Navyrotor wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:19 am
The answer is…
I have NO idea. Perhaps it’s built into us by nature - a male instinct to have power and control… to dominate the weaker sex. And taken to its extreme, that involves putting them in peril, and hurting them in order to witness their helplessness, thereby reinforcing our dominance.
Words out of my mouth, except my command of the English language isn't good enough to put it as eloquently as you did.
Why do people like extreme content? For me it is the ultimate projection of my kinks, way beyond what I am able or would be willing to do in my personal play. I actually prefer stories over videos as I find they work much better with my particular interrogation fantasies. It was a blessing when I stumbled upon the stories by Cortez and in this forum.
I think it a genetical defect inus. Most people don't find any pleaseure in torturing others, furthermore they see us (sadists) as pathetic sick souls...
I cannot recall any memory from my childhood which could led to this "deviation" however I clearly remember that in a VERY early age, I felt a very strong excitement when I saw any spanking or similar scene in TV.
I base my "genetic theory" on to the ground that later in my youth age I found some VHS tapes in my father's collection which featured BDSM films...
The producers may not know it, but they're producing gold for a small minority of us out there.
I think they are quite aware of this...
Slava Ukraini - אני עומד עם ישראל (not politics, just humanity!)
As so many has described their road I'll try to describe mine.
For me it started in early teens or maybe earlier with the fascination of the rear ends of women. Some is going crazy over breasts or legs or hair or eyes or... for me it is buttocks and bottoms. Then, through pornography, mostly written, it developed into also a fascination of spanking. Then, a further development into pain.
But even though some stories of pain or sex under duress might be of interest, the voluntary aspect is very important to me when something real is happening. Also important for me is that it is adults we deal with. The idea of the pupil that has spread from Britain is for me not of interest. I spank women, not girls.
I hide this quite well. I doubt any of those around me think I have sadistic tendencies. I think they find me nice and in most respects except when I have to deal with something that I find has to do with my profession or my expertise I am quite passive.
I have only lived this out with professionals in seven countries (or eight with England/Scotland), submissives and spankees. I have learnt to respect their limits and most are quite tame considering what I really would like to do. Some things I have seen on movies that I would be interested in trying like needles I have never posed the question. Some women, however, mostly in spanking and using other implements, but also other efforts took everything I gave, everything I wished. Those I met in London, Glasgow, Antwerpen, Copenhagen, Hamburg, and Vienna. I think they all have retired now. I also is of the impression that professionals allow less and less. For instance I have read some story of a professional in Copenhagen some forty years ago that allowed at least one customer to stitch her pussy shut. That level I doubt any professional will allow now. But I have never had a session in eastern Europe, maybe it is different there?
Due to age and health reality is history for me since a few years.
One thing that might be of psychological interest is that I abhor the word "No". I have no problem with safe-words but I abhor "no". For me it shatters the illusion, and I know it is an illusion, that it is I that decide. And for me that is close to the the center of the meaning of the meeting. I can do this. I can spank, I can cane, I can whip, I can ... And she is willingly subjugated to me. And when I see it in a picture or a film this willingness is to me. Therefore, even though I accept it and really like the movies it is for me a bit from perfect when Elite-pain and Mood uses women executioners. But, one cannot have it all.
I know I have written to much, thank you for reading.
And what did you mean by "...why do so many dress like them..." Did you mean the monk/nun fetish?
Because I was in the cemetery for 10 years. I meant seminary. You are suppose to be dead to the world. When you are 22 parts of you just don't die. Known a lot nuns and monks in that time. I just get a chuckle when I see the Monk outfits.
I can't count how many times I wished in my life I could just get off to vanilla sex like so many other men. Life would be so much simpler.
Those who call us sick don't realize that we didn't ask for this. I sure didn't. I've kind of just accepted this is who I am now. The comment that we hate women is somewhat laughable to me. Fantasy is not reality. This is why consent is so important and why the women who push themselves so hard and so far past their limits for us are actually our heroes. There is no hate there at all in fact it's the opposite; adoration.
Yanni wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:18 pm
I can't count how many times I wished in my life I could just get off to vanilla sex like so many other men. Life would be so much simpler.
Those who call us sick don't realize that we didn't ask for this. I sure didn't. I've kind of just accepted this is who I am now. The comment that we hate women is somewhat laughable to me. Fantasy is not reality. This is why consent is so important and why the women who push themselves so hard and so far past their limits for us are actually our heroes. There is no hate there at all in fact it's the opposite; adoration.
Amen, Yanni.
