I ended up finding all kinds of music CD's that I want to get (Yes, I do have other interests). About $300. bucks worth. I hate you man ;)

Ralphus/Rick~Great pics of late...but the damn titles/logos are covering the best parts!

Later.

Best wishes (I guess your $300 bill will help). Rod

However, I come not to praise ZFX, but to bury it.... Ralphus, I have read many of your posts and for the most part (except for the smoking) I believe we share many of the same tastes when it comes to BDSM fantasy. I think Insex is going to blow your mind.....far from being a haven for tattooed freaks (dare I mention that lovely Lisa, Penelope, and many other ZFX models sport tatoos?) Insex comes up with great article after great article of gorgeous women being taken to their limit. You will have access to dozens of movies and thousands of stills.

I have been a BDSM fan for over thirty years and I have been reading with great interest the recent postings re: HOM which was THE source for quality BDSM during the Behr/Cole era. Then came the lean years until Rick got his act together. Now, Rick's material seems tame and obsolete in comparison to Insex much in the same way as the B&D pleasures and London videos seemed lame in comparison with ZFX. Perhaps Rick's time has past. Whaling on a girl w/ velvet whips and phony electro shock used to do it for me as fantasy material, but after witnessing the real thing daily and in excellent quality on the Insex site, I must say the days of waiting impatiently for Rick to pull together another video are long gone.

So far, my favorite has been a segment with Liz Tyler (Cowgirl) where they have her tied to a chair, and they put a plastic bag over her head with a hose attachment for her air. The man says he found cigarettes in her bag, so he uses her own cig to blow smoke directly into her bagged face, which makes her cough violently. I know, doesn't sound like much, but I love forced smoking, I love Liz Tyler, and this is my thing. After that, a man and a cute chick wire her up with electrodes and put her though an extremely rough electric shock torture session. It's obvious that Liz ain't acting; she is in some serious torment!

Later on, they wire her up with a shock device and hold the conductant directly under her pussy and make her urinate directly onto it, which sends the voltage through to her! Awesome stuff, and I've only barely scratched the surface of Insex's catalog. I feel like a kid at Christmastime :)

I never said ZFX was the only game in town, and because I had seen some of Insex's works before, I knew they were doing something special. Dan Hawke posted recently that he thinks PD at Insex may be raising the bar as far as these sessions he has these girls go though. I have to say that I agree; there's some incredible stuff here so far, and my eyes may never quite fit properly back into their sockets after seeing all they have to offer.

I guess the fantasy aspect is still what makes me really appreciate what ZFX offers. Yeah, I know their stuff is fake, but it's realistically performed illusions and the settings are completely different. Your average ZFX movie is about innocent girls being raped and tortured against their will by degenerates who grab them and chloroform them and use them for their own evil pleasure. Insex, while totally real, is still ultimately consensual S&M sessions performed in a dungeon-like setting. Would I want to be PD, in charge of conducting an S&M scene with one of the Insex girls? Sure, but I'd probably prefer to be the villain in a ZFX story, breaking into a hot chick's house and raping her and using her any way I see fit. I don't want her to consent to my tortures; it's just more fun that way! So again, it's all a matter of preference, and I totally see why you would favor Insex in this case, as they are doing some awesome stuff. I intend to fully enjoy my membership, and I'll look forward to seeing what ZFX and others have to offer, as well. I'd love to hear what others think about this.

I'm glad you decided to give insex a try. As you can see there is some incredible stuff there. Especially for someone who has never been a member before.

Just to clarify pd is absolutely raising the bar. However at the time I was talking about influence on the field. Right now pd is something of a shooting star. He has a unique vision and style. The only judgement of history will be is it a style other producers can adapt (note I said adapt, not copy) or if he is anomoly. One of a kind.

His vision may be too unique for others to riff on. He takes things so far it may be hard, if not impossible to use his ideas as a jumping off point for improvisation.

Enjoy the wealth of material of someone who is inventing a new genre of music. We'll see if any others can learn to do more than ape the melodies... ;)

~Dan

I agree with you folks, Insex has taken S&M into another facet with a unique vision and style. Although consensual, the style, setup, props & scenes are riveting in fantasizing a "hogtied-big-tits-firm-spread-thighs-for-a-dildo-on-a-rod-blonde" being in a situation non-consensual, whimpering, gagging, grunting, squirming......oh, sorry!..

Anyway, being a bondage/role-play rape kinda guy, ZFX has always been my fav - the scenerio's are great, babes are tight, and especially recent releases since SOB3 (IMO), Rick has brought wonderful subjects who CAN display non-consensual pleading, penetration at both ends and realistic expressions.

I've been an HOM fan since my college days in the early 80's after finding an HOM movie review mag for "Tourist Trap". I must have ordered hundreds of mags and vids from HOM during that time, and always seemed to have missed one vid/loop, then searched high & low for that particular clip/vid. The girls were also "tight" (my only expression I can think of now), firm and sexy.

HOM revealed to me a very realistic view for fantasy - no fake tits (IMO), no excessive use of garter-belt, lacy thigh-highs, no 6-7 inch stilleto heels, nor extreme corset-styled underclothing in every clip....just real blouses and skirts/dress' that seem to look more sexy on these girls when half ripped, shredded and torn just enough to show their firm tits and or thighs while spread and tied.

I've seen several of Ricks vids that have these qualities and I applaud him -and from the pics posted randomly on this forum, I've enjoyed all of them...keep 'em coming...er...

Starfleet- I had ordered a vid on sale from forbidden soon after Steve's post and within a week and two days (considering the holidays), I received it, watched it and enjoyed it. BTW, great forced BJ scene in Dr. Ruthless - very messy, deep and more non-consenual than I first thought.....love to see her in another vid maybe kidnapped, tied, tortured and then raped -she would be excellent (again, IMO).

OK, forgive the rambling...Ralphus, Steve, Dan, Rick, AvF, M-Dog...everyone have a Happy New Year! Matrix

With recent discussions about InSex and Dan Hawkes' work, we're looking at models placed in increasingly painful bondage situations. I'm left wondering if we're not allowing the envelope to be pushed too far.

On one hand, I can understand the sentiment that it's not the customer's problem whether a model was abused during a shoot if she was paid for her troubles. On the other, our dollars help encourage a certain type of behavior amongst bondage producers. I've heard that Tyler Scott's breasts were physically burned during an InSex electric torture shoot. There's a difference between a model consenting for a bondage shoot and being taken beyond her limits. There have been many instances, even with longtime bondage producers of models being left in stringent bondage longer than she should have while the photographer continues snapping photos and shooting video because they spent so long putting her in such a tortuous situation. To me, if a model is literally crying in pain, it's time to cut her loose.

I love to see a model look as if she's in dire distress. Some models can act the part magnificently--others don't do as good a job. I'd rather get an acted look of pain than a real one. Much of the time, the acting is much more dramatic. A model, in severe pain, might internalize her discomfort so that the performance is very wooden. I'm not interested in seeing that kind of performance. I want histrionics. I want the model to look as if she's fighting for her life. Sometimes I get that performance and that's when I'm really thrilled with the results.

Just wanted to pop my head in and wish everyone a safe and happy New Year. Got a lot of exciting stuff in the works, the sequel (and probable finale) of the South of the Border series has been shot with Ms Payton. We really did some incredible stuff, shes a tuff gal and did a great job. Also working on the of modern day version of Bitter Sweet Revenge I mentioned in an earlier post. The working title is Bitter Sweet 2000 but that could change. The story is actually quite a bit different, but it was kind of my inspiration for this thing and it has some very BSR esque imagery (think manequins)=) Im also starting the massive conversion to DVD, with True Detective and Maximum Desade being available on DVD by mid month. Check the site for availability.

Fantasy vs. Reality:T bone, I wouldnt start shoveling just yet=) Everyones entitled to their opinion and just to prove it, I'll give you mine. Personally, I find reality based product rather limiting as a videographer, an artist and even as a consumer of pornography. Not saying its all bad, its just in the quest to be real, it often cant go as far as Id like things to go in certain ways. A lot of potential ways to torture come off the table when you tie yourself to reality. The slave master thing doesnt really appeal either, I like torture with a purpose other than just its own end, and the victims unwilling. Neither of these themes are frequented in scene play. The up side to this type of material is its a fairly genuine event, kinda like Fear Factor. It has that same sadistic appeal. While I enjoy this kinda stuff, thats not really where my head is at.

In fantasy, you can do anything, and I guess I like to be able to fully exploit anything I can think of rather than have to bend to physical limits, even if those limits may be high. Sure, it's just an illusion, but illusions are often the only way these images can be presented. ZFX will never be about showing you what can be done in reality, but rather focused on things and situations that for practical, or ethical reasons (or because its just plain impossible), cant be done in real life. I want to be as fucked up as I can be (within certain limits of the law) and I'm not gonna let something like reality get in my way...The point I'm getting at is if I want to (on tape) strangle some hot chick unconscious till she pisses herself, stick a 15 inch dildo down her hole and tape it in for a gag, put a couple Marlboros out on her clit,then inject her with Drano and fuck her in the ass with a splintered 2x4, that would be kinda hard to do in reality without getting yourself in a heap of trouble.

Also, to subject another person to that level of abuse would be just plain WRONG, criminal. You have just seen a short list of the many things you will not see at Insex or any other reality based bondage purveyors. The whole purpose of ZFX is to show things too horrendous to be carried out in real life. Comparing ZFX to reality based material is like comparing apples and oranges. Similar but different. Its 2 similar but divergent trains of thought. Companies like Forbidden or EW are more in line with ZFX and where my interests sit. Bottom line, people like what they like, if your into harsh scene play, by all means go for the Insex. But if your looking for something maybe a bit darker, a bit farther off the beaten path, come on over=).

