A Canadian - I think you'll agree today's cover post says it far better than words ever could.

Howie - bad reviews on IMDB on Dark Reality? - I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you - I'll be ordering it today.

Buckeye - another Whitman trademark was he generally left his models in panties - there are a couple of scenes but with the camera angles and lighting there is not much display in that area - that shot on the cover is about the best you get in this flick.

Natasha

Soooooo, does this mean you're on board for the "North of the Border" series? This could be an epic saga that would rival "The Godfather" trilogy:).

Stay Well All

Hey Gimpers,

I remember seeing Tourist Trap and thinking it was pretty good. However, if your into breast torture, Tourist Trap 2, is a much better film.

Here's the good news, if you join Red's Realm of Romantic Restraint at http://www.reds-realm.net/map.html. You can download these movies and a bunch of the old HOM mini flicks for FREE!

To Natasha:

Great stories, sorry to hear about trip to France, you're lucky, actually we're lucky that your experience didn't scar you for life and turn you off from this stuff.

But regarding the blonde , and why no tits are shown....hum. How do I put this? SHE HAS NONE! Personally, I'm not a big tit guy, regular size is fine with me. But SHE is flat as a board. Pretty girl otherwise, but just two nipples on a flat chest. So, I decided that it would be best to leave things to the imagination rather than expose this unfortunate fact. But you asked.

AES has some good pluses to them, but definite minuses.

Pluses:
Their actors. Kristi Lee, Jordan Berlin, Lindsey Sinclaire, Lauryn Richards are simply breathtaking and great actresses, especially Lindsey.

The storylines. White slavery, kidnapping, ransom, are all favorite storylines of mine. Plus the alien abduction movie with Lindsey was simply awesome!

Minuses:
Too much focus on bondage. Simply put, watching a girl roll around in bondage for 3/4s of the movie can get repetitive and boring after awhile.

Not enough action. When you focus on the girls rolling around for 3/4s of the movie, you can't get action in there, some torture, simulated rape, more escape attempts, etc.

Basically, if AES could be combined with producers who offer more action and torture, like dizdat or ZFX, you'd have the greatest bondage producers ever! Give me Lindsey and Jordan in the Jackbooth Job and you'd have the greatest movie ever!

You posted in September that there are plans for Erotix, the German BDSM purveyors that do tit bondage especially well, to launch a site, and that you expected it to be up in 45 days. Are those plans still on? If so, are you on schedule or does it look like the launch will be delayed? Any information would be appreciated!

For those of you that don't know what I am talking about, Erotix produces bondage movies with some excellent tit bondage - but there stuff is very hard to get a hold of. Check these links for some of their video covers:

http://image.vodconcepts.com/image/large/739/73958.large.jpg

http://image.vodconcepts.com/image/large/739/73903.large.jpg

http://image.vodconcepts.com/image/large/739/73907.large.jpg

Thanks for the note, we are not on schedule. By this time I was wanting to have the Barrix completely redone and well underway for Fetishtied.com, that's the name of the new site that Erotix would supply the bondage and we would run. I can say work is getting done but not to the degree I had hoped! When things do open up I will let you know and send you a free month pass. Also thanks for stopping by my briefing room and leaving a comment.

Well that sucks!

Howie, the term "unnecessary nudity" should only be used in a review when it refers to Richard Gere.

Ralphus, sorry, but "The Torturer" I saw was on loan from a horror fan acquaintance. She picked it up on a recent swing through Europe. I'm also trying to order a subtitled or dubbed version, but have had no luck so far. Hope there's a sequel.

I also think horror movies are getting more explicit concerning violence against women. Has anyone heard anything about "Hostel 2?" I believe it's about three female tourists this time.

The Bob Hebert column was interesting, yet I cringe whenever an incident involving female victims gets linked to porn. The asshole who killed all those poor girls at the Amish school was a child-molesting nutcase. Was there any evidence to suggest that sites like "Ravished Bride" led to his crimes?

Porn, especially B&D, S&M and rape stuff, seems to be a convenient target these days for all of society's ills. But on this forum, I don't recall anyone promoting or condoning rapes or beatings of women in real life. We all have watched actors and actresses performing some of the most violent and degrading acts against women on video and DVD, but I believe we are all appalled by acts of violence in real life.

I wish the media and politicians would stop promoting the idea that all people who view violent porn are a menace to society. Just my 2 cents.

Thanks a bunch for the update! I am very glad to hear that the plans are still on. Between the boxcutter stuff you do and the melon packing work Andreas does, you will be covering the whole bondage gambit!

Has anyone heard anything about "Hostel 2?" I believe it's about three female tourists this time.

Wow, really? That's very good news. I never bothered to see the first one when I heard it was about guys being tortured. I mean, what's the point of that? Sounds like they're finally going to do it right this time.

I checked the IMDB. Here's one of the girls that supposed to be in it: Lauren German. Now that girl would very hot bound and gagged and suffering, agreed? She's got "victim" written all over her face.

Buckeye: Glad you liked the pic, but that was nothing compared to this one. Check out my Homepage URL for a girl with a REALLY hairy pussy.

I strongly recommend the original "Bittersweet Revenge" as better than Tourist Trap. Rene Baker is her usual best all throughout and really gets it as Whitman ties her, orally rapes her, abuses her, and rapes her before the end... I never cared much for Van Helsing (too much of the cheap hooker look), but she gets it pretty thoroughly, too, if you find her interesting.

Another one you can find is Master Control, with Sharon Long, another full-breasted (natural) lovely in a mind-control (duh) scenario.

There is also Curiosity Excited the Kat, with Sharon Long, and Caught, which I think has Rene Baker in it (there were two similar storylines around that time, one with and one without).

Also to be found are the various Bondage Classics, which comprise HoM silent stills from the later 70s and early 80s.

Some to recall are Sign! (Sharon Long), Breast Bondage (Rene Baker) and Bondage By Prescription (Baker again).

These, unfortunately, are all substantially edited from their original form, with the strongest abuse cut out for the later video releases. Often you can see a tiny bit of fade-in showing how the missing scene started before it abruptly cuts. The (still excellent) whipping scene in Sign! is missing at least one excellent fondling scene.

One thing to keep your eye open for is Bound & Delivered. Oddly enough, This tape is missing most of its rape scene -- but the missing part actually shows up on the very end of another of the BC tapes, and could be spliced in, if you can find it. I can't recall which one either is on, unfortunately.

@Foo Tan - Nice memories of the classic hom/calstar stuff

did a google search on "The Torturer Lamberto Bava" and came up with this info ... note the links at the bottom of the article w/photos.

The film begins with Natasha coming down the stairs of her home. She calls her husband and tells him she's enroute to Australia on business. Enter the abductors, a male with shaved head and a chick who has a gothic Wynona Ryder thing going on. Natasha is overpowered and they bind her ankles, legs, arms and wrists behind her. A cloth is inserted in her mouth and held in place with a cleave gag. They tell her they're going to get some of her clothes for wardrobe changes during her captivity. Apparently, Natasha is not grateful she is being abducted by such fashionistas and begins to writhe and moan on the floor. When they return she is picked up and carried away.

She is now chair tied in a garage with her wrists behind, cords around upper arms and passing below the breasts, ankles are roped to the front legs of the chair. Her mouth is packed with cloth and cleave gagged. She is wearing a short red dress and white open toed shoes. She is launched into distress mode.

The male abductor calls her husband and tells him to pony up 1 million or else. The husband doesn't believe it thinking his wife to be in Australia. Cut to Natasha still in the garage now wearing orange mottled bra and panties. Gagged with an OTM ace bandage, she is in a semi strappado pose, wrists behind and arms slightly raised by a cord and pulley. Her ankles and legs are tied and she is barefoot on the floor. The room darkens and she is left there and we see the abductors have been watching her on a monitor.

Next day she has been given another wardrobe change into red top, blue jeans and tennis shoes. She is blindfolded, wrists tied behind and not gagged. The abductors take her to the basement where the female unties her, removes the blindfold and orders her to strip. Once naked, the male puts her face down on the floor and hogties her. While the female films, Natasha reads a script begging her husband to help. When finished she is cleave gagged and left there to squirm in a lengthy scene.

The next scene has Natasha naked on a mattress still in the basement, arms extended over her head and secured to a pipe. Her ankles are tied to the mattress lift on each side and she has mouth packing and a cleave gag. The female begins some fondling, licking, toe sucking and general overall abuse. Natasha goes into some serious muffled protests. The male returns and gets ticked at these goings on.

For the next scene he has chair tied the female abductor, wrists behind, cord around waist and chair and ankles tied to chair back. She is gagged with mailing tape. Natasha is a few feet away. Her wrists are bound to a cabinet post, ankles and legs bound and packing tape gagged as she sits on the floor. Both are naked.

The male place a call to the husband and we find they are in cahoots. The husband says they will split the life insurance policy on his wife once she's disposed of. The male says he has taken care of the other female but we don't know how.

In the final scene Natasha has been taken into the woods. She is naked and her wrists have been bound to a horizontal limb, her legs and ankles are tied and she has a duct tape gag. She is slightly stretched lifting her heels up. After some struggling a freeze frame and fade to sometime later as she goes limp, indicating she has perished from exposure to the elements. The End

Movie Pluses - I found the picture quality quite good - Natasha certainly knows to use the vivid colors that accent her best assets. The sound was also quite good and consistent throughout. There was a nice variety of poses and for the most part the scenes were not overly protracted. Natasha has very expressive eyes which translate well into damsel in distress scenarios.

Movie Minuses - If I could change one thing, I would offer this suggestion - as so often happens in productions of this type, the distressed moans and hhhmmmffs sound monotonal, like listening to the tick-tock-tick-tock of a timepiece, almost mechanical if you will. Fewer and more spontaneous and with a little passion would have worked better here. Also, in the words of our host Ralphus "never send a woman to do a man's job" - the only real torment is dished out by Lydia - at least let him get his share!

Verdict - you will find no lashings, no torture of any kind here - just straightforward, simple elegant bondage - to me it was well worth the price of admission and I will be visiting Natasha again - B

Kate Winslet?

What did you think of the pic of Lauren German? Was that bush hairy enough for you? [BEG]

Am I missing something here? (Wouldn't be the first time)

I think your assessment of the movie is spot on, and I agree with what you wrote. However, I wouldn't be so generous in grading the movie. I would give it a C at best.

Frankly, I found the film a bit dull. There's no tapping, and without any torture, it really is just one scene after another of Natasha bound and gagged.

Now, that's not an entirely bad thing. Natasha is beautiful, and she looks wonderful tied and gagged. I guess I just prefer a little more cruelty in my movies. My hunch -- and this is only a hunch -- is that Natasha's "Bondage Sex" movies would be more to my liking, although I haven't seen any of those ones available in my corner of the world.

