Later.

Abduction/ initial attack: I would rate this as a 4, even if it's not that long. The reason is because it sets up the story and makes it most believable that the girl or girls are put into this situation in the first place. Without it, I have a hard time buying the rest of the story.

Onscreen stripping/ humiliation: This would be a 5 in my book, and this is one thing I would make sure Rick Masters pays attention to in the future, particularly if you can get the girl to cry convincingly. It's more dramatic to see that she is having her dignity taken away from her, in the form of her clothing. It also shows that she is no longer in control, and bad things are about to happen to her that she has no power over.

Tight ropes/ bondage: Clearly a 5. Simply put, if she's not tied up correctly, she could possibly escape. Make sure she can't. This means having the wrists tied behind her and the ankles tied together. It's a turn-on the see a pretty girl struggle in inescapable ropes.

Multiple victims: This wouldn't rate any higher than 3 in my book. If you have more than one girl being taken, it spoils the realism of the story. A girl grabbed off the street is one thing, but several girls grabbed off the street is pushing it a little.

Attractiveness of the girl(s): 3 or 4. The girls should be pretty, but not necessarily beautiful. The girl-next-door is my favorite type of victim, and not necessarily a fashion model.

Torture: This would rate just a 2. I don't especially like seeing the girls too badly hurt. ZFX torture scenes are sometimes too harsh for me. I would rather see the girls mentally humiliated than tortured.

Rape: Have to give this one a 5. I like the idea of taking a pretty girl against her will. In my opinion, ZFX is brave for even trying to show scenes like this, because most of the other bondage companies I've seen shy away from even implying that the girl is taken sexually. That's the whole reason for abducting her in the first place.

Escape/rescue: I would say 4. The story has to continue to its logical conclusion. A lot of ZFX tapes leave you hanging, but that's just because they draw the stories out over several tapes. I could have done without the guy getting his willy cut off in that last one, though.

What do you guys think?

Jaeckill

Except for the part about different scenes being OK.

Joe X

One more point. I agree with Jaeckill. I don't like rescues or escapes, unless they lead to the victim being recaptured again. In fact, it's kind of cool when the girl thinks she's gotten away and she ends up getting it even worse after she is grabbed again. Nothing pisses off a villain more than seeing his prize capture try to double-cross him. Because once she's caught again, we know he'll really take out his wrath on her. That'll teach her for trying to escape! Heehee!

Question and comment on the new streaming vidio site: Maybe the techies can answer, how are the clips viewed? Real Player? One of the Media programs? What advice on streaming video can be given to the technically ignorant? 2)Comment: For those of us who can get our ZFX fix pretty easily, a video site is ho-hum, UNLESS- there is something on there we can't get on the videos, outakes, raw footage, previews from progects further in the future than the next one up. Then we starts jones'n bad! Think about this: interviews with the girls, questions provided by this esteemed panel! Also: Rick, howabout a discreet billing option (money orders etc..) for those who would rather not see pornish things on the credit card bill....

Ralphus- Yeah the Japanese are good, but I have to put Rick half a notch above their best. Maybe if I understood the language it would be different (and I just don't get that schoolgirl uniform/white panty thing.) Or maybe I just like to buy American!

(exit with chants of USA! USA! USA...)

I have no interest in either bondage or torture. Your basic run of the mill pornography is more my speed.I only rent ZFX for any masturbation or lesbian scenes involving Lisa. Any non bondage release with her would be a welcome release, definitely.

Horndog, we have had this discussion in several ways over the past few years, and learned that Rick's audience is very varied. For example, I turn to Rick's vids for the bondage plus sex aspect, but I'm rarely turned on by rape/torture fantasies, screaming, etc. - I think willing submission by the "victim" is much sexier. Just my opinion, but one thing that is clear is that viewers tune in to zfx vids for different reasons and to satisfy different jollies than others have. With that said, on to your "poll":

Abduction/ initial attack: 5. I especially like scenes of masturbation, etc.

Onscreen stripping/ humiliation: 5. Yes, very sexy.