INSEX and Dan: Theres no doubt they do a nice job, but is PD Yoda like Dans sayin? NO, because I'M Yoda dammit! He can be Darth Vader and Dan, you can be....Chewbaca. Steve your Hans Solo and Ralphus...uh...C3PO, Mad Dog , your R2 D2. Everyone else, just grab a character:P Then we go find Princess Leia....we could turn MadDog into a torture bot....muhahaha! Seriously though, I think Insex has mad skills, so does Dan for that matter, as far as demented torture, tight bondage and stuff. Moving the bar? Maybe for the lifestyle crowd, but for me I just do what I do. I set my own goals. Insex really reminds me of the movie Videodrome, I think thats the feel hes going for and it works, but it doesnt fulfill all the things I need either. I can at least enjoy the stuff to a large degree, its damned interesting to watch, which is more than I can say for most lifestyle stuff like Bizarre (ack!).

As far as collaboration, sending models over to Insex, the models that work for me are not lifestyle, they are workaday powder puff hotties or strippers and just not into heavy scene play. To work at ZFX you dont have to be that tuff, just willing=)The girls at Insex LIKE IT, and this is one of the aspects that I dont care for about their product.

RR comments:I agree with your points, and being a big softy myself, I really dont like to see a model in real pain. You've got to respect limits if your going to do this shit, and if you dont eventually it will be your downfall.

Of course, all this shit is just my personal taste, opinions etc., take it for what its worth;)

Ok, enough chit chat, back to the pit....Happy 2003!

Rick=)

I agree with Rick in the comparison being like apples to oranges. Give me fantasy anytime! Like I just posted recently about Jay Edwards and Bryan Davis' videos, I have a couple for a few choice scenes....but nothing to keep my interest for the long haul. Give me non-consensual fantasy over real life consensuality anytime. It's the same thing. There will be things that will catch my eye.....but in the end, no matter how severe, it still is consensual bondage for bondage sake/torture for torture sake. In fantasy, those elements are a means to an end...whatever that end may turn out to be.

I think Rick touched on the key here though when he mentioned "Fear Factor". Fear Factor equating to reality bondage/torture scenarios as opposed to fantasy, which equates to the ZFX's/Forbidden's/EWP. Even though I like watching Fear Factor I watch it for basic entertainment. In other words, I would never pay to watch it as opposed to going to the theatre to indulge in a fantasy and get swept away by it.

Fantasy/storied themes are a whole less likely to get the fast forward button.

Later.

Just curious to see what everyone else thinks on this.

Later.

AvF: To me, context of the spread is everything. For the views alone, there is enough in vanilla porn for hundreds of life times. But for those of like tastes to mine, a spread shot can cap a series of humiliations perfectly. Take for example, Kelly McKay in SOB-IV, (yes I've talked about that movie too much, but the example fits perfectly), after a serious stretch of brutal naked captivity that starts in SOB-III, her scenes in IV are climaxed with her wide open whipping at the end of the movie (I think Mad Dog had the honors!). It was that last removal of any shred of dignity that made it fascinating... And the view was lovely as ever.

Trick or Treat 2: The Pack Mule is a name-only sequel to Forbidden Video's earlier release, and that's a good thing because this one is much better. It stars a newcomer named Dynamite, who is a newspaper reporter investigating a drug ring that's operating in her neighborhood, where men are making a fortune manufacturing crack. She comes up with a plan. Since this is Halloween night, and since she's only 4 foot 10, she can put on a mask and disguise herself as a child and hopefully gain access into the crack house. Pretty clever idea, huh?

So that night, she rings their doorbell and lies to the two men inside, saying that her older sister got hold of some bad candy, ripped off all her clothes and is running down the street naked. Well, naturally, the men immediately dash off into the night to go look for her, leaving their door open for Dynamite to sneak inside. The ambitious reporter then investigates the house, using her video camera to film all the illegal activity. It's not long before the men return and catch her in the act, and Dynamite is in some serious trouble. The tiny reporter is no match for these two burly thugs.

They interrogate her on the couch, trying to get information out of her while sticking a gun in her mouth as they go through her things. When they discover a knife in her bag, they decide to cut off her costume and take a look at what they've got. After a stripping and some excellent verbal threatening, the men go to work on her, using their fingers to violate her ass and pussy.

Dynamite is keeping quiet about who she is, so the men decide that they'll just have fuck it out of her! One of the men holds her while she's forced to suck the dick of the other man, all the while berating her with more nasty (and often hilarious) abuse and threats. They flip her over and make her suck the other man while she's pounded from behind. Then as she's being fucked again, the other man grabs her by the neck and chokes her into unconsciousness.

With her passed out, the men decide to have some more fun with her. They take her out to the garage and tie her in a seated position, with her legs bound far apart to a spreader bar and her hands tied in front to her knees. They raise her legs off the ground and prepare her for some electric shock torture. Taping the wires of a battery charger onto her nipples, they plug the cord into a socket and give her several long jolts, causing her body to shake violently. Then they improve her appearance by gagging her mouth with duct tape and add clothespins to her pussy lips, taping them open with more electrician's tape. After they turn off the juice, they penetrate her pussy with a dildo, working it around inside while laughing and berating her.

Then the abuse continues, as the poor girl has her ass violated by the dildo while the other man decorates her body with more clothespins, adding them all over her body, including on her nose. He threatens her with his burning cigarette before removing the tape from her mouth and allowing her to speak, and she pleads, cries and finally confesses who she is. After that, they stick the tape back on her mouth and treat themselves to a taste of her pussy, while she moans passionately through her gag.

The men decide that the nosy reporter can help them smuggle their drugs out of the country if they fill up every orifice of her body with vials of coke. But to do that, they'll have to stretch out all her holes, and what better way than a good forced fucking?

They cut her down and lay her out face down on the floor, her legs still forced wide apart by the spreader bar, with her asshole open and available. They untie her hands and force her to suck one man while the other fucks her from behind, cumming on her ass. They turn her over on her back and the other man rapes her pussy while the first man holds her down. Then the action moves over to the couch while he packs her from behind. He cums inside her, so we don't see an actual cum shot.

Now to make her a "pack mule". They take her to the kitchen and bend her over the table, and proceed to shove several vials of coke up her pussy and ass, although it's clearly an illusion and she's not really taking all that inside her small little body. Anyway, she spies a gun left on the table and uses that to kill both men, which they deserved for not having tied her up in this scene. She then leaves and proceeds to get dressed (what, leaving all that dope stuffed up inside her?), vowing to write a killer story. Fade to black.

This is one of Forbidden's most successful efforts, finally combining a good story with hardcore sex and bondage and even torture this time, an element that's been mostly missing from their work. The reason this tape works so well, besides the subject matter, is that both men, played by Dick Tracy and Marty Romano, give excellent performances, really punching up the fear and intensity of the situation. By contrast, Dynamite, who was the second choice in the role after Forbidden's most popular star, Gauge, backed out, gives a much more retrained performance as the victim. Petite, blonde, and with a slightly trashier look than the beauteous Gauge (as well as a small tattoo on her side) starts off very quiet, before finally putting on a little more vocal show as the tape moves on. Strangely enough, it's after her mouth gets taped that she finally starts squealing, because there was little need to gag her before then. I would have preferred to see what Gauge would do in this same role, but it's a small quibble. This one works from start to finish, with moments of greatness along the way. My grade: B

Rick, I am glad you took no serious offense to my comments. I'll put my shovel away... ;) You are my all time favorite pornographer. No one else is even in the ballpark. I have rented or owned every ZFX title except for Peril Age and SOB 6 and I'm sure I'll get to SOB 6 as soon as the video store gets it in.

As with most of the posters on this board, non consensual torture and rape (with the emphasis on torture) was what drew me to ZFX in the first place. Rick and his stable of wonderful models were willing to go further and depict more sadistically evil scenes than anyone else in the business. I would say that Rick raised the bar considerably with his vision of non consensual B&D. I bought into it big time.

But getting back to the apples and oranges comparisons between Insex and Zfx, metaphorically speaking, they're both fruit. It's subjective--everyone has their preferences and I never thought I'd be espousing a consensual BDSM product over a non-consensual product. But the point I was trying to make re: Insex, is that the bondage and torture is so rough, raw and intense, it is a small leap of imagination to look at these scenes as non-consensual fantasy in the same way we look at ZFX-- as we all know Lisa is consenting to whatever Rick has planned for her. I make up a plot in my mind (as I also do w/ ZFX movies) and go from there. My most erotic BDSM fantasies usually have to do w/ Interrogation (BTW, the stills for SOB6 look incredible) and seeing a strong, defiant woman slowly being broken despite her best efforts to resist is irresistable to me. The way Insex & PD do it has raised the bar to new heights. And even though they do things to the models I have only previously seen in the drawings of DeMulatto and Pachard, they are extremely concerned w/ model safety as has been testified to by the models themselves in the Insex forums. If I thought otherwise, there could be no way I could participate in such a site.

But to get to the point of these ramblings, I challenge the artist in Rick to keep striving to bring your visions to life with more realistic treatment of your victims. Possibly Dan Hawke could refer some of his cuties who can act a bit and are willing to submit to some harsh treatment-- in fact it would be a great collaboration if you & Dan could work together as you both have strengths and weaknesses in your presentations. With you directing, filming, editing, and acting out the part of the evil mastermind and with Dan doing the bondage and torture, I believe the bar could be raised once again. B&D history could be made. (and a few bucks!)

I realize these are the ramblings of an out of the loop fan, but we can dream, can't we?

Another option for a possible Insex/ZFX collaboration as well maybe? Like in not "sending over " ZFX models to Insex but other way around?

Could be interesting as well as far as fantasy/reality mix goes.

I just ordered Trick or Treat II on the strength of the review Ralphus posted, but I am waiting for the uncut version of Open House.

By the way, Forbidden and Bizarro have always provided me with excellent customer service. I have ordered from both many times, and would not hesitate to do so again. There have been a couple of times when my order was not quite what I had expected, and you have always gone the extra mile to fix the situation and make me a very happy customer. So, thanks!

Hmmmmm, a collaboration.....

Ten lovely girls think they are the finalists for a beauty contest. Little to they know they are in for an evening of toment and mayhem!
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Of course we would need a time machine to get some of these models when they were in their time. But I did try to pick models that I think put on a good performance at one time or another or that I find to be especially hot!.

