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November 2003

Name: Rod

Ralphus - Thanks for posting today's pic. For years, I've been wondering what were those pics (the one you posted and similar ones). I've got the company's name at last! Can someone provide a little history ? Let me guess : the company was founded in the 70's, produced daring nonconsensual photography for a 10 year period, and is now longgone because of legal issues &/or (self)censorship etc, etc..the usual tragic story...

Aside from photo sets, would they also produce films/videos ? Thanks in advance...


Saturday, November 1st 2003 - 01:30:55 AM

Name: Iago

Damien, thanks for the stills. The vid looks interesting.

Buddha, The whole SHIB/Shortfuse/Jim Weathers/Bondagecafe things looks pretty intertwined, with links running back and forth and crossover material. I'm guessing they are all the same basic entity with different fronts to attract different crowds. I could be totally wrong about that, but that's how it looks to me.

Regarding the vanilla nature of bondagecafe, their stuff is pretty straight and concensual. The search continues for more intense rape/bondage action with chicks in shiny skintights...



Saturday, November 1st 2003 - 10:01:30 AM

Name: Black Rubber Mask

Iago, I guess it's history now, but I think Shortfuse briefly tried a bondage and hardcore NC sex site. I remember seeing sample images posted with text like "this is something new and could be risky but we're going for it". For whatever reasons (legal?) this seemed to stop pretty fast. Anyone else remember this? Or was I smoking something?

Most latex/rubber/PVC laced with sex that I've seen comes from somewhere in Europe, and the quality and appeal vary a whole lot. Not sure where they come from, but some images from Hustler's Taboo are sweet. Good to see the natural alternative to dildoes getting use.

Ralphus, thanks much for the RDF still. Never knew the company name. Some favorite photo series from them. Love to hear more if you the background.

Dan, the good review is richly deserved.

Saturday, November 1st 2003 - 10:38:47 AM

Name: MAV
Homepage URL: http://eros-ny.com/files/ny-nycgirls1-monica17.htm

Could this escort be Monica Moore from ZFX? The body looks like it could be and the face is close.

Saturday, November 1st 2003 - 08:48:49 PM

Name: Iago

Black Rubber Mask,

I never saw the hardcore stuff on shortfuse, but I tend to be sporadic with checking, mostly between relationships, really. Most of the women I've met are not at all into any of this stuff, so I bury it when I am with them. It's a fetish for me, not a life-or-death requirement. Still, I dream of the day when I might meet the future Mrs. Perv...Sigh. What's a guy to do?



Saturday, November 1st 2003 - 09:49:38 PM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/gimp2002/mar02.html

MAV: It could be. The face is very similar, the tits are the same, it could very well be her. Hard to tell without a ballgag and clothespins on her nipples :)

I wrote her an e-mail and asked her. We'll see if I get an answer. Either way, the woman in the pictures is damn hot. It's been about 4 years since Monica performed for ZFX and she had to be fairly young then, and this girl looks like she's in her 20s. It would be pretty exciting if it was her, huh?

RDF Company: I think Rod's description of them is pretty accurate. There was also some guy named Rick Masters who made a short post here about RDF on March 29, 2002 (link above). And I found an article about some of the various early bondage companies, including RDF, at this link:


I have a couple of RDF videos, one of which was boring S&M that I just scanned through, but the other one was pretty hot, which featured a very attractive woman captured, tied up, interrogated and burned with cigarettes on her tits. I think they even cut her with a knife at the end; I can't exactly remember, and my copy is on loan right now. Anyway, it was definitely rough stuff, harsher than HOM and about on par with the Erotic Perversion loops.

Here's a short description of RDF from The Bondage Buyer's Guide & Almanac, dated 1978:

"Flaggellation and torture, and other forms of sado-masochism are what R.D.F. Company is all about. Again, the bondage here is only a means to another end. Their films, photos, and artwork show almost exclusively the plight of young women who have been bound and restrained so that they can be subjected to a holocaust of torture."

Sounds like they had the right idea, and could get away with it back in the good old days. Man, if only we had 1970s freedoms combined with today's technology, just imagine the awesome entertainment we could be watching.

Saturday, November 1st 2003 - 10:22:48 PM

Name: Black Rubber Mask

Iago, know what you mean. Keeping looking -- there are some hardcore kinky sub females out there. Trust me on that.

MAV - thanks for sharing. ZFX talent or not, Monica is hot. Baby got back!

Sunday, November 2nd 2003 - 11:01:50 AM

Name: Per
E-mail address: kelderek@hotmail.com

Silent Buddha, you are correct: Jim Weathers was running Shortfuse together with Mr T some years ago. Now it looks like he is concentrating on BondageCafe, ShortFuse appears to be Mr T only these days.

Sunday, November 2nd 2003 - 11:20:49 AM

Name: Scribbler

You sure these pics are RDF. I always thought the bonk series pics were from overseas, not USA. There's one with a car in it with not a US license.

Sunday, November 2nd 2003 - 05:14:04 PM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html

Scribbler: I'm fairly positive the two pics of the girl hanging in bondage from the ceiling are from RDF. The one up there right now is the exact same photo that's shown in the aforementioned Bondage Buyer's Guide & Almanac, in the pages highlighting the R.D.F. Company. That's the only reason I knew it was from RDF. And at the bottom of the page it says "Photos & Artwork courtesy R.D.F. Company". So unless they got it from another source, it's probably theirs.