By the way, if anyone were to review my recent posts, you would notice I watched a number of films last weekend. Indeed, I saw three ZFX films -- Witchunt, Toolbox Abductions 2, and the Abduction of Sweet Christine -- and Natasha's movie. Apart from the comments I have already posted, I would only add that I didn't mind Rebecca Montgomery's breast enhancements (in Sweet Christine) as much as I thought I would. She still looked pretty damn good to me. But her previous film, Squealer, is the much better movie.

I appreciated both of your reviews (even if Sloth gave the plot away. ;-))

I have never pretended to more than we are, that is, classic damsel-in-distress, so I completely understand A Canadian's views. If viewers want any torture other than some mild titty pinching, it's true that they would best be served by looking elsewhere.

I am glad that Sloth seemed to appreciate the efforts Isaac expends in actual production of a movie and we do have plots which I generally find quite good when I watch the finished product.

I always like the little extras Isaac throws in, such as the part Sloth mentions about the picture fading and you realize the villains are watching me from a monitor. In "Adultery", there is a scene which I still enjoy watching where there is a newspiece on TV about how I've been kidnapped and they are showing photos from my real life and interviewing my "husband." I get a kick out of that every time.

But it's true most of my work is pretty tame.

I really appreciate the feedback about the moaning, especially as someone else brought this up recently in an email. The only direction I've had to go on is Isaac's and when I asked him about this, he told me that in all the bondage movies he'd seen, the girls made the noises which his models now make, myself included. But I agree it is monotone and I have no problem working on that, maybe throwing in some gagged "help!" and so forth.

Regarding the bondage sex series, it may be more to A Canadian's liking since it is, of course, for all intents and purposes, 99% rape scenes, although we describe it as "forced fantasies." I guess we've never termed it rape because we didn't want to imply any sort of brutality, as there is not any. I am definitely being forced to have sex against my will, but it is not rough, really. As these are compilation DVDs, they do not have a plot that run throughout the movie. We have at least tried to sprinkle some shorter plots throughout the later ones, now. And, after reading suggestions here a long time ago, we hired a camera person so we would have hand held shots and points of view.

At any rate, I'm glad that Sloth and A Canadian liked the movies and found them to at least be average or a bit better.

A Canadian,

Do you only rent movies? I suppose it would be difficult to find bondage and sex in a video store. Our reseller to adult video stores would not even take the movies with sex in them. We had to make 2 versions of our latest releases (because we now include a bondage sex scene in our regular plotted movies, too) so that we could sell the non-sex version to the reseller. Of course, this isn't a problem with Video Mayhem!

Natasha

At the store where I rented your movie, I saw a few of your titles but none of them were the forced sex movies (sigh). It's hard to know if that means anything, as things can be kinda hit and miss here. I don't know if the store deliberately chose not to carry them or not.

Recently, this store has been renting ZFX movies (they started carrying ZFX last year when Rick began using DVD-ROM discs). Some of the ZFX titles have clearly included rape scenes, although I suppose it's possible the store doesn't know there are rape scenes in the movies. Then again, I have also rented Inquisition movies at this store, and they also have rape scenes. This particular video store has been pretty bold in terms of challenging the Canadian authorities, so I think it's possible the people at this store don't care.

I will keep my eyes open to see if they carry the bondage sex movies. I think the standards may be different here. Since all bondage movies are technically illegal under the obscenity laws, I don't know if it is considered any worse to have a "rape" movie than to have any other type of bondage film.

There's an internal link in Ralphus' post of Thursday, November 2nd 2006 - 10:15:50 PM -- I put it in my "Homepage URL".

Thanks

Tom

Examples are Nu-West (extreme flagellation), Pain4Fem (flagellation & extreme caning), and Red Feline Pix (extreme torture & crucifixion). And yes, I have most of the ZFX collection (who doesn't?!). I also have enjoyed milder material over the years that feature gorgeous females, including the classic bondage films of the late Bruce Seven. In fact, the main reason for this post is....I am desperately trying to locate & obtain a copy (original print, re-release, or dub) of the Bruce Seven title "A Twist of Payne" starring Alexis Payne, Felecia, & the awesome Misty Rain (her only appearance, I believe, in a Bruce Seven bondage movie).

This title has recently been declared "Discontinued" or "Out of Print" by every Internet distributor that carries Bruce Seven titles. I'm hoping that a regular contributor to this forum will read this post, who may either have a copy of "Twist" that they will sell, trade, or dub, or may know of a collector or distributor or other source for obtaining this title. Thanks a lot, folks. I look forward to learning more about this forum soon, and to joining in on some discussions. (Private email reply welcomed in addition to reply on this forum)

Your link led to some IMDB photo's of a woman named Lauren German. Ralphus' URL now links to a photo of some race car drivers standing with some babes.

If there's a great furry pussy photo out there, I'm still not finding it.

But every time I try the pussy picture I linked, it comes up the correct image. Anyway, here's the picture again with a different link.

http://youtied.com/gimp/imagine_2191_123_403lo.jpg

Not quite so funny 3 days later, is it? Oh, well.

Leatherlips: I have those clips saved on my hard drive, but you should really just go buy the DVD and see the whole movie. It's only 25 bucks, which is less than half of what I paid for the VHS years ago. It's definitely worth a purchase. My short review and a link where you can buy it are here:

http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews02.html#nettles

Tom: Our resident HOM expert Scribbler would probably know who the Erotic Perversions chick is, if it was ever disclosed, anyway. A lot of the girls in those loops never had an actual actress credit. I put a picture from that scene in my Homepage URL.

Yeah, it would have been good for a laugh at the time but that time was a couple of days ago I'm afraid.

I appreciate your efforts nevertheless.

What is Violence 1? Can you tell us more about the breast pin cushion scene and give us a hint as to where to find this movie? I haven't seen any of Rene Baker's movies but she's a nice looking lady (especially with her tits tied up)!

She also appeared in HOM mags and a few other HOM 8mm loops.

On Bondage Classics 7: 'Mmmph!' and 'A Slave to His Pleasures.' In 'Mmmph!' she has a leather hood on most of the time. 'A Slave to His Pleasures' has one of my favorite lightweight stripping scenes: she's bound to a post and is stripped out of her leotards ala Clockwork Orange. The other BC7 loops aren't any good (not to me anyway, as I recall).

On Bondage Classics 19, she's in 'Artist in Rope.' If I remember right, it's fairly short. May have been edited down from the original. I wouldn't recommend BC19 just for that. 'Kidnapped' is good content, but the model is, well, too heavy for my taste. 'Bondage Nightmare' is decent, as are some of the others, but at least on my VHS version, the video transfer is really bad. Haven't watched it in awhile.

She was also in the 8mm loop 'Turned Tables.' Wish I could get my hands on that one! I saw it once in an adult shop in the early 80s. Really liked it.

The chads of 'Perversion Bizar' are chad2254.jpg to chad2283.jpg

Bondage Classics 3 was discontinued a long while ago cause they were getting complaints. I found this out when I was at the HOM warehouse to buy stuff. A guy was destroying the stock of BC3 VHS tapes they had left, breaking the case, tearing out the tape, trashing it. I asked what he was doing and he told me about the complaints, and that their master tape was bad, and they weren't going to sell it anymore. I asked how bad it was, he said he didn't think it was that bad, a horizontal line near the bottom of the screen throughout. I already had one at home, but I tried to buy one as a backup before he destroyed them all. He went to ask, and came back saying the lady in charge wouldn't let me.

And now it's available again. Curious. Maybe they found a good copy somewhere (ebay) and since they have the rights to it, are dubbing off that and selling it again. If anyone buys one, let us know how the quality is. Definitely worth a chance; there are some good loops on there.

It is my understanding that the "Violence" series of videos were essentially the next generation of the "Erotic Perversion" series of videos. I think they were made in the early '80s. I recently ordered "Violence 3" (link above) from Jaded Video, but instead of "Violence 3," I received "Violence 1." After viewing it, I decided to keep it, rather than return it. It has two segments that only run for a total of about 30 minutes, though the box cover shows a running time of 60 minutes.

The first segment features two girls who are bound and tortured, mainly with needles and other sharp instruments. In fact, one of the girl's tits are pierced with what looks like knitting needles. The second segment on the disc stars Rene Baker, who also endures quite a bit of needle torture to her luscious tits.

The quality of the videography is not up to today's standards and there is no sound. At $42.95 for 30 minutes, the price is rather steep. But as someone that thoroughly enjoyed the old HOM loops when I watched them over 20 years ago, Violence 1 was a treat.

I also received Erotic Perverion at the same time (link below), which also includes a lot of needle torture. The first segment on the disc was "Perversion Bizar" that Scribbler mentioned.

http://www.jadedvideo.com/y_result.asp?PRODUCT_ID=91035

I would like to see this chick as President. She can't be any worse than Bush and she would be a helluva lot better to look at.

We open in the same office in the jail. Pamela is seated on a chair bound wrists behind, ankles, legs and arms. She wears a short black dress and is ball gagged and blindfolded. A guard pulls up her dress and administers a fondling. In a cell Catherine is bound wrists behind arms at elbow wearing white panties garter belt and stockings. She is taken out by female guard. Back in the office Pamela is suspended by her ankles, still blindfolded but gag removed. Guards demand she call other members of International Students for Peace to lure them there. She refuses and she is lashed and has crotch rope attached.

Catherine is now AOH, ankle strapped with waist and crotch strap applied. The guards are busy tightening Pamela's crotch rope and fondling her crotch through her panties. She begs a guard to tap her. Catherine gets aphrodisiac from the dyke guard. Pamela is taken to Catherine who is mounted over a just too low dildo. Catherine gets a few lashes and the guards leave. Catherine begs Pamela to help her get off on the dildo. Pamela lowers her panties and we get a bush shot. Pamela also manages to adjust the dildo and Catherine begins to impale herself on it as the guard returns. He removes the dildo and says he will replace it if Pamela makes the phone call. She agrees and he doesn't replace it and takes Pamela to the office.

In the office Pamela is forced to spread her legs for a crotch lashing and fondling and she makes the call. The guard hustles her away to where she takes a wooden horse ride, wrists behind, ankles strapped to floor, ball gagged and neck collar roped overhead. The guard leaves as another prisoner, Susie, has been brought in. She is AOH with OTM gag wearing a black dress. She gets a fondling and lashing. Pamela is still taking her pony ride. Susie gets some major melon bondage while seated in a chair AOH.

Outside, 2 other girls, Cat and her guide Maria, arrive looking for Pamela. The guard offers to tell her the whereabouts of all the prisoners for 10 grand. Cat leaves to get the money and we find Maria is in cahoots with the guards. Maria and the guard visit Pamela who is still riding the pony and Maria wants to play with her. Susie is bound over a table being fondled while Pamela is finally off the pony and is lashed and fondled by Maria.

