Thanks for the great renderings, JD!

Also for the Barb Wire caps, Mark. I don't remember that scene. Maybe I saw a cut version of that movie.

Today's MAM cover is from Man's Adventure Apr 1966.

A few brief comments.

JD, thanks for the art.

Mark, thanks for the hi-res Barb Wire scenes.

Nia, thanks for being one of the ladies who come forward and sharing your thoughts.

Joanna, thanks for your continued sharing as well.

JD, I admire your artistry. Please share more with us.

Thomas, thanks for another glowing girl (sweaty woman). Thanks for feeding my hang up.

bleumune, it's good to see you again. I recall you doing some good posts at some of my groups in times past.

And lastly, I just had to share a nice rack scene of a weaty babe to make MY day and hopefully others, too.

Scourge, if I may ask, what movie is that rack scene from?

Lynn: It's not a movie, it's a clip from paingate called "tears on the rack"

Joanna 3572 wrote: @bleumune: It's new to me too; it's Poser or Daz, but it has a sort of painted quality to it. The figure positions are just great, and so is the tension in the ropes carrying through to her body: it makes your joints sore just to look at it, and she's in too much pain to even lift her head to try and see what the torturer is preparing for her next.

That's what I saw in that image and the several others that JD did. He kind of downplays his skills, but I think his dungeon scenes are on the top rank.

Bill K. 3573 wrote: bleumune the "Art Of Darkness" site has a lot of Rack gimp 3D artists.

I agree, Bill. AOD is one of my regular stops every day.

Joanna 3576 wrote: @bleumune: I forgot something; your name sounds familiar, have you ever written a torture story before?

I've written several, Joanna, but I've been reticent about posting them. First is that there hasn't been a whole lot of interest when I did post them, and second, they're pretty severe, which isn't to everyone's taste.

JD 3577 wrote: Seriously now, it's a Miki 4 in Poser 2014, with all the props done in Wings3D and the textures from the greatest site with free textures, cgtextures.com. The dungeon I just reuse it since I'm too lazy to design new ones all the time.

The only 'extravagant' thing that I add in my renders is atmospheric volume and ambiant occlusion, they make a render takes 6 hours on a quad core 64 with 16GB RAM but I that OK with me.

Now Miki4, even with SSS doesn't come nearly close to Genesis2 that (I assume) big powerhouses like Arcas uses.

If you're into these kinks I can send you whatever props or poses you like, well, except for the Miki4, that one you have to buy just like everyone else. roll eyes (sarcastic).

You're too modest, JD. I really love your images - they're unique and make one think they're a fly on the wall as the interrogators do their work. As for your offer, I do appreciate it, but I'm kind of out of the 3D art thing at the moment. Part of it is that I never seemed to make it up the learning curve after working with DAZ3D for most of a year, and the other thing is that I suffered a computer crash that required a complete reinstallation of Windows 7. I saved all my hard drive details, but, when I tried to re-install DAZ3D, it could never find all the various pieces needed to rebuild the scenes I worked on. But I'd always be interested in seeing more of your work, especially the scenes with multiple prisoners. It kind of evokes a feeling of a group gestalt, like "when they finish working on my husband or girlfriend, they're going to start on ME!" So, as a kind of rank amateur at the 3D art, I can appreciate the work of someone who knows what he's doing.

Oh, by the way, those hi-res Barb Wire pics are great. You can see the texture of her skin and the sweat streaming down her body with such clarity!

That was one of my first ever GIMP scenes (I'm a youngin') and I remember the feelings it made me feel back then. Great scene, just wish it had been longer.

Bronx_Warrior wrote:
"K9mmv:
I guess only finger counting mainstream movies with naked boobs hanging upside down scenes.
Mainstream movies
(1) Gestapo's last orgy
(2) Rise: Blood Vampire-Cameron Richardson and Lucy Lui"

Thanks Bronx_Warrior! It isn't often you get to see an actress of Lucy Liu's caliber hanging upside down naked. I guess she needed the work. I also like girls in peril underwater with the opposite gravity effect, and the crime sub genre of girls thrown from a car. My fetishes are weirder than 90% of the people here. Or did I just throw out a challenge?

This crime sub genre of girls thrown from a car has always fascinated me. We should add it to the lexicon as TFC. Or not.

fantastic comic series...really look forward to each day's posting Ralphus. Of course, both of the Amazons should be stripped, but I guess one can't have everything!

Joanna...any pics of your work on the rack that you would like to share?

LOL! The comic is written all in a foreign language, then all of a sudden you see one of the characters yell "Idiot!"

Thanks for the kind words, I'm striving toward as much realism as posible, hence the poor lighting and odd angles. The fly on the wall was exactly my intent (funny though how many failed renderings I got just because the fly was slightly OUTSIDE the dungeon wall and after a few hours of rendering you get only a beautiful black wall, heh.

Anyway, here's a small vid I made from Total Drama show. Well, it's a rack involved so that's enough for me.

I uploaded it to VIMEO instead of cutscenes cuz allow for downloads.

Ep. 13 TD c from radstop on Vimeo.

@Bergie14: All my current artwork in on my Renderotica page: [www.renderotica.com]

@bleumune: The one I remember (the one I think your name was on) was this really, really hot one about this real bitch of an aristocrat who was plotting to depose the king, but got found out and taken to the royal torture chamber to be racked for the names of her fellow conspirators: she didn't talk until all her joints had been pulled apart.
I remember it particularly because A; it was brutally realistic with no BDSM overtones B; it was very detailed and C; she kept her clothes on the whole time.

It may be heresy to say it on this site but I don't always have to see a victim (or imagine myself) stripped naked for every single type of torture situation particularly if it's in a historic context where the only guaranteed stripping would be if you were accused of witchcraft (other situations were left up to the discretion of the torturer or the one ordering the torture)

I thought I'd saved the story when I got my new computer but I can't find it anymore, so could you please repost it here or send it to me? I haven't read it for a couple of years now and it gave me a lot of, um, "entertainment" to imagine myself as her (being a bitch can be fun!)

Sound like a good piece of work (read accurate and with solid background). Anyone knows where to find it? Or the name?

So far, my biggest find in this community is El Wananchi, peace be upon him. Hope he'll feel like writing again.

As for the picture, if there would be a olympics of torture, it would look like that. A very early effort, with a lot of misplaced lights and props.

You all have made this the proverbial "tough act to follow." I love the Amazones Van Troy story and pics and JD's pics and everyone's pics and comments.

Ralphus has kindly posted the story that I promised: Arcas' Spy Girl Cassie Blaine in "The Drug Cartel War." Story by Eda. Illustrations by Arcas.

I hope that those of you who choose to read it will enjoy it. If you do, please let Arcas know, as that will be my best way to convince the best artist in the genre to collaborate with me again. Thanks.

There appears to be a definite interest in suspension scenes as of late. I have also been seeing more art being posted of late than photos. Narrowing the focus further, the absolute best suspension art in my opinion are the those in a torture chamber. Better still are when our fair maidens are suffering further by being whipped. One of my all time favorite fantasies is when the girl is whipped alternately front and back as in the one piece I included.


How about we do a GIMP version of the old Mad Magazine "Scenes We'd Like to See."

Joanna 3596 wrote: @bleumune: The one I remember (the one I think your name was on) was this really, really hot one about this real bitch of an aristocrat who was plotting to depose the king, but got found out and taken to the royal torture chamber to be racked for the names of her fellow conspirators: she didn't talk until all her joints had been pulled apart. I remember it particularly because A; it was brutally realistic with no BDSM overtones B; it was very detailed and C; she kept her clothes on the whole time.

JD 3597 wrote: Sound like a good piece of work (read accurate and with solid background). Anyone knows where to find it? Or the name?

Joanna, JD: I'm pretty sure the story you're talking about was called "A Traitor's Interrogation," which I did for BustyDamsel's Rack group on Yahoo. She was primarily a rack-only afficianado, and she also liked the subjects to keep their clothes on, so I wrote it to fit her wishes. I also did several other versions, where the Countess lost her clothing so other tortures than the rack could be used. If anyone can instruct me on how to get the story posted here, I'll put it up.

bleumune

@bleumune: I like a mix of clothed and unclothed depending on the particular fantasy, and if it's a rough and ready interrogation with some urgency behind it, or a more methodical interrogation.

If I'm a private investigator or undercover cop tracking a criminal gang, but they get the drop on me, knock me out, and I wake up in a basement or warehouse tied to a chair, then ripping open my blouse and bra to clamp on the jumper cables from a car battery is all I'd expect.

But if I was a spy captured by enemy agents, I'd expect to be stripped naked and strapped down spreadeagled on a steel torture table in a specialty built interrogation facility with electrodes from, an electro torture device clipped to me.

And it's also the same in a historical fantasy: if I'm an accused witch, I'll be stripped naked and searched for the Devil's mark before I'm taken to the rack; but if I'm someone like the aristocrat in that story of yours, then I'd expect to be dragged to the torture chamber and put to the rack in whatever clothing I happened to be wearing at the time.

Joanna, I like the way you think. Your clothing scenarios for the various times and applications of torture makes perfect sense. It is also mildly amusing that even in such scenes of torture, those who have the riches still garner a certain degree of respect by way of keeping some clothes on. Of course those women are still being tortured but I chuckled when I considered the respect angle.

Ralphus: I had delayed posting a comment to yours (at Post 3578) pending an opportunity to first view Learing Pig’s rebuttal to it. To date I do not see that he has done so, so here goes:

I concur with your decision to delete Learing Pig’s post of the two young girls, but largely on aesthetic grounds.

The image Learing Pig posted was one of a number of available promotional photo samples from a Russian-based family nudist site called “purenudism.com.” This site contains hundreds (if not thousands) of photo images of both nude adults and children engaging in all sorts of harmless recreational activities such as swimming, body-painting, camping, and other activities typically associated with sanctioned AANR (American Association for Nude Recreation) nudist resorts. Nudism is not about sex; it is about freedom. My wife and I visit an AANR-sanctioned resort several times each year, have always enjoyed ourselves immensely while there, and neither of us has ever witnessed any sexual activity involving children (or adults, for that matter) during any of our visits. Pointedly, “purenudism.com” is a non-erotic site and displays absolutely no images of adults or children engaging in any sexual activities, although in its promotional materials the site does unfortunately tend to focus on images of children and therefore may be justifiably vulnerable to attack as “soft-core kiddie porn.”

Having said all of that, Learing Pig’s image still has no business here. This is a site devoted to fantasy images and discussions of “Girls In Merciless Peril.” There is obviously considerable nudity found here, but it is nudity with a “theme;” not nudity for the sake of nudity. Learing Pig’s weak attempt to caption an otherwise harmless image as a depiction of “humiliation” (or whatever) of young girls simply encourages the suggestion of kiddie porn. I am reminded of Ralph Ginzburg, whose conviction for distributing obscene materials was upheld by the US Supreme Court in 1966. Ginzburg’s magazine, Eros, contained not only legitimate articles, stories and poems authored by such noted writers as Ray Bradbury, Mark Twain and the poet Allen Ginzberg, but also reproductions of universally recognized “classic” photos and paintings depicting nudity – images not considered pornographic by any reasonable person in any other context. However, Ginzburg promoted his magazine in a sexually-explicit style, “pandering to prurient interests” as the Court put it, and it was largely because of this promotional approach that he would spend eight months of a five-year federal prison sentence. One can debate whether Ginzburg deserved to be convicted; one cannot debate, however, that the Court had seized upon the notion that otherwise non-offensive images could be considered as having become highly offensive if placed in an inappropriate setting.

Learing Pig’s placement of his image is, in my opinion, entirely inappropriate for a website such as this, and therefore I support both your decision to delete Learing Pig’s post and to closely monitor his submissions for the foreseeable future.

Random question: Has anyone here besides me ever attempted the art of lucid dreaming? I've tried just about every method described on the internet but I can't manage to do it. Add that to the fact that it's impossible to tell whether someone is lying or not when they say they have done it, and one begins to wonder if such a thing even exists.

The reason I ask is it seems like it would be the ultimate way to "live" out these kinds of fantasies. But then maybe I'm just a kid with his head in the clouds.

Dmon, here is an example of a GIMP dream or nightmare by Linny:

"It started out quite normal with me at my gym and pedaling away on my exercise bike. Suddenly I was quickly rushed by about 6 guys all in black workout gear. Before I could even react they held me in position and tied my hands tightly with rope to the handlebars, and my ankles and feet to the pedals very tightly. A rope was tied tightly around my waist, and to the bikes frame. I was incapable of moving at all, except for neck movement. It all happened so quickly, and then as quickly as they did that, they started stacking brush, branches and wood all around and under me. Now I was screaming, " What the F are you doing " and as dreams go, I was no longer at my gym but in a large warehouse type building.

Of course I was terrified because all the gym people were now gone from the dream, and I was alone with these psychos. One guy then wheeled over this cart, like a restaurant dessert cart, with all these large plastic red picnic cups on it. My terror worsened now as I smelled the gasoline that was in these cups. Then they all started throwing the contents of the cups all over me, and all over the brush. I was dripping, and drenched in gasoline and screaming like crazy for them to stop this craziness. Then they stood back and one of them lit this large wooden match. He went to throw it on me, and I really jolted awake with a loud groan. It was so clear and lucid, I was trembling when I woke, and was understandably shaken a bit. As my head cleared realizing it was only a dream, a sort of excitement took the place of the fear. "

A female member posted this in the Stakedamsels forum.

I added the manip picture. She says it's dream but we only remember nightmares lucidly because they wake us up.

If you dream of watching Gimps being tortured and you don't wake in the dream you will not remember it at all or at least not lucidly. Food for thought on dreams and nightmares. Bill K.

It's already October!

Yes, it has been a long, long time since I contributed to this magnum forum with my lengthy comments and not for lack of trying. I did try, many times, to get my thoughts together and post something about our so complex and yet very exciting world of GIMP CINEMA.
I think that pretty phrase should be the heading of my posts in the future, I'll think about it. I'm calling my posts Margot's Chronicles for now, simply because they are my version of the events, or my telling of the news. Perhaps one day soon it will no longer be only me who does all the great writing in our behalf, perhaps others will join me but you might not know the difference, or you might, it will depend on whether the others in our group capable of expressing complicated thoughts and ideas in the tongue of Shakespeare, imitate my so personal way of communicating.

Time runs wildly, specially when there are so many things happening almost simultaneously. The only place, it seems, where we keep informing people in a regular basis is Facebook, we have many accounts there, one for each film and everyone involved in our work has an account as well. It would be nice if people here who have a FB account visit us from time to time and like our links, pages, comments, pictures and so on and so forth.

So... now to the news from our GIMP CINEMA WORLD.

Most of our attention these glorious days of the end of winter down south where we are is concentrated in the up and coming release of Amy Hesketh's fourth film Olalla.

We have a date of release!

The day came when Jac had a rough cut of the film ready and could tell Amy when she was going to have the chance to see her film edited for the very first time. Around that time Amy and Jac met with a French duo of sound experts for the recording of a song for the film and learned that these two guys were also very good at mixing sound for movies. And they are French. In fact, they were in the middle of setting up their new studio to record and mix sound, mostly music, not too many films to mix here unless you have a contract with us, and now they will have just that because Amy felt that she had some leftover funds for Olalla and that a deal could be made to have a very good sound mix for her film, but Jac also felt that it was time to re-mix ALL the previous films for a wider distribution deal ... and so...

I have to note that although the sound mix in our films is passable for most ears, it is not what we would like to have, so to engage sound mixers at this stage in our progression is a great feat. Indeed. There was that time, long ago, when we decided to have a professional crew in our productions, other than the directors, of course. You must know that in the old days of Red Feline, Jac did all the work a crew normally does but he was hoping the day would arrive when he would trust others to the task he normally did alone, and that day came. A director of photography was hired, along with a crew to assist him, and thus, a new way of producing was set in place. The result, all of the films we made since Maleficarum that classic of GIMP CINEMA!

So, going back to my story. Days later, when Jac was done with the first cut of Olalla, Amy the director and Jac the editor sat to watch the film. They were alone in his editing room, which is also his living room, where most parties we have take place, and once in a while doubles up as a movie set, Agent X was shot there, and Sirwiñakuy. They sat to watch the new film in a large screen. Amy was very emotional at this point. She sat transfixed watching how her idea, her script, was taking a life of its own. Watching your new movie is always like watching a child grow into a beautiful person.

A few suggested changes here, a bit of tightening of shots there and Amy was ready to approved the cut. Jac got busy to set the film for the sound mixers and now it's IN THEIR HANDS. The plan is to have the film ready to release it on October 31st with a grand premiere and a big party. It's set then. That is the official date of release of our new film, Olalla.

I will have vidcaps and news about the release in the coming days, so, I'll be back in full force with news and updates and promotional materials of the film.

Not long ago, the press here got word of the film and contacted us to learn more about it, the result was a lot of coverage long before we announced the release of the film.

Around the time we were getting newspaper coverage for Olalla, a new review of Barbazul, was published in a French movie blog. It's a great review. We have the English translation in our site at Pachamama Films. Here some of excerpts from said review.