Tight ropes/ bondage: 6. (smile) - The tighter the better, chains are even better. I'm not being inconsistent here, while I prefer consensual submission I like the psychological aspect of such submission and the girl grappling with the extremity of what she is signing herself up for. That's why I often focus on the ZFX actress as actress, because there is the real girl who has made that kind of psychological calculation which I find so sexy, and willingly decided, yes, I can do this, I can bear this.

Multiple victims: 3. Depends. If the one actress is good, is beautiful, etc., often that's enough. But multiple actresses increases the odds of a scenario/performance which hits the mark.

Attractiveness of the girl(s): 4. It helps.

Torture: 2. I agree with you about the more extreme aspects not being a turn on, esp. the bloody noses and the whipping, which usually seems too formulaic.

Rape: 2. Again, I like that psychological edge, so the degree to which the scenario reflects the victim thinking about her fate, the better. (i.e. there are two bound beauties and one is watching the other get raped (think Toolbox Abductions) clearly thinking, "I'm next", and watching with a look of both attraction and repuslion, like looking at a car accident.

Escape/rescue: 3. Agree with the others, only if it leads back into the cage. And agree with you, I can't see any need for the type of "cut off the guy's dick and leave" scene at the end of Phallicide.

Here are a few questions of my own:

Pace: 10. The slower the better. Slow menace is sexy.

Noise/Struggle/screaming: 1. A little struggle, fine, but it doesn't do much for me.

Gags: 5. The more difficult to bear, the better, i.e. a long penis gag would be very sexy. Ball gags are great, too. Cleave gags with scarfs, not so sexy.

Again, my own preference is for willing submission, but for that willing submission to be a true, dramatic affirmative embrace of very definitive bondage/loss of control/sex, i.e. yes, she is agreeing to be tightly bound and lose all physical control, is agreeing to be definitively gagged and lose all ability to protest, etc.

zee-ef-ex

Speaking of zee-ef-ex's most recent post, he mentioned consensual submission as being among his favorite themes. It got me thinking that the whole reason I prefer ZFX's work to most other mainstream bondage offerings is because the action is NOT consensual. My problem with most other bondage vids is that the performers all seem to be going along with the action, often willingly allowing themselves to be bound to racks and whipped, and usually by some damn woman in bondage gear, which automatically rings false in my mind. Number one, seeing all the participants tattooed and clothed in leather S&M gear putting on a "show" for the camera stinks of unbelievably from the start. What girl would willingly put herself though "torture" unless she's "into it" from her own lifestyle. I don't want to watch a bunch of freaks having playtime for the camera, I want to see real girls put into danger from some mysterious psycho, and consensuality should never enter into it. None of the scenarios in ZFX tapes involve consensual sex; it is always forced, and the girls act like they don't want it. If, during a rape scene, the victim suddenly acted like she was enjoying her ordeal, the scene would lose its edge immediately for me. This is not a slight on zee-ef-ex or Britney or anyone else who enjoys the masturbation and consensual aspects of these tapes. It's just my opinion that if you want to see stuff like that, there are thousands of other hardcore vids that offer just those very things. I think ZFX works because they offer the darker alternative to that kind of video.

Anyone care to discuss this further?

g-in-o: You read me correctly.

Ralphus: I think there are several different types of consensual submission. There's the type you are referring to, which generally appears on tape as playful and not "serious", or in the alternative as completely humorless, in either case perhaps psychologically "dead", IMO.

One of the reasons I find ZFX's tapes so compelling (and there are several reasons, including the beutiful women, and the sexual content which is missing from many other bondage tapes), is the appearance of terror and psychological torment. As I said, I rarely have rape fantasies, but what I do enjoy is playing in that netherland where the woman is challenging herself, testing her own limits. So yes, she is gulping, she is having second thoughts, she is wondering if she can go through with it, she recoils from the sight of the whip (or what have you), she knows she is going to do something she has never done before and isn't sure if she will like it...and yet she plunges ahead despite all of her fears. That female strength and courage is what turns me on.