Cat returns with the money and is taken to Pamela who is on the floor, arms and wrists bound behind a post, leg tied to pulley and raised. Cat is disrobed and bound kneeling on the floor with a crotch rope running to Pamela's raised leg and Maria does some lashing. Then Pamela and Cat are retied, Cat AOH with one leg tied to crossbar and one free. Her waist is tied to a crotch rope on Pamela and Maria's lashing causes torment for both as Cat's struggles tighten Pamela's rope. Catherine is now AOH, feet barely toughing the floor and she wraps her legs around a guard as he fondles her to ease the pressure. Back to Pamela and Cat. Pamela is back on the pony with wrists behind and cord running to Cat's crotch. Cat is AOH against a post with ankles tied and standing on her toes while Maria continues to torment them. Guards begin moving girls around, Pamela tries to diddle herself through her panties while other guards play some more with Cat. Cut to epilogue. We are told one week later the girls were freed by some rebellious group and we get stills indicating what happened to all our participants. The End.

Movie Pluses - again we are treated to a variety of creative bondage poses, plenty of action and something for just about everybody. So what's not to like.

Movie Minuses - as with "Tourist Trap", the picture quality and sound vary widely throughout the film.

The verdict - all in all very comparable to the original - in an utterly subjective bit of bias I kick it down just a notch - Whitman's models in this one have a little rougher edge in appearance - like he hired the best looking cocktail waitresses from the local bowling alley - still, rates a solid B

Stay Well All

Personally, I usually don't care for scenes where women are getting tortured by other women, and I didn't read anything in your review that had me thinking, 'wow, I would really want to see that.' My sense, based on your write ups, is that I would enjoy the first movie much more than the second one.

Although, in a perverse way, the fact that the women in the second film have a bowling-alley cocktail waitress look kind of appeals to me.

Women dominating other women is an artificial concept to begin with. I know, I know, some guys love it, and I do see the appeal, but I just don't believe it most of the time. Women are, by nature, submissive creatures. Men are usually the dominant ones. Therefore, M/F, especially in a bondage film, just makes more sense. Female on female? No. Not usually, anyway.

But someone take this challenge and prove me wrong. For our fans of all-girl bondage vids, come up with three good titles that you think are very good or excellent. And tell us why you think they're so good. Or if you can't come up with that many, just name one. Seriously, I want to be proven wrong here, but I don't think you can do it.

As I mentioned in my review of the film, the domination in Blunt Trauma II is very mean and funny, with some nice gloating and laughing at the victim's distress. Another scene, which in a lot of ways takes the mickey out of the whole idea of F/f scenes, is in Warpigs (3?), where Lisa's character dominates the victim, essentially by making her perform oral sex on her, and then Rick comes back in and says something mocking like 'You call this torture?!?' Always gets laughs around here...

By the way, what's the context of the Mary Carey election campaign photos? They're just about tempting me to move to California and cast my vote!

OK - I think I may have something to say on this topic. Ralphus and mothbrad both put forward their opinion that F/f comes off as artificial, and I agree that it often is as it has been implemented in F/f videos that are available. However, I disagree with the concept that it goes against women's nature. A while back, a person who is into the scene said that most women are actually dominant - as I think the majority of married men would attest to.

It's not the focus of this group, but there is a ton of F/m stuff out there, so I take issue with Ralphus' statement that "Women are, by nature, submissive creatures.". Another part of female nature that is being ignored by those arguments is the cattiness between women that has the potential to reach radioactive levels. I think that these two aspects of female nature makes F/f BDSM, as a concept, plausible. The setting has to be right, but I think a concept of revenge for stealing a bf/hubby, or maybe just for shamelessly flirting with a bf/hubby works as a believable setting. I also can dig a small-titted domme punishing a busty victim (read: tit torture) out of jealousy.

I firmly believe that if F/f was done right - that is, none of the playful/consensual crap that you see from the likes of LDL and Bizarre, but a video in a rough, gritty setting with the domme really putting the gal in inescapable positions and really putting her through hard bondage, it would appeal to a lot more GIMPer type pervs.

Now, to the appeal of F/f BDSM - What I really like about F/f BDSM, if done right, is the humiliation of a woman forced to pleasure (read: forced cunnilingus) her female tormentor - my fantasy is that the victim is straight and it humiliates her to no end that her tormentor is forcing her to do lesbian acts on her. I also like the concept of a male tormentor forcing two female slaves to perform lesbian acts. I also really dig on a very sexy domme doing such awful things to another member of the sisterhood - I can't really explain the appeal, and it may take away my credentials as a GIMPer, but a domme showing off her own sexiness while putting her female victim through the ringer - especially if she is really getting turned on by it, just clicks with me.

Thoughts?

I think Sloth hits on a good point here. I own one of Natasha's bondage sex video (I think it is her first one) and while the video is overall well done and Natasha is without a doubt screaming hot, I think the video could be improved with some more passionate screaming that avoided the tick-tock issue. Perhaps ratchet up the intensity of the sound at certain opportune moments, like the moment when the attacker binds the last limb, the moment he first enters, the moment when he is about to finish . . .

Mr. Truth: You're saying if we get off watching a man tie up and torture a woman, that we are gay? LOL! Um, I don't think so. Get with the rest of the group, Sally! Women are here for our entertainment. If we like watching them tied and terrorized and you don't, it just means we're so much smarter than you :)

But if snuff turns your crank, then Chaos probably is a good movie for you. It does have a gritty realism to it that can't be denied. And from a humiliation standpoint, the scenes before the blood started to flow were also realistically done. If only those parts would have lasted longer, with perhaps a scene break before they started in with the hardcore blood letting, then this could have been a movie for everybody.

Re: Devil's Rejects. I completely agree with A Canadian about the humiliation aspects of the scene with Priscilla Barnes. If only someone could do a full on porn movie with that level of intensity . . .

Crash - I saw it the other day and it has a good humiliation scene where a cop pats down a hot wife in a cocktail dress in front of her husband. You can see the cop fondle her breast and ass as he pats her down from top to bottom, then he starts up the legs and slips his hand under her cocktail dress. The implication is that he is doing a cavity search, and this is later confirmed when the wife berates her husband for doing nothing while the cop "finger fucks" her. It was a short scene with no nudity, but the dress was thin and tight, and the humiliation was complete. She wasn't bound, but the cop, played by Matt Dillon, had a gun and the weight of the law behind him. She started off mouthing off to him, but he took control and you could see her go from assertive and independant to humiliated and totally broken in a matter of seconds. The cost of the DVD rental, three bucks. The look on her face when he slid his hand up her dress, priceless. ;)

I prefer M/F domination (I guess that makes me gay), and I do agree that most of the F/F scenes out there are beyond lame. But when the scenes are done right, especially with an actress playing the dominant role properly, it can be a thing of beauty.

Ralphus, you want three titles? I'm sure this won't convince you because "to each his own," I guess, but here's my shot at your challenge:

One of my favorite ZFX scenes is in "Ms. Ballista" when Lisa Kinkaid is strung up, ballgagged, her legs spread with her pussy exposed. And then we see the villain Penelope Pace masturbating while staring at our helpless victim. The F/F scenes in this film work because Penelope is convincing in bringing out the lunacy of her character.

Although the torture scenes could have been much better, I did enjoy Tatiana Cortez's character in "Trojan Horse." She's not the hottest of ZFX actresses, but the shades, the huge tattoo on her leg and that psychotic voice of her's made her a convincing drug-addicted nutcase dom.

As for a third title, how do you feel about "Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS"? She's about as brutal as any guy in an exploitation movie.

Perhaps the problem, as many have noted here, is that properly done F/F scenes are so rare. We get so much consensual stuff in the Harmony style that maybe our opinions of F/F scenes have become jaded.

But I really liked that ZFX flick where Chandra was a collaborator with the villain. It defied the usual expectations, where a woman might expect another of her own gender to come to her aid. Instead, Chandra laughed maniacally and played with herself and got off on the whole thing. Good stuff.

zee-ef-ex

I also liked some of the scenes in Ilsa, although I generally found that movie a little too bloody for my tastes.

Still, as Brutus and others have said, these are the exceptions rather than the rule. Generally, I tend to shy away from any bondage movie where the villain(s) isn't male, as I usually don't find the abuse and the cruelty convincing when it's a woman dishing out the punishment.

A "flaming" Canadian - thanks man, I thought I was the only one.

Unicoi - concerning the moaning exercises in our flicks, partner, you said that in words far better than I could - a little intensity with proper timing would add a lot IMO.

To All - normally I would not subscribe to F/F stuff but once you bring Ilsa into the picture, whoa.............but that is the exception.

Stay Well All

Same with Trojan Horse, a ZFX vid I didn't much care for, except for Lisa Kinkaid's torment at the hands of...another man. In this case, it was Rick dishing out the abuse. Not an all-girl bondage vid, either.

Ilsa: She Wolf of the SS: once again, not an all-girl bondage vid, in fact, not even a bondage vid at all. I will agree, though, that Ilsa is one of the all-time great villains in history, so much so that they resurrected her character in 3 sequels, even though she got shot to death in the first film. You just can't kill off a character like Ilsa. Like Jason and Freddy, she just kept coming back for more.

Anyone else attempt the challenge? Come up with just one all-girl bondage vid that you consider very good or excellent. I can name only one vid that I think applies (although a certain Canadian might disagree): Seed, the all-time best all-girl title ever put out by ZFX. Penelope comes in contact with a mysterious plant and then goes apeshit on Lisa, attacking her in the bathtub, tying her to the bed and torturing her with a hot comb, later burning her with hot fireplace tongs, then finishes by stuffing a huge foot-long salt shaker up her ass and taping it inside.

But I'll tell ya, that's the one and only all-female vid that I would rate in that category. Surely there have to be more? Or, maybe not. Show me something. Nearly 24 hours have gone by and not one true all-female bondage vid yet.

In terms of clips vs vids, I prefer Hogtied and Sex and Submission from Cybernet Entertainment (see "Homepage" link) over Whipped Ass or Ultimate Surrender, but they're all pretty good (I won't look at Men in Pain, however).

As the saying goes "Truth is stranger then fiction" and you're one strange mother effer.

Believe me when I say this, and I speak for every gimper, when we watch a guy do something to a woman in a bondage video, the thing between our legs get hard not because we're focusing on the attacker's biceps or crotch area.

Truth (no pun intended) be told, many of our "heroes" have overweight, middle aged physiques that only their mothers would love - no offense, guys ;-)

Now I think it is Ralphus who says never send a woman to do a man's job. His challenge is to find three f/f movies that women get the job done. I think I will reverse the challenge to this board and you gimpers can try and prove to me where the male doms have been more sadistic then the females movies I am about to offer. Maybe after all these years we have been mentally fooled. We should send a man to do a woman's job. When thinking about the movies I don't think ZFX can apply. They are great movies but the action is simulated so I really can't see calling one female or male a great dom but can you call them a great actor or actress. I am talking about males or females who can really dish it out. When I get done I think it will be hard to prove me wrong that the females dish it out better then the males.