Barbazul (a contraction of Barba Azul, Bluebeard in Spanish) is interpreted by Jac Avila, terrifying to perfection, mixing Landru by his seductions (charming his prey), with an Albert DeSalvo side (the Boston Strangler, who killed a dozen women during the years 1962/1964). He manages to give body to a poor soul, after all, whose life is centered in habits. routines as when he uses the same procedure when seducing each woman. Bluebeard is primarily subject to his desires, usually sexual, where he shows a taste for sadomasochism. He ends inexorably strangling his victim when he is upset by her. This can range from a simple difference of opinion, to a refusal to obey him. Barbazul is a sex maniac whose deviance seems to have no limit, sometimes indulging in necrophilia.

The actresses in Barbazul show, overall, a great sense of realism when they undergo the ultimate punishment from their torturer. The killings, which resemble long agonies seem so real that the viewer cannot help but feel a sense of unease. Great performances from Mila Joya, Veronica Paintoux and Amy Hesketh in the relevant passages that follow generally an erotic scene. Obviously Amy Hesketh has sought to describe (effectively) the close relationship between Eros and Thanatos, an inseparable pair that are total opposites, and yet they meet, and that has proven to be a popular subject in art for centuries.

Death and eroticism are the two pillars of this work in which Amy Hesketh demonstrates great maturity despite her young age. We cannot wait to discover her fourth feature film (in post-production at the time this column was written) OLALLA, based on a story by Robert Louis Stevenson published in 1885, about a family of vampires.

After adapting Bluebeard and the Marquis de Sade (with LE MARQUIS DE LA CROIX), Amy Hesketh draws her inspiration again from classic literature, and, as with Jac Avila’s DEAD BUT DREAMING (shot in 2013), she deals in turn with the subject of vampirism. Certainly, this is a duo that has not stopped surprising us. Could Bolivia be the new haven of independent cinema? Given the output of Pachamama Films in recent years ... there’s no doubt.

Bill K. Commented recently: Maleficarum's torture devices and methods covered only a few of many devices and methods used on witches for sure. He and others will be happy to know that the new production in the works, Justine, will have many excellent devices. Can all torture devices and methods be used in ONE film? I don't think so. We still have a lot of devices planned for future productions. In fact, Amy is in the process of building one such device that I'm sure will capture the imagination of all. This is the pillory Jac is planning to have in Justine, where there will be more than one device and/or method used on at least four damsels in distress.

Continuing with the discussion petelobo, Dr. Yuya, and others were having, and I quote: What was the "artist" trying to do? How well did he do it? Was it worth doing? Pain4fem tries to produces brief high-quality videos of attractive women being whipped. They aren't Red Feline, but their videos cost 65 cents a minute, and they do what they try to do very well and quite prolifically. Would I compare a 3-minute whipping video of Miela with Mila Joya in Marquis de la Croix? Hell no. Just like I wouldn't compare a French omelet with a fried egg sandwich. They aren't meant to be the same, but both can be very satisfying in the right situation.

That was a nice comment about our work with Red Feline... I would suggest that our films are more like French cuisine: rich, adventurous and very, very tasty, although is not a taste for everybody.

What are we trying to do? The question is in general, but we are an example of the artists in the quote. We're working to bring about high quality, high production values, great sound and color to films that are like jewels in the wide world of Cinema. Our films are, indeed, an acquired taste, like French Cuisine or that great wine that is hard to find and can totally be appreciated by the demanding connoisseur.

Are they worth doing? Yes, they are, the pleasure is in the making, the rewards come as we make those movies and they find their way out in the world and make it possible for us to continue producing them. It's wonderful indeed. We can only be very happy that our work continues to spread around the world. I heard that an Italian journalist just contacted Amy for an interview for a magazine, her introducing comment was "for your Italian fans who talk so much about you". Apparently Amy has a very good following in Italy.

Amy and Jac's work, but particularly Amy's has been compared to some of the cult Italian filmmakers, like Argento, and Bava and others and I quote from a review, also of Barbazul, that was published in the quarterly magazine, a thick magazine, Weng's Chop, and it says:

"Have you ever wondered what would happen if Mario Bava, Jean Rollin and Jess Franco had somehow defied the laws of nature and biology and produced a lovechild who became a filmmaker? Yeah, me too! Well, now we have our answer in the form of writer-director Amy Hesketh."

So, Olalla will wait for its reviews, although there's a lot of anticipation in some places. We'll see how our fan base reacts and what the reviews say about it. We're full of anticipation as well. None in the group except Jac and Amy have seen Olalla, only the trailers they are working on, but everyone has a good feeling for it.

Which brings me to our next incursions into our vast cinematic canvas. Three films are in the works, two contemporary, one by Amy Hesketh, her own erotic version of the classic Pygmalion, one by Jac Avila, De Sade's Justine, and one by Erix Antoine, Aventura, you know Erix for his various roles in our films. He directed Nocturnia when he was in his early 20's, and he's a very good singer and director of music videos. He recently directed a great video for Miguel's band. Miguel is our cinematographer. His band's name is Everfall and here's the video clip. You will recognize the stairs in the video as those in Maleficarum. You will also recognize Amy's eye, she's the stunt double inside the burlap sack being buried alive. She's also the production designer of the video, Miguel did the cinematography and our team worked in it, all of our team, including Mila.

For Justine, Jac is preparing four actresses to be the unlucky ladies who will suffer the extremely perverted designs of Monsieur Rodin. Jac will not tell us yet what he has in mind for those unfortunate ladies. All four of them are in the picture below. You already know two of them, Amy and Mila. The other two are new to our films but you can see them in a group shot of the production of Olalla. Think Poor Cecily with our production style, add to it Maleficarum and Le Marquis de la Croix and mixed it all, and you have Jac Avila's Justine.

Someone, I think it was Dan, commented not so recently: Red Feline for me is above the all listed sites but I haven't see them update their mini series (I'm not talking about their movies). Mini series like uh.. Via Crucis and et cetera.

I can explain why. Our new pursuits, those glorious big productions, take all of our time, relegating the Red Feline site to simply be where you can find our productions. When we changed servers and took down the old site, we didn't set it up like it was before. I'm planning, however, to set up Margot's Chronicles there, with news of our work, pictures, etc. But time will tell. If I find the time to do the work, then it will be done.

By the way, that Jane von Detlefson could pass for Amy Hesketh's sister. Not as hot as Amy of course, but pretty damn sweet non the less. winkdan: Yeah, that's kind of funny Dan. They could be the new Twins of Evil...

DAN: I want to share with you all my opinion on the greatest stretch rack scene ever. The Red Feline crew have rank one spot with Maleficarum. But despite this being an awesome scene, I still think the legendary Inquisition smokes it. The sweat coming from the girl and the way her back arches is so realistic. What are your thoughts?

We have some rack scenes planned, will they be as good or better than what we did in Maleficarum and Le Marquis de la Croix? Well.... there's always room for improvement and better and better rack scenes. Justine is but one possible scenario where a rack will play an important role.

Bill K: Sorry Dan, the Inquisicion is "Inquisition" and the one below it "The inquisitor" from the Rack database look the same erotic wise to me as do Maleficarum's rack scenes. Of course my thing is spit roasting and bats so my opinion is biased to Maleficarum.

Maleficarum is number one in my book. Why? It is the best selling movie we ever made. It remains as number one way ahead of any of the movies we have out there, including Red Feline on the Cross that it was number one until recently. I don't mean to say that we're getting rich. It means that Maleficarum is the film that gets the most downloads and DVD orders on a steady basis. We hope that Justine will be just as popular.

All our films are finding their audience, all our films are covering their expense, we're not losing our hard earned cash in the productions, we can certainly go on producing, taking some risks and increasing our production and post production values... so... if a fantastic rack scene, a BATS scene, a whipping scene and so on, bring in the crowds, then we'll work our hardest to make the best scenes ever. I'd love to read here, in the near future, that the rack scene in Justine is the best ever, even better than Maleficarum.

I'll definitely have more news very soon, with vidcaps of Olalla and updates on its release and the rest of the up and coming productions.

A heads up Gimp action Alert on TV this Fall.
The Criminal Minds and Stalker season openers were Gimp minded for sure.

This season of CM has promise of women especially sexy young women being kidnapped, which like the first episode a woman had an arm cut off alive and await, many unknown horrors awaits them.

Then the series opener of Stalker had a couple women being soaked in gasoline and one burnt alive (not shown).

The other was tied to an exercise bike and soaked in gas but saved just in time as the bad guy about to light the match (see my previous post).

It also has promise for Gimp action but less so than CM. Bill K.

Margot said: Think Poor Cecily with our production style...

Okay, I'm thinking it. And getting very, very excited.

dmon said: Has anyone here besides me ever attempted the art of lucid dreaming? I've tried just about every method described on the internet but I can't manage to do it.....it seems like it would be the ultimate way to "live" out these kinds of fantasies

Yeah, I gave it a try many years ago after reading about it in a sci-fi/fantasy mag. As I understand it, some people do it naturally, and others have to teach themselves to do it. I had only mixed success. I found myself lucid dreaming a couple of times, but on both occasions the realization that I was doing it was enough to wake me up....which of course defeated the whole purpose. I thus gave up. But yeah, mixing lucid dreaming with gimp fantasy does sound like a very interesting idea.

bleumune said: "If anyone can instruct me on how to get the story posted here, I'll put it up.

Ralphus has a section dedicated to this genre. I'm sure that if you send it into an email, he'll find a place among other similar pieces.

dmon wrote:

Add that to the fact that it's impossible to tell whether someone is lying or not when they say they have done it, and one begins to wonder if such a thing even exists.

This reminds me a bit of how just about everyone who comes back from Vegas claims to have won money in the casinos.

They can't all be winners. Otherwise, how would Vegas stay in business?

Bill K.: Ha! Awesome story and fascinating information. Dreams are interesting for sure. Too bad it seems my goal is a farfetched one.

D. Santorum: I've never even had the realization within a dream that I was, in fact, dreaming. It's disappointing to think that doing so would just cause me to wake up. Makes it kind of annoying how many people claim they lucid dream and fly around and whatever other stuff they say they can do. Either they're liars, or I'm hella jealous.

A Canadian: Yeah, ask my cousin why, since he seems to win every time he heads to Sin City, he's still stuck at his dead end job with no future. You're bound to get a straight answer.

MAM cover of the day is from Man's Adventure Aug 19xx

Joanna 3601 wrote: I like a mix of clothed and unclothed depending on the particular fantasy, and if it's a rough and ready interrogation with some urgency behind it, or a more methodical interrogation.

If I'm a private investigator or undercover cop tracking a criminal gang, but they get the drop on me, knock me out, and I wake up in a basement or warehouse tied to a chair, then ripping open my blouse and bra to clamp on the jumper cables from a car battery is all I'd expect.

But if I was a spy captured by enemy agents, I'd expect to be stripped naked and strapped down spreadeagled on a steel torture table in a specialty built interrogation facility with electrodes from, an electro torture device clipped to me.

And it's also the same in a historical fantasy: if I'm an accused witch, I'll be stripped naked and searched for the Devil's mark before I'm taken to the rack; but if I'm someone like the aristocrat in that story of yours, then I'd expect to be dragged to the torture chamber and put to the rack in whatever clothing I happened to be wearing at the time.

J Scourge 3602 wrote: Joanna, I like the way you think. Your clothing scenarios for the various times and applications of torture makes perfect sense. It is also mildly amusing that even in such scenes of torture, those who have the riches still garner a certain degree of respect by way of keeping some clothes on. Of course those women are still being tortured but I chuckled when I considered the respect angle.

Response: Joanna, Scourge, I understand the different point of views, and dealing with the way in which an interrogation subject loses her clothing is something I like to devote some thought to. That said, my understanding is that interrogators have long regarded stripping the subject as being part of rendering her or him even more helpless and thus amenable to interrogation. So normally, when I write a story, the female being interrogated winds up naked sooner or later. That always seemed more realistic to me, especially if she's recalcitrant and needs more persuasion. As for rich subjects getting more respect, I have no idea whether that is credible or not. I have to wonder if an interrogator would want to shock the subject by showing her that her riches meant nothing to him.

JD 3609 wrote: Ralphus has a section dedicated to this genre. I'm sure that if you send it into an email, he'll find a place among other similar pieces.

Response: Thanks, JD. I sent him an email a bit ago. BTW, I owe you a big thank you, because your offer to share some of your props and poses made me go back and re-address resurrecting my old DAZ3D files. It took a fair amount of work to teach the program where all the objects and textures were located, but I've managed to resurrect one of the last projects I was working on, where several pioneer women wound up taken to a Cheyenne camp for a little live entertainment, 1870's style. So if you'd like to share anything, I'd be grateful, since I actually prefer dungeons to the open air. Do you use Miki4 exclusively? I purchased the character when it was on sale, but I use Victoria 4.2 for almost everything (mostly because I was able to pick up so much stuff for her at bargain basement prices when Victoria 5 and Genesis started coming out.)

bleumune

From a strict physiological point of view the concept of 'lucid dream' is an oxymoron. Modern oneirology proved clearly that 'life-like' dreams occur in REM stage, which are incompatible from the hormonal point of view with the state of awakeness. Now, if someone (or something) awakes you during the REM sleep you'll recall it vividly. Otherwise it will be flushed by our nightly short term memory erasure. The mere presence of residual cortisol derivative in your brain when you're suddenly awaked from a vivid dream make that dream to fade away in an hour or less.

To make things worse, there's no control on brain activity on REM periods since our brain is in maintenance mode and not processing any stimulus except for the cerebellum, that's only responsable for your immediate defense when loud noises are heard. We are still cavemen functionally.

Looks to me like just another urban legend, in the same vein with the gators in the sewers and the thing that happened to a friend of a cousin of mine.

My 2 centavos.

bleumune wrote: "So if you'd like to share anything, I'd be grateful, since I actually prefer dungeons to the open air.

Absolutely no problem. But since this discution has become too tech for the general scope of the forum, I suggest you to make a temporary google adress or whatever email provider you like and post it in the forum. I'll be happy to send you all what I've played with so far (mostly different angles for the same scenes) as well as any 3D stuff I made so far. Nothing professional grade, I'm afraid.

I like Miki4 because has some of the best joint deformers that I could find as well as some of the best full body morphs (you can easily make anything from a brat daughter to an aging lady). But you're absolutely right that V4.2 has alot more peripherals than any other figure. I learned to use them with some translations, axis scaling or simply making the part under invisible.

JD, my email address should be a little hyperlink beside the date.

The one thing about my dreams or nightmares is they are often reliving real events in my past. So I wonder if Amy has nightmares of burning at the stake or being whipped or crucified?

Great post Margot again. Do you guys have nightmares about the gimp movies you make? Bill K.

Am I mistaken or at the start of the Amazones series did I not read the there would be 6 installments? Yesterday (Thursday) was a repeat of Wednesday. Also a WARNING: there is a website rarelust.com that allows you to download a nice selection of movies free including some very GIMP worthy ones. I did and downloaded a very annoying virus with them that was not easy to get rid of and slowed my computer to a crawl along with some other noxious effects. Browsing through the offerings does not seem to affect anything.

Today's MAM cover is from Man's Adventure Aug 1964 V5 #9.

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WoW! Don't know anything about "Tiger Bench Torture" But, the subject shown would be easy to come home to!
I think I could 'dungeon' dance with her for a week!

Thinking about a 'story' I would like to see Amy and Jac in! "Story of O" done the way only they could do it!

Tiger Bench

The girl in the picture does not seem to be in all that much pain. Can someone explain to me where she is uncomfortable or tortured.

MR BUSH: Tiger Bench

The girl in the picture does not seem to be in all that much pain. Can someone explain to me where she is uncomfortable or tortured.

The idea is that the thighs are tied down to the bench and bricks added under the victim's feet, bending the lower legs up against the unyielding upper legs, hyper-extending the knee and putting tremendous pressure against the joint, perhaps eventually breaking it. Also, as with the rack, good to use with other tortures such as bastinado, hot irons, etc. Perhaps the acompanying illustration will show it better.

Went searching to find and try to understand this "Tiger Bench Torture" thing. The search engine 'Bing" has some info and pictures.

Further into the 'torture' page I ran across "The Girl in the Lift' film. In my very humble opinion the film had a lot of content.
Sweaty nude body (Female)
Old broken down buildings
Sweaty nude female
Nipple torture 'clamps'
Bondage, whipping, stomach punching. vaginal insertions (shovel handle)
Anal insertions (shovel handle and baton)

Did I mention an actress with a beautiful face and a smoking hot 'sweating body'. I would marry that actress next week for a honeymoon this weekend!

Thank you for the visual Ralphus!

Catching up on some posts...

leknight: Apologies for the late response, but I wanted to tell you I really enjoyed your first post to the forum (3546). Okay, I guess it was technically your second post, but I didn't want to let it get buried in a sea of posts about Poser techniques, lucid dreaming and underaged pictures. A while back we did a poll question about early influences to the fetish and you hit on a few that got mentioned by others, like those men's adventure magazines and watching Batgirl get tied up on TV. You also mentioned:

One haunted house where we vacationed featured a female mannequin in skimpy clothes tied to a buzz saw. I would go back over and over, just to see that part. If my parents only knew.

