatened with prosecution and a few, most notably Rob Black and Max Hardcore, actually were sent to prison just for making movies. Were their movies truly obscene? Doubt it, but it doesn't matter if the government is out to get you. So as an adult filmmaker, you're always putting yourself on the line if you create art that's out of the mainstream.

For a while, it was widely accepted that you could not show hardcore intercourse coupled with bondage. Over the years, though, the line has blurred slightly where now you can show bondage fucking as long as it's shown to be consensual. A good example of this is Kink.com, the largest bondage producer in the US, that routinely shows women tied up during sex but also covers their ass before and after by filming the models initially agreeing to the action, then showing them afterward saying how much they enjoyed it.

As for the pussy burning, I think it's fairly obvious that John Marshall's test footage shows a clear simulation and the actress was not being harmed. That certainly helps his case if the prosecutors happen to catch a peek at the stuff he's putting out.

I agree with you about Damian's work. I'm also a big fan. As far as turning his artworks into movies, I dunno. Some of his stuff is really harsh. You can go a lot further in artworks than you can in movies. Honestly, the closest thing I can think of that matches his Inquisition-themed fantasies is, ironically, the movie we've been talking about here over the past few months, Maleficarum. At least that's the plan. It's going to be chock full of tortures, many of which are similar to the type of artworks he creates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbprXVTcAFg&feature=fvw

DHT - thanks for that subtle YouTube link - found that to be a nice mix of eerie, erotic and highly stylish - and the lady is quite gorgeous to boot - clicked on a couple of links and found this one there as well - one of my favorite "failed rape" scenes - she does pay a high price for her defiance in the end.

Bman - welcome aboard - I'm sure you will find many of us here doing God's work.

I'm a fairly private person myself, and in my entire life, this forum has pretty much been the only place I've really discussed my perversions. It's very therapeutic, considering the posters here, for the most part, are just "normal," intelligent people with dark fetishes. Keep on posting!

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There have been a number of good choices, but I think Amber Rayne would be good in Sgt. Major's "Cock Tease." Blakemore/Whitman did say he enjoyed working with Amber, and he wouldn't fail to really push her to her limits. But the main reason I think she'd be good is because Sarge described the movie as "the story of a sexy chick who loves to torment men and tease them by wearing very sexy clothing in public."

I think Amber Rayne would be excellent in that role. She's damn sexy with a naturally hot body, she can act, and she often flashes a flirtatious look that just screams out "cock tease."

If not Amber, I'll be unoriginal and vote for Delila Darling as her swan song. Or Nika Noire if you could reverse that atrocious boob job she got. She also has that great "cock tease" look.

sgtmajor wrote: I am settled in to watch my Detroit Lions lose yet again.

A Lions' fan? I thought you were a sadist, not a masochist :-)

But that device they choked her with sure works quickly. I wonder what that thing is called? I'm making up my list for Santa.

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Sloth: Wow, another lovely victim on YouTube. Is Naked Massacre the name of the movie? Does anyone know who the girl is? I like those feisty, dark-haired ones. And look, her hands are tied behind her back.

But it would have been great to see the dude rip the clothing off of her before strangling her.

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Bman: I like to think of us as the "normal" ones...but there would certainly be quite an argument about that. :D

I am sorry for my late reply to your comments. I wish to thank everyone for speaking out regarding this DVD. Amber would be great and can pull off the chick in pain very well, in fact if there were a script she can rise to the occasion very well. We just did a custom job for another bondage H.O.M. lover and she was excellent.

I know what gimpers want, they want a realistic looking exchange and some believable torture with chicks that have minimal tats and who don't seem to enjoy the pain. Getting a fresh face to go through this especially with Blakemore/Whitman is going to be a huge challenge. I really did want to go beyond the typical kink.com shoot and get into the dark side of things. What Ralphus had stated in his comments to me regarding Adult DVD Empire is a major reason why the Blakemore return has never been released. So I have some balls to juggle here and I don't mean my own either.

Number one is getting the girl who can take it and who passes muster with the guys, and you are a hard bunch to impress at times. The second is to make a movie mean and dark enough to please a demanding throng of pervs and still not get my nuts in a ringer, this is where ZFX is a real example to follow in this business. Then I have to come up with the cash to float this thing, usually speaking a girl to do that will run every bit of $1500 then I have to fly her and Blakemore in all totaled it could hit well over $2500 so I will keep you posted.

Number one is getting the girl who can take it and who passes muster with the guys, and you are a hard bunch to impress at times.

If it helps, I like an actress who looks and acts like this.

http://www.hogtied.com/site/shoots.jsp?c=2

Gabrielle left this morning, she's a protagonist in Barbazul, Jane's second feature as a director. Jane is very, very sad, she loves Gabrielle a lot and they have a lot of fun working together. Here's a picture of Gabrielle naked in bed with JJ while Jane directs them.

I digress. So, Gabrielle left, she had her last shooting day yesterday, we had a little farewell party and woke up at 4 am to take her to the airport, for a 7 am flight to France. We still have some scenes to shoot for Barbazul, and after we're done with them we'll give our attention fully to Maleficarum, the film all of you are waiting to hear about. But I have to say that Barbazul is a very gimpy film as well, with 5 ladies falling into the hands of evil Barbazul who...

Knowing Jane, as you all do by now, she had some really nasty plans for the ladies.

Maleficarum will be released as scheduled. The shooting delays don't alter our post production schedule.

We're releasing many films beginning February and we're very excited about that. We're getting a lot of attention here. Jane's film, the one playing in a theater, already in its 20th week is one of the ten movies that sold the most tickets this year. That includes all the Hollywood movies released here. It's really nice to pick up our money every week.

So, Jane is very enthusiastic about the work we're doing and very anxious to complete Maleficarum, specially those two scenes that are going to be the hardest. The Roasting and the Burning. Meanwhile, the torture scenes are looking great, really great. Ralphus mentioned Damian's work. Well, we're getting the right look for the film. Jane calls it the "awesome look".

I'll have more to say later and I'll have the famous post ready soon. I'll get more involved in responding to some of the posts here. Anyone interested in hearing from JJ himself? Just asking. Jane will be back to posting soon. She's seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Ciao.

Margot