For starters one of the hardest movies I ever saw was Slave Sex #24. The fem dom really dished it out in that one. That movie made me cringe on a few occasions. Good luck trying to find a male who dominated that hard! Next up we have SVP products. Most of those movies were f/f and the action there is as hard as anything I have seen. I will grant that there m/f are equally as hard.

There is a very good JB Attackers movie. I think it is number 71 or 72. This one actually has a storyline. I think these five girls gang up on this dom's girlfriend and she ends up committing suicide. The dom then tracks down each of the women and makes them pay dearly. The action here is also very good and you will be hard pressed once again to find a male dom that can dish this type of pain out.

Next out will be most movies from Mood Pictures. There is no pussyfooting around with the whip or the cane here. These are full force swings. Guess who is doing all the swinging?? YUP more ruthless females. I have always thought if you're not going to use the whip or the cane the right way you might as well leave it out of the movie because it ruins the fantasy when the dom does the big backswing slow forward swing routine. The new series from Mood Pictures called Elite Pain is also pretty well done featuring female over female. So there you have it folks. I challenge you all to find movies where the male dom really dominates his female sub.

I think the pendulum may be swinging a little too far in your mind. It is not that we are gay, it is that you are a homophobe. Did you see anyone here get angry at being called gay? Most of us probably don't think of gay, whether we are or not, as being a bad thing. You apparently do.

Our focal point is on the victim. Men make better tormentors than women, generally, because of the way women react to them. They feel more violated by a penis than a dildo. Cum on the face? Oh yeah! Just being forced to strip in front of a man is humiliating for most. Forced to eat pussy? Absolutely! They do, however, seem to react better when it is a man forcing them. Even in the case of the delicious Ilsa, the victims seemed more filled with disgust and hatred than with terror and humiliation. Aliens and monsters might make even better antagonists except for the believability factor.

It's all about the victim.

Jefferson

BRAVO!! Very good examples - mood pictures has made whipping/caning vids appeal to me! I think it helps that I don't understand the dialog. I would also like to present 2 more ZFX titles, Doc Bondage and Xtractor, and a JAV title - Dogma D1-211 as great examples of F/f action. The Dogma titles have a schoolgirl (well, an adult actress playing a schoolgirl) who has fantasies about her hot MILF teacher, and gets her tied up and ruthlessly abuses her (see homepage link).

Regarding Mr. Truth - can't Gimpers recognize humor when they see it. Methinks Mr. Truth is having some fun.

Ralphus: Indeed, Seed will never be found in my collection.

Thanks for the info about the brunette from EP 'Perversion Bizar'

Do you known when that was shot and if it was filmed in the states???

Tom

Any number of Nu-West vids have very harsh F/f whipping and domination in them. However I think the point is that the creators of the material are not requiring the same standards of the women doms as their male counterparts.

Jeeze...I think I touched a nerve somewhere. I will reel in my lines.

But I do love the F/F stuff just as much provided it is done right. There's just so much more properly done M/F stuff out there than the F/F stuff. JhLipton mentioned the Hogtied etc. sites. I like the all-female Whipped Ass clips, and some of the women can really dish it out. But I've been disappointed with some of the clips. Yet the same goes with the M/F Hogtied series. I guess it depends on the acting and direction. How would things be different if Rick Masters' ZFX films were all F/F?

So I give you a couple more F/F titles, but you have to cut me a bit of slack since I'm not as 'well-read' as other posters here.

"The Van" was OK, and I liked it better than some of the M/F ZFX stuff. Tabitha Jordan plays a good dom, but her tits are just too unnatural.

Same goes with "Supermax." (OK, not technically an all-female film, but Rick isn't really involved in the action and besides, he has no head!) I think I would have ranked it up there with "Seed" if Penelope had been the dom instead.

A 1980s HOM movie called "Master Control" was also one of my favorites. (I consider it an all-female movie because the guy at the end plays no important part.) Although Georgia Van Helsing isn't my favorite actress, she was cheesy enough as a mad, sadistic scientist to make the F/F stuff work for me.

Mr. Retailer, I haven't seen the movies you mentioned, but thanks for giving me some early Christmas present ideas. As for you challenge, can these women dish it out like PD from the former Insex? Sure his stuff was consensual, but his relentlessness in torturing and humiliating the women was something else.

Mr. Truth: I had hoped you were joking. It wasn't that clear. Still, you made me realize that, because I like both M/F and F/F scenes, then I must be bisexual :>).

Cheers all, gotta put on my leather pants and take the poodle out for a walk.

I remember a movie with Spanky that I thought was a bit more harder then the rest. The Mood girls mostly use full force caning. They win hands down!

I am standing with my challenge using my examples for you gimpers to come up with harder doms then the females mentioned in my prior post.

We're back, at least for now, until Dreambook decides to go down again. Everybody hold their breath.

Apologies and thanks go to our loyal readers, who kept checking in every day while we were at a virtual standstill. Hits went down slightly, but for the most part, everybody kept stopping by day after day, even though there were no new posts and no new picture. Now maybe we can get this place talking again.

I hope you took advantage of the time off to check out a bondage video or two. Or maybe even made your own. Shucks, it's easy. Start with the basics. All you need is a camcorder, a pair of handcuffs, some duct tape and an unwilling victim or two. Then you can go to it and have some fun.

Just make sure you send me a copy when you're done.

I have never seen the movie, but the description of it in The Rape List sounds intriguing. To get the movie, I would have to buy it, rather than rent, so I thought I would solicit some opinions before this notorious cheapskate makes a commitment.

I am also wondering if anyone has any other recommended rape scenes in movies that aren't commonly known?

I was wondering if anyone has heard of Geoffrey Merrick's "Assignment K: Suzy". Yeah I know that Geoffrey Merrick is a writer but he made this vid. I'm interested because Geoff's stories are awesome. If you guys are into reading those stories then you should checkout some stuff from Dofantasy. Special Mention to "The Keeper" and "Electrician". I want to buy it but was wondering if anyone has already got it and would like to have an opinion or review about it. Some pics for it would be great as well.

Love what you guys are doing and special thanks to Ralphus.

Hey. A mentionable rape scene is in "Irreversible" although it maybe a bit too realistic for my liking. The plus side to that is that Monica Bellucci is the victim who I think is hotness personified. The downside is that the rape scene goes on for quite a bit with no closeups or change of camera angles. Just a front on view of her face while the guy is ramming her up the ass. Also she gets the crap kicked out of her and falls into a coma as a result.

Contraband's one is a bit short but fits more into the spirit of this site as she's gagged. I think it's more of a rental movie as I think the film is pretty shit itself and not worth buying just for that part.

When I first started enjoying this kind of stuff, I was mostly into F/F stuff. Actually this forum, which I have been following for a while, is what has moved me over into enjoying M/F as well. So on to good stuff.


Kym Wilde's On The Edge
These are mostly FF and generally the girls are whipping as hard as they can. Not much on bondage and not a lot of gags, but a hell of a lot of action and as scene bondage goes, they really try to push limits.

Bruce Seven
Why has no one mentioned Bruce yet? His flicks always have the hottest girls. Even though he is in most of his films, he usually lets his girls do all the work. There are reviews of a lot of his DVDs on the reviews page.

Speak No Evil (London Dist)
Not a great flick if you're into big tits. And Arianna isn't really looking her best here. Nevertheless Chloe really takes a beating. I particularly like the end where another girl is lying face up on a bench and Cloe is instructed first to sit on her face while they both get whipped, then to lie astride the other girl, pussy to pussy while the both get whipped. Hard.

I do own Irreversible and I agree with your take on it. I like the rape scene, but it is a little too real for me. I can't watch the part after the violation where Monica gets beat up. I prefer rape scenes where the woman is overpowered, violated, but there is no real violence other than a few slaps to the face.

Let me guess. These guys are so reckless that they order at the drive through at McDonald's and then hold their McGriddle sandwich in one hand, their coffee in the other hand and zip down the highway at super high speeds, steering the wheel with only their knees? Now that would be a rush!

Anyway, welcome to the forum, and we hope you'll be a regular contributor here. Just wear your seat belt if you're going to be in the car with those guys.

A Canadian: So you liked the description of Contraband on the Rape List? Good, because I wrote that entry myself after I saw the movie. I agree that it's not a real long scene, and I wouldn't buy the whole movie just for that, but if you can find it to rent, grab it. Ever try Netflix? I don't know if they ship to Canada, but they have it, since that's where I saw it.

I was really surprised to see such a brutal scene in a mainstream movie. It's definitely worth seeing. You may not remember, but I ran a series of pictures from it that Hank Hobbs donated to the site as our daily picture over several days a while back. I linked one of them in my Homepage URL above.

I then bought a Bruce compilation video. I enjoyed the younger Sharon Mitchell dishing it out on two lucious and struggling victims, but some of the other scenes were of the group dungeon variety where the women were more than willing to be whipped. I fast forwarded through those.

The same goes for "Yvonne's Odyessy." Some scenes were good, but others were boring because of the consensual factor.

Another problem is that it seems gags are not used that much in Bruce Seven flicks. Could you recommend any Bruce Seven movies in which the victims are (or are at least acting) uncomfortable or resistant and preferably gagged? You are totally correct in pointing out that the women he used are hot. I'm looking for movies where they are treated "properly."

Cheers.

Bondage Classics 12

The cover is a photo of 'Escape to the Wilderness.' The one pretending to be a guy wearing fatigues tormenting the female, is a female too! Or at least I always thought so.

Tom, re: EP 'Perversion Bizar': Yes, it was shot in the states. As to when filmed: some time between 76 and 84 I would guess. I'm too lazy to research to narrow it down any further. BTW, the actress is also in the loop "Hot n' Hanging" on BC8, and that loop was shot in the same basement set as 'Perversion Bizar.'

You have caught my attention! Looks like you do some nice F/f stuff. Do you happen to do any scenes where you grind your muff into the poor victim's face and make her chow some box (maybe as a condition to be allowed to breath)? Are there any storylines to your scenes? Maybe a jealous housewife getting even with the snobby neighborhood Homeowner Association President or something like that? I see some definite potential here.

This post is a little off topic at the moment, but I just had to tell you all about a GREAT discovery I came across.

Anyone on the board who is a gag fanatic like myself, is going to love this!

I read a bondage story about 3 weeks ago, and the writer mentioned a wonderful tape called GORILLA TAPE.

If the people on this board practice bondage in their personal, or even professional lives, then they owe it to themselves to try this awesome tape as a gag!

You can find it for sure at Walgreens, and if not, you can find a location near you, by going to this site www.gorillatape.com

If you want to gag someone effectively, but don't want to wrap their mouth with duct tape, then don't worry! With this tape, you only need ONE PIECE! Yes, that's right, ONE PIEICE!!!!!