That's funny. I had a similar experience at an amusement park here in Ohio called King's Island when I was a kid. Believe it or not, it was a kiddy ride called something like "The Happy Land of Hanna Barbera" where you ride along in a giant log and see recreations of your favorite cartoon characters along the way. Anyway, toward the end of the ride was a female character dangling by her wrists, I think she had fallen off a bridge or something, but I remember seeing her with her arms outstretched, and it really made her breasts stick out. Even though I was a kid and didn't know what sex and bondage was, I never forgot that image to this day, and I would go back every time just to see that.

Then one year King's Island slightly revamped the ride, and they eliminated the dangling woman completely. Boy, was I disappointed. I could never understand why they did it, unless the people who created the ride came to their senses and realized the pseudo bondage imagery was maybe too sexy for kids. Who knows?

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FOM and Rack 'Em Up: Thanks for the translations of the Amazones of Troy images. I found the complete comic and it looks like the last 6 pages, which I posted, are the only ones with bondage.

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Regarding that, JD asked:

Would be ethical to scan it and post it in that mythical section you promised for fumetti lovers so long ago, as they still sell it?

You can do whatever you've a mind to do. The idea of doing Fumetti section for the site was discussed, but it would be a massive undertaking involving thousands of images, and I wouldn't know where to begin.

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Esso wrote:

Am I mistaken or at the start of the Amazones series did I not read the there would be 6 installments? Yesterday (Thursday) was a repeat of Wednesday.

Don't think so, but for those who missed 'em, here are all six:

http://ralphus.net/dailypic14/img050.jpg
http://ralphus.net/dailypic14/img051.jpg
http://ralphus.net/dailypic14/img052.jpg
http://ralphus.net/dailypic14/img053.jpg
http://ralphus.net/dailypic14/img054.jpg
http://ralphus.net/dailypic14/img055.jpg

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Eda Chang collaborates with Arcas for an illustrated story: Boy, I'm shocked by the lack of response so far. A dream pairing of the best 3D artist and one of the top writers on the Internet and nobody has commented yet? I'm about halfway through, and as expected, it's good stuff so far. If you've got a few minutes, check this one out.

Here's the direct link: ARCAS’S SPY GIRL CASSIE BLAINE IN “THE DRUG CARTEL WAR”

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Margot announces an October 31 release date for Olalla: Halloween, the exact same date that Maleficarum was released 3 years ago. As an investor in this one, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how this one turned out. BURN AMY BURN!

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Tiger Bench: Esso explained Tiger Bench torture pretty well in his post (and nice image by Quoom, never saw that one!). It appears to be pretty much exclusive to China, or least that's mainly where I've seen images and videos of it. It's actually supposed to be quite painful if you leave her in that position for a long period of time. The rigidity of the bondage is what appeals to me, with the hands restrained and also ropes binding the legs and the feet at the same time make it very uncomfortable for the victim. Plus you can go to work on her other parts while she's restrained in that position and there's nothing she can do to stop you.

There are a few videos on YouTube. Here's one I found.

A MAM interior today from Man's Adventure Dec 1964.

Hi Ralphus,


Long-time lurker here, love the site. You have my special thanks for preserving those wonderful old scene databases that I used to peruse when they were brand new.


“That's funny. I had a similar experience at an amusement park here in Ohio called King's Island when I was a kid. Believe it or not, it was a kiddy ride called something like "The Happy Land of Hanna Barbera" where you ride along in a giant log and see recreations of your favorite cartoon characters along the way. Anyway, toward the end of the ride was a female character dangling by her wrists, I think she had fallen off a bridge or something, but I remember seeing her with her arms outstretched, and it really made her breasts stick out. Even though I was a kid and didn't know what sex and bondage was, I never forgot that image to this day, and I would go back every time just to see that.

Then one year King's Island slightly revamped the ride, and they eliminated the dangling woman completely. Boy, was I disappointed. I could never understand why they did it, unless the people who created the ride came to their senses and realized the pseudo bondage imagery was maybe too sexy for kids. Who knows? “


I believe ride was called “Enchanted Voyage” which was closed in the 1980's and replaced with a Smurf-themed attraction. Someone was nice enough to post a ride-through, and I believe that you can see the character in question at 2:44: [youtu.be]

I too loved how they would randomly slip scenes of bondage into children's entertainment. It's like the artists and creators were giving a little wink to the next generation, as if to say “You're not imagining things, other people are just like you.”

New pic for your GIMPish pleasure!

No real story behind this one, I'm just trying out a new Poser model and needed to put her in a pic...

She can endure really a lot oO

Full vid here:
[www.realbdsmtube.com]

T wrote:

I believe ride was called “Enchanted Voyage” which was closed in the 1980's and replaced with a Smurf-themed attraction. Someone was nice enough to post a ride-through, and I believe that you can see the character in question at 2:44: [youtu.be]

Ha! That was it! I even remember that music, too. It's been 30 years so I got a few of the details wrong; turns out "The Happy Land of Hanna Barbera" was a section of the theme park, not the actual ride itself. The video was so grainy you could barely see there was a woman hanging by her wrists, and even in the freeze frame it doesn't look like much, but trust me, you had to be there at the time. Thanks for memory; I never thought I would see that again.



I too loved how they would randomly slip scenes of bondage into children's entertainment. It's like the artists and creators were giving a little wink to the next generation, as if to say “You're not imagining things, other people are just like you.”

And of course, how about Penelope Pitstop? That was a show about bondage. She would get tied up in every single show. "HAY-ELP!"

Just a quick stop to say thanks to Eda Chang for the latest story. Very enjoyable.

To Joanna especially, Ralphus has graciously added my story, "A Traitor's Interrogation." Joanna asked for this one because it got lost (boy, how many times has that happened to all of us!), and I'll let her description do for an advertisement:

"The one I remember... was this really, really hot one about this real bitch of an aristocrat who was plotting to depose the king, but got found out and taken to the royal torture chamber to be racked for the names of her fellow conspirators: she didn't talk until all her joints had been pulled apart. I remember it particularly because A; it was brutally realistic with no BDSM overtones B; it was very detailed and C; she kept her clothes on the whole time."

The story can be found at: [ralphus.net]

bleumune: Great read. Got others in your portofolio? I'd certainly like to read more. In its pursuit of veracity it reminds me of another author I enjoyed tremendously, El Wananchi.

And another image, to keep the ball running.

another advantage for the tigerbench: it is a good position for some foot torture

Greetings All!

I just finished my third reading of "The Drug Cartel War" by Eda Chang with illustrations by Arcas. My honest opinion is the story was 'Dry' compared to previous Eda stories! The illustrations were OK!

@bleumune: thanks a lot for that; it's even hotter than I remembered.

What time period is it set in? The description of her clothes is fairly detailed and the style sounds late 18th-early 19th century: I was thinking of making a render of myself as the Countess and want to get it right.

In this week in Speed (sort of a Russian lifestyle periodical), a pictorial with Tatiana Zorina in the Museum of the History of corporal punishment in Moscow.

Use Google's translate to English.

[www.s-info.ru]

I believe those guys are more open-minded than we give them credit for. I doubt something like that would find its place in Playboy's pages, here.

Joanna wrote: @bleumune: thanks a lot for that; it's even hotter than I remembered.

Response: Thank you. It's nice to be appreciated by like-minded readers.

What time period is it set in? The description of her clothes is fairly detailed and the style sounds late 18th-early 19th century: I was thinking of making a render of myself as the Countess and want to get it right.

Response: The time period I had in mind was mid-1700s, in the tumultuous period in Europe between the War of the Austrian Succession (1740–48) and the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783). Looking at a list of European wars during that time period makes the head swim. But it could easily be moved later in the 1700s but probably not the 1800s, since France before and with Napoleon pretty well dominated European warfare. As for the clothing details, I got that from BustyDamsel so I didn't have to pin down the details all that closely myself.

I look forward to your render with bated breath!

bleumune

Curiosity got the better of me and I checked out the opening for The Perils of Penelope Pitstop.

From there, I got directed to the opening for the prime-time cartoon, Wait Till Your Father Gets Home. It seems to be teetering into some suggested GIMP activity at about the 52-second mark in this video, which has the line, "And what daddy doesn't know won't hurt him." [www.youtube.com]

"And of course, how about Penelope Pitstop? That was a show about bondage. She would get tied up in every single show. "HAY-ELP!"

That show made a big impact on me, the villain was SO creative

MAM cover of the day is from Man's Adventure Dec 1965.

I like the latest MAM cover of the day, because it depicts periodic dousing of the victim with a bucket of water – a classic touch that movies have overlooked. It also shows the perennial problem for artists – how to depict inverted boobs.

MAM cover of the day is from Man's Adventure Feb 1959 - Clarence Doore art.

Ralphus and Quoom: Thanks, R, for the tiger's bench photos: it is diabolical in its own gradual way, and displays the subject's soles and other sensitive parts for all sorts of stimulation. Thanks, Q, for pointing this out and illustrating one possibility.

Wouldn't mind seeing a bit more foot torture around these educational parts, and I noticed that the Moscow museum has a formidable boot. The concept of that photo essay is intriguing.

Re: the poll: sweat! Too many MAMs had "her flesh gleaming with a patina of sweat" for a young lad not to make the association.

Fabulous website!

Cheers!

3643) Covers The man was a famous interior decorator before he became a Nazi. Best known for his rearranging of furniture, particularly chairs.

3639) JD In this week in Speed (sort of a Russian lifestyle periodical), a pictorial with Tatiana Zorina in the Museum of the History of corporal punishment in Moscow.

JD, Tatiana looks even better on the rack. It’s a pity she kept her shoes on in some of the shots. But, then again, shoe fetishists have to have their fun too. Some sweat would have also enhanced the effect. Thanks for the pic.

Rack the girl clothed? Rack the girl nude? Decisions, decisions!! There is no question that this is a process that requires a slow and steady hand. The best torturers certainly learned to take their time. Why rush a bad thing? Start with her still clothed, whip the flimsy clothes she wears into rags as you make her scream and then move her upon the rack--and by all means take your time! The Chief Torturer didn't likely get to his or her position by racking the most victims. Extra points for creativity!!!

Gimpers:

From my latest update. A personal fave, Renee Somewell, enjoying some zappage and vibration at the same time!

~Dan

I like her so nice, I added her twice!

~Dan

Ralphus: Thanks for reposting the final page of Amazones. I asked my tech guy and he said it was possible but given the circumstances highly unlikely that somehow a cached image of the previous day's image on my computer supplanted the correct image. Did anyone else find image 6 repeating image 5?

Clothed or naked on the rack: I must say that the image of the Countess fully clothed in a ball gown complete with elbow length white gloves was a complete turnoff to me. There was a story "Written With Both Hands" featuring a princess tortured on the rack wearing a silk dress. By the time the torturer is done with her there almost nothing left, the silk having been mostly burned away by repeated applications of a branding iron. The story is told from the alternating points of view of the torturer and the princess. It was written by Arachnophage/Marian and I have no idea where on the web it appeared. It is an excellent effort and I will send it to Ralphus for inclusion on the stories site if he wishes.

esso said: Thanks for reposting the final page of Amazones. I asked my tech guy and he said it was possible but given the circumstances highly unlikely that somehow a cached image of the previous day's image on my computer supplanted the correct image. Did anyone else find image 6 repeating image 5?


Same thing happened to me. Got them right after Ralphus posted the links. I will get my French copy around Thanksgiving, so I will have a better understanding of the storyline.


esso said: Clothed or naked on the rack: I must say that the image of the Countess fully clothed in a ball gown complete with elbow length white gloves was a complete turnoff to me.

It is historically accurate, though. No matter how much depraved we like to think on things like these, nudity was rather rare in the Europe's dungeons. I recommend "Dark Justice: The History of Punishment and Torture" by Karen Farrington for an good account about how they were doing things back then. I recall an episode when they were of a mind to scare a maiden into confession but they could only show her the instruments and not them being used on a fellow convict because it was considered immoral so show a male wearing only his pants, on the rack. That stroke me odd ... they have no qualms on administering debilitating pain to the supposed witch but God forbid to expose her to a topless man. Religion's twisted ways.




esso said: There was a story "Written With Both Hands" featuring a princess tortured on the rack wearing a silk dress. By the time the torturer is done with her there almost nothing left, the silk having been mostly burned away by repeated applications of a branding iron. The story is told from the alternating points of view of the torturer and the princess. It was written by Arachnophage/Marian and I have no idea where on the web it appeared. It is an excellent effort and I will send it to Ralphus for inclusion on the stories site if he wishes.

Can't find it online, can barely wait for Ralphus to add it to the collection.

Thanks a ton. JD

Hey Y'all.

In honor of October, my favorite month of the year, here is something... um... fun...?

Like Ralphus, I'm surprised by the lack of response to an Eda Chang story which is based on and features links to seven Arcas pictures. Granted, I am only posting now, but I deliberately waited in hopes of first reading at least a smattering of comments by the many other Eda and Arcas buffs who seem to hang out here. Given the subject matter preferred by these two, not to mention the quality of their work, I expected there'd be more interest, but it looks like GIMP readers have an exceptionally high excitement threshold.

That said, I'll sign in now to recommend this story for anyone who enjoys (or is even slightly curious about) the work of either the writer or the artist or (especially) both. The Arcas renders might be familiar to those who have followed his work over the years – but Eda has done a great job tying together several of his Cassie Blaine pics, as well as a few others, into an engaging story which involves no less than three interrogation scenes. I know from experience how challenging it is to adapt disparate images, so props to Eda for doing such a fine job. And of course, thanks to Arcas for continuing to be so generous with his art, both by keeping it in the public domain and for sharing it here.

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Daniel: I'd like to disagree with your assessment that “The Drug Cartel War” is “dry” compared to previous Eda stories, but I have no idea what you mean by this. Perhaps it was too tame for you, but as I found some scenes to be quite extreme by even my jaded standards, I'm not sure that's your point. Besides, there are almost 50 previous Eda stories, and as someone who has read them all, I can attest they are a varied bunch and hard to universally classify as “less dry” (or “more wet”?) than this one. Just to satisfy my curiosity, could you expand on your comment? I'm sure Eda might appreciate a bit more detail as well.

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esso: I too noticed that Amazones image 5 repeated two days in a row. I managed to get #6 by copying the source location and incrementing the image number by one (Ralphus is sooooo organized). Others may have done the same. Those not following the panels closely – Really? Someone didn't care for these? – probably wouldn't have caught this because they all look similar at first glance.

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Kathyrne: Thanks for that timely werewolf tidbit. I always wondered.

Apologies for repeating an image in the most recent Amazones series...it must be so if 3 people have pointed it out. Easy mistake to make, and as Fritz pointed out, they all sort of looked similar. At any rate, since they were all sequential, it shouldn't have been that hard to figure out the final number for the missing page.

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The Eda-Arcas story: I finished it tonight, and like most of Eda's works, I enjoyed it. She's set the bar pretty high in her writing career, so while it may not be her best work, she still knows how to deliver the goods. I would recommend it.

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Coming up this weekend we'll have our latest class of "Notable Guests" inducted onto the site, adding to our list of bondage producers, performers and artists who have stopped by and posted to our forum, mostly in the past year. Who will be added to this year's class? Tune in later in the week to find out!

Not enough cheer for the new Eda-Arcas joint? Let me add mine as an enthusiastic fan of both!

Fine, okay, I confess a correction: I am a silent, lurking fan of both. And I am hardly alone. The silent lurk is our interest's default posture, for obvious, practical reasons. It's certainly the reason I haven't offered the praise or encouragement I owe until now, and I blame it for the tumbleweeds roaming what should be crowded cyberspace--a forum deafening with applause.

Or it could must be a case of our fetishes behaving like fetishes. They work and overwork well-worn grooves. They indulge and obsesses. They trip on hair triggers of impossibly unique specificity. We all have a "type," and we all work it relentlessly. We have no other way of discovering it or understanding it. We have no better way of knowing ourselves.

So Eda writes the same story. Arcas renders the same models in the same predicaments. (And Star Trek!) Marty Scorsese makes the same movies, Jimi slings the same licks, and every Jackson Pollock canvas looks the same. Every story, every render pushes the light a few feet closer to whatever lurks in the Eda-Arcas Platonic cave. (Which is absolutely my idea of a spelunking adventure. I'll be waiting with metaphorical rope, crampons, and miner's helmet on for the next descent.)

Writing as someone who seems always to find her kink's g-spot expertly maneuvered by whatever Eda and Arcas share, "dry" is the very, VERY last word that comes to mind when thinking about their latest cooperative effort.

Thanks to Ralphus spending much time editing (I've spent the past few hours painstakingly editing the story, fixing spelling and grammar goofs. It's a good story, so it was worth it.) "Written With Both Hands" is now up in the story section. If Ralphus thinks spending hours painstakingly editing the story was worth it, you will probably find spending a fraction of that time reading it worth it as well.

The story is told from the POV of the torturer and the lovely princess who is tortured with knives and hot irons while stretched beyond her limits on the rack. I found the latter's description of her fear, horror, pain and eventual surrender particularly affecting. This story was brought to mind by the recent discussion of clothed or naked on the rack. The princess is wearing a silk dress when her interrogation starts. By the time the torturer is done with her there almost nothing left, the silk having been mostly burned away by repeated applications of a branding iron. Best of both worlds.