Sunday, November 2nd 2003 - 05:38:33 PM

Name: AvF
E-mail address: Hollywood Vampire

I've got one video by RDF and had their catalog. Was way too heavy for me back then (but we all evolve). Made the mistake of just getting one as I would have loved to see more (NOW) from what I remember form the catalog. I remember one title in particular, since it makes me think they were doing what EWP is doing nowdays, called "Hooker Punished for Hanging and Death". I remember they were US but the wording (or grammar) sometimes sounded otherwise.

If anyone can find some stuff by them floating around be sure to let us know.


Sunday, November 2nd 2003 - 10:01:35 PM

Name: Silent Buddha

Wow, I had totally forgotten that series and never knew who actually did them. But I have around 120 pictures from various series by RDF it looks like. I had always wondered if they had actually done any films or if it was all just scans from magazines. Damn, wish I could get a hold of some of those movies. :P Those picture scans were always a favorite of mine.

Thanks for the info on Jim Weathers. Glad I'm not totally losing my memory. :) Always loved their photography and the use of lingerie, but wished they would get a little more risque. Sigh, will just have to keep looking.


Sunday, November 2nd 2003 - 10:22:53 PM

Name: Rod

Thanks Ralphus for the couple of links. Is RDF a US company..For some reasons, I thought that the photo series - we're talking about the "bonk" series mentioned by Scribbler - were not shot in the US...From a French point of view (mine) they don't look American, nor British or French (and certainly not German), but don't ask me why. So....they look Dutch.

I really don't know...

The most important thing is to learn that videos from that company exist :-)

By the way, I think I'm getting it now : TAO, HOM, RDF, ZFX...the key to success is to use 3 letter names

Monday, November 3rd 2003 - 04:25:55 AM

Name: mr?
E-mail address: ?

long time poster first time reader.....ha ha..can someone post a link to the legendary Jap electro torture mpeg forementioned here?Also......I am sure this has been mentioned before..a cool could be scene for a ZFX film;the Gimp scene from Pulp Fiction done ZFX style.Lisa Kincaid & other actress in place of Ving & Bruce.The ending not nearly as happy as PF also.Has Filmmaker RM considered this at all? Just curious....

Monday, November 3rd 2003 - 11:08:22 AM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://www.videomayhem.com

Mr?: Thanks for finally posting. The Japanese electro-torture mpeg is not available online, as far as I know. Someone had posted it in the newsgroups. We still haven't found the exact movie that the mpeg came from, but both FA#17 and FA#562 from Video Mayhem (link above) have similar electric shock scenes. Larry from VM also recommended another prison movie called Noah Special: Prison Nightmare that has lots of female inmates tied down for rape, and everybody likes that, except the female inmates, of course :)

Monday, November 3rd 2003 - 12:52:29 PM

Name: Paulus

Do you recommend video mayhem? I'm curious about some of their tapes. Too bad no pictures..no clue what to get. maybe that prison one you mentioned.

Monday, November 3rd 2003 - 03:23:29 PM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://www.straythoughts.com

Paulus: If you're asking me, then yes, I definitely recommend Video Mayhem if you are looking for Japanese bondage vids. I've ordered from them for years and they have the largest collection of Asian stuff I've found. You have to realize that they are NOT factory originals, but the quality is generally quite good and I don't know where else to find most of the titles offered there otherwise.

Besides the lack of pictures, my only real problem with VM is that the descriptions of the tapes are often very vague and don't give you a lot of details to what you're getting. Sometimes you only get a few key words to decide if it's worth ordering or not. Compare that to a site like Stray Thoughts (link above) which gives you a full synopsis of the content within, a feature that I really like. Their Japanese section is not nearly as large, however.

My advice if you're ordering from either place is to write and ask what they would recommend. Larry at VM has always been very helpful in assisting me with picking out choice titles. They have quite a few hot tapes, and I've only seen just a small percentage of them.

Monday, November 3rd 2003 - 05:11:22 PM

Name: Dusty
Homepage URL: http://Question about Video Mayhem

Hi all,

I just recently placed an order with Video Mayhem. I ordered from them a couple of years ago and was pleased with my order, but do you happen to know if the tapes you receive from that site are VHS or DVDs? I happen to collect both, so it doesn't matter, but I couldn't find where it says which of the two they were? The last time I bought I know I got VHS, and how do you know if they even have in stock what you order from them?. I'm assuming that they have it in stock otherwise it wouldn't be on the site to begin with, but I wanted other's opinions who order from them frequently. Also, what's the shipping time once you order? I wrote Larry an email this morning, but I wanted to ask on here in case he's too busy to answer it......

Thanks in advance!

Big D

Monday, November 3rd 2003 - 05:42:04 PM

Name: AvF
E-mail address: Hollywood Vampire

Silent Buddha~I remember that RDF had about 50 or so videos but I don't remember them selling any stills (or magazines for that matter). If you have a bunch of stills I'm thinking they are from the videos as I don't remember anything other than videos in their catalog.

Were the still fairly torturous (and even bloody) in nature? And where did you find them?

Anyone else that has any info please share.


Monday, November 3rd 2003 - 10:19:18 PM

Name: Silent Buddha

AVF - Unfortunately they are on a CD buried somewhere in a box from when I last moved. But I believe the series was Bonk(xxx) where XXX was the number in that particular series. I suppose they could have been scans from the videos, but the pictures are exceptionally clear for video scans. Maybe they were promotional stills from the videos?

I don't remember them being particularly bloody but they were obviously from the 70's or 60's. And a few of them featured penetration, etc... The scenes and situations varied from...

