Movies featuring torture and spanking AND afterwards painful deep fucking

[theroughman]

You are a rough person theroughman (as your nick says), but you are also a wise man, and I generally agree with everything you wrote so far.

Here I can 100% agree with our colleague Edukator. If we are talking about real, hard bondage.

I don't think it's strictly for legal reasons, more likely the producers are probably thinking that customers interested by bdsm/torture are not into straight sex/porn, and conversely. Therefore they deliberately decided to split the two categories.

In my opinion in hard bondage is no room for conventional sex, no matter the position or intensity. Penetration is generally speaking acceptable in those situations but it can't be a reward for a girl, it must be just an add on to the humiliation process. Or on the other hand, the scene can not lose its intensity because of the penetration.
For example: if they use a regular dildo in some ultra-violent scene it is unnecessary, but if they shove a dead fish inside her; now we're talking!

ElitePain is so unique production, and for regular sex is no room in that divine concept. I do not want even to type my opinion of Graias.

This is music for my ears, and I'm going to tell you that you are absolutely right about everything! But porn is not real life, and violent sex and bondage are oil and water (I'm not the only one who is thinking like that).

I mean, what would we do in real life if we would get a beautiful helpless girl…If we could do what we want to her because nobody miss her…Surely we would beat the shit out of her first! Surely we would whip her, slapp her tits, beat her butt, kick her cunt, slap her face for hours…Till she is bruised black and blue and crying in agony. But then we would rape and fuck her as brutal as possible for hours, again and again…. Or not? We would face fuck her AND fuck her the way which is most painful for her: deep in the pussy till the cervix is hitting again and again.

I do not want to criticize the way you type posts but:
I (for example) do not have Instagram, so I couldn't open any of the photos.

I really enjoyed reading your posts and I hope you will continue writing them!

Do have some recommendations for videos with sexual torture in which the really suffers by brutal fucking? Like my examples?

[theroughman]

I would be satisfied with a few videos with rough painful sex which the girls really not enjoy! Visible dislike and pain. No acting.

[localroger]

Insex was shut down because DOJ sent national security letters to their bankers accusing them of funding terrorism and demanding that they stop doing business.

Because you obviously know more about the history of Insex than me, I want to ask you something.

It is well known that at one time Insex earned 50k a week, they had money. My question is: Is it known why pd didn't just move the production out of the US? He could continue recording in ... I don't know Mexico, or anywhere but in the US.

Actually by my calculations Insex was bringing in about $7 million a month, or nearly $2 million per week, when they shuttered.

The thing is, what DOJ did is really insidious. Banking is international. They weren't stopping Insex from making videos or selling them, they were stopping them from getting paid by credit card providers, all of which are international entities. PD made the decision, which he explains in the Graphic Sexual Horror documentary, that it would not be worthwhile to spend his money on this fight with an entity like the US government which had all kinds of resources even he with his wealth couldn't begin to match. This may have been short-sighted on his part but there is also some evidence from GSH that he was burning a candle at all three ends as it was and this was the last straw.

[yyy02]

...This may have been short-sighted on his part but there is also some evidence from GSH that he was burning a candle at all three ends as it was and this was the last straw.

Whew, thanks for the info localroger.

Some questions from the peanut gallery:

Is Insex now a part of the Kink Family, now that Matt Williams has come on board? Or are they still a separate entity?

Do they still shoot on the East Coast?

And does PD still have a financial stake in it, or does he appear in some of the new videos just for shits and grins?

TIA.

[Hut]

I would be satisfied with a few videos with rough painful sex which the girls really not enjoy! Visible dislike and pain. No acting.

Well, what are you proposing? It seems you want a recording of a real rape? No serious company will take the risk to record a real rape. The girl will complain and bring the company down, for sure. Not to mention lawsuits, prison terms, etc.

Even if the girl signs an agreement and is paid, this does not prevent her from changing her mind. The risk is just too great.

[theroughman]

How is facial abuse managing all these challenges? I mean some of the scenes are nearly rape....!

[Laura]

I would be satisfied with a few videos with rough painful sex which the girls really not enjoy! Visible dislike and pain. No acting.

thetoughman, Wow you certainly have some extreme fantasies and I truly hope that no woman in real life would ever experience the kind of treatment you would like to mete out. I hope that you retain your thoughts and fantasies within your head and do not ever attempt to fulfill them.
The kind of brutal penetrations after a hard whipping you are proposing would not only be extremely agonizing but also likely would cause permanent internal and crippling damage to an average womans sex even with lubrication . IN my lifetime I have experienced multiple partners on rare occasions and to be honest it gets quite painful after a while even when well lubricated. Just the friction of the cocks and the jolting and the bending of the body takes in the process gets tiring as muscles ache especially after multiple orgasms when I am finished but the men remain unsatisfied although by then I am always well lubricated . Hitting the cervix can be pleasant but if hit hard is very painful ! You have no idea how painful it is if hammered on but must feel like a kick in the balls for men. It remains sore for days after.
So thankfully not very many men in my experience are that well endowed to reach that deep into me. My enjoyment does not come from deep penetration anyway so a big cock does nothing for me. I don't think any woman in her right mind would willingly accept to the treatment you are suggesting that you would like to see. No amount of money would be worth the potential for being put in a situation where the result could be permanent damage or even death.