Here's the direct link: http://ralphus.net/special/stories/moreauthors/writtenwithbothhands.htm

@Megan: Spelunking the Plato's cave... that gotta be the best figure of speech I've encounter this year! *tip of my hat*

Can't help but be amazed by the level of eloquence in this particular group ... words from the edge of dictionaries flow with ease ... there's a general feeling for me that everyone around here has at least a minor in English ... maybe it's a natural propensity in people with our unusual interests to get higher on the literacy level? Something like being Jewish is more likely to make a good comedian than not?
Someone correct me when I misused the literacy term to address a numerical issue as being numeracy. 99.9% of the general population wouldn't be able to make the distinction.
Just thinking aloud, please ignore me.

@esso: Indeed, a good story. Thanks.

Naked Breasts and Leather Straps
Some days back I posted some mainstream movies with bondage nudity on table (Debbie D etc...) Accidentally (luckily I say) got some mainstream movies with actress nude and leather strapped on different subjects. If anyone has seen similar scenes in mainstream, please share.

(1) My first search resulted this beauty Keesha Smith from the movie "Fear Chamber". Unluckily no full nude only topless and scene is short. I read articles taking only about this Big Brother beauty nude scene.



(2) I started searching more scenes after seeing this bare breasted but nipples covered by leather straps. I like leather strapped in bondage are going over bare breasts. This scene is from the movie "Evil Aliens" and the actress is Emily Booth.



(3)
A bit old movie but still worth "Death Sport" scene played by Claudia Jennings. How many modern movies (from year 2000) released has this scene?

Romina Mondello in Wax Mask.

Videoclip here.

Romina Mondello-The Wax Mask 800-500 from radstop on Vimeo

Fritz wrote:

Daniel: I'd like to disagree with your assessment that “The Drug Cartel War” is “dry” compared to previous Eda stories, but I have no idea what you mean by this.

Yeah, that one puzzled me, too.

I had wondered if it was some sort of coy reference to something in the story (which I obviously haven't read yet). But I guess not.

MAM of the Day is from Man's Adventure Jan 1959 V2 #1/.

"And what do we do with witches?"
See the bmovie picture above for the answer.

Bmovievillain started his countdown to Halloween 2014: [bmovievillain.deviantart.com], green evil witch never runs out of different ways serve up a gimp for Halloween. Bill K.

Something for the BATS-Fans...

Naked Breasts and Leather Straps
Thanks JD. That is an awesome scene.
Today I got 3 more movies..

(4) "Night Train to Terror" Three beautiful women in similar kind of molest.




(5) Not sure this is from mainstream movie or from porn. But this scene is really a good one.


(6) A leather strap (cloth) going over her naked breast

Thank you Quoom for the bats. May I ask is that from a new gimp series at your quoom.com site? Bill K.

Hi Bronx_Warrior,

In regards to #5...

"Not sure this is from mainstream movie or from porn. But this scene is really a good one."

That's Rebecca Love in The Girl From B.I.K.I.N.I.: [www.imdb.com]

The scene happens toward the end, after one of several random sex scenes. The scenario itself is so ridiculous that it goes right back into being awesome.

By using the word "dry" I managed to get four folks (1 lurker, 2 regulars and Ralphus) to respond regarding Eda's story and Arcas's illustrations. Unless I missed it, I don't think anyone had responded to it!

This was not my intention, 'dry' just sounded better than indifferent.

Megan: Based on that last post of yours, you should be writing stories as well as reading them. Your prose is impressive indeed. However, I have to take issue with your assertion that Martin Scorsese “makes the same movies”. He may be renowned for his gangster flicks and for his repeated casting of several illustrious thespians, so perhaps there are some kindred films in his body of work. But let's give the man his due… After Hours (comedy), Hugo (period piece), The Aviator (biography), New York, New York (musical), The Last Waltz (documentary), Shutter Island (horror) among others would imply that “Marty” is anything but a one-trick-pony.


esso: Thanks to you (and Ralphus) for posting “Written with Both Hands” to the fiction section. I'm still catching up on all the stories added recently, but I made this one a priority based on your description. It's a well-written rack scene, and the two-person narration works very well. There's not much plot, but the slow, relentless torture and the pseudo interrogation (which makes it clear from the outset the heroine is doomed) is quite, um… captivating.


Daniel wrote:

By using the word "dry" I managed to get four folks (1 lurker, 2 regulars and Ralphus) to respond regarding Eda's story and Arcas's illustrations.

Sorry dude, but you're taking far too much credit here. First, Ralphus never mentioned you or your “dry” remark. Second, I'm sure Megan and I would have responded regardless of whether or not you posted. And third, A Canadian was commenting only on your somewhat ambiguous critique; he hasn't even read the story yet.

As for your clairifukayshun… maybe it's just me, but it doesn't help. When I asked for more detail, what I really was hoping for was a sentence or two explaining why you thought the story was “dry” (and now “indifferent”), not more baffling adjectives. Care to expand?

Fritz: I'm not sure why you're going after Megan after the excellent post she made. Yeah, Scorsese has a number of different films in his long, long resume, so it may not be 100% accurate to say he makes the same movies, but we all know what she meant and for the most part, it's true. Scorsese is by and large known for making gangster films. The same way John Ford made Westerns and Hitchcock made suspense films. And for the most part, Eda Chang writes spy stories. Megan made her point, and she did it in an elegant way. She's a self-proclaimed lurker, and we don't need people nitpicking at her to make her reconsider coming out and posting again.

Regarding Daniel's assertion that he managed to get others to post about Eda's story by making his "dry" comment (which I didn't really understand either), I think he has a point. Whether his criticism had any merit...and for the record, I don't agree with it...nonetheless, he provoked others to step up and defend the story. Indeed, Eda's gotten more feedback from this story than most authors get. Sadly, most get none at all. And 4 out 5 positive reviews is a pretty good percentage.

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Quoom wrote:

Something for the BATS-Fans...

That would be me. Great BATS artwork with shades of Witchfinder General, which similarly had a victim tied to a ladder and lowered into the fire, except yours had the benefit of stripping her naked beforehand...nice improvement.




Also I really liked the Tiger Bench artwork from a few days ago. As I mentioned before, that sort of punishment appears to be not very well known and pretty much exclusive to the Chinese, which is why it seems to be hard to find much about it other than the occasional line drawing. I was pleased to see you've done at least 2 such artworks on the subject. I would gladly welcome any more.

Tiger Bench Torture

Anti Bot Test my butt. I hated math and still do.

Normally if I heard about a scene with a good strapping in it, I would think the girl would be getting her ass beaten. Though I am certainly not against that, I see there is some real interest in the right girl being strapped down.


Of course if you wanted to whip her AFTER she was strapped down, I wouldn't mind that at all. She might, but I would not.

Ralphus wrote:

I'm not sure why you're going after Megan after the excellent post she made.

Going after Megan? Far from it. In fact, I wrote how impressed I was with her post, so don't make me out to be such a scold. Still, I stand by my statement that Mr. Scorsese did not make “the same movies”. Quite the opposite in fact. And as this director is one of my heroes, I'll nitpick all I want to correct baseless preconceptions like this one. From Megan, lurker or not, I will expect no less than two hours of unconditional GIMP time before I will forgive. So there. THBBFT!…

BTW… In the realm of GIMP fiction and art, I don't think Eda's stories nor Arcas's art are all that repetitive either. If you take the time to actually appreciate their work, you'll notice the quality is constant. But the content? Not so much. Eda's latest story and the accompanying Arcas pictures alone demonstrate how diverse their output can be.

As for Daniel, how can you write he has a point if you didn't understand his comment? And then you say you don't agree with it? What are you smokin'? Hell, I may even think he's right if I knew what he was talking about… but really, all I want to know is WHY he thought Eda's story didn't stand up to her previous work. And sorry, “dry” and “indifferent” just don't cut it.

That said, the main point of my last post was to dispute Daniel's claim that his one-word review of “The Drug Cartel War” drew out additional comments about the story. Bullshit. It still hasn't, but it's sure drawing out more comments about his comment.

@Bill K: it is not a new story, but belongs to the final of a very long one.

@Ralphus: indeed, I had the Witchfinder General' in mind while doing this scene.

wondering if you are going to be bring back snidely whiplash.

Fritz wrote:

As for Daniel, how can you write he has a point if you didn't understand his comment?

I understood his comment was somewhat negative, and so could everyone else. That's why Megan posted, why I posted, why you posted, to give an alternate opinion. Not that hard to figure out.

And then you say you don't agree with it?

Nope, I don't agree with it. I liked Eda's story.

What are you smokin'?

What am I smoking? You really want to take a look? Okay, go ahead and lift the lid.



Mmmmm...TASTY! Help yourselves, guys! You want a leg or a breast? And someone get me a martini. Very...dry.

Hey folks, I'm still alive… or at least a I'm a reasonably eloquent zombie. I just wanted to give a shout out to Eda for her fine work on that Cassie Blaine story. I tried to give her as much maneuver room as possible with the character and I thought she did a great job walking that tightrope of "working with someone else's character" while trying to deliver the kind of punchy Eda Chang story that've all come to expect. She had the added challenge of making something that worked around my pre-existing illustrations, so her story crafting was really put to the test.

Anyway, if you're a fan of secret agent peril, you MUST check it out! [ralphus.net]

I've had a low profile in regards to "genre work" lately as my other professional commitments have been demanding my time. But I still stop by each day to read. I'll try to be a little more participatory, even if I don't have any new art works to share.

I like Eda's and Arcas' Cassie Blaine story very much. Other then mutilation part which is not my thing, the tortures, especially electro shock, of Cassie were very erotically written.

I look forward to more Eda and Arcas picture stories hopefully in the near future. Bill K.

Naked Breasts and Leather Straps
T: Thanks.. perfect scan...

(7) Unknown actress?? from "feardotcom"

Yes.. this is the perfect movie I am talking about the topic "Bare Breasts and Leather Straps" .. first I thought this is a horror movie but the snaps of naked breasts strapped over nipples forced me to watch entire movie.. but I couldn't find these snaps in the on-line movie versions. Is there any uncut scene (pulling out nipples from the straps?). Also I am confused the girls in these snaps are all same or different??These scenes in web version of the movie are dark (filmed in low light??) can't tell who are they! I hope somebody could help me here...

I love straps: anyone who uses a specially built restraining table or frame does enough torture to need one; they'e professionals.

Bronx_Warrior.I think your screen caps are from a movie called Fear.com.

Bronx_Warrior,


That's Amelia Curtis in FearDotCom.


Is there any uncut scene (pulling out nipples from the straps?).

Yes, about an hour and 28 mins in. Although it only lasts a second, and it's possibly a body double.


Also I am confused the girls in these snaps are all same or different?

That's Ms. Curtis in all those pics.

A different actress is also tortured on that slab, often seen in flashbacks(then her ghost haunts the internet) but you don't see very much of her.


?These scenes in web version of the movie are dark (filmed in low light??) can't tell who are they!

One of the biggest complaints about this movie is that it's almost entirely shot in this manner.


Hope this helps.

Thanks Bill:
The movie Fear.com is totally a scrap except the torture chamber scene to like. I wonder why the film makers didn't think to extend these scenes (they might have noticed the film will hit box office fail after seeing final preview) - re-shoot these scenes to allure SM fans at least. If I am there, I would re-shoot these scenes with big busted known beauties to hit at least some good rating from SM fans. The same formula legendary director Lee-Frost did it for his film "Poor Cecily"- the 20 min dungeon scene is so popular even after the 40 years the film is released.

Ralphus: I liked Eda's story too. But that doesn't mean I disagree with every negative comment made about it. Like you said, Daniel may well have a point – I'd just like to understand what it is.

As for what's under the lid, I guess that's one way to put those dungeon leftovers to good use. You sick little man you.

@Fritz: I'll let the highly characteristic soundtrack to The Color of Money (my favorite Marty flick) refine my argument: "It's in the way that you use it." Yes, Mean Streets is a long way from Hugo is a long way from The Last Temptation of Christ, except that it isn't.

"Pool excellence is not about excellent pool," Fast Eddie Felson reminds us, and truer words have never been spoken about any well-stroked fetish--be it nine-ball, explosively irreverant visual energy in filmmaking, or Eda's smart-assed, hard-boiled realists who ride plot twists and torture racks until the break rolls their way--or not.

That we notice certain persistences in the way artists see and create does not diminish the distinct accomplishments of each creation. Or at least it shouldn't--that's the belief, anyway, that pushed my (persistent?) lurk into prose last night. It's possible to be diverse and capacious as an artist while, at the same time, recognizing that "it's in the way that you use it," one can be stubborn, persistent, and deeply characteristic, too.

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@Joanna: truer words regarding purposeful straps, frames, and other tools of the craft have never been spoken!

That we notice certain persistences in the way artists see and create does not diminish the distinct accomplishments of each creation. Or at least it shouldn't--that's the belief, anyway, that pushed my (persistent?) lurk into prose last night. It's possible to be diverse and capacious as an artist while, at the same time, recognizing that "it's in the way that you use it," one can be stubborn, persistent, and deeply characteristic, too.

All I notice is a bias you have, whether subconscious or intentional, in regards Scorsese's body of work. I take it you agree with the Oscar for best film that year WAS Network and that Taxi Driver's Travis Bickle was nothing more than a warmed over Johnny Boy characterization. It was a terrible bias then, and it seems it still persists.

I'd would really love to read your explanation of Scorsese's stubbornness, persistence and deeply characteristic directorship of The King of Comedy. I just cannot wait to read how you will tie in the Jerry Langford total duct tape job while being sexually taunted by Sarah Bernhardt to the hotel room scene with DeNiro and Jodie Foster in Taxi Driver.

Of course, I'm making a rather large presumption that you HAVE seen one of the greatest dark comedies in cinema history, a work so sublime that the major critics actually stumbled over themselves to pan DeNiro's monologue at the end as "lousy"comedy. Ken Kesey could have written another seminal work called "One Flew Over All Their Heads" after THAT piece of work was released.

Fear Dot Com: Brian's Page has the strapped in, topless girl listed as Isabelle Van Waes. The IMDB lists her only as "Victim". Here's her picture. You make the call.

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Joe Neil wrote:

I'd would really love to read your explanation of Scorsese's stubbornness, persistence and deeply characteristic directorship of The King of Comedy.

Yeah, well maybe she can send you an e-mail about it because we're starting to get off-topic here. Like Fritz, I'm a big fan of Scorsese's work; I love Taxi Driver, The King of Comedy, Cape Fear, even Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, but for such a versatile director, can you name even one scene in any of his movies that would be considered of interest for what we talk about here? Nope? Neither can I. In fact, I can't even think of a rape scene in any of his films. Ha! And they call him a "great director". Hell, even my first 2 movies had tied-up women in them. I'm better than Martin Fucking Scorsese!

Ralphus wrote:

…can you name even one scene in any of his movies that would be considered of interest for what we talk about here? Nope? Neither can I. In fact, I can't even think of a rape scene in any of his films…

You obviously haven't seen Cape Fear. Illeana Douglas's encounter with Robert De Niro is about as GIMPy as it gets.

Why didn't anyone want to yell at me about Jackson Pollock?

This why I lurk. Two vague messages in and I'm the reason why critics writing more than a decade before I was born didn't give Bobby D's performance its due.

Sorry! Didn't mean to sink the forum with my lead-weighted Eda-Arcas acclaim. Carry on, gentlemen.

Hi all,

I may have screwed up the victim identification of that scene, but in penance I offer Genevieve Padalecki in Supernatural. (Season 4, Episode 10)


I'll keep my big mouth shut from now on, but do keep the strap scenes coming.

Ralphus: After re-reading your last post, I noticed you said that you have seen Cape Fear and that you loved it. How the sam hill could you forget the scene I mentioned below? And I thought my memory was getting bad.

No wonder Scorsese gets short shrift all the time.

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Megan: I agree with you about Jackson Pollock. But I'll yell at you anyway, because around here that's foreplay.

Fritz wrote:

You obviously haven't seen Cape Fear. Illeana Douglas's encounter with Robert De Niro is about as GIMPy as it gets.

Well, not really. Technically, she was shown handcuffed for about 5 seconds, but it's a particularly nasty scene, and not enjoyable in the least. I can't imagine anyone getting a stiffie over seeing a woman get her face bit off. Unless that person is the same type who would order a custom video where a woman gets disemboweled.

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Megan: I'm not gonna yell at you. My idea of foreplay is a bit different. Quick guys, grab her before she heads to the lurking closet again. Got her? Okay, now where's my stun gun?

Not really? She's cuffed, beaten, raped and bitten. Okay, it may not be exactly pleasant (since when is that a GIMP criterion?), nor is it drawn out... but it sure sounds like a girl in merciless peril to me. C'mon... fess up... you forgot about it .

Ralphus wrote:

…can you name even one scene in any of his movies that would be considered of interest for what we talk about here? Nope? Neither can I. In fact, I can't even think of a rape scene in any of his films…

I will say no more on the off topic Scorsese opinions but yes, can I name a scene that intersects with the overall intention of the board? Yes, I think I can.

Before Rupert Pupkin leaves to see Jerry Langford's producer, he duct tapes Langford from ankles to neck.Then he leaves the leering Masha alone with him and the ensuing scene is fraught with sexual tension as any BDSM ever produced. Excerpted is a critical description...