Gambler owes money to bookies, they come to his house and tie up and rape his wife.

Medieval-looking torture room with a hooded guy and a female on a wooden horse.

Teacher? or just some pervert with some teen in his attic...

And various others. All stuff I would love to see on video.

Speaking of Japanese rape vids, they certainly do have a lot of them. When I was in Japan last winter, you couldn't go to a video shop and not see either x-rated or r-rated films featuring rape/bondage/humilation. It's just part of the mainstream culture. That and the whole groping women on trains thing. Prices vary quite wildly on them anywhere from 10 dollars for a DVD from a low quality manufacturer up to 60 dollars from the big name rape/bondage producers there.

If you ever get a chance to visit Japan, just head to Akihabara. That's the main electronics district in Tokyo. It's about the size of 10 square city blocks. It's filled with tons of electronics and computer stores. And between, in, and under every single one of them is a store advertising DVD movies which 90 percent of the time means Japanese porn. And approximately 1/4 to 1/2 of them will be rape/bondage/groping videos.


Monday, November 3rd 2003 - 10:50:04 PM

Name: chase
E-mail address: chase1959@yahoo.com

I like the currently posted present. I'd like to unwrap her myself.

Tuesday, November 4th 2003 - 07:45:30 PM

Name: Chase
E-mail address: chase1959@yahoo.com

Quoted from an earlier post:

"Larry from VM also recommended another prison movie called Noah Special: Prison Nightmare that has lots of female inmates tied down for rape, and everybody likes that..."

Sounds very promising. Well of course the inmates don't like it. Their resistance makes it even better. If they wanted it, we wouldn't have as much fun.

Tuesday, November 4th 2003 - 07:50:05 PM

Name: Bill

Baronorca:Video Mayhem has a video CRI-1 that has a couple of scenes that come pretty close to what you described as POV=Point of view of the perp. A girl is kidnapped and while held in a cell is raped a couple of times and each time the camera angle is that which is through her rapists eyes. I think there is one other video along those same lines but not sure which one it is. Could quite possibly be another in the CRI series.

Tuesday, November 4th 2003 - 11:09:18 PM

Name: Dave Darke
Homepage URL: http://davedarke.com


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Wednesday, November 5th 2003 - 06:21:16 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex

Okay, I haven't seen any particularly good bondage flix recently, so I thought I'd mention a couple of good "mainstream" flix/scenes, including one that's go to be amongst the best I have ever seen.

First, a short one. I have posted here before about taylor rain, she's a young cutie with a tight body. I saw her in one of the "Ass Drillers" vids recently, first scene on the tape, the camera lingers over her bound and gagged body. She's dressed all kinky and wearing long black gloves, a black collar, sitting in a chair, with a red ball gag in her mouth, and her hands handcuffed behind the chair. All too soon the two "villians" use a key to uncuff her, take out the gag, and fuck her like crazy. Lots of kinky anal and ass-to-mouth.

It's a nice scene in and of itself, cuz it's lots of hardcore sex, but two nice things are that it's taylor rain (always a hottie and kinky), and there are fetishy elements cuz you just saw this gorgeous girl in bondage, and she retains reminders like the gloves and the collar. A reasonably good one.

But let me tell you about the other one, omigod. Do you know skeeter kerkove films? Who is this guy, the husband of brigette kirkove or something? Anyway, a lot of these are pretty good. He's got some interacial ones, and some gangbangy flix. He usually introduces the scenes the same way, the girl prances around outdoors looking sexy, then she is in a room tied up (usually in chains, yum), then guys come in an untie her and fuck her. Seeing Aurora Snow in heavy bondage was a beautiful artwork. There is heavy ass fucking, and submissive elements - one of his favorite poses is for the girl to lie with her belly over the arm of a couch, her head hanging over the side, and her ass to the couch. The girl wears high heels and grabs her ankles and gets plugged while looking like she is tied up and submissive. Nice stuff, and I saw a still set recently where Brandon Irons is having the girls do the same thing - a nice trend.

And one of these skeeter flicks (sorry can't remember the name, but they're all good, check them out) after heavy ass fucking the guys cum ON the girl's asshole and scoop up the cum with a spoon and have the girls drink it. So, you got the picture now? Every skeeter flik I have seen so far has been a good one, and all of them have these kinky hard elements to them. So far, so good, right. But oh man, his flik BAIT No. 2 is un-fucking-believable and takes porn to new levels. The premise is simple - each girl does her prancing, and then appears in a room with skeeter who says something about how the girl is a young runaway who's father will be pissed if she gets pregnant. So he's gonna "take care of her" by making sure she only gets fucked in the ass, and then he chains them up ready for action. The fucker guys come in, untie her, and away they go.

But now, we need an aside about the girls, and this is getting too long so here comes a side-post.


Wednesday, November 5th 2003 - 09:45:18 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex

Okay, the girls of Bait # 2...

I think there are several levels of girls in porn films. For example, there are the

Skanks: Fuglies, sorry ladies, but you shouldn't be in porn, you give virtually none of us any wood, enuff said.

Not my Cuppas: These girls aren't ugly, but there's something about them which just isn't your taste, doesn't give you any wood. She might be too old (and why is it that most of the stills on the internet the bondage women are all 35 or 40? ugh) or maybe she's got huge tits, but you like the small ones. Or she's got tiny tits, and you like bigguns. etc etc., even in bondage, while you recognize that these women aren't ugly, and you're proud of them and glad they are doing porn, they just don't DO anything for you.