I tried it on myself, and I'm a grown man. Once this stuff is stretched on a person's mouth, they will not be able to open their mouth at all, till its peeled off!

If you haven't tried it, you should, and those who have used it, can you post to the board, and fill everyone in on the experience?

I hate to disappoint you, but I think that is a guy in the "Escape to the Wilderness" film loop that you describe in Bondage Classic 12

Why? I've seen the loop and there are two reasons 1) to hoist the woman up in the air like that you need some upper body strength, and not to sound sexist (that's funny, I'm worried about sounding sexist on this forum, anyway) the guy hoisting the woman seems pretty strong. I don't think a woman the size of the attacker in the loop could've done it. It takes a Big Strong Man. I shouldn't have said that. Now Mr. Truth will be convinced I'm gay.

2) the film loop was made in the 70s when a lot of guys had "white man afros", and there was an angrogenous sex look.

Anyway, that's my take on it. For what it's worth.

Don't need that much upper body strength to hoist a girl if using a pulley. I'm sure there was a guy on the set, cameraman, possibly Whitman, doing the main rigging.

I remember white dude afros. I'll have to watch the video again, been awhile. Doesn't look like white dude afro on the cover pic to me, just curly hair.

I'm not disappointed. Still looks like female in fatiques to me. Look at that long neck. Male necks aren't that long. Maybe sometime this week I'll try to get some screen caps from it. Maybe. It's not like I care that much either way. Could be a guy. Still looks like a girl to me.

I've always thought that pictures and descriptions (or descriptive reviews) are the most important selling point for buying new movies. It's pretty rare that I'll buy a video unless I know a bit about it beforehand. That's one of the reasons why I usually go to your site for Japanese vids, because you include a short synopsis of the movies and everyone else I've found doesn't. That makes the difference for me.

Steve: Now that you're back online taking credit card orders, are you going to start including the descriptions of the DVDs on your own site?

Escape to the Wilderness controversy: Hard to tell from just that cover pic; I'd have to see more stills to tell for sure. If it's a guy, he is a bit effeminate. But apparently, House of Milan did use disguises.

Scribbler: Weren't you the one who disclosed that several of the women in the various HOM loops were actually the same woman wearing different wigs?

Breakfastwithhoons: I haven't seen that movie, sorry. I think you're going to have to buy it and review it for the board. Sound like a plan?

Kevin: Gorilla tape, huh? Looks like a good discovery there. They would probably sell more if they took the gorilla off the package and replaced it with a picture of a girl wearing the tape over her mouth. Those idiots just don't know how to market their product.

LOL!

Yes, I have storylines for these photosets with Connie, but I don't grind my muff into anyone's face...yet! :))

I do have some f/f stuff on my site, though, with some strap-on photos and video. Ralphus posted those a while back here at the GIMP.

We are no longer doing Connie's site, and, in fact, we're pulling it the end of the month, so if anyone is interested in this barbie doll (and she truly is 6 foot tall!), consider it a Christmas gift for yourself. ;)

Natasha

I think you and Sloth make good points. I was just doing what I was told, as I have never really watched any bondage movies other than those made by Isaac W. But I have taken your suggestions to heart and will try to improve.

I can't get too crazy, though; remember we live next door to a bible-thumping cop who thinks we are no longer filming in our house! Luckily, we will be out of here by next summer.

Natasha

Thanks for your reply! I really like that you say "yet". As you can see from the discussion here, the thing that keeps a lot of people from really digging F/f is that is is so seldom done right. But I refer you to Chanta's Bitches as an example of how successful a site can be if they do the F/f right. Forced lez play is also a staple of Whipped Ass.

Hmmm... it seems us Gimpers are serving to further corrupt you - Leave while you can to keep your virtue intact!!!! LOL!

At the mental facility where Otis has been incarcerated, nurse Ashley enters his room where he is straightjacketed, strapped to a cot and is wearing a Hannibal Lector like mask. She teases him by fondling and diddling herself over him. After she leaves he frees himself, swears revenge and escapes. Later that night she walks the parking lot to her car, enters and Otis emerges from the back seat, wrapping her mouth and neck with a knotted cloth. From the back seat he fondles her breasts and fun muffin then orders her to drive.

They are now at a warehouse where Otis pushes her around a bit, puts her on the floor and orders her to lick his boots. When she doesn't do it to his satisfaction he binds her wrists behind with duct tape and slaps her ass a few times. He applies some mouth packing and duct tape then opens her nurses outfit for some fondling and breast slapping. She is rolled onto her stomach where he muff dives her from behind then a simulated rape from behind as well. He rubs her panties in her face some then rolls her over to finish up business missionary position style.

Next scene has Ashley ballgagged, arms AOH to a pulley where she gets a little hoist and some fondling and we see she is pretty well shaved. She struggles amid some ass slapping. Still AOH she is now naked except for stockings and she has that all over sweaty/glycerin look. Otis flails away with a cat-o-nine tails. When she goes limp he revives her with some dildo action. Cut to 2 days later....

The female prosecutor who sent Otis to the funny farm arrives home and notices a strange car in her garage. As she tries to make a call she is overpowered by Otis who ball gags her and hogties her with telephone cord. She receives some ass slapping and fondling. Otis brings out a fresh coil of clothesline and orders her to strip to her panties and play with herself. She has then been retied with the clothesline, wrists behind, around arms and chest and breasts are bound as are her knees. Her mouth is packed and roped and Otis lashes her with the tails as she stands on the floor. He applies clothes pins to her nipples and continues the lashing. He has her kneel for a BJ then removes pins and panties and does her from behind on the floor. Otis leaves and she writhes some.

She is now tied to the bed, wrists to posts and legs spread and elevated. He has run electric wire to her nipples and taped it there. He forces her to suck on a dildo. Then the wire is plugged in for some electro-shock therapy. He leaves. The End.

Movie Pluses - it was, well.....ok.

Movie Minuses - it was, well.....ok.

Verdict - something was lacking in this one -maybe it was what I perceived as a lack of real torment - maybe it was the models who IMO were ok but didn't really float my boat - in any case, for a ZFX production, this one just left me cold - all in all, I thought this was a lesser effort from ZFX - C-

Stay Well All

A preview video is better than a verbal description, but it does cost $1.50.

Steve

Ok, just kidding, we all have our own opinion and you are certainly entitled to mine.

Holly Weston will forever hold a dear place in my loins and Night Prowler 2, a place in my bookcase. Night Prowler 2 was my first ZFX film (on VHS no less: try explaining that to the kids!)

I guess you always remember your first and you hold it in sentimental regard. That being said, I was not fond of the second half either.

Quick Poll! First ZFX, First Model you saw and have you gone back to watch it since?

I do take Sloth's point that sometimes a movie will just lack that sense of danger or menace to put it over the top. Sometimes, you'll see a movie where they're doing everything right -- whippings, shockings, rape, etc. -- and yet somehow it just doesn't work, because the performances aren't convincing.

ZFX poll: My first ZFX movie was South of the Border 5, on DVD. It had several stars, but the top two actresses were Marly Rowe and Lisa Kinkaid. I still own the movie (I only bought it a few years ago) and yes, every now and then, I go back to it.

I do agree that the second half of the movie with Julia Kara was lackluster. Julia was another ZFX performer who was pretty, but she wasn't an especially good actress. I remember she almost seemed sleepy during the electric torture scene, exactly the opposite kind of reaction you would expect when being shocked. The reason it worked was because Travis gave a very good performance in the villain role. The Holly scenes were an A, and the second half knocked it down to a B, but that's still a pretty solid grade. This title is still sadly not on DVD, but it's one to look for when it does get released.

First ZFX movie I saw was Scene of the Crime, a real early 1990s title with Sierra Stuart (another favorite of mine), Victoria Vixen, and Rick's future wife, Drew Phonix. Have I gone back to watch it since? Yeah, I have scenes from it on one of my highlights videos and I watched it a few months ago. And does it hold up as well? Hard to say. It might not have been as slick as Rick's later productions, but it was still better than most of the scenes I had on that particular tape, like some B&D Pleasures stuff, which were almost unwatchable. Plus it was great to see the interminably cute Sierra getting bound and gagged with black tape and tormented with a hot light bulb. Once I saw that back in the 90s, I was hooked on ZFX for life.

Probably. Happened more in HOM mags, but in a few loops too.

First ZFX Movie: Gangland and haven't gone back to watch it.

I don't care for shaved women, no matter how pretty the actress or how convincing the scene may be, if she has overly shaved pubes I can't get into it.

If any of you can recommend a good ZFX production where the gals still have some fur left on them I'll be sure and check it out.

Until then, I'll just have to rely on the old-school stuff.*sigh*

My first ZFX exposure was Talia Winter in Phallicide and yes I go back - what a tight little minx that was. And I always go back to the entire South of the Border series, some of their best work IMO.

And now, I find I must fix up a pitcher of dry martinis so while Ohio State and Michigan maul each other I can select the cheerleader I wish to torment. Stay Well All

Also, if you haven't already done so, you should definitely check the Japanese movies, as the stars of those movies tend to have a fair amount of pussy fur.

Ralphus, I agree with you on practically everything on "Night Prowler 2"

I think it is the best of the series.

I also think Holly Weston may not be the most stunning looking actress, but she's good enough. And her physical performance I thought is the gold standard for rape performances in any film of any type, adult or mainstream.

I also agree the second half with the other actress isn't as exciting although she's good to look at. I did like how Travis mocked her while fondling her. "Look at you now hotshot DA."

I can't recall the first ZFX movie I ever saw, but NP2 is my favorite. After that it's a movie whose title I've forgotten. I think it starts with an S, and it's about a woman who gets lost in a city and is raped by homeless men wearing masks.

My favorite Holly scene (sorry, I don't remember the movie), she was tied standing up, by her neck, her hand behind her back. Otis is trying to cram a huge dildo up her ass.

Holly says, in a nasally voice that sounds right out of my old neighborhood; "Not in my aaaass".

I have most of the ZFX movies, so I don't remember my first one, but my all time favorite actress was Alison Parrish.

Gimpers have weighed in before about when/how they first recognized their gimp tendencies. How about a follow up question? Do gimpers think that being a gimp is a set factor, such a one's sexual orientation, or more of a variable factor, such as an addiction/compulsion that changes with circumstances.

I am on record as having had gimp thoughts and enjoying gimp themes since late childhood/adolescence. I cannot remember any time that seeing some gimp scene did not catch my attention and give me a "charge". It would seem to me that being a gimp is like being heterosexual. It is not likely to change.

The reason I ask is that during the same time period I was really into horse racing and gambling in general. If someone told me that I would experience disinterst towards the running of the Kentucky Derby or Breeeders Cup I would have thought they were crazy. After 25 years, however, that is the case. The "charge" is gone.