Pupkin wants to be the 1%. Masha wants to fuck the 1%. With Jerry Langford tied up in her townhouse and Pumpkin at the studios, she gets her opportunity. She sexually assaults Jerry Langford. There’s really no other word for it. Reverse the genders, and you open up a whole new can of worms, but, here, it says something very important about the cult of celebrity. Masha is basically a Maenad, a shrill, Jewish New York Maenad but a Maenad nonetheless. Jerry Langford’s initial terror in the limousine comes from the way that, deep down inside, he knows that the media star is also a sacrifice. Dionysus will be ripped apart. The peons will kill their idols. Scorsese’s genius is how well he understands the capitalist response. Someday in the future, everybody will be famous for 15 minutes. Jerry Langford escapes when Masha unties him so she can fuck him. But he’s been replaced. Pupkin is the new Jerry Langford, the new King of Comedy."




Clips from the start of the scene...watch it on you tube and THEN tell me it's off topic...that's it for me on this topic however.

Fritz wrote:

C'mon... fess up... you forgot about it

I didn't forget about it, you silly cat. You're just trying to make it sound a lot better than it is. And there's no rape depicted in the movie; it's only mentioned afterward. And okay, I think Jessica Lange is handcuffed at the end, but again, not a good scene for GIMPers. Helluva movie, though. I said it then and I say it now, DeNiro's character was a lot scarier than Anthony Hopkins' character was in Silence of the Lambs, and yet who walked away with the Oscar? That was just wrong.

Our latest class of Notable Guests will be inducted Friday, which is later on today. Everybody make sure you tune in to see who made the list.

Joe Neil: No, it's not on topic because it's a GUY tied up. Since when does this board talk about men in bondage? Next time somebody does that, their post goes bye-bye.

Ralphus: Sorry man, but “silly cat” isn't letting you off the hook on this one. Regardless of whether I'm trying to make it seem better than it is, and regardless of what is depicted, it seems everyone (except you) who has seen Cape Fear will call De Niro's attack on Illeana Douglas a rape scene. Some quotes (click the numbers for references)…

1. Particular criticism fell on Cape Fear for its near-paedophilic seduction of Juliette Lewis by De Niro, and for a cheek-tearing rape scene.

2. What was the most graphic rape scene you have ever seen? – either robert deniro in cape fear
the rape scene in caos (sic) or in the last house on the left:(

3. (the rape scene is unbelievably shocking, while the alley attack and conclusive scenes act as true jaw droppers).

4. The film caused a lot of controversy because of the verbal seduction scene in the school with Robert De Niro and Juliette Lewis, and of course that rape scene.

5. There's a brutal rape scene that's enough to make the skin crawl.

Of course there are dozens, probably hundreds of other such quotes by critics, pop culture pundits and casual viewers, perhaps even some GIMPers, all over the 'net. Virtually every link to a clip of that scene calls it a rape. Yet you insist that you “can't even think of a rape scene in any of (Scorsese's) films”. Just because you say it ain't so, Booboo, doesn't mean it ain't so. It may be just one instance, but I submit for your consideration that Martin Scorsese has indeed filmed a rape scene – and in so doing is, along with Kubrick, Kurosawa, Bergman and others, a worthy member of the Great Directors GIMP Association.

THE CAPE FEAR "RAPE" SCENE, SHOT BY SHOT

37:33 Starts off as consensual sex between Max Cady (Robert DeNiro) and Lori Davis (Illeana Douglas)


38:08 DeNiro pulls out handcuffs, locks them on a giggling Douglas


38:33 DeNiro physically flips Douglas over to the side...


38:36 ...and takes a bite of her face


38:40 Douglas screams with a bloody bite mark on the side of her face


38:44 DeNiro spits the blood off his face, and swings his fist toward the camera


38:46 Long shot of DeNiro in silhouette, swinging his fist and heard punching Douglas 4 times. Cut to a new scene.


39:27 Nick Nolte takes a phone call, tells wife, "Cady raped another girl."

Once again, I contend there was NO rape depicted in the movie. The scene is disturbing, to be sure, for the sudden bloody violence toward an innocent woman, but where's the "rape"? All we saw was a particularly graphic face-biting, followed by an implied beating, in which no blow is shown striking Douglas at all. How do we know it's a rape scene? We wouldn't at all, if not for Nolte's line of dialogue that Cady had raped someone. You might as well change the line to "Cady beat up a girl" because that's all we saw. There was no clothing removed, no intercourse, no reaction shot of the victim being violated, no nothing. Why? Because there was no rape scene. At all. Period.

Naked Breasts and Leather Straps

T: Thanks. Really an amazing snap.Thanks for sharing nice pic.

Today I got another movie "Machined Reborn" Again there is nothing to see in this movie except this short scene. Film makers are relying on inserting crazy BDSM scenes to get their money back at least...good sign for us

Ralphus: Well, you're entitled to your opinion, and the rest of the world is entitled to theirs. When I first saw the movie, I didn't need subtitles to know I was watching a rape scene. Besides, why do we have to know it's a rape when it happens? Even if it isn't 100% confirmed until later, it still is a brutal GIMP scene, and as Max Cady is known to be a rapist at this point, I think the sexual element is pretty obvious. I don't know what you are looking for (full penetration?) but given your strict interpretation of what consitutes a rape scene, you'd have to discount hundreds of other examples – including Rashômon and one of your all-time faves, A Clockwork Orange.

As for your challenge to “name even one scene in any of (Scorsese's) movies that would be considered of interest for what we talk about here”, you've refuted your own point with those excellent screen caps of yours. Granted, the scene in question is short, but given what is shown (and heard), it certainly qualifies as fodder for this board – something demonstrated by these very posts (which would otherwise be considered off topic).

On a related note, this discussion of a very brief but powerful GIMP scene made me think of similar short but exciting moments in mainstream cinema. I agree that what we see in Cape Fear is nasty and may not arouse all GIMPers, but tastes vary. Still, I would be interested in knowing what short (and perhaps long) peril sequences are out there. So I'll submit a request for a poll question… “What is/are the shortest and/or longest mainstream movie GIMP scene(s) that managed to turn you on?” Any interest?

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Regarding my previous post, in A Clockwork Orange, I am referring to the scene with Adrienne Corri of course, arguably the best in the film. Some of the others probably would meet Ralphus's criteria as they are more explicit (but less enjoyable).

Fritz: You have a hard time admitting defeat, don't you? In my shot by shot vidcaps from Cape Fear, can you pick out the cap that shows where the rape scene occurs? Can you? No, you can't, because guess what? There ain't any rape in that movie! Instead, you have a prelude to a rape, which is NOT the same thing. Yeah, critics and fans may refer to it as a rape scene, but the scene they were all shocked by was the biting scene, which, I'll admit, was hard to watch. But it's still not rape.

You wrote:

I don't know what you are looking for (full penetration?) but given your strict interpretation of what consitutes a rape scene, you'd have to discount hundreds of other examples – including Rashômon and one of your all-time faves, A Clockwork Orange.

First off, I've never seen Rashômon. But in the case of the Adrienne Corri scene in A Clockwork Orange, most of it is a lot of foreplay. But the final shot, pictured below, makes it officially rape. She's clearly shown being ravaged by Alex.



As far as what I consider constitutes a rape, you don't need full intercourse, but you've gotta have something there. Even a prelude where you see her about to get the treatment before penetration is something. Maybe some unpeeling of the clothes to expose the breasts. The guy climbing on top of her. I think we all know what a real rape scene looks like. But in the case of Cape Fear, there's literally nothing there.

Let's make your poll question official to get the place talking.

GIMP POLL:
What is/are the shortest and/or longest mainstream movie GIMP scene(s) that managed to turn you on?

Tough call for me, since I don't really think of scenes as far as their actual time length, but there's a really good scene in the movie The House of the Spirits (and I'm not referring to the torture scene with Winona Ryder). There's another scene where this busty chick is walking down the road and Jeremy Irons, on horseback, notices her and decides to go after her. She sees him and starts to run, but he swoops down, grabs her and throws her on the ground. He quickly pulls down her top and goes to work on her. Very quick scene, maybe one minute tops, but I always thought it was hot. Anybody remember this?

Sorry about missing a couple MAM covers of the day, but that will just make the current batch last longer.

Today's cover is from Man's Adventure Jan 1963

MADBOB: Congrats and welcome to the club, bud! It's been so cool watching you develop your art over the past few years so your Notable Guest addition is an honor well-earned. So... do we get a new celebratory image from ya? Hmmm??!

RALPHUS: Rashomon! You haven't seen it??! It's a cinema classic that has been... er..."homaged" many, MANY times since. Not what I'd call a prime GIMP film, but a landmark piece of cinema, for sure.

The Cape Fear scene, I would call it "sexual assault" (because that's what lawyers and police would have called it). The scene was to me not erotic at all. Gimp yes, erotic no.

Looking at those pictures Ralphus posted of it, I'm glad I never saw that movie. Mutilation scenes, even with complete nudity are not my thing. Then the punching the face (not shown) Ugh. Why would of it matter if he did rape her after beating her to death? You can't rape a dead woman. Enough said.

I'll have to think a while on the poll question for the shortest but the longest should come to no one's surprise is Amy's Bats scene in Maleficarum. Bill K.

Maleficarum is considered a mainstream movie in the poll question, right?

How about a bmovie two grilled gimp blondes for a late night snack? Bill K.

An interesting question here ... what is a mainstream movie? I'd say at first it should be a movie that ran at least once in the cinema halls but then, there is a large stream of movies direct-to-video. Maybe a better criterion would be the structure (like at least 1 hour and a half long, articulate narative and plot development and some more or less climatic finish) but's that's rather hard to quantify. After all considerations, I gotta be with judge Stewart when saying 'I know it when I see it'.

My personal longest sequence would be the dungoen scene from Poor Cecily (a mainstream movie only after cutting the scenes of interest is still a mainstream movie as a whole?). As for the shortest that would be the dangling upside down of Lucy Liu in Blood Hunter.

I like gimp theme

I'm sure this has been posted here before, but there's news that they are remaking I Spit on Your Grave the 3rd time.

[www.dreadcentral.com]

And it doesn't really seem to be that promising, in fact it seems like a totally different film meant for a quick cash grab using the franchise name.

As far as most people here are concerned, the only point to this series is to show a long graphic gangrape scene, and a 3rd film with the same premise would have been perfect.

I think the 1st one was the meanest and most violent, the 2nd one in 2010 had the most gorgeous girl and setup, unfortunately they cut out a lot of the rape.

New Zen Pictures offering from Kanzo Matsuura in my homepage link. Not sure about the company anymore, even with its best director at the helm, but it looks to contain a fairly decent whipping scene. Due to my reservations in regards to Zen productions lately I'm curious if anyone else has seen it and what they think about it?

Hi Ralphus: My poll choice -
GIMP poll:
What is/are the shortest and/or longest mainstream movie GIMP scene(s) that managed to turn you on?

Longest: Debbie D in "Black Ribbon" [I guess more than 20 mins]



Shortest: Uschi Digart in "Poor Cecily [less than 20 seconds]

Today's picture reminded me of my favorite shortest scene was for the poll and that was burning scene in "Don't go into the House" Bill K.

MAM cover of the Day is Man's Adventure Jan 1965- original painting by Vic Prezio

[Picture unrelated, but it's always been a favorite -- I love the guy's intent stare.]

Great poll question. A few movies leap to mind for me.

A Clockwork Orange -- enough has already been said about this classic.

Strange Days -- not much is shown, but the chase, electroshock, and concept of the woman experiencing the rapists thrill as he raped and tortured her always did something for me.

The Evil Dead tree scene was one of my early discoveries and remains a great one. As a teenager, I'd have put up a poster of it. The Entity is another -- though I found the book more powerful, the movie was still pretty great.

The Accused did way more for me that it should have, given the main point of the movie.

I Spit on Your Grave didn't do too much for me (strangely) but the second one certainly did.

The General's Daughter -- just short intercuts, sadly, but a few powerful scenes.

Happy memories. I'll add more if they come to me.

o/r

"The Bohemian Girl"

My best long scene is a tie between Corinne Clery in Hitchhike and Susan George in Straw Dogs. I know, both edge on being consensual, but never quite flip over. As for a short scene, I sure would have liked to see a bit more of Naomi Rapace in ...Dragon Tattoo.41

Lisa Eichhorn's in Opposing Force; Leslie Stefanson in General's Daughter, and of course, Lana Clarkson's in both Barbarian Queen movies.

Cool idea and an easy one for me. Two of what would have to rate as my own favourite scenes of all time are, boringly enough old fashioned whipping scenes. The first is Land of the Pharaohs' which is at best some 6 seconds of cinematic history and the other, is the whipping scene from Angelique and the king, where the slave girl is whipped and lasts a nominal 10 seconds split. What a shitty hand history dealt us with those two beauties.



I do, luckily, have some mouth watering stills of the Angelique scene, which only goes to show that tantalizingly there was more shot but ended up on the cutting room floor. Or perhaps more realistically in the censor man's own little film store...bastard!! Those are the shortest and IMO the best.

http://ralphus.net/database/azwhip/angeliqueandtheking.html

The longest wall to wall gimp for brutality, reality and sheer bloody, mind blowing, gimpery has to be Malficarum and I honestly cannot see anyone beating that little beauty. How pleased I am to have lived in the generation that saw the first moon landing and that peach of a movie...now where is my calculator for the antibot test?

The poll question: This is an odd one. I can't say I normally think of my mainstream GIMP scenes this way.

I suppose my definition of "short" (regardless of how long the scene actually ran) would be the ones that shoulda run longer. Two examples come to mind:

• Gerie Bronson's rape scene in The Abductors. It's a great scene. But just as it really gets rolling, it suddenly ends. It should have been longer.
  
  
• The "derelict casino" scene in A Clockwork Orange. Another great scene. But Alex and his droogs broke things up a little too soon.

The part about the longer scene is more challenging.

One example that comes to mind is the gang rape scene in Because of the Cats ([www.youtube.com]). I can't say it was overly long but it was longer than normal for this type of scene.

Today, the actual published cover from Man's Adventure Jan 1965. See how much better it looks with a shitload of text over that boring background foliage!

@DrYuya: I think you are referring to ZDAD81 which has this whipping scene:



The outfit and the not stretched AOH in the preview clip don't do it for me. A recent GIGA release TGGP-61 shows a better AOH stretched whipping scene and what looks to be a Lethal-Weapon-like AOH electro scene, although the heroine is clothed. I think this one will be better!

Regarding the poll question, there are certainly a number of previously mentioned scenes that come up near the top of my list. But as for me and my personal tastes, I'd have to say that the short torture/snuff videos from "Videodrome" win out the number one slot. Maybe it's because they were so hard to see in detail... but implied so much more. In retrospect they feel like Insex, just gone totally off the hook.

When the full, unprocessed footage was finally released as a DVD extra, I was surprised at how stilted and underwhelming it was. I think the short videofeed tease factor let the imagination fill in the rest with spectacular results.





While I can't find any good caps of the scene, another short one that teased the hell outta me was Penny (Ellen Barkin) in The Pit from "Buckaroo Banzai".



I'm sure there's a dozen other scenes that I once obsessed on that I just can't muster to memory at the moment...

Response to the GIMP poll question:

I had to look through my AOH torture database, but on the short side I'll say Olga Kurylenko's nude AOH whipping in Hitman which is almost blink and you miss it:

[www.cutscenes.net]

For the longest, I'd have to say it's a tie between Peta Wilson's AOH torture scene in La Femme Nikita:



and Tabrett Bethell's AOH torture scene in Legend of the Seeker:



All scenes involve AOH, skimpy or no clothing, and brutal torture >:)

Ah! Finally found one scene of Penny in the pit... though like most of the scene it tends to just tease you as to the full extent of the peril, which honestly was a bit ill-defined... but sexy as hell all the same :)

Well I guess it's time to stop lurking.

In answer to the poll question.

A couple of shorter scenes that rate high for me because they are amongst my earliest.

Billy Jack - Jean staked to the ground naked and then raped.

Born Losers - A young women is stripped half naked and groped in front of her father is order to coerce them not to press charges against biker gang. (Pictured)

Ooops hit submit instead of preview.

A longer favorite of mine is the scene from "Lipstick". Over 8 minutes from when he starts to get physical and when he walks out the door.

Honorable mention (since it is a short not a feature film) goes to "Unwatchable":

UNWATCHABLE from UNWATCHABLE on Vimeo.

I don't think providing a turn on for perverts was their intent, merely a happy side effect.

GIMP POLL:
What is/are the shortest and/or longest mainstream movie GIMP scene(s) that managed to turn you on?

I held off on answering this one because I was curious to see what everyone else would say first, for two reasons: (1) I didn't want to influence anybody's thought process, and (2) I'm always curious about scenes I might have missed. Anyway, my vote is the classic Lana Clarkson as the Barbarian Queen in the dungeon and tortured by a needle to her tit. There aren't too many films that can hit that many buttons in one scene (actually two, because after the breakway the story comes back to her on the rack and being raped). She went on to do a second movie in the series and was even hotter, but you never forget your first time so I'm leaning towards "Barbarian Queen".