The Sluts: The vast majority of porn women. Think of someone like Belladonna. Yeah, maybe she's cute to some of us, but most people think she's OKAY but not necessarily ALL THAT. These women usually have nice sexy bodies, but there is something a little off. Maybe it's a great body, but just an okay face. Or maybe she's got a cute face, but then her body is a little chunky. Nevertheless, these are the engines of the porn industry. They work it, they do a good job with what they've got, and some of them are so downright slutty and sexy and hardcore that you get really nice wood.

The Young Sexy Sluts: Then there's this class of girls who you will remember fondly your whole life. Maybe it was Ginger Lynn in the 80s, Jenna Jameson (pre-bolt-on implants) in the 90s, or Jenna Haze or Taylor Rain now. These girls give you major wood. They're beautiful, adorable, young. And they perform all kinds of sexual acrobatics, major ass fucking or whatever, with a smile on their faces. These are porn's "stars". These are some of your favorites.

Still, there's something a little off about them. Yes, you look at them and marvel, how could someone that young and that beautiful do this stuff. But every once in a while there is a flash of something off-kilter, in the strangeness of a giggle, or the look in the eyes, where the girl's sluttiness shows through, and you sometimes find yourself wondering, God, I hope she wasn't abused when she was a young kid, there is something just a tiny bit "off" about her. Jenna Haze has that crazed look, that giggle. So does Taylor Rain, an almost desperate desire to please in her eyes. Aurora snow's got that lopsided I'm a little wacky smile. etc etc

Finally, there are the...

Hustler Barely Legal Girls: These girls really are too innocent looking for porn. They're just as cute as the Jennas and the Taylors, but even more so. They lack the crazed scent, but look so girl-next-door-ish it is unbelievable. When they show up in a Barely Legal film, it's like a work of art walking in the door, the perfect blend of wholesome, sweet, innocent, tight-boodied nutritious goodness.

Sadly, there is often a slight problem here, too. These girls usually lack the killer instinct of the sluts. Yes, they are impossibly perfectly beautiful and wide eyed and "they cannot be in porn!", but the porn they are in is usually tamer than the stuff you like. These girls do a straight missionary in a Barely Legal film, maybe a tiny bit of tastefully filmed anal or cum on the face, but still pretty tame by today's gonzo standards.

But guess what? In Bait No. 2, Skeeter introduces us to a brand new type of porn girl. Hold onto your seats


Wednesday, November 5th 2003 - 10:04:53 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex

Several of the girls in this BAIT NO> @ movie fall, in my opinion, into the Barely Legal - "I can't believe this girl is doing porn category". They are stunning, innocent, etc, all that innocent goodness. BUT--> they are creatures unlike any I have ever seen in porn.

Have you seen Belladonna deep throat a dick? Have you seen her (or someone comparable, maybe a Kacey) take a hard ass-pounding? Really sexy, right? Except...they have to work really hard to do all of this. Joey Silvera or Mark Wood is holding their nose and shoving his meat down their throats, and they're gagging and puking and tears are running down their eyes and their mascara is running so they look like racoons, and snot is clogging up their noses and saliva is everywhere. Or she's getting it in the ass, but grimacing and occasionally doing the one-handed reachbak to sort-of push his leg back a little, a sort of involuntary "oh, it feels so weird in my ass, hold on a minute, let me catch a breath" involuntary movement - you all know that movement, what I mean.

What I found unbelievable in the Skeeter film Bait 2 is that several of the girls are the barely legal height of innocence, but at the same time, perform all of the acrobatic sexual stunts of the kacey's or the belladonnas or the jennas in porn. For not the first time while watching porn I found myself asking, WHERE THE FUCK DO THEY FIND THESE GIRLS??? But never as vociferously ever before. Yes, your milage may vary, and if after this big lead up your mileage does vary, then my apologies to you for getting your expectations too high. And, who knows, I actually don't watch that much porn, I don't know a lot of the girls names, so maybe these girls are old hat to many of you and you're already bored with them, or have seen it all before.

whatever. all i can tell you is MY reaction to them, and my reaction was - never in the history of porn have I ever seen such an amazing combination of young innocent beautiful wild-eyedness, and effortless porno-acrobatic ability. One of the guys has this long, long thin snake of a cock, and the girl just repeatedly deep throats him effortlessly. How the fuck can she do that? When Belladonna who looks ten times luttier and less innocent has snot running from her nose and is straining like a madwoman to do this kind of thing? Or the Bait 2 girl is happily getting pounded deep in the ass with nary a complaint in sight, nothing to mar that young happy cheerleader innocence. Where the fuck did kerkove find these girls?

But that's not all! Remember, these girls are in a skeeter kerkove movie, which means that they each do their prancing scene, and then they're tied up, yes, YUMMMM. And, when they are untied and fucked, they're still submissively holding their high heels at their ankles or on their knees or being pile-driven etc, retaining all kinky "feel" to what's going on. Oh, oh, oh, and remember the premise again - they're not allowed to have regular sex or their dads will punish them, so it is all almost entirely anal (and oral and a2m). Combine all of this together, and it's truly a mindfucking masterpiece.

So, ymmv, and if you disagree, sorry. But for me, this was one of if not THE best porn fliks I have ever seen. If only the producers didn't feel that the laws made them untie the girls. To see these girls remain in bondage, mmm - excuse me, I've got to clean up, my head just exploded.