Think how hard it would be to do some of those things portrayed in a ZFX film. Imagine Rick explaining the script to Lisa: "Okay, first we're going to chain you tightly to the wall, naked, in a really uncomfortable position; then we're going to whip you and put sharp clothespins on the most intimate parts of your body; then we'll dunk you upside down in a vat of water until you are choking and gagging; then we'll shove a huge dildo down our throat until you gag; and finally take that dildo and ream your ass with it." Picture going through some of that stuff yourself! It would take real courage and inner strength, and I am grateful that so many of the women of the world have that kind of strength, to submit to the crazy things their men want to do to them in order to please their men (and hopefully, themselves).

So, yes, ZFX portrays non-consensuality. But on another level, it also portrays wide-eyed actresses, real people like Lisa saying, yes, I will put myself through that. That's sexy to me. Different strokes for different folks, right?

zee-ef-ex

zee-ef-ex: I actually understand what you mean, the gnostic view of ZFX in which the victim is the protagonist (even though we really do not want her to escape). One almost wants to rescue them. Almost. To use Freudian terms, could this be a struggle between the super ego and the whip wielding id? Or to paraphrase Jessica Rabbit, I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way. To extend the theme beyond story lines to the actresses themselves, I find myself thinking of them with a certain affection and gratitude, even though the "vanilla" world would view the movies and fans misogynous to say the least.

Brittany: Some repeating ZFX actresses have become a sub-fetish in their own right. Lisa probably most of all, and I would watch her with interest in all sorts of sexual activities. I would always come back to ZFX though, because she looks so great suffering. It's all in the eyes (and nipples made for clothespins!). I've always wished she would have her own web site. Would I buy a signed picture? Probably not, but I would consider it. I would pay for membership though, and if there was a Lisa-cam, I would watch it...for hours and hours and hours...

Later.

AvF: I myself enjoy a good storyline,too. That's what I appreciate about Rick's movies, even though I'm not a bondage fan. His stories are creative and cohesive, and for those reasons(well,that and Lisa),I consider myself a fan.

Back in late September, I mentioned that I used to have a link to an interactive online game, done with animation, where you could shock a bound girl on either her tits or her pussy. I'm happy to report that the site has a new URL, and clicking the above link takes you directly to the game. It has a glitch with the lower level of intensity once the girl has passed out, but it's not that big a deal. It also has audio now where it didn't before. So if you feel like reaching out and shocking someone, this is your chance. Make her suffer, boys!

Britney welcome. It's nice to see another female poster to the forum! I had to do a double take for a moment, thinking you were the Britney I had contacted to do a custom video for me, but she goes by Britney Rears. Never did have the video made but we started e-mailing back and forth until losing contact. Both of us just too busy I guess.

Any way welcome again and please continue to share the female side ( yes I know you're not all to much into it but still).

Later.

AvF: Thanks for the greeting.

I just wish the action was REALLY slowed down. As I have posted before, I like the psychological trip, enjoy an atmosphere of menace. I would be perfectly happy with a scene which took five full minutes for the abductor to cross the room, select a gag, approach the victim, and slowly pull it into her moth and tie it. The slower, the better.

zee-ef-ex

What mainstream actress would you like to see in a ZFX film, and why? I opt for Shannon Elizabeth. She's cute, of course, but also seems a little sassy, brash, outspoken, the kind of woman you would really like to see taken through her paces, sexually. Plus, there is the added mystique of what she now considers her gaffe (so potentially ruinous to her acting career) of admitting on Howard Stern's show that she likes anal sex. For me, that's a plus (smile), and makes me more interested in her and supportive of her career, not less so.

What mainstream actress would you like to see be Rick's next victim? Rick, any fantasies about this yourself?

zee-ef-ex

1)Lisa Kinkaid in "South of the Border IV" Bound standing up with her arms tight to her sides, Lisa is worked over by a stun gun. A well acted, sweaty scene it would rank high on this list even without the surprise ending where she looses control of her bladder due to the intensity of her ordeal. And the moment right before hand when she looks up at her tormentor weakly with a silent plea- Priceless!

2)Kimberly Noble in "666" Electrodes in all the right places, Kimberly acts this scene to the max, even while (literally) tounge tied! Great body movement, especially the way she swivels on her hips, apparently going in and out of consciousness.