The collaboration idea intrigues me and I want to take a moment to say why. I've sampled a LOT of bondage films from a variety of producers. While each have moments, I think each also DESPARATELY needs to take advantage of what some of the other do better. For example. B&D pleasures have been making lots of movies as of late such as Drug Traffickers and Knifepoint. The lighting and the sets for these are VERY well done - professional grade IMHO. And the models do seem to try to sell the scenes. But their bondage rigger is a moron. Much of the time the models look more like they are acting as though they are tied up. Rope just fall off. A spreader bar comes loose. At a few points, I even began to wonder about the models safety!! This is a bondage film! I'm supposed to be thinking the oposite.

Now let's take a look at our own ZFX and Rick.
ZFX is hit and miss for me because I dislike gags and I don't go for scenes where there are all kinds of crap taped to a model. But I realize these are stylistic differences. I still think ZFX could benefit a LOT from better lighting. I loved Phallicide and Ballista 3, and yet I think the dark and dreary lighting that Rick is going for detracts from the oveall look. Everything seems a bit grainy and monochromatic to me. I have read earlier that Rick is going for a 'realistic' look. Perhaps he fears the bleached look of the newer HOM stuff. Well, I am certainly not an expert on lighting. I can only say that I agree that the newer HOM stuff does lacks a dramatic feel. But the stuff from B&DPleasures does not. I think their lighting style still allows for a dramatic scene while still being crisp and clear.

While I'm on my soap box, and while I have a chance of catching Dan-Hawke's ear, I need to say a few things regarding Dan's work. Dan? Are you sitting down? Well siddown my friend. You do very good work. I can get behind your attitude of trying to capture the good parts, of pushing a model's limits, but what the heck are you doing IN the film? You modeling days are over bud. Someone has to tell you this, man. I think your work would improve a hundredfold if you would train yourself a cute assistant to help out during a shoot. Bondage models make GREAT bondage riggers. As the writer/producer/directer you have more than enough on your plate anyway. I think we would all rather see another hottie tightening the clamps and wielding the whip than you. Sorry, don't take it personally.

Well that's all I have for now.

--Gonzo

AvF: Not much response to your pussy spread comment, but personally, I like to see a female victim with her pussy open and spread apart with clamps. Number one, it's probably pretty painful, which is a good thing :) Number two, I agree with g-in-o in that it's humiliating for her to be all bound, naked and have her most private region opened up for all to see, and do with what they please! They just did that to Dynamite in Trick or Treat 2, as I mentioned in my review. Unfortunately, they took the clothespins off before they molested her pussy with the dildo, but it was still cool. I wish they had fucked her in that position! It was a perfect opportunity, and I'll bet that would have hurt even more, being raped with your pussy lips clamped apart. Well, maybe next time...

Gonzo: I thought you were making some good points, until you said you don't like gags. Don't like gags??? Man, gags are essential! At least, in my way of thinking. If you've got a girl held prisoner, you have to silence her, or at least muffle her screams while you do stuff to her. I could make a long dissertation about why gags are important, but I'll hold off and let others chime in if they wish.

Also, I think Dan Hawke does a great job on camera. He says all the right things I would say if I were in that spot, and he's just mean and dominating enough to be believable. Would I want to see a young cutie wielding the whip instead? No way! Young cuties should be the ones tied; they should not be the ones dishing out the punishment. It's unnatural in my book. Women are victims, men make the best villains. Now if you do a guy and his girlfriend torturing another girl (maybe she's loyal to her boyfriend or getting her revenge against the girl for some reason), I kinda like that scenario, but the man should still be the one calling the shots. I'm just an old-fashioned kind of guy, I guess. Old fashioned values. It's a theme that's worked for ages, so why change it?

I know that I am an oucast for not liking gags - That most folks will insist that if she is not gagged, then it's not bondage. And the truth is that in many cases (LK in Ballista3) the gag works. Can I assign homework here? Check out "She Screams" with Roxanne Hall and John Decker by London Video. Skip to the middle, where RH is hung upside down. That warbling/keening sound she is making is music to my ears. It's one heck of an intense scene. And I think that gagging her would tone down the intensity. And while we are here, how about John Decker as a villian? I just don't see the menacing attitude in DH. --Gonzo

I know what you mean about screaming being a turn on. I was watching one of the Insex shows late last night where this chick was tied to a huge sink and he was giving her electric shock. She had one of those ring gags on, which doesn't really muffle the sound, only makes it hard to form words. Anyway, she was wailing so loud that I was seriously worried that my neighbors were going to start knocking on my door to see what I doing to whoever I had locked up in my home! I had to turn the sound down a bit, but I was having a great time laughing at all the noise she was making.

But that sort of proves my point. Unless you're in some deserted warehouse or can be assured no one will hear her, you've just got to gag her to shut her up. Plus that, I love to hear muffled moans and screams through a gagged girl's mouth. It enhances the helplessness of her bondage. She can't move her hands, so she can't free herself. She can't even scream for help, because you've taken care of that part, too. She's totally at your mercy (evil grin).

Gonzo~I really like Roxanne Hall also...but it's a London video...how good can it be?

Alex Dane is one of my favorites who's starred in a few London videos, but I've learned to avoid London like the plague...unless you like weak acting and laughable torture scenarios. One's in which a whipping is applied with so little force that it couldn't even break through a sheet of tissue, or suspensions in which it's obvious wide strappings are used for comfort, or a pizza cutting wheel is rolled over the skin so lightly that it dosent even leave a mark, as a few examples. So even though I really think Alex Dane is HOT!, I've never seen her in any bondage vids because I know I'll just get frustrated.

Later.

I know how we all feel, and for the most part, that feeling is justified. I happen to feel that there are a few diamonds in the rough though, and She Screams is one of them. It's about a dude, John Decker, that gets off on hearing women scream. There are three segments. The first is a typical, boring scene where Nicolette is tied up and whipped. She manages to wake up and moan a bit near the end. The last scene is with Mila, who seems to feel that growling will turn us on. Neither of these are worth watching at all. But the middle scene has shelbee and Roxanne hall exploring a dungeon. John captures them both to a rotating platform. He is good an menacing and the takedown scene almost works. The good part comes a bit later when Roxanne is hung from her ankles, her hands are free. John canes her while holding a vibrater to her pussy. So to some extent, she might be having some sort of orgasm. The fact is that she goes apeshit. The best thing about London/Hom DVDs is that they are dirt cheap

http://www.fivestardvd.com/search_process.asp?string=she+screams&cat=1

For $10, The scene is worth it

Hollywood
I dig Alex Dane too. If you have not already seen it, check her out in

http://www.fivestardvd.com/item.asp?titleid=dvxnultradom

Again, most of the tape stinks, but Alex is pretty hot looking in that bodysuit, and she really tries to sell the scene. I like her screaming in this one too. Despite how funny looking Greta Carlson has become, she does seem to be willing to hit hard.

As an honorable mention, if you're gonna get these, you may as well also get

http://www.fivestardvd.com/item.asp?titleid=dvxnspeaknoevil
http://www.fivestardvd.com/item.asp?titleid=dvxncurseofmerlinsca

At this point, I think you have the most intensity you are ever going to get out of London/Hom

--Gonzo

P.S. My all time favorite screaming torture scene. Well shot, super hot actress, dramatic music, menacing villain. It's a rack scene with hot wax.

http://bondage.org/BondageVideos/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=5Y

If only ALL bondage acresses could sell a scene this well.

So kudos to Rick as well. As I said above, before he came along I was despairing we would never see a man tie up a woman on film again!!!

~Dan

As for your time warp video scenario ( I say time warp in reference to your catching of the actresses in their prime )maybe someday they CAN all be in one...with the continual advancment of computer generation. The one's mentioned and then some. There are a couple of mainstream's that have done B&D that I think would fit nicely into such a script. Nikki Dial, Kelly O'Dell to name just a couple.

I'm curious to your mention of Felicia though. Was she just thrown in as someone that fits the part or is there a B&D vid or two that she's been in that I don't know about. Felicia would be the perfect fit for any extreme video. She's got the perfect body, she's cute, and the fact that she only does scenes with women just cries out as someone for a gang rape scene.

Let us know.

Later.

Does anybody know why the HOM/London/LBO videos of "today" are women-on-women oriented?

Just out of curiosity (...) do you know what may lead a distributor, say Sunshine, to re-release this and not that : why did they release only a few of 80's HOM films (Special Request#1, Dr.Ruthless, the Bondage Classics series, what else) while at the same time they're releasing each and every video that was produced by London in the 1990's?

Rod

Hey to all,
I usually just troll this forum and have not posted much, but I'm really enjoying this sharing of ideas and tastes. In particular the fact that this forum exhibits little to none of the usual spamming/trolling/flaming that is seen on most forums. Probably this is why we are blessed with the presence of a few of the actual directors.

Dan-Hawke,
I want to take a moment to clarify a few comments regarding Dan's stuff. I bought 3 DH tapes used on ebay well over a year ago. I liked them, but for me they were real borderline as to whether they were keepers or not. I commented earlier based upon my opinion of those tapes (too lazy to go to the site and dig up which ones). Around New Years, I got curious and ordered some more on DVD as I am switching my whole collection to DVD. A few days later, I check out this forum and post. I comment on DH stuff I saw a while ago, half forgetting that I have new stuff on the way. Yesterday, I finally got DH25 Beauty bound and DH32 Bondage Rave.

The model in DH25 has that wonderful girl-next-door quality that we all know and love so much. While I found the the chair tie and the horse ride to be a bit dull, there is a scene in the middle where she is bound on her knees and begins to cry. THAT's what I am looking for, a real lady in distress. It's a well done scene that really grabs you. DH32 is an even better achievement. At the risk, nay certainty of sounding like I'm sucking up to Dan, this vid is a must see. Dan is still in the vid, but nearly as obtrusively as his others. Near the end, the model is given a bondage shower, with her hands tightly tied behind her back. Never seen anything like it. If only your vids were cheaper :(

AvF,
Felicia does a number of Bruce Seven bondage vids. She can take a heck of a beating. Of particular interest might be Felicia's Folly, in which I'm pretty sure she takes an inverted whipping (I like em too Ralphus).