Wednesday, November 5th 2003 - 10:23:11 PM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html

zee-ef-ex: Wow, you must have chugged a whole pot of coffee or been really inspired to uncork three more voluminous posts tonight. I love to read all your comments on the various porn shows...it's too bad that the producers have to untie the girls (especially a cutie like Taylor Rain) before they are allowed to fuck them. That's such a tease! At least we got to see them tied up and gagged beforehand.

I also liked your descriptions of the porn girls. "Not My Cuppas"...brilliant. I may have to borrow that one and claim it for my own :)

Wednesday, November 5th 2003 - 10:58:09 PM

Name: Black Rubber Mask

zee-ef-ex, an afficionado of rough sex materials would do well to check out most anything by Max Hardcore, the Slap Happy series, or Bruce Seven's "Over the Edge" series (may he rest in peace). The first two make as their focus rough, humiliating sex, choking (including the good old hand-on-throat variety), slapping and verbal abuse that can get quite raw. Different sort of thing from bondage peril, but the pleading look in the eyes of the actresses is charmingly similar. I've noticed more choking in mainstream materials lately. "Kill Bill vol.1" had the lovely Uma Thurman with a chain wrapped tightly (if briefly) around her throat, wide eyes going red and watery, face discoloring. Quick shot, but wonderfully intense. (I'll wait for the DVD with 'pause' button ready.) "Pirates of the Carribean" had a brief chain around the neck scene. Fairly tame but the neck in question belonged to Keira Knightley, so it did make an impression. And the Showtime tv series "Dead Like Me" had a fairly intense strangling scene with Jasmine Guy -- veins bulging out, hands trying pull the ligature away or grab a weapon as the girl on her back chokes her to death.

Might this be a trend? :)

Thursday, November 6th 2003 - 04:16:24 AM

Name: chase
E-mail address: chase1959@yahoo.com

Regarding the pic "a little bondage rape never hurt anyone," I like it just fine. The girl is doable, she does not have the hard look of the streets yet (IMHO), but she should be face up next time. How else is her captor going to see the look in her eyes when he goes for the gold?

Thursday, November 6th 2003 - 05:22:59 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex

Really inspired, Ralphus. This was truly one of the best porn flix I have ever seen.

BR Mask, thanks but I am well familiar with Max Hardcore, Slap Happy, Bruce Seven etc. This Kerkove movie was a cut above. First, the girls are cuter and prettier than in just about any other porn flix. Second, they perform acrobatic sexual acts effortlessly. Sure, a Max Hardcore or other gonzo effort will turn me on sometimes, but it's sometimes hit and miss. I'm not really into disfiguring girls and having their garish lipstick smearing their faces and their mascara running while the tears flow. Choking etc, yeh, okay, all right, but, I like submission better any day of the week.

These girls in Bait 2 keep their cool. Some of you may go for a different style, fine. But I like seeing gorgeous innocent looking girls having just been unchained and with metal collars around their necks, on their knees or bent over a couch looking like they're tied up, acting really submissive, and then just taking dick in amazing ways with no more distress than if they were hanging out with their friends in their cheerleader outfits in the hallway of their school calmly discussing what classes they're taking this year. There is something unworldly about girls being so perfect looking and so perfectly submissive and so perfectly sexually adept, all in the same package. Belladonna deep throats some guy or does gaping ass, and you'd think she was a horse giving birth to a foal in an olympic event, when her scene is over it's like she has scaled an impossibly draining mountain.

These girls are better looking and better at sex. They perform the same acts as Belladonna, but they do so as though they were merely pushing a stray hair out of their face and twirling it around their fingers. The first thought I had watching this flik was, "These girls are space aliens, they cannot be human." The second thought was, "Man, if this is what the young girls are like coming of age today, DAMN why wasn't I born in 1985?"

So, Ralphus, inspired, ah, yes.


Thursday, November 6th 2003 - 09:52:25 PM

Name: Gonzo

Yo Z,

I'm intrigued. But could you hook a lazy GIMPer up with some links? Did some searches and got a ton of crap that I'm just too lazy to wade through.


Friday, November 7th 2003 - 11:03:18 AM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html

This latest edition of Name The Movie offers a threefold challenge to our possible winner. This time, in addition to naming the movie, you also have to name the two performers shown in this still. Whoever is fast enough to post with the correct answer wins our Grand Prize, which once again, is an entire evening with Lisa Kinkaid* complete with complimentary ropes, ballgag, whips and clothespins, and no restrictions whatsoever.

So remember, you have to be the first one to post with all three correct answers. This one's actually pretty easy, especially to the readers of this particular forum (that's a clue). So good luck and may the quickest man win!

*This offer void if Lisa Kinkaid is unavailable, which in all likelihood she will be. In other words, you don't have a hope in hell of actually collecting your prize, or of even meeting Lisa Kinkaid, let alone tying her up and doing unmentionable things to her body, you miserable pervert. But don't let that stop you from playing :)

Saturday, November 8th 2003 - 11:16:13 PM

Name: Iago

Okay, I'm probably going to just end up feeding this to someone else, but...

The two ladies are Lisa Kinkaid and Chandra Sweet, looks like. Chandra's face looks a little round, and Lisa's chest looks less full than in later videos, so I'm thinking it's a little older. Maybe War Pigs?