My second choice? Tough call. I've already mentioned Lana in the two Barbarian Queen movies so I'll change up to spread the wealth. There are two scenes in the same movie, with the same actress. First is Brinke Stevens chained to a wall and having her lingerie ripped away and the second is Brinke Stevens stripped naked on a table while her ankles are held down by a robot and chains bind her wrists. Both are in "Slave Girls From Beyond Infinity". The latter shot is shown in a camera pan but I've attempted to piece the mosaic together so you can see why the scene is so hot. The table doesn't quite line up and she's squirming during the scene so the body lines are bit off, but you get the general idea.

I am very proud to become a Notable Guest of this forum. I really appreciate.

Regarding the poll... And I know I will not be popular with this among p.c. US based readers. My favorite longest scene of mine is the whipping in 12 Years a Slave. In my view this is the bravest most realistic (female) whipping scene ever produced in a mainstream film.

I want to mention one thing which may not be obvious for everybody. The whole several minutes long scene was recorded with ONE CONTINUOUS shot. So when watching this scene you must keep in mind that the Oscar winner Lupita Nyong'o is naked throughout the scene not just for those few seconds when we actually see her bare naked.

MAM cover of the day is from Man's Adventure Jan 1966.

Interesting poll question - in the short category I submit the scene in the otherwise utter yawn fest "The House That Vanished" where Judy Matheson is controlled with a belt around her neck, is tossed around as the unseen assailant strips off her nightie and rapes her on her bed - better still she is strangled off screen and found by her roommate the following morning.

In the longer category still enjoy the Gaby Fuchs rack scene in "Mark of the Devil", to include her tongue extraction - throw her BATS scene in and it does the job.

http://ralphus.net/database/azrack/markofthedevil.html

Stay well all

A Canadian: "I suppose my definition of "short" (regardless of how long the scene actually ran) would be the ones that shoulda run longer."

This is me as well. There are two that come to mind as well. The Garage Olimpo scene in which we arrive just in time... to have missed what would have probably been some pretty exciting electric torture. I still get turned on seeing her naked on that table and the buildup for the following torture she's going to endure, but we never get to see any of it.

Secondly, there is a second electric torture scene in Amor e Revolucao not mentioned in the database, possibly because it was missed or possibly because it is so incredibly short it might not deserve an entry. It's in episode 199 and the victim is quite a beauty. But you barely get to see her shocked at all.

Naked Breasts and Straps
Today I got crazy movie!.. Movie name is "Easter Casket" got released in 2013 with budget of $3000 (can't believe...IMDB info) The snapshots and trailer are promising more BDSM & nudity in this film. Looks like this is mix of Nun-Spoliation and Horror movie Anyone has clip of this nun nude bondage in this film?

I totally agree with dmon; the Garage Olimpo scene is extremely arousing for me. I would give anything to see her suffer through that torture.

I managed to find a version with English subtitles on youtube: her first torture session lasted ten hours with 15,000 volts with a picana....and just turned 18 years old too....nice! Why can't directors be more adventurous? Even hearing her screaming from down the hallway would've added so much to the scene.

Anyway, seeing her naked and sweating spread out on that table as he prepares for her second torture session is a special moment. Her shuddering breaths as he hooks the wire over her toe...and then the buzz of electricity when the picana is plugged in. Slick just thinking about it.

That is my short scene.

My long scene, and my first experience with watching a gimp scene was from the movie Waxwork.
I remember I think I was 14 and was watching it with my family and the scene where the Marque DeSade whips the girl until she's soaked with sweat comes up...and she begs him not to stop; well, my knickers were like a damn paddling pool. I went into my room and barely had to touch myself I was that turned on.

But, Garage Olimpo is my favorite scene. Although it doesn't show her torture, imagining such a beautiful girl suffer so dreadfully makes it a win for me.

I live in hope that some director like Eli Roth pushes the boat out and directs the electro torture scene, or whipping scene that we've all been crying out for.
Anyway, sorry if I've been rambling.xx

Happy October the 13th!

Originally I had a witch looking through the door window, but I decided to focus closer in on the girl and the zombie instead.

Y'all enjoy!

Terrific post Kathyrne and that appears to be a breasts eating zombie instead of brains eating zombie. Sadly must of been a Gimper before dead for sure. Bill K.

Love Thomas Chaser's choices. Brinke Stevens, in particular, is unreal in the hard to find "unrated" version of "Slave Girls..." Stripped, strapped down, and raped all while maintaining the defiance of her character.

In post 3734, Kasey wrote: "My long scene, and my first experience with watching a gimp scene was from the movie Waxwork.
I remember I think I was 14 and was watching it with my family and the scene where the Marque DeSade whips the girl until she's soaked with sweat comes up...and she begs him not to stop"

That was Deborah Foreman, who was something of a hot talent when that film came out. After that she made a few more films but "Waxwork" was probably her high point. She did "Valley Girl" as the lead character who fawned over an undiscovered Nicholas Cage at the local mall, then the teen comedy "Real Genius" as the girl Val Kilmer has to chase, then another teen comedy with "My Chaffeur". I think "Waxwork" was a chance to do something other than comedy stuff, but still turned out to be comedic. I always thought her scene where she's strapped between the poles and whipped was one of those "So close but not quite" type scenes that are wonderfully acted yet (a) contain no nudity, (b) because there's no nudity we lose our willing suspension of disbelief and (c) there's no nudity.

Anyone who's read the Marquis' work knows that he would've stripped her naked outright before he had even administered a single lash. That scene is saved by the acting, because otherwise it's total rubbish. That's why I favor actresses like Lana Clarkson and Brinke Stevens. They use their bodies to sell the scene because that's what the scene calls for. That scene in "Waxwork" could've been so much more if Linnea Quigley had been cast in that role.

As for Ms. Foreman, well, as she got older, the whole non-nudity thing became a career limiter. Roles she could've gotten ended up going to Pamela Anderson, Erika Eleniak, and other nude models turned actresses who weren't above a little cheesecake to carry a movie to a payday.

Obiwan wrote (in Post 3710)

I'm sure this has been posted here before, but there's news that they are remaking I Spit on Your Grave the 3rd time.

[www.dreadcentral.com]

Um, no...this is the first I've heard about it. And as I look over the link you posted, I'm still trying to wrap my head around this whole thing. Let's look over the synopsis:

Following her rape, Jennifer Hills wrote a best-selling account of her ordeal and of the controversial trial in which she was accused of taking the law into her own hands and brutally killing her assailants. In the small town where the rape and revenge took place, the relatives of the four rapists she killed are furious that the court declared her not guilty and resolve to take justice into their own hands.

Okay, I get that part. "I Spit On Your Grave: The Next Chapter". But what I don't get is having Camille Keaton play this role again. Granted, she doesn't look bad in the accompanying picture, but the woman is 67 years old! Surely she's not going to be the one playing the victim, right? Does anybody really want to see a gang-rape of a 67-year old woman? The IMDB right now only lists her in the cast (along with the original director, Meir Zarchi).

I'm crossing my fingers, hoping there's more they're not telling us. Like her character has a granddaughter, maybe 22-23 years old, who the relatives decide needs to pay for Grandma's getting away with murder. That would be fine, in fact, I would welcome that. But if it's what I'm afraid of right now, this could kill the franchise. After the strides this series has climbed to, culminating in the best GIMP film of last year (pictured above), this would be a huge step back.

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Tosoadn: Good call on Lipstick. Quite possibly the best mainstream rape scene ever filmed. If you've never read it, check out John Galt's excellent review here: http://ralphus.net/reviews/mainstream/lipstick.htm

And here's more stills from the movie: http://ralphus.net/database/azrp/lipstick.html

Didn't rant for a while ... let me bitch about the voltages in electro-torture ... voltage DOESN'T MATTER. Voltage doesn't hurt in itself (think violet wands and their thousands and thousands of volts).



What matters mon amis is AMPERAGE. There is a relation between them two, as described by Ohm's law, and they are corelated with resistance. Now, human body has WILD different resistances, depending on the area ... smallest being somewhere around the soles and highest probably armpits when sweaty and genitalia. So, as far as I can see, anyone in those dictatorial regimes that seem to have a dungeon under every one of their stadiums gotta have a 'constant current generator'. It's a simple electrical contraption that adjust it's voltage according to the resistance encountered to provide a constant (and adjustable) current.

It looks like this.



So, let's talk about how she squirmed under two amps rather than hundreds of volts. I know, it's rather anti-climatic. Just bitchin'. Damn, that felt good.

Shortest, and the first movie scene that got me up was Muti in Flash Gordon, "not the bore worms!"

Before that there were a few mainstream TV scenes that made me aware. Wonder Women when Lynda Carter was tied spread eagle, and Charlie's Angels (Angel in Springtime) when Cheryl Ladd was beat up. Short scenes but hot nonetheless.

For the longest it's a tie. Jemma Dellender in I Spit on Your Grave Too which is a gimp movie not really a Gimp scene. The other one is the rape of Jo Ann Harris in Act of Vengeance.

Ralphus - Thanks for pointing out the review I enjoyed it. In my book "Lipstick", "Clockwork Orange" and "Irreversible" make up the unholy trinity of mainstream rape scenes.

Note: The attached picture has nothing to do with my post. I included it because it is a favorite of mine and gives something for those who don't want to be bored by my comments.

OK, no rant without some compensation. Since the discution evolved toward favorites movies, here's my all time favorite mainstream movie scene (slightly ahead Barbarian Queen series).

Isabela, the Devils' Dutchess.

Here's the clip, DVDrip by your undersigned.

isabella duchessa from radstop on Vimeo.

JD

JD: "Didn't rant for a while" That electronic circuit is likely both a current limiter device and a pulsating current device. It hurts much more if the voltage is high (like 200v shown) with safe current if it's pulsating. A constant current level will deaden the nerves and unsafe 100ma ( .1 amp ) or higher will permanently destroy them.

Like static electricity, it hurts like hell and if a gimp get shocked every 4.1m seconds it hurts even more. Bill K.

Regarding the comments below about Garage Olimpo, I totally agree. I can't even describe the disappointment when the scene ended so abruptly. They could have at least shown a bit more detail:



Maybe some discussion before the torture:



Perhaps a few shocks:



And even some footage of her suffering from the other camera:



Just my opinion, that's what I would have liked to see.


On another note, has anyone ever found the content on Fear Factor to be somewhat erotic? Check out the upside-down hanging scenes in this episode, tell me what you think.

Man's Adventure July 1958 V1 #8 Stanley Pubs

Thanks Ralphus for including me among the "Notable Guests" (hey, that sounds cool :) ): I'm VERY honored, especially when I take a look at the other members of the group!

I also wish to thank my friend and mentor Arcas: without you it simply wouldn't have been possible.

And a big thanks to all those who have liked my work, very often providing useful (and sometimes exciting) feedback.

Sorry for chiming in so late, it's a very busy period in my life (for positive reasons), but at the same time I don't have much time for producing new art.

Hopefully soon I'll be able to dedicate some time to Poser, and the first image will be an exclusive for GIMP, promised.

@JD: GREAT explanatory post, man!
Yeah, the constant current generator is a must have for any good torturer. Plus, power mosfets are so cheap these days.. ;)

totally agree with two posters: Thomas Chaser is right on target with his praise of Lana Clarkson in Barbarian Queen---I remember being thrilled when the villain rips off her top, but just blown away when the next scene is our heroine in the dungeon...
and Mark Evans, I found many Fear Factor episodes very sexy, thanks for posting this one, I'd never seen it...my favorite was Monica, who got her own Playboy pictorial...

Hm, favorite longest and shortest GIMP scenes from mainstream movies? Interesting.

My favorite longest mainstream GIMP scene is Maggie Gyllenhaal forced to strip scene in Strip Search (2004), which lasted roughly 12 minutes and 9 seconds:





My favorite shortest GIMP scene in a mainstream movie is Virginia Gordon's AOH scene from Hot Spur (1968), which sadly only amounted to around 30 seconds:

I agree with Thomas Chaser regarding WAXWORK.

Deborah Foreman was great.

She made a dream scene from a poor scene.

Only looking at her face (she was not nude) was a great experience :)

Gimpers, the electronic device posted at 3740 by JD according to displayed specs is a pulsating voltage 0v to 200 v device delivering very 4.1 milliseconds and up to 200v shock and not a constant current device. Voltage matters in this circuit and current don't matter in this circuit. That what the specs said. Bill K.

BillK, sorry to contradict you, but the data displayed on the left side of the image are the mosfet's specs.
The circuit in the picture is there to illustrate one of the typical applications of that component, as normally indicated in datasheets.

Good poll question. I'll second the scene from "The House That Vanished." Yummy. My absolute favorite short scene is the opening of "Spine," where a dark haired woman is hogtied naked on the floor. The shot begins with her gagged whimpers off-camera, the pans down to show her struggling. The villain finishes her off way too soon.

As for long scenes, the first victim in "Don't Go In the House," the beautiful girl who gets burned to death. Hot stuff! I also love the dancer who gets chased into the basement and tied to a table saw in "Savage Weekend." Caitlin O'Heaney. Grrr.

MadBob, mosfet devices operate at uAMP or below .000100 amps. Guys I was guessing that was a functioning electro shock circuit shown but I looked it up and I don't know what that circuit does. So I retract (please disregard) my previous posts but still say electro shock devices have to be static high voltage type circuit or pulsating high voltage with current limiters (save low non constant current) for them to work. Bill K.

Bill K, MadBob is right, the schematic is from this page that deals with such constant current solutions.

[edn.com]

I must agree with you that a pulsing aplication is more effective but that's a completely different discution (and electronic circuit) whatsoever. It's not that I suggest to anyone to try those things in real life, but when we talk fantasies that voltage fetishism always nags at me. 100 volts! 1000 volts! A million volts!!! D'oh.

Not to be completely off-topic, here's a rack scene from Black Scorpion, episode 14, don't think I've seen it in the database (master R, feel free to add it to your files if so inclined). Another brainchild of Roger Corman and as a bonus, Lana Clarkson's playing the villain. You can't have enough LC in your diet.

DVDripped by your undersigned.

Black Scorpion from Richard Jewell on Vimeo.

JD

@JD, Mad Bob, Bill K.: details are so exciting! The elementary electromotive physics spin my imagination's devious analytical wheels in tingly directions. Something Joanna wrote earlier applies, here--just contemplating the specialized device(s), the way in which their form both indicates and derives from function--it makes most thrilling foreplay for the main course.

The minute I read JD's clarification, my mind darted, of course, to that old chestnut we call Ohm's law--voltage equalling current times resistance, E = IR. And I realized the remarkable, elegant simplicity this implies with real numbers: if sweaty skin's resistance is around 5000 ohms, multiplied by .02 amperes or so--a quantity I am told would be sufficient current to stimulate strong skeletal muscle contractions but unlikely to reach or impede the heart in a non-direct current path--we get 100 volts, even.

Which brings me to what I like most about JD's point: reminding us that it's more about amperes than volts recasts electroshock torture imagery as more of a deliberate mechanical enterprise than a barbecue. Because coursing electrons--counted as amperes--contract muscles. They do mechanical work. And this is where the electroshock deliciousness centers, for me: in the explosive, sweat-slicked strain of the victim struggling for control of her own body against the amperes otherwise wrenching muscle and flesh from bone.

In her fiction, Eda describes the sensation of electricity coursing through flesh as that of a knife, slicing up and down her victims' bodies with wicked abandon. It always strikes me as an especially elegant way to imagine how the purely mechanical force of a shock would feel--muscles contracting hard enough, awkwardly enough, or far enough beyond coordination to slowly tear themselves, to rip tendons, even to stress and dislocate joints.

In this way, shocking a victim seems akin to racking her from the inside, out. A profound test of endurance, will, and physical conditioning. Whew! So thank you, modern era physics, for adding new dimension to an ageless classic!

Another point is electro shock devices may not apply to ohms law.

When shocking someone with 12 DCV or higher with a charged capacitor hurts much more for an instant second in time, than accidently touching a 110 VAC house current.

Done both of those things.

The point is those electro shock device must hurt and work like a static electricity shock does. It's the very high voltage discharge instantly to a targeted body part being shocked and in that case Ohms law and amps are not a factor. Bill K.

MADBOB: Hey, glad you could come up for air and say "hi". Gee.... I'm not sure I've ever been labeled as a "mentor" before. It's... strange. Kinda tickles.

Well folks, my peril production has been way down this year... at least as far as personal pieces. But here's a commission that I just completed for a private client who graciously gave the OK for a public rollout. It's a Lara Croft piece done to his spec. Enjoy?

Megan, U da best. We have to figure out how to make you write more often.

JD

Snakes...Why does it always have to be snakes?

From Man's Adventure July 1959

Great work Arcas. You and Joseph Farrel are the best in my book. Keep it coming!

Best scenes in mainstream? I'd vote for Fair Game, where a tight little brunette is stretched over the hood of a truck, her clothes cut off, and taken for a joyride through the outback.

The old 80s movie Fatal Pulse had some great scenes as well, the electro scene one of the gems...

This electroshock theme has me curious. As most of you know, I produce bondage movies and enjoy the electro theme, though in my projects, the shocks aren't real - it's up to the model to make it seem real.

With that in mind, however, how would you stage the scene to make it more believable, equipment that is (on a budget no less). Just clipping wires to the nipples from a battery charger probably wouldn't work. So what would?