Does one live and die a gimp or is being a gimp something that can come and go?

Mike from Brooklyn: Looks like Holly Weston has a lot of fans around here. The movie you're referring to is Guinea Pigs 5. This was Holly's final film. I've linked a still from it in my Homepage URL, courtesy of Hank Hobbs.

DM: We all have sexual desires. If we didn't, we would be abnormal. I think one's sexual proclivity is determined when they are born. Simply put, we are wired this way, and there's really nothing one can do to change that. I compare it to the way people are born either gay or straight...a zebra can't change its stripes. You really can't help it if you are sexually aroused by images of women in bondage.

I know I'll probably get criticized for saying this, but I feel sorry for pedophiliacs. To have to live your entire life with forbidden desires for children and never give in to them...ever...would be a hard thing to have to live with. At least bondage fans have material that will help to tame the savage beast, and for the most part, it's not illegal. But if you're attracted to children and trying to be good, heck, you can't even look at pictures without fear of being arrested.

Of course, what we like is certainly taboo in most people's eyes. To get off on seeing women tied up and tortured is tantamount to being a child molester or a serial killer in today's society. Most of the world probably thinks we're sick. But I think as long as we don't act upon our dark desires and simply have these fantasies, we aren't hurting anybody. That's why the more I think about it, the more grateful I am for bondage producers who make this type of material for our gratification. The people who want to see porn banned just don't understand the big picture. Rape is down 85% since the 1970s. Pornography is a very good thing.

Kinda getting off track, so I'll step off my soapbox and let somebody else talk. What do the rest of you think?

I haven't seen one of these films in a while partly because a lot of adult stores had to "Clean up their act" due to that hypocritical tyrant Rudy Giuliani.

I'm saying this as a warning. Forget the "America's Mayor" crap. As a New Yorker who had to endure the other days beside 9/11, of Rudy's tenure, say goodbye to GIMP and other adult sites. If he's elected President, he'll make Nixon and Bush 2 seem like Hugh Hefner. So be afraid. Be very afraid. Sorry Ralphus, that's me on my soapbox.

Popular entertainment is always looking for ways to get edgier, and the porn world is no exception. Vanilla porn has already found its way into mainstream movies and music videos, with people like Ron Jeremy and Jenna Jameson now recognized as household names, and this has left some porn producers looking for new taboos to break.

As Thees van Kemp mentioned in a recent post, producers such as Robert Black and Rocco Siffredi are responding to this challenge by putting rougher stuff into some of their flicks.

I believe the trend will continue and the line between vanilla porn and bondage will be further blurred. Who knows, one day in the not-too-distant future, the line may disappear and GIMP-type scenes could become quite common in porn.

Ralphus, I understand why you might sympathize with pedophiles, but there is a HUGE difference between what GIMPers watch and what pedophiles want to view. Although I enjoy movies about women taken against their will, I know that they involve actors (like that lucky Travis Lee) and actresses playing the roles.

Kiddie porn will inevitably involve deception, coercion or some other illegal act to get the child involved. And the kid will likely be scarred for life.

Perhaps the solution is to allow drawings or cartoons of such material. It's obviously a controversial idea, but if you can't change the urges of a pedophile, how about a possible outlet that doesn't involve a real victim or could prevent a pedophile from acting out his fantasy?

Also, I'm gettting non-bondage celeb pics when I click on your URL line.

Cheers

As for the Japanese vids, well... I'll undoubtedly come in for a lot of criticism here but I've never found Asians particularly attractive I'm afraid.

Don't really know why, just don't. Sorry.

But thanks for the suggestions. Any others?

PS. GO BUCKS!!!!

I'm getting non-bondage celeb pics when I click on your URL line.

Okay, that's it. I've had it with Imagevenue. Every time I check it, I get the right file, but I've heard too many complaints about people seeing the wrong image. They are obviously not reliable. Here's the same pic from my own AOL space. I'll have to search and see if I can find another free image hosting place that allows adult material.

Brutus wrote:

Perhaps the solution is to allow drawings or cartoons of such material. It's obviously a controversial idea, but if you can't change the urges of a pedophile, how about a possible outlet that doesn't involve a real victim or could prevent a pedophile from acting out his fantasy?

I totally agree. Again, I don't want to come out in favor of pedophilia, but I'm just saying that for them, any material out there, even simulated images, are illegal. You might have remembered the announcement on this forum that the feds had shut down an online site that featured stories about underage kids. Okay, it's gross and offensive to practically everyone, but I ask you, what harm is a story? What child got harmed in the writing of a fictional story? Whatever happened to free speech in this country? Or is it only free if the majority of people like what you are writing about? If it's offensive, then you get thrown in jail? All these questions, but we clearly know the answer.

On this board, we all like seeing women tied up. A lot of us enjoy bondage artwork and stories in addition to the videos. And in that respect, think about this administration that has made banning bondage entertainment one of their priorities. Renderotica, a wonderful online site that featured great 3D bondage artwork, recently got told that that they could no longer feature bondage and rape artwork, even though it was all just art, no real, live performers at all.

Now switch "bondage porn" fiction or artwork to "kiddy porn" fiction or artwork and you can see why it would be just as wrong. One's creative output should not be censored merely because it's offensive to others. Real kiddy porn, with live children? Of course, ban it and throw those guys in jail. That's horrible what they do to innocent children. Stories and art? Still offensive, of course, but sorry, it's NOT the same thing.

Vince: I know what Giuliani did to porn in New York, and we sure as hell don't need that censoring bastard to take control of this county. What other anti-free speech things has he done?

There were at least a couple of exhibits at respected museums that Giuliani cut the funding off because, in his opinion, they were obscene. Now if he's willing to attack the Brooklyn Museum, do you think GIMP and other sites are safe? Especially since this twice-divorced "moderate" New York politician is trying to win the Religious Right?

Hello:

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People are scared in this country and they see, rightly or wrongly, Giuliani as some kind of protector. So whether he's pro-choice or pro same sex doesn't matter.

However though what people have to understand about Giuliani is that he's an opportunist. He'll turn his back on his beliefs in a second if it means he'll win the election. Besides, we assume Giuliani is pro-choice because in this blue state of New York, politicians can't be elected otherwise. But I've never heard once Giuliani say he was either pro or anti choice so he can fill that gap any way he wants.

I'm not sure, but didn't Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney get elected as a pro choicer, but now he's running for President as an anti-abortion candidate?

Another example of Giuliani's facade is that he ran for Mayor promising his cherished cops raises. Years later he screws them in their contract. These are Giuliani's foot soldiers and he played on that with them. But like he treated his ex-wife, Giuliani may seem loyal, but he'll fuck people who get in his way.

I've been a big time ZFX video fan for many years and I use to rent A LOT of them at the adult video stores. My question is, does anyone know if the adult video stores still carry them?? I know several adult stores in Colorado that use to carry them regularly, but I haven't checked here in California yet....

Another question, why in the heck is the ZFX streaming video site so darn expensive!!! It's so much higher than most of the other streaming bondage/forced sites..I subscribed to it a long time ago when it was much lower in price and you got more minutes, but now I don't think I can afford it. More power to them if they are able to attract subscribers as well as they use to, but I'd be shocked if they were able to based on the prices!!

I can understand if you were able to download them and keep them on your hard drive, but this is only a one time viewing, and I believe it will charge you for more minutes if you go back and review them again!!!...

I'm just wondering since bandwidth is so cheap these days as opposed to expensive, why they felt the need to raise the prices as opposed to lower them.

P.S.. I also checked out the http://funnybdsm.com videos and while the women in those movies are absolutely beautiful, the action is overly fake and ZFX blows them away when it comes to creating realism...

Can I have her when you're done with her? Bruises and welts, and 18 to 20, would be considered a bonus. I'm afraid that when I'm done with her, she won't be of much use to anyone here (unless there are some necrophiliacs lurking in the corner).

Better yet, Let's each pick one and torment them together. Forced lez, rape, whipping and caning... Sound good to you. If you want to help with the Final Solution, I can always use another pair of strong hands; if not, that's cool too.

Yarble - how did you manage to get my wife to relinquish her homepage url? Well done.

Buckeye - congrats on that win - best college game of the year - the bad news is I was unable to locate any cheerleaders with a bush.

D.M. - agree with A Canadian - think you're a Gimper for life - while the style and method may change the basic instinct remains the same - viewing sports events like horse racing is probably an aquired taste that can change with the years.

V.M. - did you view "The Hamiltons" over the weekend at what was billed as "8 Movies to Die For" or something like that - saw the ads for it and was curious if it delivered the goods.

BigD - with my locale I am unable to rent a thing so I buy them outright - you can pick up reasonably priced ZFX films at Red's Realm - I believe they run about $10.00 a shot but be aware they are all used VHS - for me that beats streamload stuff - in fact I am awaiting a shipment from them now.

Stay Well All

This one is easy - it's a crystal clear memory: Meanstreak! This was during the period (1992) when only weak, vanilla bondage was being produced, and the nonconsensual setting amazed me. But more than that, this video had Victoria Vixxen's nice big tits in bondage at the start of the movie - and nobody else was doing tit bondage at the time (the scene is actually shown more completely in Jennifer's Nightmares, but the excerpt in Meanstreak was enough to blow my mind). It also had F/f with Allison Parish playing the domme. I blew it 3 times before the end of the video.

Buckeye - congrats on that win - best college game of the year - the bad news is I was unable to locate any cheerleaders with a bush.

Thanks Sloth, I yelled myself horse Saturday afternoon! One game left to go!

No cheerleaders with bushes!?! What has the midwest come to?

Are the films here lame as far as gimpers go. I have heard they have poor bondage but nice looking women. Is it worth it?

Timerunner76, Celandina, Bakerboy: You all seem to be real eager to push the virtues of Bound Heat, according to your recent posts. How about an actual review of one of their movies? What's so good about them? Otherwise, I'm going to assume you're just overtly spamming the forum without really contributing to the discussions, and start deleting your posts.

A Canadian: I met Robert Altman in college. He's the only real movie director I've ever met. I hadn't heard of his passing until I read your post. He made some great movies, although, looking over his vast body of work, I can't think of any of films that had even one bondage scene. Hard to believe, because he worked in so many different genres.

From the box, it looks an awful lot like a rebranding of a Cal-Star/HoM release that went by the name of Punished (I believe there were three).

I never saw the vids (and the mags are in storage) so I can't be sure but the scenes look awful familiar and I know there was something quite similar in the Punished series.

Go to the website and check out the moderately extensive collection of photos in the gallery. If it looks interesting, it is, if it doesn't, it won't be.

Both are from the mid 80s, Brazilian, and are worth seeing because of the starlet they share, Suzanne Carvalho, an absolutely gorgeous brunette.