Sunday, November 9th 2003 - 08:20:28 AM

Name: sundance

Hi, I don't post oftern, but I just had to respond to the photo. I'm pretty sure that movie is Liza Cord, with Amy Van Allen getting it from Chandra. I might be wrong, but it's one of my favorite ZFX titles, and I remember lookng for more titles with Amy in them. I never found any. Wasn't there a trailer for sequel at the end of that film? What ever happended to Amy?

Sunday, November 9th 2003 - 10:06:04 AM

Name: Iago

Dang, I think he's right about Amy. What was I thinking?

Sunday, November 9th 2003 - 10:40:08 AM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html

Iago wrote: Dang, I think he's right about Amy. What was I thinking?

You were thinking she was Lisa :)

BTW, the actresses are correct, but no one so far has guessed the correct movie. Keep trying.

Sunday, November 9th 2003 - 02:21:41 PM

Name: Iago

The oh-so-cute Amy was in so few releases, that it shouldn't be too hard to narrow down. Lessee, we know it wasn't Liza Cord, one of my favorites. Her and Chandra were together in the cold metal series, another favorite, with Chandra roughing up Amy. But the gag looks wrong for that series. Maybe Incubus 2?

Sunday, November 9th 2003 - 03:37:27 PM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html

Nope, not Incubus 2. That should make it a bit easier. You're on the right track.

Sunday, November 9th 2003 - 04:05:42 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex


www.iafd.com is your friend. while there, in the search bar type in "bait 2" (without the quotation marks), put a dot in the radio button so that you are searching for a mobie title, and click search. It will be the first result, from mayhem films.

wild guess on the pic, doc bondage?


Sunday, November 9th 2003 - 10:59:13 PM

Name: Damien

A whole evening with Lisa? No restrictions whatsoever??? Hell...if that isn't worth a shot, I don't know what is! Maybe Incubus 1????

Sunday, November 9th 2003 - 11:51:10 PM

Name: Robert

I was just reviewing my video collection of ZFX movies with Amy Van Allen (I hope this is not cheating) and I believe I have located the source of the above image - Machine Head 2 also known as Cold Metal. If my answer is correct, could I possibly have an evening with that nubile young fox, Amy Van Allen? That is, assuming of course that she is available and unwilling ... er... I meant willing :-) She has always been one of my favorites! Ralphus, thanks for reminding me of this great movie. I had forgotten what hot scenes of Amy getting molested and tortured were in Cold Metal as well as in the sequel, Rage Against the Machine.

I also thought I might quickly mention a website which I enjoyed located at www.exclusivehell.com. It has some excellent images of sexy young girls being brutally attacked, tied up, and raped. It also has some images of torture such as showing a girl being cut in the breast, pussy, neck or leg with a broken bottle or knife. It also has images depicting girls being punched or knocked bloody -obviously faked, but quite brutal. Unfortunately, my computer is too messed up right now for me to check out videos, so I don't know how good the videos on this site are. I can't wait to join the site www.brutalviolence.com since it looks extremely hot and some members of the forum have liked it. However, I am waiting to get a new computer before joining any more sites.

Monday, November 10th 2003 - 01:24:04 AM

Name: Iago

Okay, this picture shows Chandra looking like she's wearing her "Dr. Lash" necklace. That'd be a machinehead movie, either 2 or 3. I don't remember Amy getting the close-up atention in 3, so I'll say 2.

Monday, November 10th 2003 - 04:47:40 AM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html

And we have a winner! It's Robert, who was the first to correctly identify the movie from the picture(s), Cold Metal from ZFX, of course. This was the first sequel to Machine Head, and I thought an improvement over that movie. It's part of an entertaining mad scientist-horny plant-sci-fi bondage trilogy with Penelope Pace, Lisa Kinkaid, Chandra Sweet and cult favorite Amy Van Allen, who people seem to remember wistfully. She was only in a handful of ZFX films before sadly disappearing. But my friend Hank Hobbs has supplied me with several caps from that film, and I'll be posting them in the days to come.

Robert: Amazingly, Lisa had agreed to participate in the no holds barred evening with the winner, but after you said you wanted Amy Van Allen instead, she withdrew and decided not to do it after all. And like I mentioned, Amy has disappeared, so you're out of luck, my friend. Tough break.

Monday, November 10th 2003 - 10:08:14 AM

Name: Robert

Lisa, I was only kidding. I would much prefer you to that skinny, flat-chested Amy. She's much too young for me anyway. You're my favorite. Won't you please reconsider????? No???? Lisa!!! I sure blew it this time. Damn, foiled again!!! >:-(

Monday, November 10th 2003 - 11:18:34 AM

Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com

Dave Darke,

I see you have Skythe on your samples page. I LOVE Skythe in breast bondage. I thought she was retired, though. Will you be having more of her?

Monday, November 10th 2003 - 11:40:20 AM

Name: Iago

Funny I'd blow that. Machine Head 2 and 3 are two of my favorite ZFX movies. As soon as I saw Chandra's necklace I had it. Ah, well. Lisa wouldn't have wanted to drive up here anyway. Too cold right now.



Monday, November 10th 2003 - 12:30:19 PM

Name: Dave Darke
Homepage URL: http://www.davedarke.com


Scythe will be appearing in one of my upcoming videos and yes, you will definitely be seeing more of her on my site. You won't believe what I did to her tits. Thanks for checking out my site.

Dave Darke

Monday, November 10th 2003 - 08:30:21 PM

Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com


When will you have your site ready for membership? Or maybe can you make some of the samples that are only avaiable in thumbnail version on that page avaiable in full version for your GIMP buddies?