Rod,
I'm gonna brag just a bit here. I was lucky enough to have a BDSM session with Star Chandler. This very subject came up. I think it is worth talking about for a moment because I think it touches upon this fake/real. Having never met me, Star asked if I would consider allowing another member of the house to take over the heavier whipping. The alternative was that I would have to keep it very light and easy, over the course of a few sessions, before she felt comfortable enough. You will notice that not only are most of the London/Hom tops women, but that they are all the same women - Star, Alexis Payne, Olivia Outre, Arianna. A porn star makes money off her body. Getting marked can really screw things up as you may have to postpone a shoot, or worse, explain a mark you didn't realize you had. Since, as you mentioned, London/Hom manage to sign a number of well know stars, I think it's easier for them to trust another women who they know is experienced and can be trusted.

I also was lucky enough to have a session with Lauren Haze, who is a sub with a gorgeous ass in the Bruce Seven vid, 'Crazy Times.' When I mentioned that I had seen her in this movie, she rolled her eyes and seemed to get a bit pissed off. Apparantly she got marked up by Bruce and his cronies, a lot more than she was led to expect, and could not work or see much of her boyfriend for a week as a result. If AvF does decide to check out Ultradom, you will see that Greta Carlson, quite incompetently, makes a nasty looking mark on Alex Dane's thigh. You can decide for yourself if this is a bug or a 'feature'.

I would guess that all bondage producers have to do some serious negotiation with their models. And there are two possible routes that can be taken. You can fake the sounds and the action as Rick does or you can be real, but extremely careful as DH does. To be totally honest, I really dig Rick's whipping scenes. I know the sounds are faked, but it sure makes for a lot more action and drama. You can count on a whipping scene in a ZFX video to be as intense as special effects can allow.

While I did like DH32, you may notice that the online descriptions tout that this has one of the most intense whipping scenes in any of DH's stuff. Sorry folks, but while the bondage and restaint is top notch, the whipping scenes are quite tame. Star Chandler, fed up with the crappy lighting of HOM, the lack of action and crappy rigging of LBO, set out to make her own line of videos. Check out Missy's whipping in Vicious Attack if you wanna see a beautiful blond get seriously worked over.

If anyone would like to post their list of intense whipping, I'd love to see it.

--Gonzo

Gonzo my man:

I'm pretty proud of the flogging in DH32. I think if the model is crying uncontrollable tears, real sweat is streaming from her armpits and snot is dripping from her nose -- that's the best I can do.

At least without marking the model for several days.

I may have some floggings a little harsher and I definitely have some that are softer. But this is probably in my 80th to 85th percentile.

So if this is a light flogging then you probably won't like any of my floggings.

Which is OK. Your the customer.

~Dan

I once met Felicia, who was touring strip clubs. This was before I discovered the Gimp board so I was not able to tell her that her name has come up a number of times as prime ZFX material (once even by Rick himself, as I recall). She did get a work out on some of the Bruce-7 films, (Bruce-7 films had insipid plots, but every so often something interesting would happen). Another Bruce-7 player I really liked was Carina Collins (sometimes called Caysee) she really seemed into taking a beating. I'm normally not that into portrails of consensual whippings, but she seemed to take things to another level. She also did a pretty insense girl/girl scene with Felicia in one of the (usually mundane) "Beyond Driven" films by Bruce-7. Felicia also did one of the "Violation of..." lesbo gang bang films. I had high hopes, but was not impressed.

A good whipping scene to watch out for: A movie called "The Punishment of Anne" from the mid-1970's. There are a number of interesting scenes, but the final torture then whipping scene is a real keeper. In it, "Anne" is whipped (in a scream filled scene that) actually quiets down at the end as she seems to be in a state of semi-or altered consiousness. It has to be seen to believed. The film has just come out on DVD with a new title "The Image" and is actually availiable on Amazon.com for around twenty dollars.

Dan Hawke: Your films look interesting on your web-site. I tend to go for a more fantasy "staged" scenario, but do enjoy a bit of reality based entertainment every now and then. Is there any plans to have your work distributed to adult stores? I know it would not be nearly as profitable, but there is a large segment of the audience out there to whom shipping presents difficulties.

Finally a poll question to the esteemed members of the board. If you had it in your power to film a long protracted sweat and scream filled flogging scene, (money being no object) who would you like to star in it? My vote: Brooke Burke from "Wild On". The very thought of it....

Good call on The Punishment of Anne. That's actually a real entertaining movie, period, about a submissive who gets put through the ringer by her mistress while a man watches, and later, helps out. The ending torture scene is one of the best mainstream whipping scenes of all time, plus there's torture with hot needles, too. As a bonus, the blonde leading lady is major cutie, to boot. I wouldn't have known about the title change, so that's one to look for, thanks.

Ralphus, I'm with you on signing for adult merchandise. Bleah. It feels like just one more little bit of persecution for the folks who like their vids a little off-center. We put up with it because we must, but jeez...

AvF: I'm firmly in the fantasy over reality camp. The more realistic a setting, the less I seem to care for it. I also don't like the consensual vids. I like resisting victims, mid control, and monster-movie nods. It's one of the things that first attracted me to Rick. Hotties being abused and used by aliens, plants, mad scientists and even a whacked-out teddy bear one time (Lisa's first appearance, I think). Very cool. And the last 2 episodes of Ballista have been some of his best fantasy work yet. I'm not so big on some of the more "reality" based vids, like the SOB flicks, personally.

Forbidden Video: I received my tape and DVDs, though it took about 2 weeks (I think) for them to arrive. This was a lot longer than the first order I placed, but this was also around the holidays, so that may have accounted for part of it. I caught the delivery guy on the second day. I liked Dr. Ruthless, very cool. The intruder failed for me. The ending felt weak, and the model just wasn't convincing. Black Market Bondage was a good watch, I liked it a lot. It is only 1 chapter, though! It didn't take advantage of the magic of DVD technology.

A little off-topic, but I'm looking for a good copy of the movie "Smoker." Not the recent, hacked-to-pieces re-release, but the original. Any of you video sellers have a copy? Mine is, well, old, but I really like that vid.

A belated best wishes for the new year to Ralphus, Rick, Mad Dog and all the rest 'a youse who have kept me company here over the past years. May 2003 see you happy, healthy, and successful.

Peace!

Iago

Now I make highlights tapes for myself (currently at 94 full 2-hour tapes full of edited scenes from tapes) and while there's lots of "action", I also include a bit of story or lead in to help set the mood. Stuff like the girls being stalked by their abductor before the actual attack begins. The Japanese are especially adept at showing such buildup; in fact, some of them devote nearly half the tape to building up the suspense of the situation, the fear of the girl being stalked, and the anticipation of the viewer as the villain gets closer and closer to his goal of grabbing the girl and doing whatever he pleases with her once she's in his clutches. Once he gets her, most people would consider this when real "good stuff" begins, like the stripping, the tying up and gagging, the rape, the torture, the humiliation, etc. And sure, that's what I would most likely include in my highlights.

But...I also include a lot of the foreplay, too. I like to see her living her everyday life, maybe fantasize about doing something to her, and then I like to see the villain peering into her window and plotting out a way to break into her home and attack her. Some would consider this boring. They want to get straight into the action. And sure, I can also see that reasoning, too. You turn on a tape, you want to see tits and ass and pain and suffering. But to me, it's more exciting to be slowly aroused, to be teased, and then you can enjoy that suffering even more once you get there. So I guess my question would be...would you prefer to watch an hour of constant action from the opening titles, and is the story just something you fast forward through to get there? After all, the classic HOM and Erotic Perversion loops didn't mess around with story, and they are considered by many to be some of the greatest and most revered bondage works ever released. Or...are you like me and think plot and buildup are important? I'd be curious to get people's opinions.

Aren't Bizarre-TriStar movies like Curiosity Excited The Kat or Tourist Trap the thing for you? To me, what makes Whitman so great is that he could produce the "videodrome" stuff in the unbelievable EP loops AND the funny, entertaining, bizarre "buildup" films aforementioned.

Lorelei is offering BondCon attendees a rare opportunity to do a custom photo or videoshoot with her (I suppose that a person doesn't actually have to be there) at a reasonable price for a custom project (companies usually charge $1000).
http://www.bedroombondage.com/bondage/new/bondconnyc.html
Surprisingly, I can't recall any discussions about the BondCon here, but it represents a great opportunity to see most of the top bondage models and producers. With 135 models currently attending, it also represents a great opportunity to arrange photo sessions for anybody who can save up some bucks before the convention. Dan Hawkes was at the last convention, but I don't see his name as either a sponsor or vendor for the upcoming BondCon in March.
http://www.bondconnyc.com/home.html

Re: Plots or not: It depends what I'm in the mood for watching and what I paid for it. I like to see the sequence of the woman being stalked, grabbed, bound and gagged, stripped, and manhandled. I'll sit still for some well-acted background material or even an overarching storyline. If it's badly acted, it's time to fast-forward. I'm guilty of watcing a whole movie on TV for a bondage scene that doesn't last much longer than a minute. However, my patience becomes a lot thinner if I've paid $60 for a bondage video/DVD. Anytime I pay for a bondage video, I want to get to the action fairly quickly. I don't want an hour of story or stalking. I've paid a fair amount of money for a very specialized product and that's what I want. I didn't buy the video because I expected great acting or a great story--I bought it because it looked as if it would have some scenes that would get me off. If I wanted any more than that, I'd go to the movies.

The director can park his artistic tendencies at the door because I'm not interested in anything other than the gal being groped against her will. Put a little plot around that and I won't mind, but let's not waste too much time on it. I don't have high expectations for bondage producers because there's no money for topnotch actors or great production values. There's no need for them to try to compete with mainstream Hollywood fare. Let's keep the focus on elements where Hollywood isn't going. I'm not trying to dissuade a director from stretching his creative muscles, but go the direct-to-video route instead of trying to bring me along on their ride with a partial bondage video.

Been awhile, many things...

build up to action or not?

Depends how well it's done, how effective it is and how long it is. Should probably be a length relative to how long the action is. The classic HOM and EP loops are all paced pretty darn well, some start off with the girl already bound, some have a little lead in that soon leads to her getting captured. But then they're all roughly 11 to 14 minute movies--or twice that long if you watch them half speed, which I usually do. (When the 8mm films were transferred to video, the projector was sped up to compensate for frame rate differences between 8mm and video, so they play somewhat faster on the video versions).

