ElitePain - Treasure Hunt - Linda

[Pedro]

@Pedro Did you drive Tatjana home after the TH like after the interview? Did she feel like she got her anger out? What did she have to say?

Usually the former host takes home Amanda as they live in the same towm, and I take home Tatjana since she doesn't have a car or a driver's licence since her accident...

This time however Amanda went home alone (she didn't want company) so. the former host joined me to take home Tatjana...and the drive tales almost an hour, so.we had time to.talk....

What did she have to say?? Without being authorized to share what she told, I think if she could turn back time she wouldn't do this to Amanda again.

Yanni - Thanks for the support!!!

[Bullwhiplover]

Losing Amanda would be terrible she is better then any other with my favorite instrument the bullwhip
Love the way she swing it on the back whipping

[Zimolex]

Loosing Amanda is suicide... I hope EP realizes the damage Tatjana is doing to their brand on time and put a check to it. Without doubt, Amanda is the best dom EP has ever had. It's sad that Tatjana gets away with things like this on a daily

[Yanni]

If we can put things into context of who these movies are for and what they're about, Tatjana is far and away the better over Amanda. Amanda's mind trick with Amirah was epic, but in the long run, the goal is more harsh, more tears and more pain; in that, Tatjana has no rival.

I've said it before, Pedro, think we really need to get away from the whole "Dom" and "Sub" labeling. It's confusing many people on here who understand D-S relationships to think that's what this is and that's what they are. They execute the games. Call them implementers or game masters. They're not dom's and these aren't some sex and submission type of movies so people need to quit comparing them. These girls come to play a game. It's not love bondage.

Did Tatjana cross the line? Well, did she do something illegal? If not, please allow her to continue making your movies the best by far in the entire niche market. She knows what true sadists want and for that she is the queen. And to those who say punish her, I, in fact, believe she deserves a raise. To those who say EP is dwindling and losing models because of their "questionable whatever", why don't you mind your business and let them mind theirs because they're producing content you couldn't dream of competing against with your vanilla attitudes.

Pedro, the "suggestions" I've read all point to turning EP into a bland mainstream BDSM studio. Softer, kinder, gentler, and more empathetic. I can't explain to you how it infuriates me to read that when those people have a multitude of options for those sites yet want to wreck the last real bastion of hardcore whipping movies with attractive women on the net. You're the expert and you make amazing movies. Please don't cater to a vocal minority on here. Your real fans love what you're doing.

Yanni, the labels aren't "confusing". We do games here as well from time to time BUT...the set rules are ALWAYS followed. No bending or breaking them from any participants. That's the big difference here.

Bending or breaking a set rule sets a bad precedent. Even worse if the rule breaking isn't addressed or punished. If it goes unchecked nobody will want to play the game.

So the question here is this: is one person worth the loss of revenue for the company? That's something the producers have to ask themselves.

Yanni, nobody's saying to lighten up on the BDSM. What we're saying is they need to differentiate between actual sadism and an out-of-control woman who's simply damaging their brand whenever she drives off yet another model. A true sadist can do what Tatjana does and have the person they play with beg to come back no matter what's been done to them. There's a mental game (ie, mindfucking) that needs to be played as well as a physical one.

Tatjana is no sadist. True sadism is best wielded like a scalpel, not a club. Tatjana has some issues that need to be worked out with a support group, not in front of a camera.

Amanda is the best Domina EP has and Ariel has the best mental game out of the three. Losing Amanda will certainly damage the EP brand.

You do games? Where? Where can I buy the quality of games I'm getting from EP? Let me know.

What does "out-of-control" mean? Drives them off by causing drama? Drives them off by insulting them? Or drives them off the sadism show with "too much"... sadism? But wait, if Tatjana is the one "driving off models" then why isn't she being chosen for the switch card more often if she's the bullseye of hate from the players you seem to think she is? Is that logical?

What you're talking about is a Dom. Dominants play head games and know how to get into the head of their subs and it takes a lot of years of experience and specifically multiple sessions with a single sub to know how to get them there.

There's one major reason EP is here and others are so far behind: their system works to push hot girls past their limits within the realm of consent. If you remove that model or give them earlier financial incentives, you have the old series of pain factory where the hot girls would do the least amount and leave with the lowest tier payout and only the fugly's would go to where we have the hot girls going now.

Lastly how do you know EP has had a loss of revenue? In fact, I'll almost guarantee their numbers skyrocketed from the inception of Tatjana and the cruelty/"rule breaking" that transpired because it's a sadism show. At least it's supposed to be a sadism show. Considering you want to get rid of/punish the one who is the most sadistic, can we assume you, and those like you that I previously and rightfully criticized, think it's something else?

[skullchaser]

There's one major reason EP is here and others are so far behind: their system works to push hot girls past their limits within the realm of consent. If you remove that model or give them earlier financial incentives, you have the old series of pain factory where the hot girls would do the least amount and leave with the lowest tier payout and only the fugly's would go to where we have the hot girls going now.

This is exactly what I saw in the 4 Pain Factory videos. There were always a couple of hot chicks willing to take 4 or 5 lashes of a whip to some part of their body, do a couple of different positions, and then leave with a little more money than they came with. The fugly ones were the ones desperate for cash and willing to go farther to get it. Pretty girls weren't that desperate.