[theroughman]

I would be satisfied with a few videos with rough painful sex which the girls really not enjoy! Visible dislike and pain. No acting.

Well, what are you proposing? It seems you want a recording of a real rape? No serious company will take the risk to record a real rape. The girl will complain and bring the company down, for sure. Not to mention lawsuits, prison terms, etc.



Even if the girl signs an agreement and is paid, this does not prevent her from changing her mind. The risk is just too great.

Nooooo ! No real rape!!! It seems you haven't read my post fully. I mean, short version: all girls in Elite Pain, all in Facial Abuse, a few in Blackambush, a few in Monster of Cocks, a few in Sinistar, a few in Hobybuchanon, and a few in GGG films clearly don't enjoy the action, but they do the job and suffer because of agreement, contracts, and money. And it works without any trouble with the law. So, why not found a studio which is specialized in painful sex in all scenes?

[Edukator]

I would be satisfied with a few videos with rough painful sex which the girls really not enjoy! Visible dislike and pain. No acting.

Well, what are you proposing? It seems you want a recording of a real rape? No serious company will take the risk to record a real rape. The girl will complain and bring the company down, for sure. Not to mention lawsuits, prison terms, etc.



Even if the girl signs an agreement and is paid, this does not prevent her from changing her mind. The risk is just too great.

Nooooo ! No real rape!!! It seems you haven't read my post fully. I mean, short version: all girls in Elite Pain, all in Facial Abuse, a few in Blackambush, a few in Monster of Cocks, a few in Sinistar, a few in Hobybuchanon, and a few in GGG films clearly don't enjoy the action, but they do the job and suffer because of agreement, contracts, and money. And it works without any trouble with the law. So, why not found a studio which is specialized in painful sex in all scenes?

Agreements, contracts, money... it could work as long as there are no permanent physical/corporal damages no money could ever fix (read Laura's excellent post above), then the producer could be (legally) into big trouble, whatever the agreed "contract" terms were.
Of course it all depends of what you consider as "painful sex"... after all sex (and penetration) is supposed to be pleasant, not painful. And (by definition) any consensual sexual activity can NOT be considered as a rape, otherwise it would be a criminal act. No sensible person (or producer) would ever consider taking this risk.
But I (partially) agree with you: IF there must be some sex scenes in a BDSM production it must (at least) look unpleasant/humiliating for the victim and never used as some kind of reward or gratification. If not, I would prefer no sex at all. Anal sex (IMO) is a good option since it's both unpleasant (but bearable) and humiliating for the victim (actually most girls could take it but don't like it at all). Also (if possible) it would be better if the (male) person in charge of the punishment of the slave is not physically attractive to her, and preferably much older.

But to each their own...

[localroger]

...This may have been short-sighted on his part but there is also some evidence from GSH that he was burning a candle at all three ends as it was and this was the last straw.

Whew, thanks for the info localroger.

Some questions from the peanut gallery:

Is Insex now a part of the Kink Family, now that Matt Williams has come on board? Or are they still a separate entity?

Do they still shoot on the East Coast?

And does PD still have a financial stake in it, or does he appear in some of the new videos just for shits and grins?

TIA.

Insex itself was sold to some Europeans. Both the Insex brand and the old intellectual property. That outfit now sells Insex's old videos on full resolution DVD, watermarked so they can blackball you if you release any of what you buy from them on the internet. Since a lot of the early vids were never released at higher than 240 or 360p, this is a significant market. They have no dealings with the old models or props and do not seem to be producing new content.

Infernal Restraints and Hardtied are fully owned subsidiaries of Kink.com and my understanding is that PD works for them just like any of their other contractors. I know some of their post-Insex stuff was filmed at the Armory because it was very distinctive, but I'm not sure if they are still doing new work on the East Coast. In GSH they tour the Farm and a lot of the familiar props are in storage, literally growing spiderwebs from disuse. I strongly suspect PD doesn't really need the money and is just doing it because it's what he loves to do. It's probably a lot less stressful for him if also less profitable because someone else is running all the business BS and he can concentrate on his art.