The First is "Women In Fury", a classic WiP film, notable for a lot of nudity, a lesbian rape by a guard using a nightstick (off screen, of course -- this is softcore), and a long scene in which Suzanne gets stripped naked and beaten with water-soaked towels by the other female inmates so that the "lead bitch" can have fun with her.

The second is "Massacre in Dinosaur Valley" (aka Cannibal Ferox 2), with a standard plot of a group of hot women who are stranded in the deep Amazon when their plane goes down. All but three of the survivors (a blonde, Suzanne, and the male lead/hero) are quickly dispatched by various events. THEN they are captured by cannibals, stripped to loin cloths, rescued by the good guy, captured by diamond smugglers (and Suzanne is raped by the head honcho -- mostly offscreen but VERY hot nontheless. YOW.). They escape, and the bad guys are killed in the process.

If you like hardbodied brunettes with lean, tan legs and firm, c-cup tits and a gorgeous face, Suzanne is about perfect, and in both of these movies she is full frontal for a good enough portion of the film. It's a shame these two movies (along with a couple presumably Brazillian TV series) are her entire body (ahem!) of work.

That's a Violence 3 box. There's a white '03' on the title, kind of hard to see. Violence 3 box

Laurie Sands is the model on front and back cover. She was also in Cal Star's Punished 3 vid. But the scenes are not the same. In v3, she's a nurse wearing white, not so in P3. V3 has actual dildo insertion, and needle torment; he sticks them in her boobs. Interestingly enough, both flicks have a board with nails her boobs are pressed against.

I've seen Cal Star Punished vids 1 thru 6, so there's more than three. I think there may even be more (7 and up), but I'm not sure.

I hesitated a bit before using "Final Solution" (a goodly number of my relatives were part of that solution), but I hoped that appreciation for bad puns would win out over (very) bad taste. Sorry if it caused any problems.

Sloth

Bonnie Bernstein and Lisa Salters look OK, but I think we can have better Sideline Babes. I'll have to do a search. The SB's have to do the play-by-play of the bondage, whipping, raping and strangling or they get tortured (of course, they get everything the cheerleaders got anyway, but we let them hope for a while...)

Ralphus

As long as the beautiful, intelligent and generous Ms Flade provides us with pics, it would be discourteous not to display them. (I want more!)

Re my boundheat posts:

This is your quote:" When the Whipping Scenes In Movies Database (www.wsimd.com) finally closed its doors, we here at the GIMP decided that this important site should somehow remain on the net for its legion of fans."

This is how originally found your board. Looking for wsimd. I have highly valued your effort of preserving this database which featured shots and references to many mainstream movies, B movies and even few "C" films. It was dedicated to the fans of this type of erotica. It was NOT a bondage porn, nor rape them en masse porn site and certainly NOT home made porn videos site. I also appreciated your willingness NOT to censor posters likely banned by other boards as this is not only gutsy in today's world, but since I am also a fan of free speech very commendable on your part.

In the spirit of the original wsimd I thought that the gimp may want to have similar feel to it, at least once a while. I also believe that many of your visitors are NOT just "meat and potato" erotica fans but many are quite sophisticated and like some "imagination and drama" with theirs.

Yes, I am a fan of gimp, wismd, wip, dids or any other related erotica but with its consumption I do like to use a bit of my brain not just my gonads. That is why I push Bound Heat as I believe there is no one else out there carrying the banner of the good old Ilsa movies (made by Canadians by the way).... maybe with the odd one movie like The Pet...

The quality level of sideline babes seems to have declined recently. There's a baseball reporter named Erin Andrews who's kind of hot, but I wouldn't give you a dime for the rest of them.

And just to set the record straight, I don't have a problem with alerting our readers if there's a website you want to promote. On-topic spamming is allowed as long as it does not become excessive, and those same people are making an effort to contribute to the group. You're certainly welcome to post here whenever you like. For instance, what's this Pet movie you were talking about? What can you tell us about it?

Sloth, Buckeye, et al, all this talk about Big Ten cheerleaders has got me down since I'm a Big East fan and the conference sucks (overrated?) this year. The only consolation for me is that your posts have convinced me that it's about time I replay "Cheerleaders of Perious U" again. Thanks.

Unfortunately, I do have to say it's too bad about the victim's fake-looking boob job. Another case of an attractive woman with an unnecessary and badly done enhancement.

I guess I just don't get it when women accept lifestyles like that. If they willingly allow themselves to wear a collar and live in a cage, sorry, that just doesn't do it for me. Take the same scenario and stick that girl in a cage and have her crying and unhappy, and it's a must-see.

I felt the same way after watching Secretary. I admit it was a good movie, I'm a fan of Maggie Gyllenhaal and she did get tied up a few times, but it isn't something I would watch to get turned on. It's just that consensual aspect that rubbed me the wrong way. If she likes it, that's just no fun.

Looked interesting for sure. Attractive woman- naive- learning what its like to be dominated. Then abducted by slavers, story turns to non-consensual kidnapping and domination.

Having said that, I thought the trailer looked pretty good. Yes, it's too bad they had to make the thing consensual, but I think the guy using his money and power to convince the woman to submit to some degrading situations still has potential.

Plus, I say any mainstream movie that includes a woman hanging upsidedown and naked deserves some consideration.

What ever happened to the DVD about the Homolka/Bernardo case?

As crime buff I followed that case for years. Karla got some deal from Canada since they did not know about the home movies that were made.

In any event is that DVD available?

Thanks,

Alan

Although there is a temptation to want to blame political correctness or the Christian neo-cons in the Bush White House, the reality is I don't think the producers were able to raise the necessary funds to continue pushing forward with the distribution of this movie.

The movie -- about real-life Canadian sadists/killers Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka -- was released in theatres in Canada last winter to generally bad reviews (including my review, from a GIMP perspective, which is available in the archives). It wasn't the shocker in Canada that the producers expected, and it closed after a few weeks, generating little if any profit. To the best of my knowledge, it never did open theatrically in the U.S.

A few months ago, it was being reported the movie would be released on DVD, and then -- at the last minute -- the release date was unexplainably pushed back to an indefinite date.

My guess is you will never see it on DVD. However, I wouldn't feel bad about it. The movie was quite lame.

That the movie has not been released does not surprise me. I agree that I believe it was never shown in the United States. I do know and rightly so that the victims families were very upset about the whole affair.

Based on all that I have read about the case I and some friends always felt that Karla was no victim but a sadist who probably actually killed the 2 girls.

On another note I have been to Canada many times and enjoyed every visit.

Like our Canadian friend said, the movie is apparently a stinker, but the subject manner and the notoriety of the case should surely give the producers the impetus to raise the funds for a North American DVD release. But my guess is that there's something else behind this. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Canadian government (which imposes even more stringent censorship than the current Bush regime here in the states) is behind burying the movie. Of course, they'll never come out and admit it. But it's all rather mysterious how it came and went with barely a whisper, and now has apparently disappeared off the radar, when it should have been out on DVD months ago.

Now, I have used a few qualifiers in my admission of error, as I am a little skeptical about that copy being sold on ebay. I hope the person who forks out the big dollars doesn't get one of those hand-made pirated movies that someone made while sitting with a camcorder (or whatever) inside a movie theatre. The absence of any convincing cover art for the DVD in that ebay listing is a bit curious.

The seller has a very good reputation (almost a 1000 responses, and 98% favorable). Looks like there's cover art down in the main section. Those are pretty good indications that it's legit. Hard to say.

Frankly, some of the people who have offered to sell me pirated movies at one of my local subway stations have done a better job creating new cover art for their DVDs.

It's also worth noting, perhaps, that Monterey Media, the company that would likely be responsible for the DVD, doesn't have Karla listed among its DVD titles. And Monterey does distribute movies in the U.K. (For those who think the name is familiar, Monterey is the company that released those wonderful Ginger movies).

But I don't want to sound defensive. The fact is I could be wrong. My only word of advice would be that anyone buying off ebay should check with the seller to determine what type of disc it is, i.e., is it a regular DVD disc or a DVD-R disc. If it's DVD-R, it's a bootleg.

The DVD is rated [18]for the UK and numbered HFD 8611. The cover showing a close up of the face of the actress playing Karla had been made to look used and scratched.

I hope this helps.

But just look at the retail price for the movie. I certainly don't think Karla is worth that amount, or anything near it.

E. Flynn, since you own a copy of the movie, I would be curious to know if your assessment of the film is similar to mine. I saw it in the theatres in January and found the movie to be pretty lame.

Second. I would agree completely with your assessment of the movie. I feel I was ripped off paying £7.99. I would advise any GIMP whose curiosity to see this film gets the better of him or her not pay more than a couple of $ to see it. It is just not worth it.

There is very little bondage in the movie. And as everyone knows it is a very grim tale to tell and watch.

There is no full nudity by any actress in the movie, bare breasts are covered by hair or arms/hands at all times. Virurlly the only bondage in the film is near the end when 'Karla' Laura Prepon has her hands tied in front of her, Cleave gagged and then taken doggy stile by her partner in crime. You only see her wrists tied for a couple frames. I would admit the cleave gag was very impressive. He then tries to strangle her while still having sex. All this in close up on her face. It all sound far better then it looks, believe me.

http://www.horrorfestonline.com/film4.html

Looking at your comments, I get the sense at least one scene was a little bit better on DVD than in the theatre. I'm referring to the scene where Karla is gagged and her husband, Bernardo, takes her doggie style. In the movie theatre, the picture was so blurred I couldn't tell what type of gag she had in her mouth. Since you were able to determine it was a cleave gag, I would guess that this scene was either cleaned up for the DVD, or the print that was made for the theatres was really bad. Most likely, the print for the theatres was bad.

I have to tell you I'm getting VERY pumped after seeing the latest trailer for The Hamiltons, which is a different trailer than the one VM linked last time. This one showed a bit more bondage, such as the blonde being dragged into the basement already bound and gagged, plus something I hadn't really noticed before...there's some damn good-looking women in that movie! So if you're going to have a bunch of chicks tied up in a movie, make sure they're pretty. That's one thing this one has in its favor right from the start. It's all about casting, casting, casting.

This will never play out where I live, and I checked, no DVD release date yet. We'll have to be patient, I guess. This looks like one to check out for sure.

"The Hamiltons" is the one that looks best to me, although some of the others look kind of fun. But we won't know for probably at least three months. (They may release the DVD next Halloween.)

How about just a couple (or one) of the setup pics? Pre the bondage, stripping, penetration.

Remember Jennifer Jason Leighs scene, in THE HITCHER? She gets tied and gagged and stretched out between two cars! Great scene.

Well, anyway, the remake of it is due out January 19th, and the girl who stars in the movie is gorgeous!!!!! SOPHIA BUSH!!!

But get this: I just heard she's playing the C. Thomas Howell part in the movie!

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE SAY IT AINT TRUE!