Naked breasts and Leather straps
Month back Ralphus has shared this sexy pic from the low budget movie "Late Fee (2009)" This is the only nude scene in this confusing movie appears only 10 seconds.. At first the straps are covering victim's nipples later the straps down under victim's bare breasts. Good one.

There is something very appealing about the victim's dance. Having the hand crank you could have her 'dance' for you all day!

Great illustration!

Darkroom, I believe if you are targeting just the sensitive nipples or pussy you use a shocking device like Wired Pussy KINK guys use.

If you're electrocuting through her body by connecting to nipples or elsewhere, a battery charge 12vdc is too low so I don't even know if electrical device in Eda's story is a real product or made up.

If it's real, it has the be an AC power supply which as the bad guys crank up the juice they are increasing the voltage. Where you find this product I'm not sure? Perhaps an arc welder? Cost I don't know. Bill K.

Hi. Here's a bit of info on the Picana; as used on the girl in Garage Olimpo
[en.wikipedia.org]

darkroom wrote: "Best scenes in mainstream? I'd vote for Fair Game, where a tight little brunette is stretched over the hood of a truck, her clothes cut off, and taken for a joyride through the outback."

Ahh, yes. Cassandra Delaney was a nice little package in that film. Here's the scene you're talking about. But don't worry about her. She married John Denver in the end.

I've been chatting with Pedro about his upcoming film "History of Pain 2: The Inquisition" and he tells me that he has three different artists working on the special effects; something he's never done before. I've been pestering him about trying to get the film out by Halloween, but with part of the production outsourced, it is out of his control.

So what do you get when you push a Hungarian artist to get a film out the door? You get a teaser video of great scene building up to a bunch of color test bars, that's what.

What's more, he's got a Roman vacation planned this month, too, like he's not going to be busy polishing his film or anything. But, maybe the vacation is a good thing. Maybe HOP3 will be about the glory days of the Roman Empire with bastinado, flaying, whipping, and, of course, crucifixion. I haven't seen anything like that ever done so maybe that could be the epic that crux fans have been dreaming of.

darkroom wrote: "With that in mind, however, how would you stage the scene to make it more believable, equipment that is (on a budget no less). Just clipping wires to the nipples from a battery charger probably wouldn't work. So what would?

Can only speak for myself but a pair of solid looking, firmly attached pair of clips are the must. Something like in Teraz movies, if you want. There are some menacing looking yet harmless clips in my local sex shop, probably in yours, as well.

If you strive for authenticity than use a double wired clip. This way you can pass the illusion that there's a circuit between the jaws of the clip rather than from one nipple to the other. That would kill your victim due to cardiac arrest before it can experience any kind of serious pain.

Don't use tape, please. In the heavy sweating experience you try to recreate they would just fly away in the wriggling of the vic.

You don't have to show a Acme 3000 Electrifier Plus full of gadgets and LEDs like a discount replica from a Star Wars memorabilia. Just press a button in the dark and our twisted minds will do the rest. If you can't get a good piece of scenery without sinking the budget just keep it outside the frame. But what's INSIDE the frame should look convincing.

Use a atomizer (kind of a spray used time ago to apply parfumes for aristocrats) to spray water progressively on the sweaty parts of the body prone to. Atomizers will leave some clumps of water on skin, rather than a uniform mist, simulating perfectly the natural sweating. Don't overdo it but add a little bit extra between shots. At the end of the scene, your vic should look drenched in sweat.

Don't add FX sparks. There's no way you can get sparks in those conditions.

Set up a proper wriggling pattern with your model. If you ever did a nerve conduction velocity test in your life you should be aware of the sensation when electricity hits the nervous terminals. The pain is highly localised on them nipples, try to show it. Running out of air to scream like in the Japanese scenes when they pass current between legs is more fake than a 3 dollar bill. Unless Japanese women breathe with their vagina.

Add sound. There's innumerable places you can download buzzing sounds that can be easily looped in your favorite video editor application. While it's unlikely that modern electronics will make that sounds (they gave up on step-up/step-down transformers with their coils and 50/60Hz buzzing cores for 20 years now) it still provide an nice historic touch, especially if you have an older timeframe (like Nazi getting the French maiden or those pesky Argentineans of the 70s and their political dissidents).

Well, that's just me. But I'd buy a movie that follow those guidelines in a jiffy.

'K... here's another bit of ouchie nastiness. This one is a personal project with the model was inspired by Deathtrap Production's (deliciously tasty) "Luna Vera".

JD: Thanks for the link to the "Black Scorpion" rack scene. I had never seen that one before. I'll put it in the ever-growing list of additions to the databases. I've slowly been adding new ones. If you check all 4 databases, all have recent additions, the best of which is Scorned in the Electro Database, which dmon alerted us about recently. A good scene that could have been a great one without male interference.

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And speaking of electric shock,

Darkroom wrote:

With that in mind, however, how would you stage the scene to make it more believable, equipment that is (on a budget no less). Just clipping wires to the nipples from a battery charger probably wouldn't work. So what would?

With due respect to JD's opinions, I have some of my own that contradict what he wrote. First off, I love electro torture scenes, and I've seen all kinds, real and simulated. The main problem with showing electric shock is that in real life, it's invisible and it's silent. In other words, you really can't see any of the damage that's happening to the woman, and you have to rely solely on her reactions to tell if anything is happening. (This is excepting the use of a stun gun, which, of course, emits a visible spark when in use). Even if the talent you're using is an Academy Award-winning actress, I have no problems with enhancing an electro scene with yes, FX sparks. Is it realistic? No, most likely not, but it does help a scene IMO if the viewer can see what she's supposedly feeling. Don't go nuts with the effects, but a subtle spark or two can work wonders. Rick Masters of ZFX does that with his movies and it gives his electro scenes an extra kick, and it really makes a big difference.



I also don't have a problem with using tape. In my opinion, one of the best electro scenes in history was in The Pick-Up, where the bad guy tapes bare wires to his victim's nipples and plugs the electrical cord in the outlet. ZAP! Can't get much more simple, and oh, so much fun.



Lastly, I'll agree with JD on this point...use sound effects. An electrical buzzing noise when the power is surging through her nipples will definitely enhance the illusion. Again, don't overdo it, but experiment and see which audio effect will work best. You'll be surprised how much better it will make your scene if you do it right.

Oh, and this is important, too. If you're going to use the same model that you linked in your post, cover up that damn tattoo first.

I'm loving all the discussions about electricity. I'd like to add that electrodes must have a great effect on the outcome too right? Wouldn't 120V AC from the outlet, for example, either burn the skin if thin copper wire with small surface area contact points are used, or make the whole body rigid with muscle contractions if large conductive contacts are used? It surely affects how much amperage is allowed into the body, and the effect on the skin based on how concentrated the entry point is.

I think a nice, realistic way of making a good contact is shown in this clip. Water and salt soaked cloth over a large area. That would surely pump as much juice into the victim as possible without burning the skin. I could only wish it was a female in this scene.

There have been some memorable scenes from TV shows that come to mind when we talk about GIMP scenes in the mainstream. I know movies specifically were mentioned but I take the liberty of including TV shows in the mix.

Years ago, a number of years before Smallville was on, there was a syndicated program called Superboy. One episode I loved featured the character of Lana Lang on a rack. This scene definitely did the job of arousing me! Naturally I played it further in my imagination--and in that, Superboy was quite delayed--and Lana was in a lot more pain.

More caps and a video clip in the Torture Rack Scenes Database.

J Scourge

@Ralphus: The electro torture scene in The Pick Up is red hot and one of my top torture scenes ever.

The everyday surroundings and improvised torture method makes it so easy to imagine yourself as the victim in her place, lying on your own living room floor, stripped down to your tights and panties, hands tied behind your back and your ankles bound, tape gagged, with your heart pounding as you try to figure out what he's planning next; then he comes over to you with a split lamp cord and two pieces of tape, and you suddenly realize just what he has in mind...

Thomas Chaser, thanks for that delicious Fair Game post. That scene still does it for me, the way they run her down, aggress her, mock her and cut her shirt open…

Also, thanks JD and Ralphus for the insight on improving the electro-shock scenes. ZFX does it well and I have played around with FX in Adobe Premier, but am still trying to work out the “amplitude.” Don’t want to kill the model, you know.

And yes, I hate tattoos as well. Alisha Adams, who you are referring to, has done several shoots on Hardtied and Infernal Restraints. She’s great to work with, but that tattoo… Oh well, it’s hard to find models to do these shoots, let alone models without tattoos who can act. Beggars can’t be choosers, but you’re right, I can work to conceal the tats…

A very short scene that still turns me on a lot is this one:

The youtube link is for the full movie (which is not particularly interesting),
but true GIMPers will jump to 47:48 and enjoy.. ;)

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Thanks MB. The whole movie is worth seeing, as it builds to the atmosphere and provide a good insight into dictatorial regimes of the 60-70s. One could download it from Youtube and then use the english subtitles from places like [www.subtitleseeker.com]

When a gimp is electrocuted with 110vac house current, the current shorts out their nervous system so their motion function is paralyzed so the only reaction you will see is her shaking.

When using a high voltage shocking devices with a two to five second interval between shocks I would think you will get much body reaction with screaming and pleading from the gimp.

True or false?

Also I have no knowledge in how painful these shocking devices are compared to just regular electrocution with constant current. Anybody know which is a worse torture and most painful? Bill K.

re: the poll question, I've always really liked those first couple scenes in "The Abductors", the one in which the blonde chick is being dragged screaming down the hallway with her hands tied behind her back, and the second scene, which was longer and awesome, of the three girls kidnapped (and stripped, bound and gagged in the process) from their car, which is later set on fire by their abductors. Great scene.

Found this on Tumblr. Anyone got any idea where's coming from?

Renzo, you have the right film but the wrong scene! The best part is after the three cheerleaders are abducted and forced to strip. They're taken back to the Evil Guy's lair where he lines them up and tells them why he kidnapped them, then he fondles their young nipples and - worst of all - pulls back a curtain to reveal what will happen to them if they continue to resist. If nothing else, Cheri Caffaro gave us that piece of GIMP cinematic treasure.

Man's Adventure July 1961

This may be off topic but I found a website at [www.bondagerotica.com] which does reviews of hentai complete with pictures. It even includes Imma Youjo 4 which was discussed here a few weeks ago.

Assorted distractions are keeping me away from this place, but I figured I should check in at least once so I don't miss my own poll suggestion.

But first, congratulations to my pal MadBob and the other notable guest honorees. Truly a deserving group this year. And what better way to celebrate than to feature a series of MadBob pics of the day?

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I thought the current poll question was a good idea at the time, but in hindsight I'm not so sure. I guessed the definition of “mainstream” would be a problem, but it turns out not everyone interprets a “scene” the same way either. As a result, Poor Cecily was voted as having both longest and shortest scenes by two different posters – the latter example completely embodied within the former (a scene within a scene I guess). My understanding is that a scene is one uninterrupted sequence of GIMP action. It could feature multiple victims and perils – but with no significant exposition or other non-GIMP gorp to break up the fun stuff.

With that in mind, for briefest scene I was going to choose Cape Fear, if only to bait Ralphus, but I have to be honest and nominate a much shorter candidate which clocks in at only four seconds. That would be Haji's eye-gouging in Ilsa, Harem Keeper of the Oil Sheiks:


It's basically a shock cut which reveals that what we thought was a sheep's eye consumed by one of the other characters, was actually plucked from the lovely victim's face. Although Haji has already endured a variety of tortures in previous scenes (and still has more to go), this single shot – not for everyone by any means – gave me a frisson for its sheer unexpectedness and brutality. And Haji's moan and expression of agony certainly is GIMP-worthy in my book, if only for a heartbeat.

Choosing the longest scene proved more difficult. Many have already been mentioned below. Also, I did not include movies by Red Feline, Teraz and other producers who release feature length films primarily for the GIMP market. In the end, I chose Franco's Women in Cell Block 9 because of the lengthy (over 15 minutes in my cut) sequence in which three of the comely political prisoners are tortured one after the other:


You could argue this makes for three separate scenes, but as the GIMP action is virtually continuous, I like to see it as one (similar to the dungeon scene in Poor Cecily, which is slightly shorter).

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JD: I can't say for sure, but that picture looks very much like a panel from a French fumetti comic. Elvifrance published a few series in color, and the style of your image is quite similar to that of some of the copies in my collection.

Okay, injury to the eye is my top number one gross-out and is not sexy at all. I don't get it. I don't even flinch at decapitation or cannibalism.

K9mmv wrote:

Okay, injury to the eye is my top number one gross-out and is not sexy at all. I don't get it.

Like I said, “not for everyone by any means”. I suspect the vast majority of readers will sympathize with you. I know that one of them, a certain female writer who's been known to pop up here, is going to be very, very displeased. And to be honest, I can't say I'm always jiggy with this sort of thing myself – but in the context of the film, it worked for me.

After all… as per the poll question, it's a very short scene – and now maybe we know why it is.

Today's MAM cover is from Man's Adventure July 1965.

Here's a little something that might be of interest to the electrotorture fans among us. Yes, it's a 50/50 mix of men and women. Deal with it.

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Electro torture is a hot GIMP topic right now, so let me contribute with a freshly made pic!

Just repeating "I don't know" doesn't impress the interrogators... she's beginning to understand that now!

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@K9mmv and Fritz: I agree that eye trauma can be both especially terrifying and stomach-turning, gross-out squikcy. But in the GIMP context, there's delicious power to leverage in that gut reaction!

We'd been talking (or at least I'd been talking) earlier about the mechanical nature of electroshock torture--about how amperes wrench muscles and for all intents and purposes rack the shocked body. Electricity is, of course, mercilessly indiscriminate; it courses between contacts and, if any of those contacts happen to be on the head or face, then among the muscles it will wrench, contract, squeeze will be those that position the victim's eyes.

If the eyes are windows to the soul, then what a sight we get from various applied amperages--the pretty, fluttering lashes of the GIMP struggling to clench her eyes shut; the crossing or rolling eyes of the GIMP who's strength fails against the current; or the wide, petrified, thousand-yard glare of the GIMP whose ocular muscles are clenching hard enough to squeeze her eyeballs from her skull like a pair of grapes!

(I have always loved the bloodshot eyes of Arcas's electroshock victims for this reason--they're an exquisite sign of both tears shed and mechanical *pressure* endured.)

The torturer or interrogator aiming not to damage his or her prey permanently is probably smart to incorporate some kind of eye restraint into his or her electroshock regimen, be it a simple taping-down of the eyelashes or more elaborate restraint pads strapped or pressed atop the eyeballs. Either makes for such a delicious preparatory detail--another sign of the tormentor's skill and dire intent.

Were it my fantasy hand on the console's "DC Amperes" knob, I have often thought I would employ a sort of hybrid approach to the electroshock eye-popping problem (using the word "problem" lightly, of course). Because I *would* want to leverage the terror and agony--I would want the GIMP to feel like her eyes were about to snap out of her skull with every shock, but I would also probably want her to ultimately keep them. My solution: cut a ping-pong ball in half and affix each translucent hemisphere to a strap that holds them over the GIMP's eyes. That way, when we shock our GIMP, her eyes can bulge from her skull and bounce around the interiors of the ping-pong ball hemispheres--but they can't completely pop out. And because because the ping-pong ball hemispheres are just barely translucent, we interrogators get just a hint of the delicious sight of this occurring--a glance of a wide, terrified iris as an eye ball presses against a hemisphere's interior and snaps back.

Vielen Dank, Herr Fritz!

Eye gouging was a grossing experience for me in an RPG game I loved, The Witcher (2). The whole gaming experience is raw and unadulterated and served the purpose but certainly didn't do anything in the excitement department.

Luckily, they show a good dungeon scene at the start of the game that makes up for it.

And so Cheryl Ladd and Lonnie Anderson came to a bad end- I mean Grace and Blythe. Too bad we will never know what happened to them. Such attractive ladies. 9 hours of work. This can be printed out and made into a stereopticon card for anyone who has such a device. I don't need one. I'm able to just see it.

Red and blue glasses version.

@Megan "@K9mmv and Fritz: I agree that eye trauma can be both especially terrifying and stomach-turning, gross-out squikcy. But in the GIMP context, there's delicious power to leverage in that gut reaction!"

Here's my deal. Remember that scene in "Hostel 2" where the guy is torturing the blonde in the pink dress with an electric saw and then fucks up giving her an accidental lobotomy, turning her into a drooling retard, and then he doesn't want to torture her any more because she looks gross? Also the dungeon had a makeup lady so the girls are carefully made up before they are tortured to death. How ironic. Or not really. I can only get excited about messing with them if they still look nice. Within reason, considering the circumstances. I could go on. I must ponder this a lengthy time.

Eye gouging as a turn-on: First off, let me get back to the whole cheek biting sequence in Cape Fear that foreshadowed this current topic.

I wrote it was "a particularly nasty scene, and not enjoyable in the least. I can't imagine anyone getting a stiffie over seeing a woman get her face bit off. Unless that person is the same type who would order a custom video where a woman gets disemboweled."