A longer movie can have longer lead in time, but I don't think it should be too long. If it's intented to be a B-movie with BD erotica in it somewhere, that's one thing, but if it's a BDSM or FF movie, and it's 60+ minutes, I'm thinking it should be getting to the action somewhere between 3 to 10 minutes. Personally, I'm not a big fan of trying to make a full length movie when the focus is porn. On a 60 to 90 minute tape, I'd rather see 2 to 3 separate episodes on it. One being something like...

1 to 5 minutes - establish girl is looking through someone's desk searching for something, she's obviously not supposed to be there. She finds what she's looking for, then hears a noise, hides the item on high bookshelf. two men come in, grab her, subdue her, tie hands behind her, question her, by 5 minute mark, some sexual oriented thing happens, as in her blouse is unbuttoned

5 to 22 minutes - her interrogation, remove blouse, feel her up, breast groping, remove bra, more rougher breast groping, clothspins, skirt removed, grope her some more...etc, lots of stuff including whipping or hard spanking, breast, ass and pussy slapping, total nudity, tight crotchrope, her obvious distress, humiliation, embarrassment, fear, and...

22 to 29 minutes - penetrated every which way, get rougher and meaner as time goes, climax near end, but even after, they still continue assaulting her, fade out

29 to 30 minutes - fade in, she's unconsious, but starts to come too, the men are gone. she, exhausted, goes to retrieve what she hid, from her reaction it's obviously not there, she sinks in chair, head in hands, looks like she's crying, fade out

On to another episode, new minimal plot, more heavy action. That would be my pref, to BDSM movie structure. 30 minutes or so focused on one scene/one girl, then another episode focused on another scene/another girl (or same girl). ZFX High Strung was kind of like that, tho I didn't care for Lisa's segment, but Brandy's was pretty good.

Lorelei and BondCon

Seems like a good deal for people living in or going to New York. Lorelei and John are pros, so doing a custom shoot with them would be a good learning experience for first timer photographer/videomakers. Price is reasonable. Wish they had it in L.A. sometime.

Real vs Fake

From reading the board, I guess people are in two camps on this (as to be expected). I prefer movies that are fantasy/fiction oriented, nonconsensual theme, as real looking as possible, but for the pain to be pretty much fake or at least well within what the model can handle. Pushing the envelope as far as what pain a producer puts a model through is not nearly as interesting to me as pushing the envelope of making a great--well acted, well shot (dv, decent lighting, sets, costuming, variety of good shots), good sound (dialog, music, sfx), well paced and edited, never a dull moment, nice surprises, attention to and well handled key moments, multiple episode--video would be.

Along this line, some of the lighter looking whipping scenes, like in Dan's vids, can actually be made to seem harder by mixing in louder whipping sounds in post (during editing for those who don't know what post means). Also Lashing Liz electro scene would have benefitted from added electric buzz sfx. Also adding some appropriate background music would help some too. Funny thing is, most people notice all the cool visual effects in movies, but never realize how much the quality of the sound adds to the movie experience -- even bondage movies. At least it could. Don't think I've ever seen a bondage movie with better than mediocre sound. Well, actually the sound in Brandy's episode in High Strung was one of the better ones I noticed. (or think I noticed, it's been awhile.)

Another thing that would help whipping scenes, real or fake, would be to slow them down, especially at the beginning. In Lashing Liz, Cheerleaders of Perilous U, and High Strung (rubber hose in this case) the whipping blows were all like within a second of each other. Not much time for the actress to register pain, and maybe sigh, cower, or wimper at moments inbetween. Also slowing it done would make each blow count more, and seem to hurt more possibly. Maybe start off with each blow being at least 2 seconds or more apart. At least in the beginning. Maybe get faster later, ending with the one second apart whipping. Just a suggestion.

As far as insex raising the bar, I don't know. I've seen some rm's on newgroups, and I've been fairly bored by them. Guess they're not for me. But they obviously have their fans. I agree with TBone that it's pretty easy to imagine what's going on is nonconsentual.

Dan Hawkes in his videos

Gonzo commented about Dan in his videos. Actually, Dan's physical presence in his videos doesn't bother me. But to be honest, I couldn't quite get past the persona he's using, and I'm not sure what it is. It may be something along the lines of even though he's playing not a nice guy, he sounds like a nice guy. I'm not sure if that's it though. But lines like "very nice, very nice" and "don't be nervous" could go. And maybe adding more menace to the tone might help. Some obvious meanness in the captor of a girl goes a long way. I wouldn't mind seeing Dan grope his girls rougher too.

If Dan does go into a more behind-the-camera director mode, I'd still prefer a male actor to victimize the girl, not another girl. Maybe sometimes, but girl on girl isn't my preference.

If you had it in your power to film a long protracted sweat and scream filled flogging scene, (money being no object) who would you like to star in it?

Jason Whitman and Raquel Welch (when she was in her prime in the 70s). Time traveling is allowed, isn't it?

Regarding Dan-Hawke
I think it safe to say that Dan is an expert at putting a girl in a tight, uncomfortable position and letting us enjoy her suffering. Frankly, I can think of a number of studios that would benefit GREATLY by checking out his work.

But I have to agree with Scribbler that the whipping scenes could use some work. Dan himself responded by talking about the model's reactions. I agree that the model's reactions were superb, but I don't agree that a good whipping scene is all about the model's reactions. Fact is I think you can get a lot more milage out of a scene while hurting the model less.

It's clear that first and foremost in Dan's mind is the model's safety, and as the director, that is EXACTLY as it should be. However, I think the tormentor to be an integral part of a whipping scene. There needs to be a malicious intent in order for the impression that the victim is in some kind of peril. Dan's care for the model's safety is clear, and so to my eye he has all the maliciousness of a hooded bunny.

Ok, a big hooded bunny, would really be MORE malicious, but you all take my point.

As I see it, there are a number of things one can do to creat the impression of a savage whipping.

1. You can find a model that can really take a beating. They are out there, the whippings in Redboard videos, despite their drawbacks (lack of any bondage) are all pretty hard core. But I like the girl next door thing you have going on with the models, so I would not try to go this way.

2. You can create the impression of a savage whipping by exagerating the force of the blow, by using paddles, slappers, and whips that don't hurt as much as you would think, by encouraging the model to roleplay and act.

3. You can fake it entirely by using things that won't hurt at all and using Rick-type special effects.

I'm big on using 2 and 3. If I live to be 100, I don't think I will ever get bored with Lisa Kinkaid's whipping in Ballista 2. And I bet she was never in as much pain as the girl in the bondage rave.

Let me ask Dan a question directly - are you making a drama, or a documentary?

--Gonzo

P.S. I almost forgot. While I have seen a number of vids from the old HOM days, I don't really have any of them. I would really like to get a good print of 'Curiosity Excited the Kat' and 'Tourist Trap'. Where is the best place to find these, and is there any chance that they may ever be released on DVD?

I mentioned some time ago the online seller from where I purchased VHS copies in excellent condition for both movies : smvideo.com. They now cost $19 each. If ever the Sunshine company would release them on DVD : they released several HOM videos(Bondage Classics, Special Request), and one of the Bondage Classics dvd contains the trailers for one (or a couple of ) Cole / Whitman movies...

1) No one has bought, or even rented the DVD.

If not, I ask you why not? It's one of ZFX's best in years. Haven't you been looking at all the pics that have been posted here?

2) Some of you saw it, but no one wants to say anything.

And again I ask, why not? Do the same 9 people have to do all the work around here? I understand there are lurkers among us, but I make this challenge unto you. Come forward and be recognized! You don't have to make a long post, but just say something. Say what you like (or don't like) about whatever tapes you've seen lately. You're under the cloak of anonymity when you post here anyway, and besides, we're all like-minded perverts who should be able to speak about our bizarre likes without the fear of ridicule in this place. So let's talk it up, guys. Don't wait for someone else to make the first move. This board is only as good as the people who post here. This site belongs to all of you, so you can either let it die or you can contribute, it's really your choice. So I'm sounding the pervert call NOW! Let's see who's brave enough to answer :)

Say Hi to Brooke!

I agree with what you said about this forum being devoted primarily to ZFX tapes, but frankly, the bondage and torture in ZFX tapes do not turn me on (what can I say, different strokes for different folks). Why then do I read the forum so frequently? Well, its a damn good forum, and there is one element of ZFX tapes that does turn me on -- the simulated rape scenes. Yeah, that stuff turns me on like nobody's business.

Bondage does turns me on, but only if the purpose is to restrain the actress for the good ole in and out. But bondage, simply for bondage's sake, simply does not get a rise out of my willie. And I have no idea why the simulated rape turns me on, but the bondage and torture doesn't, but that's the way it is.

So, I feel somewhat out of place here since I am really only "interested" in one narrow topic of discussion, that seems to be secondary to the primary emphasis of ZFX tapes on torture and bondage. But if the readers would like some comments from one whose only interest is in the simulated rape aspects of a film, I am more than happy to share.

I own SOB5, but I haven't purchased SOB6 because I am not sure that I will like it. Your review said that there were two simulated rape scenes, but that the second didn't have any penile close-ups. A simulated rape scene is not going to get my rocks off unless I see the penis (or a reasonable facsimilie thereof, realistically portrayed as such) entering the vagina and exiting and entering again and so on and on and on for at least twenty seconds, preferably more. It doesn't have to be a close up where all you can see is the penis and the vagina. In fact, I prefer a shot from above that shows at least part of the actresses legs and stomach, if not her breasts and face as well. But the viewer must be able to clearly see the penis going in and out again and again.

The simulated rape sceen in SOB5 where the blond is tied to a bed is good, but it doesn't quite get my rocks off because the shots of the in and out are too brief, and the camera angle doesn't show it well enough. Also, you can't hear the actress screaming because she is giving simulated oral to two other guys during the in and out. I like it when guys take turns, not so much when they do one at each end because the guy in her mouth detracts from the intensity of the guy in her vagina. And there is something sacred about entering the vagina, so in a simulated rape scene, I want to see the actresses attention focused solely on what is going on down there. And I want to be able to hear the screams and protests. And the protests better be convincing, or else I don't see the point in it.