GODDAMN IT!!!!!!! Leave it to Hollywood to fuck up another good scene! >:o

So what the fuck? Is it gonna be a guy that takes the bondage scene?:-(

I fucking hate Hollywood!

It's fucking disturbing how guys are taking on the helpless role in Hollywood.

Bondage in movies is a total sausagefest these days :(

If you blink you will miss it.

I was right! Its a fucking guy taking the bondage part!!!! Thats that damn guy shes with!

IM FUCKING PISSED!!!!!>:o I fucking swear, Hollywood is filled with a bunch of Homo directors!

Whats with the shifting of bondage roles these days? ARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

(SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANY HOMOS OUT THERE!)

It could really get a person down. Yet, somehow, this has got me thinking, and here's a question I throw open to the group:

If you were given the power to create a special scene for a movie that stars your favorite actress -- let's say Jessica Alba, or whoever -- but you could only choose one option for the scene, torture or rape, which would you choose? And why?

Personally, I would go for rape, as I think the sense of violation and degradation in a well-done rape scene is just a little bit better than even the best torture scene.

However, that's just my opinion -- I wonder what others think? Who knows, maybe Ralphus will even sanction this question as an official poll.

Sounds like a poll to me!

The original Hitcher had a great scene for Jennifer Jason Leigh (vidcap above). That was back in her Ridgement High years when she was still hot, and it was also refreshingly nice to see her not get rescued. So when I heard they were remaking the movie with the even hotter Sophia Bush, I got excited, too. So what the hell?! Looks like no bondage for her, and even worse, it's her candy-ass boyfriend who gets the treatment! Let me ask you, who was the moron who approved that script? Do they think people really enjoy seeing men get tied up?

I read a quote on Brian's Page years ago that still sticks with me. Men like to see women tied up. And women...like to see women tied up.

Yeah, yeah, I know. It ain't PC to tie up women anymore. Uh huh. Jessica Alba lands a TV role and what do they cast her as? A butt-kicking avenger? Give me a break. No wonder they canceled that show. Jessica Alba knows better than anyone what the proper role for her is: Helpless Victim.

Anyway, off my soapbox. I see people are already responding so let's get this poll rolling and get this place talking.

Here's A Canadian's question all highlighted in green. Yes, it's an official GIMP poll.

GIMP POLL:
If you were given the power to create a special scene for a movie that stars your favorite actress -- let's say Jessica Alba, or whoever -- but you could only choose one option for the scene, torture or rape, which would you choose? And why?

Let's hear from all of you. It's your chance to voice your opinions. Step right up and do it.

And not to influence anyone, but I'll cast my ballot with a capital T. Torture those bitches! Watch 'em scream in pain. Yeah!

My choice would be strictly bound rape. Say, in a good very strict hog Tie.

But isn't rape a form of torture?? Torture comes in two types, physical and mental. I do not understand why anyone would like to see physical torture on a beautiful woman. Why destroy something that you consider beautiful?? Wouldn't it be better to have a sex toy that remains beautiful always?

But mental torture. ie: Forced deep throat with her hand bound behind her back is both rape and mental torture. Is she going to be choked on your dick etc etc?

Another mental torture during rape is the plastic bag over the head, pulled tight round the neck.

So I suppose I would like to eat my cake, but still have it.

Bill Zebub - after looking at the recent posts concerning the state of things in Hollywood, all I can say is thank god for you independent producers. As for your upcoming production, I would personally like to see something as I described above - both rape and torture served in one course - sounds incredibly erotic to me.

Stay Well All

If you were given the power to create a special scene for a movie that stars your favorite actress -- let's say Jessica Alba, or whoever -- but you could only choose one option for the scene, torture or rape, which would you choose? And why?

That's a slam dunk for me! Torture! I'm not into rape. But, as for the actress, I am torn between Angelina Jolie and Laura Harring. You know what I would like as an alternative... Angelina Jolie torturing Laura Harring.

The opening has Nick eating dinner and slobbering over photos of Ginger, a model he desires. He apparently is broke and is living in the basement of a clothing store where he works. Enter his boss, a snotty, arrogant bitch, Victoria, who berates his every word and action and tells him to get to work. He overhears her phone conversation with Ginger who is flying into town the next day with a load of drugs. He overpowers her, binding her wrists behind and takes her to the basement where she is bound to an upright, arms at her sides and cord around her neck. He crotch ropes her and masturbates into a jar which he leaves near her. He turns out the lights and leaves while she screams at him. He returns looking for her car keys so he can pick up Ginger. When she won't tell him he ties her hands in front and takes her to another room where she is gagged, tied AOH to ceiling standing on a stool. He kicks the stool away and he lashes her as she is suspended. He again whacks off into the jar and says she will need something to drink while he's gone. She relents and gives him the keys. He reties her in a chair with crotch rope attached to a pulley. He gives her a few good hoists then ties off the crotch rope and fondles her boobs and pussy. He hoists one leg up, ties it off and leaves for the airport.

Ginger turns out to be as big a bitch as Victoria. He has a gun and knife with him and takes Ginger to see Victoria. He threatens to slice off Victoria's nipple unless Ginger strips and plays with herself. Ginger is tied AOH against a wall, gagged and has a crotch rope running to Victoria's raised leg. Nick finds the drugs Ginger was bringing in. He takes Ginger down and she gives him oral and then has to make a deposit in the jar. Ginger is then tied arms in front, gagged with arms and chest corded and her hair tied to ceiling. Did I mention her boobs are corded. Nick makes her spread her legs, lashes her crotch and gives her some fondling. He nooses her and the lashing continues.

Nick now has Victoria face down on the floor, wrists behind and gagged and does her ala doggie. When finished he hogties her and leaves. The chicks are now together, Victoria tied wrists behind and gagged against a wall, Ginger chair tied wrists in front leading to Victoria's crotch. He diddles Ginger then leaves. They try to undo their bonds and he returns and lashes Ginger's boobs. Next Ginger is spreadeagled from ceiling by her wrists. Victoria is back to back with her but is inverted with her wrists tied to Ginger's ankles. Then Ginger is spreadeagled and Victoria is arms and wrists behind on her knees licking Gingers pussy. Nick then has Victoria consume the contents of the jar. He brings Ginger down and takes her away. He binds her wrists behind then strappado to ceiling. Victoria manages to free herself and gets Nick's gun. While Nick taps Ginger from behind, Victoria comes in and pops a cap into him and he falls. The End

Movie Pluses - As usual, Whitman has some nice innovative bondage techniques. I was never terribly enthralled with Georgia Van Helsing but in this one she was acceptable as the snotty bitch - and whatever else one can say, Whitman always knew how to maximize his models best assets, the legs.

Movie Minuses - I have no reason to think my copy is any better or worse than others. The picture quality was wildly inconsistent as was the sound. The gritty appearance was traditional Whitman but sometimes it was so dark it was difficult to make out details.

The Verdict - it would seem Whitman violated two of the primal forces of nature - never should your bondage be so shoddy that the chick gets loose and never should the tormentor get whacked by the tormented - I thought this was a cut below the Tourist Trap films which I rated B+ and B - this is a C+ worth a slow nights effort.

By the way Buckeye, just one decent bush shot - sorry. Stay Well All

It's not anything I would have the know-how to install myself, and I don't even know if our technical advisor knows how to do one, but I'll ask him.

Sloth: Very thorough review as always, thanks. You know, it was just a few years ago that I first saw Bittersweet Revenge, considered a bondage classic in every circle. I saw it when Rick Masters remade it, or at least made his homage to it, with Bitter Sweet Persuasion. I compared the two of them in my review (linked in my Homepage URL). To me, there was no contest...the ZFX version was far superior.

Poll Question: That's easy - Rebecca Gayheart/Rape

And yes, in my scene she has a full bush! ;-)

Bill Zebub: I have countless preferences on my site; each of my stories are movies that play in my mind. I have written scripts and given technical/creative assistance to video producers in the past, and enjoyed the results.

For this particular instance I would suggest a chloroform grab with some post-knockout groping. He would then keep her in a jail cell for three days, visiting each day while saying nothing and ignoring anything she says or does. The first day she would mostly be making empty threats and asking questions. The second day she would be more scared, hungry, thirsty, and asking more desperate questions. The third day she would beg for food and water, saying she will do anything. He tells her to remove her pants, back up to the bars, bend over and spread her legs. She will of course argue, bluff, and beg before being convinced she has no other choice. It should then take at least 5-10 minutes of her pride arguing with her hunger before she finally complies, hesitating and becoming more and more humiliated between each of the following steps. 1)Turns away and opens front of pants. 2)Lowers pants. 3)Lowers panties. 4) Backs to bars, grasping them tightly, sniffling. 5)Moves feet apart, fighting back tears. 6) Spreads legs wider, shedding a few tears. 7)Bends over slowly, sobbing uncontrollably.

After fucking her, he tells her to get dressed and make herself pretty. He gives her makeup, etc. He brings food and they have dinner. He tells her the rules of her enslavement over dinner. Of course she will need to be taught more lessons and punished for an escape attempt in the coming days. I think it also important at the onset that she have a very girl-next-door innocent excuse for why she was hitchhiking this one and only time.

Jefferson

BUT some physical torture is of course fine - but rape is still my vote.

I'm too out of touch with today's starlets to give an opinion, but probably, from what I've seen of them, either Lindsay Lohan or that chick from the remake of 'Dukes of Hazzard'.

BTW, I agree that we're almost like two political camps, but aren't we an inspiration to people the world over, that brotherhood can't be broken despite one group preferring torture and one rape?!? ;-)

I gotta chime in on this poll. DEFINITELY torture!

You gotta love the pleading, fearful look in a girl's eyes as you're torturing her.

I prefer the cleaner method of asphyxiation, so her beautiful body isn't all disfigured in any way!

As far as a choice of damsels, I would choose some bitch who really deserves it, such as Ashlee Simpson, or Christina Aguilera!

I would tape these bitches mouths and noses closed, and watch the show!

Rich

I get my pleasure out enjoying myself physically and forcefully through a woman's body not mutilating it.

D.

Rape and torture (and strangling) is the best combination, but if I just have to pick one, torture wins.

For the girls, I have to go with these pics for now:

Michelle Trachtenberg

Michelle Trachtenberg and Zoe Saldana

Hallie Berry

Rape: 13
Torture: 13

And I think sgtmajor voted for both, but if I'm wrong, then put him in the right column.

Come on, break the deadlock! Vote early and vote often!

Concerning my dreams :

I strictly fantasize. In one of my texts, Jessica Alba is the perfect latina leftist student I imagine tortured in some south-american dictature, let's say Banzer's Bolivia. She's tortured naked on a chair, tied with barbed wire with a hood on the face, and she describes what she feels and hears, noises, the smelling fat officer and his terrific cigar, the blood of her wounds mixed with her rules...

Is forcible face fucking rate or torture? It is torture I would include that in the above choice.

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