The key difference is that some of the PF girls were simply girls that walked in off the streets in answer to an advertisement. That was how EP found models. Now, EP uses a model agency to recruit players.

The "all or nothing" model keeps the pro girls engaged. After those first couple of lashes have marked their bodies, they might as well keep going because welts are assignment limiters. Hard to book a girl for a travel brochure shoot if she has a giant welt across her chest. So, in for a penny, in for a pound. And a pound is exactly what they get.

Here are 3 of my favorites from the Pain Factory series.

[Jan]

I just wondered about how many rounds Linda had to endure and which ones. There seem to be 24 cards being removed (42 cards originally on board, 6 rows time 7, 18 cards remaining). The switch card needed 5 cards (10+count backwards+double or nothing+switch+full body). The suspension round seeing in last easter egg needed at least 3 cards (suspension+number of strokes+body part). The last round still visible on board needed 3 cards (gag+50+belly) and 4 treausures were found. That means 9 cards for probably 2 rounds (1-2 cards could come in addition to the suspension round). I just wonder about what else Linda had to suffer. Pedro, when will you show next clips to enlighten us?

As for Tatjana, well, I love her. I will always support her. I do not believe that Amanda did really quit for certain. But if so, I would forgive Tatjana even this. I hope you manage some more movies with Tatjana.

[Bullwhiplover]

Yes Pedro please some more teasers in the coming weeks

[Amari]

As for Tatjana, well, I love her. I will always support her. I do not believe that Amanda did really quit for certain. But if so, I would forgive Tatjana even this. I hope you manage some more movies with Tatjana.

I also love her ... and Amanda too! it's not said enough, because she wasn't bashed.

Without being authorized to share what she told, I think if she could turn back time she wouldn't do this to Amanda again.

There's a chance Tatjana will find a way to make it up to Amanda ( although she doesn't seem to be very good at it. Pedro should help )

The mixture of bickering and complicity between Amanda and Tatjana was much more interesting and sadistic than a feud. Amanda did not seem to condemn Tatjana's antics.
And their friendship didn't stop them from whipping each other unbridled.

Private Amanda must be saved !!!

I hope we'll hear about Amanda's return without too much delay.

[Squatchballs]

You do games? Where? Where can I buy the quality of games I'm getting from EP? Let me know.

We do games during play parties. No cams allowed

What does "out-of-control" mean? Drives them off by causing drama? Drives them off by insulting them? Or drives them off the sadism show with "too much"... sadism? But wait, if Tatjana is the one "driving off models" then why isn't she being chosen for the switch card more often if she's the bullseye of hate from the players you seem to think she is? Is that logical?

:out of control" means she can't control herself. A good Domme/Dom doesn't lose their temper. A good Domme/Dom doesn't lose control of themselves in the middle of a scene. They do what Amanda does: keep control of themselves and punish their sub in ways that they'll regret ever mouthing off. No yelling, no screaming, no drama.

What you're talking about is a Dom. Dominants play head games and know how to get into the head of their subs and it takes a lot of years of experience and specifically multiple sessions with a single sub to know how to get them there.

No. What I'm talking about is a responsible partner. Yes, it takes a while to do proper mindgames with a sub BUT reading body language, facial expressions, and talking with the sub before the session also gives a Dom some insight on where to take things and how far can they push before the sub calls "red".

There's one major reason EP is here and others are so far behind: their system works to push hot girls past their limits within the realm of consent. If you remove that model or give them earlier financial incentives, you have the old series of pain factory where the hot girls would do the least amount and leave with the lowest tier payout and only the fugly's would go to where we have the hot girls going now.

That's not the issue here. The issue here is losing aforementioned "hot girls" because their perception is "why should I go through this if the domina "cheats" or doesn't even follow the rules?" If the possibility of winning is seen as impossible or just a lie, the "hot girls" won't keep coming back. Worse yet, they talk to friends and other industry models and give a bad rep for the company. Some may come and try their luck, others just stay away.

Lastly how do you know EP has had a loss of revenue? In fact, I'll almost guarantee their numbers skyrocketed from the inception of Tatjana and the cruelty/"rule breaking" that transpired because it's a sadism show. At least it's supposed to be a sadism show. Considering you want to get rid of/punish the one who is the most sadistic, can we assume you, and those like you that I previously and rightfully criticized, think it's something else?

And again, wrong. You're still missing the point. We know this is a sadism show. We love it. BUT, we'd also like to see returning models so we can enjoy their participation. Anybody want Lyen to come back? What good is a sadist if nobody wants to come back and play with her? What good is a cruel Domina if she keeps pushing girls to quit and not come back?

No matter what, BDSM still relies on trust, even a sadism show. If one doesn't feel they can trust their Domme/Dom to not seriously, permanently, harm them they won't do it no matter how much money you promise. Worse yet, if the Domina gets a reputation of not being able to even control herself during a session or worse, "cheating" to win....it's not worth the hassle. I said this a year ago: if they don't get Tatyana to start following the rules they'll end up with original models leaving and having to work harder to get new girls to take their place. Pedro and Pablo's situations just made it worse.

Criticize us all you want. I've seen this happen firsthand. Now I see it happening again.

[Amari]

SB is very persistent in giving lessons to Pedro, at each return of a player or a friend, pretending again and again that his predictions become true... ... ...

@Pedro:

You're the expert and you make amazing movies. Please don't cater to a vocal minority on here. Your real fans love what you're doing.