So, that brings me to the other simulated rape scene, the one with Lisa, that scene sounded like she was drugged up, which I took to mean that she was not struggling or screaming too much during the scene. She certainly did not struggle or scream that much in Forced Entry. That scene, which is often touted as ZFX's best simulated rape scene, didn't really do all that much for me, but it could have, if she had screamed and struggled more, and if the in and out had been shown a little more clearly.

Now, Dark Offering had a simulated rape scene that I thought was much better than either SOB5 or Forced Entry. In Dark Offering, the bad guys held the actress down while the leader of the bad guys stuck his simulated penis in and out and out quite a number of times. I really liked the acting in that scene too. The actress had a ball gag in I think, but you could still hear her crying and screaming through the gag. And the intensity of her noise making reached a definate peak upon the moment of entry. Gotta love that. And lets not forget the moment, just before entry, where the leader of the bad guys pulls the cloak back and reveals his face to the actress. His expression is phenominal. Its the combination of the shit-ass grin of a guy who knows he's getting laid with the malice of a guy who enjoys it that much more if it is forced. And upon seeing him leering at her, the actress pulls away and screams and struggles that much more, because there is something about the sheer enjoyment that he is taking in what he is doing to her that is even more repulsive than the act itself. The ultimate pleasure for him derived from the ultimate humiliation for her.

I would buy SOB6 if it had the type of simulated rape scenes that got my rocks off. I often buy tapes just because they have one five minute scene. More often than not though, I am dissapointed because the scene either doesn't show the penetration I need to see, or because they have guys going at both ends, or because the penetration is all anal, with no vaginal, or because the actress doesn't scream, struggle and protest enough or she doesn't do it convincingly enough.

So, I have not purchased SOB6 because it doesn't sound like it will be the kind of tape that will get my rocks off. But, Ralphus, you have seen it. After reading this post, if you think that either of the simulated rape scenes in SOB6 are more like the scene in Dark Offering than the scenes I have discussed from SOB5 or Forced Entry, please let me know. I would definately buy it if it has the kind of scenes I am looking for. I do enjoy reading your reviews.

In closing, I would like to say that just because torture and bondage don't get my rocks off, that doesn't mean I can't appreciate that they would get other people's rocks off or that I don't enjoy reading about it. It is just that I don't have much to say about the torture and bondage elements. But I do have a lot to say about the forced sex fantasy elements, so if the readers want to hear about that part, I would be happy to post more often. And, at the risk of repeating what I said at the beginning of this post, you have got one hell of a good site here.

If the build up is done well, then by the time I get to the action, I will be into the fantasy (i.e., suspension of disbelief) and in the fantasy, I will believe that the actress is really some sweet innocent thing (or some sassy thing that needs to be taught a lesson, as the case may be) instead of a porn star. And getting to the fantasy like that is for me what these tapes are all about.

So, when I am buying a tape, I definately like to see some plot/build-up because I can always make a highlights tape or use the fast forward button if I just want a quick action shot.

After just lurking around on this board from the Netherlands for a few months now, I finally have some questions that I think are valid enough to post here:

1: Any chance of Rick and Dan ever teaming up? Maybe gueststar in eachothers tapes?Or actresses gueststarring???

2: Any other Dutch or Belgian reading or posting here that would be interested in swapping tapes??? So far, I feel like I'm the only real ZFX fan in Holland..........

agememnon

I understand your reluctance to check out SOB-6 based on my review of the contents of what's in the tape. As anybody who reads my reviews on a regular basis might guess, I'm a torture fan, and the SOB series is certainly torture-heavy. For that reason, it's probably my favorite of all of ZFX's continuing stories. But I also like rape scenes a lot, and sometimes they are the highlight of a particular video for me, so it's hard to say I'm just one way or the other. Generally, a tape will get a higher grade from me if the particular actress who stars in it rings my bell.

The reason I liked the rape scene in Forced Entry so much was because the victim was Lisa Kinkaid, who does it for me looks-wise and performance-wise, and because it was a bondage rape in my favorite bondage position, the spread-eagle bed-tie. When I think back to that scene, do I remember screams from her while it was happening? No, but I do remember her pretty face with the sponge tied in her mouth as a gag. I'd have to go back and check if there was much moaning or screaming, but I do know that the scene worked for me big time as it was. But I do agree, muffled cries and moans, if done convincingly, will improve any scene, whether it be a rape scene, general bondage scene or torture scene. So will the combination of threatening dialogue from the villain and scared weeping from the victim.

BTW, I think a lot of people share your feelings about only liking the rape aspects of ZFX videos. I think you'll see a lot of people mention they don't care for the torture in Rick's tapes. Iago just mentioned he wasn't so hot for the SOB series, for instance. On the other hand, one of our former regular posters, Damien (whatever happened to you?) much preferred torture to rape in his videos. One of the reasons why ZFX vids appeal to such a wide audience is because often Rick gives us something for everyone, both rape scenes and torture, as well as the "weird shit" for the fantasy fans.

Of the two rape scenes in SOB-6, the one you would probably appreciate more is Lisa's sequence. There were lots of simulated penis entry shots. Lisa is drugged up and gagged but still makes some noise, even if it's not real loud. As noted, there is no simulated penis in Elaine's scene but she's still very loud and vocal. It doesn't sound like either one is the Ideal Rape Scene in your book, but I liked both of them. It's really up to you if you want to take a chance.

And yeah, when I edit my scenes, I edit them carefully and remove anything that might distract from the flow of the scene or that stands out as distracting for me. IMO, I have improved the pacing and rhythm of many of the original scenes in some videos. I take out shots that are repetitive or don't work for me, and when a scene starts to bore me, I'll shorten the length of the foreplay and get to the money shot quicker. I make these tapes for my own personal use, so they are custom-edited to suit my likes. I recently added one of Dan Hawke's scenes with a gorgeous blonde cutie named Rhiannon, and included almost the entire 22-minute segment, but still edited out about 8 seconds when Dan turns her around to expose the huge tattoo on her back! Hey, it's a turnoff, so I trimmed it out.

Flying Dutchman: Thanks for coming out of the lurking closet, and we hope to see you post more. Dan Hawke posted here a while back saying he doubted that a collaboration was in the future, and that they both have different approaches to the subject anyway. Scroll down and read his January 9 post for more.

Thanks to all who post here. We wouldn't have such a good forum without your support.

Ralphus however mentioned the long time poster Damien, who lives in the Netherlands. Unfortunately it's been quite some time since we've heard from brother Damien. I think he did himself some harm, as one of the last postings he made was to say he had watched something like 8 hours straight, or something like that, of ZFX stuff. Then a little while later he posted that he was in the hospital for sometime.

Maybe if we all channel our energies, we can get brother Damien to resurface.

Let this be a lesson to us all...ZFX can be a good thing...in moderation.

SOB6 ~ You know me...always a day late. I'll end up getting it and posting about it when it's old news.

Later.

Hi folks:

It's been a while since I posted here, but I thought I would drop in and say a few words about various posts.

First I wanted to compliment RR on his post about build-up vs. getting to the action. His position is my position (as a viewer). However he managed to express these thoughts in a very lucid fashion. I won't reiterate any of the points he made as they are far too well expressed in his own January 18th post. Kudos to RR for hitting the nail on the head!

Gonzo asked me about the effect I was looking to create in my videos. In his post of Jan 20th he asked me directly; "...are you making a drama, or a documentary?"

And I guess to some degree I am trying to capture elements of both. Basically I am trying to create the feel of the old Whitman HOM loops and his work in the punished series. I want to create a lightly pencilled outline of a non-consensual plotline while having very "real" bondage and torment.

Early on I demanded that every moment be real. I have moved to a position where if something can be faked and not be noticable, I will do it. As to flogging though, I would prefer a lighter real flogging to a fake one. To me personally, nothing looks worse than a fake flogging.

To me a fake flogging looks incredibly bad and takes me right out of the fantasy. I can tell real marks from the make up, I can tell by the weight of the material passing through the air and the obvious weight (or lack of it) as it strikes a model's body. I find no flogging preferable to a fake flogging.

Of course in the realm of flogging, different models can handle this very, very differently. As time goes on I tend to not do the flogging at all unless the model can handle a sufficiently intense flogging so it appears real. However, as Scribbler suggested in his last post, I should definitely consider some post production tricks to enhance whatever intensity there is to start with. The trouble is, I really need to clone myself as I spend an amazing amount of time on post production as it is.

Moving on to my personna... As I mentioned my ideal is the old HOM loops and the Punished series.

However I can't project that great old Whitman personna. He was able to project that malevolent presence and have it come off kind of natural. For me, I couldn't manage that. If I went that route I would come off over the top. I know some of you like that effect, but it's not my goal.

Realizing this I looked at some other, more natural personnas. For instance, Jay Edwards sounds pretty calm and reasonable for the most part in his vids and it seems to work. The idea of a very reasonable fellow just calmly going about his business of tying up and abusing women seems to allow for a callous sort of interpretation that I think is appealing.

However due to all of the hats I wear at a shoot, rigger, videographer, photographer, director, peformer it is hard to keep much continuity in my performance (such as it is). Sometimes it clicks during a shoot and sometimes it's a struggle.

So I plan on moving more behind the camera. But don't worry, the fantasies I want to capture are very much male dominant fantasies. My "replacement" is a tall dominant man who I hope will be able to project a more menacing personna. He knows fundamental rigging as well and I will be working with him to enhance this skill.

From being behind the camera more consistently I hope to get better video (no more 2 degree camera moves!). Also I will have more attention to devote to the performances and also the continuity. Also I think this will allow me to become more experimental in inventing new positions and scenarios -- using my extra energy.

I have high hopes that this will help to push the quality up on my productions. Once again, there's a lot of stuff in the pipeline already done in my "classic style".

Of course, from time to time I will still appear in front of the camera. You can't expect a guy to give up all the fun!