3) Penelope Pace in "The Violation of Vikki Fixx" Penelope strapped to a bicycle and shocked into action, a very nice relentless scene. 4) Alison Parrish in "Guinea Pigs-2" Spread wide on a bed without a mattress. Take a look at the box cover, it says it all..

5) Lisa Kinkaid in "Whiplash -IV, the Whip Shock Experiment" Great build up as the unconscious Lisa is stripped, examined and fondled on an operating table. Great acting and the long duration of the scene bring it all home.

6) Candi Licks in "Witchfinder" Bound and plugged on an old chair, Candi is shocked for a confession. Nice hand action as her tied fingers extend with each shock.

7) Lisa Kinkaid in "Voodoo Dolls-II" Bound standing on a box, the application of jumper cables has her flailing in mid air in no time. The fact that she is suspended without being able to touch the ground makes the scene for me.

Its not called ZFX/Shockwave for nothing...

Mainstream actress? Lisa comparisons aside (I kind of see it) I would like to see Jessica Alba in a ZFX production so as to get to see the capture and interrogation scenes we wish we saw on "Dark Angel". I also would not mind seeing "Wild On" Brooke Burke for an extended stay on a ZFX hot spot.

Nice to see the international audience showing up on the board. Keep up the world wide posts!

8) "Future Shock": One of the all-time greats, and in one of ZFX's oldest titles. Alison Parish is tied spread-eagled to a bed, ballgagged and zapped unmercifully by Travis Lee, who taunts her by yelling "Fry, you bitch, fry!" :o)

9) "Ballista 2": This tape is full of great electric shock scenes, with Lisa Kinkaid leading the way with two outstanding performances, one a suspended shocking with a violet wand (Excellent!) and all wired up with probes in her pussy and ass for an "electric chair" treatment later on in the tape. Barbara Bayer also joins in the fun a couple of times.

10) "War Pigs 4": Lisa again, in one of her many amazing performances in this sort of scene (She's probably the all-time champ for getting her pretty body shocked the most times in ZFX tapes). In this one, she's tied to a chair and zapped with a stun gun by Cindy Macreedy in a very impressive torture sequence.

11) "Whiplash 2", with Chandra Sweet steals the entire movie with her great suffering as she endures electric torment to her nipples and pussy at the hands of "Doctor" Brian Dunhill (Makes me want to go to medical school!). Hank Hobbs has some excellent stills from this scene at his ZFX Caps site (See URL above).

12) "Gangstarr": Poor Monica Moore is forced to straddle an electric bar between her legs, while wearing spiked heels and with her ass stuffed full of a forced enema, complete with dildo plug to keep it inside. Brian Dunhill repeatedly shocks her and berates her with some hilariously mean dialogue, while his girlfriend Chandra laughs and thoroughly enjoys watching Monica suffer. One of ZFX's all-time best videos.

A few choice mainstream titles: Again, Oliver Stone's "Heaven and Earth" and "Barbed Wire Dolls" (by the incredibly prolific Jess Franco, who brings a Rick Masters-like sensibility to most of his works) are both great choices. That latter one is hard to track down, but worthwhile if you can. I put up a still from the scene at:

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ralphus44/m09-barbed01.jpg

Another overlooked gem is the 1980s low-budget horror title "Fatal Pulse", with a topless girl gagged and electrically shocked and killed while tied to an electrified bed frame. It's a long, nasty, ZFX-worthy scene that should not be missed. I'm pretty sure Hank Hobbs has stills from that on his other movie caps site. Hank, you'll have to give out the URL for that one; I'm not sure I have it.

One more excellent mainstream scene is "Executive Power", which you might find in most larger video stores. It's from a couple of years ago and stars the absolutely gorgeous blonde Andrea Roth. She gets suspended off the ground by her wrists, doused with water and jolted with a stun gun before the bad guy tries to kill her by placing a plastic bag over her head. I can't recommend this movie highly enough.

Finally, mainstream actresses in a ZFX video (as if this post isn't already long enough), I would also go with Jessica Alba and Katie Holmes, and how about "Planet of the Apes" star Estella Warren? Gotta go, I'm starting to drool all over my computer keyboard.

Later.