It took many decades before I accepted who I am. And even now, I don't advertise my proclivities. Just "take me for me" kind of thing. If you don't like what you see/feel/intuit, move on, but I don't mean any harm. I will do the same.
I have said this before, but I love the way John Blakemore handled breasts. Sure there was pressure and maybe some pain, but overriding all that, you could see love. And that's part of the reason I think John Blakemore got the women he did to pose/act for him. People can often times sense who you are, inside.
Starting from the point that a female is in peril, we have a lot of paths to chose to follow, and it seems to me that there is a wide range of actions that could occur, with the membership here pretty well represented all across the spectrum. Some are satisfied with very little harm to the victim, while others seem attracted to death and even cannibalism, so although we are dealing with a common uniting beginning, there is quite a difference in individual tastes.
Growing up in the fifties and hitting puberty toward the middle of that decade, I was influenced quite a bit by movies, books, and especially the men's magazines of the period. Think about the covers and stories of those magazines and how almost without exception they depicted a scantily clad female in some kind of danger. And going back even before then, the "detective" magazines that specialized in sex crimes.
So I consider that learning about sex in that milieu is the main reason why I am attracted to this kind of content, although my inclinations in this direction have always been in addition to the vanilla aspects of sex rather than being the only thing I have found to be arousing.
This is a very interesting topic and I am so glad that this is being discussed so candidly. I look at it from a woman's perspective and so my experience while similar is also quite markedly different. I grew up in a family with eight siblings in a small 3 bedroom house. Until my late teens when I was well into puberty with developed breasts. I shared a bedroom (but not bed!) with two older brothers and three sisters.
My two older brothers were interested in seeing women whipped and tortured and both were quite talented artists. At about age 13 I discovered a several magazines and books of women in bondage and most shockinly sketch book hidden in a closet filled with colored drawing s of naked women in harem type veils being whipped and flogged complete with captions. They were drawn by my oldest brother who was 19 at the time, My younger brother and I would sometimes role play with me being captured by pirates or cowboys and Indians and me being whipped. I would hold my hands up high and he would lift my blouse or shirt to bare my back and hit me with either his open handd or his pant belt to pretend I was being whipped. That is how it started for me. I found it very arousing to pretend I was being whipped by my brother and I knew that he was getting very aroused also. As a girl my father would also spank us or more frequently, as we became older bare our ass and beat us with his belt while we lay across his lap if he thought we deserved punishment. In my late teen while still living at home after my older brothers had left I once awoke late at night hearing my mother in the downstairs moaning. I went to investigate and saw through the partially closed door that she was lying naked across the mattress of their bed and my naked father with a full erection was whipping her with his belt. I am sure that she was enjoying it as was he. I know that they were always very much in love and he wasn't punishing mother but it was consenual and mutually enjoyable. I have often wondered if my almost lifelong interest in being a submissive began by seeing those drawings or was it the pretend whipping. Did it originate with the belt spankings at an earlier age or was it a genetic inheritance? The fact that my mother was submissive and my father a dominant my feeling is it is genetic. I cnanot help myself from being a submissive and neither do I want to. I enjoy looking at other women being whipped or tortured as long as it is not too severe. I enjoy stories and artwork over videos and really don't like those made in eastern Europe. Old Ed Lee and Paingate are very arousing since it seems the women are not being cut up or actually in much pain. One thing that I have learned from my father and my brothers is that despite their interest in the fetishes of whipping or torturing women is that not one of them would in real life harm or even show drespect towards a woman. I have been in several relationships with very kind, compssionate and loving men in real life and on line here and elsewhere who through expressions of enjoyment in seeing women treated with unimaginable brutality towards women not one has ever expressed that if given an opportunity to fullfil a fantasy to actually live out that fantasy would actually find enjoyment from doing it. Sorry for being so long winded but it is cathatic to get it off my chest (and it is a big one!) to understanding people. laura
This was an amazing post on so many levels. It takes a lot of courage to have the self-disclosure that you have shared here. Take if from an old "shrink" I truly appreciate what you have written here. I mean where else could that have been written without scorn? Sure I look at the pics, and so many are simulating right on the mark. It's almost a Mystery to me the appeal of it. I'm stilled baffled by it all. But I will continue to be stilmulated WITHOUT APOLOGIES to anyone. I know who I am. I think that Ralph's hit a nerve and a need. All Hail to the Chief I say. He truly started something special here, and it hasn't gone away has it? I've been a fan for a long time.
Thanks Laura for your post. Pity we can't all meet. But I'm ok that print stimulates the mind.