One last comment on finding the old HOM tapes like "Curiosity Excited the Kat". The first gen copies of these tapes all had gold or silver foil labels on the top of the case. These are still the best copies, even though they are quite old. After questioning every ebay seller I was able to find foil label copies of most of the Punished tapes. SmVideos which someone has mentioned, does have these tapes available. But they don't guarantee originals so you really have no idea what quality to expect. For myself, I have never gotten a "horrible" copy of anything from them, but I don't think I've ever gotten first gen there either.

As to why Sunshine offers only a small selection of the Bondage Classics tapes, I suspect it has to do with the fact that the original HOM company changed hands so often. It's possible that many different people might have a valid claim to copyrights of this material, making it tought to offer the entire product line for sale. ~Dan

I know it has been awhile since this was mentioned but I ordered some of the videos at forbidden video from their gimp sale(Hey wonder if Gimp know that they used his name). Very fast shipping, but that whole having to sign for the item is for the birds. I totally understand why they do it, but it is just not practical. I tracked the shipment online and it was to be delivered on a Friday, well I just happen to head home early from work, I got home at 1pm only to find out it had been delivered at 12:30, and the next delivery attempt was going to be on Mon at a time when I was at work. So I called up UPS and had them hold it and drove way out of my way to pick it up on mon. Like I said it just isnt practical, especially for the daytime workforce.

Steve, I dont know if you guys scimped on packing because you were just clearing them out, but I really think your product would benefit from containers. Send me an e-mail and we can chat some more about boxes and containers. Or maybe some interfaces for your DVD's, I have a degree in Multimedia and web design and a minor in Graphics. If you are interested we could work something out. My rates would are really reasonable. If you arent interested, that is fine as well.

Build up vs action - Lets face it 99% of you guys are into the action, otherwise you would be watching Hollywood type Movies.

Ralphus, my man keep up the great job, the board is looking better than ever. As far as SOB-6 goes, no I havent seen it, I lost my connection after quitting the Porno shop where most of the movies up here were shot, and with the high prices of ZFX videos I wont be getting it anytime soon. Maybe Rick should have a blow out sale, I know that it would go over great from this board.

Come on everybody dont be afraid of posting here, its the most legal fun you can have (at least for now). You can even post in your birthday suit. Besides where else can you get to talk to awesome people Like Dan Hawke, Rick Masters, Steve from Forbidden, and last but not least the most awesome of all MAD DOG, (hey Ralphus put my picture back up, who wants to see a naked chick) But I guess we all pale in comparison to the chance to have all your dirty little questions awnsered by the lovely Lisa Kinkaid.

Damien.....Hey I remember that guy, he was fun to mess with. Damien come back to us my son. All right I rambled on long enough.

I don't know about anyone else, but the idea of you posting in your birthday suit sort of makes me feel queasy.

And as far as putting your picture back on the board, hey, we're trying to attract readers, not repel them! :)

However I can't project that great old Whitman personna. Don't feel bad, neither could Whitman once he moved from silent 8mm loops to video with sound, his menacing personna went to hell when he failed to understand that silence can sometimes be golden. All I wanted him to do was shut the hell up and have some fun with the bound gals at his disposal. He was a lot more menacing when I didn't have to listen to his dull series of explanations for what he was doing or going to do.

Lyndon/HOM/Sunshine

I don't really know how many times HOM changed hands. I thought it was only once, when it was sold to Lyndon, and then Barb and company started California Star. As far as I know, Lyndon owns all the HOM stuff now. Sunshine I think is the name Lyndon uses when they distribute vids and DVDs through other resellers. This is what I think; I could be wrong.

As to why only some HOM is available on DVD, it's anybody's guess. The price is right though, as most BC DVDs are $15, the one most recent DVD release is $25.

Whitman persona

Yeah, I agree that some of the coolness of the shorter HOM and EP 8mm loops was lost when he made longform VHS vids with sound (or shot on film with sound). If they'd have done short talkies (like the silent loops or punished series but with sound) I think the movies would have been better. The editing dragged too on the longer video movies. I don't have as big a problem with Whitman talking as RR seems to, but yeah, he was better as a silent film villain.

Basically I am trying to create the feel of the old Whitman HOM loops and his work in the punished series. I want to create a lightly pencilled outline of a non-consensual plotline while having very "real" bondage and torment.

Sounds ideal to me (especially if you add the penetration of the EP loops)! Plus using the punished series format of 5 or so short episodes to fill up a tape or DVD, as opposed to a one model long movie (or 3 half hour episodes like I mentioned before). And keeping the villain around; some of the punished episodes only shot the girl in various bondage positions; they're not as good as when the villain's there to mess with her while she's bound. And just, for the heck of it, I'd recommend shooting one series without sound for nostalgia's sake, editing it as tight as the old HOM loops and see how close you can get! Even having similar HOM type title cards to start each loop. Maybe you can fool people into thinking they're long lost HOM loops. Instead of a music soundtrack, you could use a running 8mm projector sound throughout. It'd be just like the early 70s!

ZFX

SOB-6? Haven't seen it. Last ZFX I saw was High Strung. Liked Brandy's scene, though some of the time I was wishing she wouldn't struggle so much so I could get better looks at her. She's pretty spunky in this, doesn't show much fear except in the electro scene. (Am curious as to why the extension cord was taped in her mouth only, and not in her hole, or any leads attached to nipples.) The Lisa scene did little for me. So it was half a good vid. Ralphus review is pretty accurate.

What packaging are you reffering to? Our videos come in black cases with shrink wrap, and we are just now getting full box art/cases for our DVD's - Within 3-4 months all of our titles will be on DVD with full cover art/boxes, etc.

As for VHS, we have never had any retail distribution, so we never had the need for that, BUT we are searching for someone to do some cool box art for us for them as we have a few distributors/stores interested in our line. If you can do VHS box art, email me and we will talk about it.

Our 1st two new DVD's should be here by next week. All of our DVD's are now replicated on real DVD's - the silver one's so there will be no compatibility problems. "Coma Ward" and "Call Girl Blues" is 1st. Trick Or Treat II and Open House will be here within 3-4 weeks max. Then the rest of them after that.

As far as signing for deliveries..there are numerous reasons we require this. The MAIN two are #1. LEGAL - If an underage person takes delivery, the shipper of Adult material could be in big trouble. #2.In this line of work you get a lot of people who order an item, take delivery and then call their credit card company claiming they never recieved the item when they did. Then the card company deducts this money plus a $25 fee from the shippers acct. Without a signature this used to happen 3-4 times a week to us. WIth a signature, if someone tries this we just forward their proof of delivery and we are covered. With a signature, there is no doubt about delivery.

Ralphus, I just emailed you about your PW. Thanks

Steve

Anticipation. Powerful stuff. Reminds me of a line from Rocky Horror Picture Show: "I see you quiver with antici..... [Say it!] ....pation!" Tim Curry, gotta love him.

Anyway, that scene in SOB5 will make a good build-up scene to be combined with the matress rape sceen from SOB 6 in a highlight tape.

As for Forced Entry, I did think it was a good scene, just not the best one I have seen. Probably it was built up too big in my mind, since I had read a lot of reviews about it, adn a lot of people said it was an awesome scene. So, my excectations might have been too high. Had I just come across it by accident, I would have probably been stoked about it.

One thing though about that Forced Entry seen that would have been easy to do and would have made it much more enjoyable for me . . . wait, I want to do another post on that one because I want to make sure Rick sees it maybe he can do it next time . . .

Cheers!

In Forced Entry, the perp seemed to be puting his body over the actress so the viewer couldn't see as much of her struggling body. Although this is the position I like to be in when having sex, in a video, the perp's body covers up the actresses body. In Dark Obsession, I could see the penetration scene from above and that angle of viewing is my favorite because I think a female body looks better from that "frontal" shot. In Forced Entry, most of the penetration shots were taken from the foot of the bed, kind of like an "upskirt" shot. For some inexplicable reason, that camera angle doesn't do much for me.

Perhaps it is because you don't see enough of the actresses beautiful body, and I like to see her body being penetrated, not just the pussy. Other opinions may differ, of course, but I am interested in your videos mainly for the forced sex fantasy aspects, and I would REALLY appreciate more bed tied spread eagle scenes with some camera angles from above, like in Dark Offering. Not saying that the whole scene needs to be shot from that angle, but a good thirty seconds from that angle will make me a happy camper! Of course more would be better . . . But I know you got lots of perverted customers to satisfy, and we all have slightly different tastes. Take care, and thanks for doing what you do.

I'm still depressed that I never got Black Market Bondage from Steve. I know the stupid tracking info says it was signed for, but I didn't sign for it cause I wasn't even home plus they never ask for a signature cause of the waiver, they always just dump it in front. One fool dumped a scanner I ordered under my placemat!! It was so dumb, the placemat only covered a portion of it, it made it stick out even worse. duh... I live in a pretty safe/gated community so no one steals stuff if its left in front. By the way, ZFX's Rick doesn't require signatures now does he?

With such a fucked up "PC" attitude where I work, a place like this forum, where we can discuss things freely is a welcome relief.

But working in an office where mere possession of nudie photos on company property could get you in serious hot water gives me a lot of sympathy for one of Steve at Forbidden's reasons for requiring the signature. One of the things he said that it was to prevent kids from getting their hands on his tapes. Apart from the other reasons, that seems like a pretty good reason, especially in today's political climate.

So, if the signature requirement will make Steve feel more insulated from potential lawsuits from the uptight people of this world that seem compelled to foist their Victorian standard of decency on all us good, decent perverts, then I am not going to complain too much about having to sign. Not as long as he keeps turning out movies like Trick or Treat II.

I thought that was Forbidden's best effort yet. Ralphus wrote an excellent review (which is why I bought the tape) so I won't repeat what he said, though I would like to add a few additional comments on the forced sex fantasy aspects of this film.

Dynamite was Dynamite. I agree with Ralphus that in the beginning, she didn't struggle or cry much at all. Actually I fast forwarded from the point when they initially stripped her to the point when they bound her. That supposed "rape" scene in the beginning just looked like consensual sex to me. I don't want to see that consensual sex stuff because it makes it more difficult for me to be able to "believe" the fantasy later on if I have previously seen the supposed rape victim having consensual sex with the supposed rapist. I didn't mind it too much though, cause I knew it was coming thanks to the review Ralphus wrote and I have a fast forward button. The rest of the tape was well worth the price for me.