That was, of course, a semi-knowing nod to Fritz, who indeed did just that. I tease him over that from time to time, because he likes to push the limits of what others might consider extreme. Hey, there's nothing wrong with that; Fritz is a gore-hound. Howie (anyone remember him?), who gave one of Fritz's blood-soaked customs an A+, is probably a gore-hound, too. In fact, if I recall, that particular custom was a top seller for PKF, so there's lots of guys out there who get off on that stuff. To which I say, it's all good.

When you get down to it, it's all fantasy, no one is really getting their eyes gouged out or their faces bitten off, so anything goes as long as it works for you. But I can tell you that on a personal level, once the damage is permanent and the victim's looks are ruined for life, it stops being fun for me and ceases to be a turn-on. This from a guy who likes to see pretty girls beaten up. From someone who thinks black eyes, bruises and a bloody lip are appealing attributes, because they scream "VICTIM" at first glance. I saw Lovelace with the beautiful Amanda Seyfried last night and took this vidcap:



What do people think? Am I the only perv, even on this board, who considers this a sexy look? Take a beautiful face and mess it up a little bit. Women's looks are their pride and joy; they know what sells themselves to men, so for a man to smack her a few times and leave a shiner or a few bruises takes her down a few pegs and shows her who's really the boss. Besides, in a week or two, she'll be back to normal.

But if you were to take that same scenario and, say, gouge out Amanda's eye, that's different. Now she's no longer beautiful; she's damaged physically and nothing's going to fix it. She's permanently disfigured. And suddenly she's not sexy anymore, she's tainted and no longer appealing. I wouldn't feel lust for her, I would feel sorry for her. And that's a cock-shrinker if there ever was one.

That's why when it comes to dismemberment, disfigurement, any kind of permanent damage, I draw the line. I'm sure in this case, I'm not the only one who feels this way. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with people who feel otherwise; it's just that I have my limits and that's where it ceases to be enjoyable anymore.

Let's hear from the rest of you.

Ralphus wrote: "What do people think? Am I the only perv, even on this board, who considers this a sexy look? Take a beautiful face and mess it up a little bit."

I'll answer... though I suspect my response should be obvious from my work. I think faces are really important in a scene. They can sell it or sink it. If your GIMP looks like she's just fresh outta the powder room, it often ruins tension. Seeing hints of torment in a face lends so much extra impact. Scratches, dried blood, smeared mascara, red-rimmed or blood shot eyes. As humans we always look to faces to read a scene and when we see these signs of stress and distress, it just makes our emotional connection stronger.

So yeah - I'm all for a face that show's it's been through some rough stuff. It's just when you go over the top and turn it into a gorefest that you risk losing an erotic attachment (at least for me).

Eye gouging: Turn-on or no
I'd say no, but not because it's gruesome or too graphic. For me, I like when the victim sees everything that is happening to her, the tortures, the humiliation. You take an eye out of the equation, less for her to see.

Also, not sure if anyone remembers, but I solicited some opinions for a custom I was having done by Pro Villain Productions. I got the final product, and I definitely liked it. I've had a few customs done by him, and he always delivers. One of the few actors who can play a wide variety of villains. I definitely recommend him if you're looking for a custom video, he can do a lot of different things, and the actresses he has worked with are all top notch.

I need some feedback for another custom I'm going to have done. I'm looking for some different bondage positions or torture methods. If anyone has thought of one or seen a pretty cool one, please let me know.

Z Nation sci-fy series gore and mutilation is good entertainment but in a Gimp type movie no good and not erotic.

It's not only the face but the entire body should only have whip, branding, bruises and similar marks to me.

In horror movies like Saw, Hostel, etc., mutilations are the storyline and they're good scenes but they're not erotic to me.

Amy and Red Feline make erotic movies without the gore. No Zombies just sexy witches and gimps. That's my erotic thing. Bill K.

We had a conversation like this before when someone put up one of those "Giallo" covers with a woman being branded in the face, and another guy wrote "Don't disfigure the face!" I agree. Not in the face!!! And eye gouging? Really?? I'm surprised we're even having this conversation.

It's why I liked Hostel 2 but not 1. In "Irreversible" the guy pretty much totals her face, but it's all off camera with sound effects, and the after effects are barely glimpsed. Also, no eye gouging. They almost had me going in "Cape Fear" until I heard the arm crack. When he bit a hole in her cheek it was time to check out.

Pedro sent me another rush of an interview with Giuletta and her whipping scene. The vidcap above is from that scene and let me tell you that the few seconds I saw were the most intense whipping scenes I've ever seen Mood, ElitePain, or anybody else produce. In the post-scene interview she was still crying and weeping while trying to answer questions. I mean this stuff was HARD! Fans of pain will love this scene tremendously. From what I've seen so far it will be much more intense that the first History of Pain film.

Which brings me to the whole eye-gouging controversy in the "Ilsa" film. An empty eye socket on a woman is not attractive. The fear, the squirming, the begging when she realizes it is about to be forced out of her body is the turn-on; not the result itself.

Today's picture would have been more erotic without the knives pushed through the Gimp's hands holding her down. That to me is mutilation but more acceptable then eyeballs being cut out or her tit being cut off.

I think when you start cutting up and stabbing a gimp you're not taking into consideration her agony and shock. She not going to care if she's being raped. Bill K.

Man's Adventure July 1967

From a very disturbing and definetely non-erotic movie 'Theater Bizzare' of 2011 comes this scene. I only mentioning it because it's technically a racking scene and Ralphus might want to add it to his stash. Courtesy to the guy(s) behind WIPfilms.net

Fritz might like it though, the whole movie is peppered with dismemberments, guts and gore.

The Theatre Bizarre from radstop on Vimeo.

An update on the status of Olalla, and the IndieGoGo Campaign Perks!

To the contributors of the Olalla IndieGoGo Campaign,

The release date of October 31st is drawing closer, so we wanted to give a quick update on the post-production status of the film.

The film has been with the sound mixers for two weeks now, and they should finish with that in one more week.

Amy has been working on the color grading/correction of the film, which should be done at the end of next week. At which point we can begin taking photo stills from the film, and assembling thumbnails to choose from for those whose perk included an 8x10 signed photo!

Our subtitles are being translated right now. The finished film will have a selection of English, English hearing impaired, Spanish, German, French, and Portuguese subtitles!

Perks (other than the DVD, or Download of the film) such as signed copies of the script, tee shirts, photos, signed books, etc. will be distributed after the release of the film, as we're putting all of our efforts into getting the movie out at the moment. If your perks included a tee-shirt, we will be contacting you to ask your preferred size.

Also, if you contributed at the Associate Producer level, and your contribution was not anonymous, you will be included in the credits of the film. If that's not something you want, please contact us immediately.rfpix@aol.com

Found gif of work by Farrel.

Jimbo wrote:

Also, not sure if anyone remembers, but I solicited some opinions for a custom I was having done by Pro Villain Productions. I got the final product, and I definitely liked it. I've had a few customs done by him, and he always delivers.

Ah yes, I remember you mentioning that. That was the abduction where she's put in a car and driven to her destination, right? Well, tell us what you had done. Is the video listed on the Pro-Villain site right now? Actress, cost...?

I need some feedback for another custom I'm going to have done. I'm looking for some different bondage positions or torture methods. If anyone has thought of one or seen a pretty cool one, please let me know.

You'll have to be more specific than that. What kinda tortures are you into? And more specifically, what kind of stuff will this guy shoot?

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K9mmv: Dig the animated GIF! I can never get enough of Farrel's work; he did some of the best torture artworks I've ever seen, particularly breast torture.

Hey, you've given me an idea for a new set of daily pictures at the top of the site.

I happened to be going through my library and stumbled across this little gem called "Sveta and Leena" from CruxDreams.Com. Sadly, half of that development team is no longer alive but at least his work remains with us. Anyway, it starts out like most of Makar's crucifixion videos but in one scene change the two women take turns playing with the other's nudity as one is bound helplessly to the cross. Some pretty hot stuff from ImageMaker and Makar.

In post 3798, Jimbo wrote: "I need some feedback for another custom I'm going to have done. I'm looking for some different bondage positions or torture methods. If anyone has thought of one or seen a pretty cool one, please let me know."

First, I need to know what was done in the previous custom. There's no need to pay for something you've already paid to see in a previous movie.

Second, I'm guessing this is a low-budge affair, which means a modern setting with a simple-to-execute plot and subsequent torture. Ok, think about some common household items: soldering iron, stapler, pliers, and power tools can all be repurposed into torture implements. Depending on how gory you want to go, a trip to Home Depot with a $50 gift card will get you a lot of rope, duct tape, and hand tools. From there, the sky's the limit.

Third, did you ever see the scene in "I, The Jury" with Barbara Carrera when the bad guy is having a "sexual counseling" session with two hot twins? He binds their hands behind their backs, then uses a knife to cut away their lingerie. Then he pushes them down onto a mattress and tells one twin to say that she loves him. If he doesn't believe her, he makes a quick cut to her skin. This apparently goes on for awhile until he finally believes her and stabs both of the twins to death. I've never seen anything like that ever done in a porn video. Maybe your custom should be about a guy with a loose screw who kidnaps women and forces them to tell him that they love him, or else they get a cut-cut-cut. The movie ends when one woman convinces him that she enjoys being cut and that she loves it when he punishes her. This totally disrupts his psyche and he ends up stabbing himself to death, leaving her tied to whatever and slowly bleeding to death. Fade to black and roll credits.

Thomas Chaser: Yes, I've seen that scene you are referring to, gorgeous women! I like the psychological aspect of that, but not necessarily the ending. I'm more into prolonged torture and captivity, not having the finale with her being killed or getting away.

Ralphus: He wasn't able to do the car scene aspect of it due to time constraints, but it still worked out well. It's listed on my link under "Alex Chance, Sextoy". The plot was a girl who uses her looks to get what she wants gets abducted by one of the guys she's teased, and turned into his sex slave. There's blowjobs, whippings, butt plug insertions, electrical shocking (implied), and sex.

I think Ms Chance did a good job, the only thing that got me was her reactions to being "shocked". In previous customs that he's done for me, the actresses (Holly West, Nicki Hunter) did a GREAT job of convulsing. Alex screamed loudly, which works, but didn't do any convulsing.

I paid about 2k for the video, minus additional props/wardrobe. The rate for the model depends on who you want, and he charges half that rate for him, about $100 for the cameraman, and location rates vary. Alex charged $1,500 since anal was included.

Tim Woodman (the actor and owner of the site) is very professional throughout the whole process, and goes the extra mile. With this video, there was an issue with the wardrobe arriving on time, and he adjusted the schedule to ensure he was home to pick it up and use it for the shoot. He plays the villain role pretty well and is versatile as to the kind of villain. I've had him play the heartless villain as well as inbred hillbilly villain, and he nailed both.

As for my solicit for torture ideas, I was pretty vague initially. He is pretty flexible on what he can do. I'm into tortures that have a psychological effect on the GIMP, most of my video ideas are centered around the premise of the woman being abducted and either sold into slavery, or broken down as a "pet" or "toy" for the villain. I'd say impalement torture is something that I'm into. Whipping is fine, but after seeing many of ZFX's videos, I'd like something more unique that hasn't been done. I guess that's why I was vague when I put the question out initially, I'm looking for a broad spectrum.

Thanks for the responses so far guys.

Maybe I should also mention the plot for this video. A woman (wholesome, girl next door type) is stalked and abducted by a monster. I guess you could say it's Hills Have Eyes, but the girl is kept alive and doesn't get saved.

I've been a bit tardy weighing in on the whole 'gouging' discussion.

For the record, I'm not fond of such messiness. It does nothing for me.

3790) Kelderek: Thanks for the great interrogation scene. You are right. Just repeating “I don't know” will not work. This only increases her anguish, especially if it is true she does not know. Soon she will be blurting out any name, any address.

3743) JD: Thanks for posting this great scene. It has everything (almost) that makes a GIMP scene memorable. Tied to a frame, sweating, and whips. It is a pity it is short and sweet and her loincloth, or whatever, never comes off.

Re the poll:
I cannot recall the titles, but when I was an adolescent worm there were these Italian films –of which I only saw the very suggestive previews– since I was not of age to see them which dealt with Prehistory or Vikings. In the Prehistoric setting, young blonde virgins would be dragged naked (except for a loincloth) to stone altars. They would, of course, be sweaty and they would writhe magnificently as they were flogged by what must have been priests or shamans. I recall another scene from a Viking film (I managed to slip into the theater for this one) in which a consecrated virgin had broken her vows. She and her lover were hung AOH and held together with strands of thorns that dug into their flesh as they writhed and gyrated while being flogged. Nobody comes up with this type of “period piece” anymore, it seems.

I must also mention the following scenes that etched themselves into my psyche:

1. The strip and violation scene in the porno shop in The Howling

2. The first strangulation scene in Psycho Lover, when the psycho blocks the GIMP’s window from closing with a clothespin.

3. A fake Nazi interrogation and whip scene in an Italian movie (I guess) titled something like Mondo Bizarro.

4. The three scenes in A Clockwork Orange.

5. The adulteress punishment scene in Cannibal Holocaust.

6. The rack scene in Mark of the Devil I and in Naschy’s Inquisition, which has another great scene at the wheel involving hot coals and pincers.

7. The two scenes in Murder Set Pieces: one on a mattress and the other on gym equipment.

There are, of course, more, but I do not want to take up too much space.

Jimbo, do you remember the Anna Chapman spy scandal a few years back? Have you ever wondered if the Feds went easy on her interrogation? I'm thinking, just off the top of my head here, what if...

Dani Jensen (http://ladirectmodels.com/talent.php?img=7&id=308&gender=female) is sitting at her desk at work when a man approaches her, flashes a badge, and arrests her for espionage, treason, whatever. She protests her arrest and claims she's innocent. The man removes a piece of cloth from a Ziploc bag and places it over her nose and mouth. She struggles a bit before weakening and passing out. She's pushed out of camera view, fade to black.

Scene opens with Dani stripped naked and bound to the St. Andrew's cross. A man, his face covered by a mask begins interrogating her about certain emails that the Feds have intercepted and demands to know her contacts and the name of her handler(s). So forth and so on. She says she's innocent. He oils her up with "a special oil that makes the electric shocks feel that much worse" and she claims she's innocent. Next he attaches the wires to her nipples and pussy and asks her about her connections again. She refuses to answer. He pushes the button/turns the crank/contacts the battery and she screams and convulses. So forth and so on until she passes out. Fade to black.

Next scene. Dani is still tied to the X-cross. The villain explains that she's obviously been trained to resist conventional torture techniques, so he's had to resort to unconventional methods. He introduces her to "Miss Ogeny", a specialist trained in the art of female seduction. She will torture Dani by seeing how hot she can get her and how many orgasms she can handle before she cracks. The character of Miss Ogeny can be whomever Dani plays best with; no particular casting necessary but she has to really be able to make the viewer believe she's a specialist in human pleasure (maybe an exotic-looking model like Kalina Ryu http://ladirectmodels.com/talent.php?img=10&id=990&gender=female or Cassandra Cruz http://ladirectmodels.com/talent.php?img=14&id=35&gender=female or Amira Adara http://www.atmla.com/atmla2/tour/performers/38166-pornstar-amirah-adara/details.php or best yet my favorite bondage model India Summer http://www.atmla.com/atmla2/tour/performers/3473-pornstar-india-summer/details.php who, being older, would make a very believable specialist given her field of expertise).

The idea being that the first half of the movie is a serious bondage film, but the second half... not so much. Meanwhile, the villain is in another room, watching on surveillance camera and talking on the telephone to "Washington" that he "has a live one and she's crying beautifully. I'll have her ready for you by tomorrow morning." The camera pans over the desk as he makes some small talk and we see that his badge and ID are fakes, sitting right next to a different badge and different ID, and another, and another. The villain says, "Yeah, by the time Tonya is done with her, Red will practically be begging us to sell her to Mohammed as a sex slave. Your idea to use Tonya to work her over was brilliant. This is gonna be our best score yet."

You wanted something that's not been done before - well, here ya go! I'm pretty sure if the Feds actually had an expert in female seduction who could coerce confessions just by making enemy agents orgasm almost continuously, the US intelligence network would be far better than it currently is. And even if the interrogation thing doesn't ring any bells, the sex-slave auction bit at the end give a nice alternative.

Regarding voting on the gouging question.

I certainly hope the 'eyes' do not have it.

To celebrate my recent inclusion in the Notable Guests roster, here's my new image: "Escorting".
Hope you'll enjoy.
@ Fritz: Thanks bud. :)
@ Arc: "mentor" is the correct word.

Thomas, Anna Chapman should have been tied to the St. Andrews in "real life".... Wow, that picture is unreal. Just amazing.

Hi, all,

After a long absence, I am back to the flock to answer the very interesting poll proposed.

An old brief scene come to my mind:
"Madame Sin", a 1972 movie starring Robert Wagner and Bette Davis, in which Catherine Schell, an MI6 agent and as gorgeous as anyone could be at that time, is tortured by Chinese agents. We are briefly shown a filming of the actual torture. It has everything; a short previous sequence in which the girl is sent to a trap, and some explanation in off as to her fate. That's a favourite of mine.

As per "long" scenes, usually they lose some of the sharpness and quality. I would say the one in "Barb Wire" is as good as it gets.

Inquisition movies are not my thing, but I would rate the first scene in the Argentino-Peruvian film "Inquisition" commendably high, for a relatively long scene.

El Wananchi