I fell in serious lust with Skythe the first time I saw her on Insex - I love how her medium tits look tied up, and the look of earnest endurance she has in her eyes as she is being tormented.

Tuesday, November 11th 2003 - 10:06:59 AM

Name: Paulus

I never heard of Amy van allen before. she's really hot. its funny how occasionally I'll hear of a zfx vid I never heard of. just too many to choose from..

Tuesday, November 11th 2003 - 11:00:31 AM

Name: Iago

Paulus, if you want a good shot of Amy then get a copy of Liza Cord. She's featured all the way through it, in different types of torture and rape scenarios going from drugs to demonic possession. Chandra is good in it too. I really liked the "thin" Chandra in her later videos.

Failing Liza Cord, Amy was also very cute in Machine Head 2 and 3.



Tuesday, November 11th 2003 - 04:12:13 PM

Name: Iago

Okay, back to some oddball stuff for a minute: We talked a little about sites like Forbidden Pleasures with their sexy bondage stuff and neat costumes, but what about the "other white meat?" Superheroines and anime? So far the best superheroine sites I've found are Superheroine's Demise and Superheroine Central. They both have their good stuff to offer. The guy what does Demise has a new site, for "live-action anime." Me, I'm here drooling at the thought it will be a big full-of-sexily-dressed-chicks-having-trouble-with-tentacled-demons site, but so far the caps haven't quite shown that. Also, I don't care for the pricing. It looks expensive to me. Has anyone here seen any other promising sites along these lines?



Tuesday, November 11th 2003 - 04:17:14 PM

Name: nycdom30
E-mail address: normaldom@aol.com

Hi again

Anyone try and view the new clips on Ricks site? For some reason I don't get any sound on the new stuff but the old ones I do. I e-mailed Rick about, but was curious what you all have heard?

That Amy picture is from a great scene. I wish Rick did more straight rape stuff. Forced Entry remains very high on my list as all time favorite. If you have not seen the Amy scene above I recommend getting it.

I know Rick will make the movies he wants to make, what one of us wouldn't, but I for one would like to see more force and humiliation al la the strip search scene in SOB 6.

Of course at this point I would like to see any new material!

Tuesday, November 11th 2003 - 04:51:15 PM

Name: Dave Darke
Homepage URL: http://www.davedarke.com


The site will eventually be set up for paid membership.

In the meantime I am working on the release of my first video which will feature Seven. I hope to have this video released within the next few weeks.

The plan is to periodically rotate the free pics available on the site. So keep checking back and eventually you will get all the pics.

Dave Darke

Tuesday, November 11th 2003 - 08:20:39 PM

Name: Paulus

I just checked out the pictures on your site (davedark). I'm really impressed. I especially liked the breast bondage.

Wednesday, November 12th 2003 - 10:32:37 AM

Name: Dave Darke
Homepage URL: http://www.davedarke.com


Thanks for the nice words. I am also a big fan of breast bondage so you will definitely be seeing a lot of that on my site. Flogging is another one of my favorite pastimes, as you can probably tell from some of the pics.

I would like to take this opportunity to ask my fellow GIMPers for any suggestions about what they would most like to see on my site, and I will try to accomodate.

Dave Darke

Wednesday, November 12th 2003 - 08:43:44 PM

Name: Black Rubber Mask

Dave Darke, nice breast bondage shot in your videos page. Particularly like the shot of the blonde getting her breasts squeezed... gagged, on her knees, crotch-roped, breast-bound AND a little hands-on torment, almost perfect. Thanks, looking forward to more.

Thursday, November 13th 2003 - 02:28:55 AM

Name: Paulus

I just noticed you haven't written a review for that cold machine head 2 movie you are posting stills from :) It looks like a good one from the stills I've seen. I love mousetraps...very nice !

Friday, November 14th 2003 - 10:28:34 AM

Name: Pocoloko
E-mail address: pokoloko2@yahoo.com

Hi , nice and usefull place I wanna know if somebody knows if ZFX actress Chirstina Anderson make anothers movies than SOB 3, 4, 5 and the both 666, or any information about her.



Friday, November 14th 2003 - 12:23:27 PM

Name: Dave Darke
Homepage URL: http://www.davedarke.com

Black Rubber Mask,

I'm glad you like the pic. The scene is from my first video which I hope to be releasing within the next few weeks.

That one scene is particularly hot. I spent a good amount of time squeezing and smacking the model's bound tits. The model started drooling so much you can hear the sound of her drool hitting the floor.

Lots more to come.

Dave Darke

Friday, November 14th 2003 - 01:23:47 PM

Name: Paulus

SO what happened with extreme associates? Is it still going on? They still being prosecuted? It is so idiotic that the community standards are going to be based on prudes in pennsylvania. insane.

Friday, November 14th 2003 - 02:41:03 PM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://www.zfx-shockwavevideo.com/a6Int00IMAGES/MODELS/CHRISTINA.html

Pocoloko (or is it Pokoloko?): I think you named all five of Christina Anderson's ZFX appearances. She is a favorite of a lot of people, myself included, because she was pretty, blonde, had huge tits and was a helluva screamer. She was a Minnesota girl, I believe, and Rick shoots primarily in Florida. I recall Rick mentioning here that she was no longer around, so enjoy her old work because that's all we're going to get. Click the link above for some pics of her from ZFX's site.

Paulus: The Extreme Associates case hasn't come to trial yet; from what I hear, these things tend to drag out, so it may be early spring at the earliest.