Where things really got good from a forced sex fantasy aspect was when they took her gag off and asked her name for the fourty third time. That was when she finally broke down. She was sobbing and her breath was coming in gasps as she told them exactly what they wanted to know and begged and pleaded to be let go. She sounded like a little kid half way through a really hard bare-ass spanking and begging and pleading for it to end (and in case anyone is wondering, that is from the memory of my own childhood. I wouldn't EVER spank my own kid). Then she even shed what looked to be a real tear. For a few minutes there, she had me REALLY convinced. I can't say enough about how much I enjoyed her acting in that short scene.

I would have liked to have seen her sobbing and gasping that way during the rape scene. But I still enjoyed the rape scene very much. Especially the part where they flipped her on her back and one of them held her arms while her legs were still tied to the spreader bar. For me this is powerful imagery, partially bound and partially held down by a buddy, but completely restrained.

I think complete restraint is almost necessary for a good rape scene. If her arms are free, then she should be punching, clawing, slapping, etc. Conversely, if her legs are free, she should be kicking or squirming. Otherwise it just doesn't seem that "real." For me, nothing breaks the fantasy quicker than a pair of unrestrained limbs that aren't struggling mightily.

I imagine that it is more difficult to create scenes with that much kicking, clawing or squirming, but the fantasy can be maintained by completely restraining the actress. And I thought Trick or Treat II handled this well when the buddy held her arms.

I have my own way of grading movies like this. Instead of giving a letter grade, I use the hardness scale, and this movie gave me a real boner. :)

But then there's the signing thing. I placed my last order with a money order and the package still required a signature. Luckily I guess the delivery person decided to ignore the instructions and leave it anyway. Unlike you, I am not going to miss or take time out from work to receive or pick up a package. This is for entertainment and if I gotta go through the hassel I'll just have to find entertainment elsewhere.

If I do decide to p/u another DVD or two, I'll just have to inquire if this is something we can get around if going by money order (since that was his other reason...the stiffing of charge purchases). Maybe if Steve happens to be by the forum and see's this he can shed some light if paying by money order would be doable to get around the being present problem with signing.

Question for Ralphus. Unicoi seemed to speak very highly of Dynamites performance. I remembered you closing your review (unless I'm thinking of another review) by saying, it would have been interesting to see what Gauge could have done in the part (since Gauge was orignally scheduled for the part, subbed by Dynamite). I know Gauge is one of Ralphus' favorites but from what I've seen, she's not the greatest actress. I was just curious on that comment. Was it meant from just a physical point of view or do you see something in Gauge's acting abilities that I may be missing? To me she always seem flat and uninspired. Maybe passable if gagged throughout but please don't give her any dialog or lines to read.

Later.

Elaine Payton turns in one of the best ZFX performances ever in this reporters opinion. Check out the scene when she is mounted on the dildo and forced to ride it- the facial expressions are priceless! Revulsion, shame, disbelief-- very convincing. And this is before a volt of electricity has been added! Once the electro scene begins things really get physical- spasm for spasm, scream for scream, another great electric performance.

The films ZFX moment? (Those great small touches that bring it all home.) At one point while being shocked, one of the torturers mentions he thinks she likes it. To this she frantically shakes her head no to each of her captors- a desperate and futile act which fits the scene perfectly. As if it would matter to them- but anything to stop the shock would be tried. My only criticsisms is she is never fully stripped naked. I know there are two schools of though on this, and I am all for drawing it out, but if she is never fully stripped, the session stops just short of its destination. As for the cigarettes, too much of an ick factor for me to enjoy, but the scenes are again, well acted and I look forward to more of Elaine in SOB VII.

Lisa's scene is great, and there is potential for more as she is shot up with heroin. Thankfully she is naked nearly throughout (to review g-in-o's First Law: Lisa Kinkaid can not be naked enough.) Will we be seeing her begging a fuck for more heroin in VII? I can dream...

All in all, very enjoyable. V felt like a expansion (a good one)of the all time fave IV. SOB VI has a different feel but rates high.

AvF: You're right, Gauge isn't the greatest actress in the world, but I would have still preferred to see her in the role instead of Dynamite. The reason? Gauge rings my bell, Dynamite does not. I might have given TOT2 a higher grade if it had been Gauge receiving the bondage, rape and torture, because I simply like her looks better. If acting's a problem, well, that's why they invented duct tape! :) I do agree with Unicoi's comments about her convincing performance during the torture section of the tape. To me, that entire segment was excellent and the best part of the tape. The rest of the tape, particularly the first third, she was out performed and overmatched, acting-wise, by the two villains. They carried the tape until that point. But overall, it's one of the best I've seen from Forbidden Video, and I hope they make more tapes that incorporate torture as well as rape.

Signing for tapes: I would think that if you e-mailed Steve and explained your situation, he might work it out so you don't have to sign. If it comes down to that being the difference between ordering his tapes or not, I would think he would make an exception, if for no other reason than I'm sure he wants the business. I can't say this as a certainty, but I do know that I complained to him about my difficulties back when I was still ordering tapes, and he made sure I didn't have to sign after that. So it can be done, but again, Steve will have to decide this; I can't speak for him.

Starfleet: One word: Bookmark! :)

Attraction is a funny thing though. I don't know what it is about Dynamite that turns my crank, but she certainly does. More than Gauge, which is strange when I think about it.

I agree that the villians in Trick or Treat II were very entertaining, and played their parts well.

Link sharing~For about a year now I've been meaning to post a link that I've always found interesting. While I remember I'll finally take care of that now. It's a fetish update site, for lack of better way to describe it. It gives news and updates on sites and also list brand new sites as they show up. It's updated daily and shows the type of fetish the site or group caters to. They used to keep about three months worth but as more and more material becomes available they had to cut it to only the current month. When you first click on the link you'll think it's just a fetish top 100 listing. Give it a moment to load and the updats will show up underneath the top 100 box. Not a complete listing by any stretch but still have found interesting stuff from time to time.

http://www.darksites.net/Menu.htm

Check it out and see what you think.

Ralphus~Yeaugh I thought it had to be because of Gauge's looks.

Later.

Here's an update from Damien. He e-mailed me and said that he heard he was being mentioned on the board. Damien has been not well for a while, but he says that things really took a turn for the better lately. He doesn't have access to a private computer, so he doesn't get to read the board much, but he says hi and that he WILL be back!

So, in honor of our old friend, here's a pic by "DAMIAN". Okay, the spelling is slightly off, but who cares? :)

Ralphus - Nice drawing ! Speaking of pictures displayed recently, does somebody know the name of the (Erotic Perversion) actress who was pictured yesterday (or was it 2 days ago) ?...or the name of ANY girl featured the EP loops...Where are they now (sigh)

Among the files that you get is the asian electrotorture-videoclip. Mark it, and doubleclick on it or click on "download". When downloaded (you can see under "Traffic" when it's downloaded), you click on "play". You then also have it stored in your "My shared folder" and can open it from there. I have asked Ralphus to post the clip at this site, hopefully he is able to do that.

Starfleet: Those ape-drawings are available at the paysite www.bdsmartwork.com and are also possible to buy at www.dofantasy.com

Joanne S

I believe the drawings you are referring to are available at "dofantasy" and also "bdsmartwork." They are drawn by an artist they call "Cagri" at both of those sites, but they refer to him as "Kose" at the "drawingpalace." I've provided you with a direct link to buy the Planet of The Apes story, which they call "Lost in an Ape World," from dofantasy, but I believe they have the whole comic posted at bdsmartwork. Actually though, if you haven't been to any of these sites yet, I would recommend drawingpalace of the three. It doesn't have the Planet of the Apes story, but it is by far the best fantasy art site I've ever been to, and it also has some much better works from Cagri than his Planet of the apes story. All three sites are expensive, but well worth it if you are into REALLY well drawn scenes of incredibly hot women being abused in every, and I mean every way imaginable. I love a good ZFX flick, but I actually like artwork better than the real thing more often than not, because the artists have no limits, while Rick is hindered by the shitty thing called reality. A good artist is free to do what every he likes to his characters, and is only limited by his talent and imagination, and believe me when I say they are in no shortage of either at any of these sites.

Here is the direct link to the story: "Lost in an Ape World." http://www.dofantasy.com/english/USAFC08ApeWorld.htm The site itself is obviously just : http://www.dofantasy.com/ They only sell graphic novels and comics at dofantasy. Some are very good, but I think you get more bang for your buck by joining either http://www.bdsmartwork.com/home.htm or http://www.drawingpalace.com

bdsmartwork and dofantasy are obviously very closely related as much of the same material is at both sites, but drawingpalace is actually run by the same people, and the art there leans much more towards the rougher side, and in my opinion is the best of the three. Just in case you are interested, here is a link to Kose's preview page at drawingpalace. http://www.drawingpalace.com/cose/kose.htm

Hope this helps.

HOWIE

Damien~It's good to hear he's on the upswing. Hopefully he'll be joining us again soon. It's always good to have the regulars on board.

Joe Millionaire~I just tuned on the radio and caught the tail end of a story about one of the contestants in "Joe Millionaire" having a sorted past, which included appearances in some bondage video's. I didn't get a chance to hear which one it was though. Anyone else hear this story? I know some the contestants were pretty hot. Allison for one, if anyone's familiar with JM. Mellissa's pretty sweet looking too. I'd really be interested in finding out which one it is and which B&D video's she's done. Info anyone? Later.

Don't get to excited about the Joe Millionaire chick. The story actually broke a few days ago and Yahoo had it as one of their headlines. She did do some bondage flicks, but it was fully clothed as a cheerleader. I.E. Tame as hell, tie her up and let the camera sit on her for 10 minutes, then put her in a new position and watch her for another ten minutes bullshit, but with all her clothes on. Lets all say it together. Yaaawwwnnnn. zzzzzzzzzzz.

Here's a link to Yahoo's current story on it: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/eo/20030131/en_tv_eo/11217

HOWIE