Yeah, Cold Metal came out before I was writing the ZFX reviews on the internet, but it's a good one. And be sure to check out the sequel, Rage Against The Machine, which also featured an early appearance of another big-chested screamer, Monica Moore.

MAV: Official word from Rick Masters himself...and he oughta know...the escort shown in that link you posted is definitely not ZFX's Monica Moore. Too bad.

Friday, November 14th 2003 - 05:30:54 PM

Name: Black Rubber Mask

Dave Darke, tit torture and out-of-control drooling? Well you have my interest. Add a little neck bondage and you may have a sale. ;)

Friday, November 14th 2003 - 07:23:43 PM

Name: Bill Kerchein
E-mail address: b_n_d@boundanddelivered.com
Homepage URL: http://www.boundanddelivered.com

BND Newsletter 001 - Nov 2003

Welcome to the first edition of the BND Newsletter. We want to keep all of our customers informed of what's new at BND and what they can expect to see in the future. This is our way of making certain that each and every one of our customers knows about all of the exciting offers and products available through http://www.boundanddelivered.com

Items in this newsletter include:

  • Dan Hawke Membership Discounts
  • The Dan Hawke Video Club
  • About DVD Players
  • New bondage producer Dave Darke
  • Closing Comments

Dan Hawke Membership Discounts

For those of you who are fans of Dan Hawke, Dan not only offers his videos for sale through Bound & Delivered, but has his own membership website with tons of pix and rm files of current and future releases. Updated weekly, Dan's site (http://www.dan-hawke.com ) has been a staple on the web for several years

Not only do members get all of the benefits of Dan's site when they join, they also get discounts on videos and DVDs. That's right, Dan Hawke members get a 25% discount on all DVDs and videos offered through Bound & Delivered! This means that members of Dan's site pay only $37.50 per VHS or DVD!

This is a great offer brought to you by Dan Hawke and the bondage loving staff here at Bound & Delivered!

You must be a member of Dan's site to take advantage of this offer and you must have a current Dan Hawke site ID and Password. Members may purchase the videos through Dan's site or through B&D at this link http://www.dan-hawke.com/members/videos/hawke.htm

This is a great deal and an excellent value for your bondage dollar.

Dan Hawke Video Club

For those who want an even better deal, check out the latest offer idea from Dan, the "Dan Hawke Video Club". Those of you who have joined book or CD clubs in the past are already familiar with how this works.

Those who join the Video Club can purchase Dan's latest video release for the discount price of $24.95. As each new Dan Hawke video is released, it is automatically shipped to club members. Members have 10 days to decide if they want to keep the video, after which they must send payment of $24.95 or return the video with no charge except return postage. Club membership continues as long as the member continues to accept each new video release.

But don't worry! Members in good standing can rejoin the club at any time!

Find out all the details by visiting http://www.dan-hawke.com/vidclub.htm

This offer is for domestic US customers only. It is also limited to DVDs only. Which brings us to:

About DVD Players

The world is going digital, don't be left behind!

DVDs offer many benefits. As compared with VHS tapes. They are more durable, last longer, and allow for special and bonus features.

Dan's most recent videos have bonus features available only on the DVDs. For instance, Dan's latest video release, "DH45:Hard Pain For Shay," offers an additional short bonus scene and picture galleries with images taken during the shooting of the scenes.

But remember, not all DVD players are created alike. Make certain the DVD player you purchase will play DVD-R disks. This is the format we offer.

This is not a big problem since most new name brand players have this capability. However, it's best to make sure this format is supported if you are buying a new player. Also avoid off-brand and store brand products, as these "bargain basement" units may not have this capability.

Currently, quality name brand DVD players can purchased for about a $100. The few extra dollars to get a DVD-R capable player will be money well spent.

Coming Soon - First Video from Dave Darke

We are very pleased to welcome Dave Darke to the BND family of bondage video producers. Dave's first video will be released very soon, just in time for holiday gift giving!

Dave's first video will star the super buxom model formerly known as Seven (now re-christened "Petal Benson"). Fans of lovely large breasted blondes will certainly enjoy this first video from Dave Darke. We here at BND have seen some early footage from this great video and we are damn eager to see the rest.

So keep your eyes peeled for the release of this fine video. In the meantime visit "Dave Darke: The Darker Side of Bondage" at http://www.davedarke.com for some free sample pix and previews from this upcoming video release.

In Closing

BND is growing. Growth is good but sometimes difficult.

We want to reassure our customers that we are still dedicated to providing excellent customer service. We have been working hard to iron out any problems in the ordering process and rededicating ourselves to the motto "orders shipped within 2 business days."

We want all of our customers to be as happy with our service as they are with the fine collection of bondage video products we offer.

Stay tuned for more!!!

Bill Kerchein


Saturday, November 15th 2003 - 12:52:26 PM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ralphus44/DH2913.jpg

The new video club idea sounds great! Most of the posters here agree that Dan makes some excellent videos, but the $50 price tag is often too high to afford buying as many as we like. $24.95 for every new DVD is a very fair price, and basically cutting the price in half (after the initial membership fee) should give you more sales. That's an idea I'd like to see implemented from other bondage producers, as well.

BTW, I should also add that Dan's membership website is well worth investing in, especially if you like his work. I just finished up a month on Dan's site, and you would not believe the huge number of full-sized pictures and movie clips available there. It will take you weeks to grab them all. He just posted a whole new series of super-cutie Trinity A' Dell with her juicy tits all trussed up. I missed that, but click above for a teaser pic of Trinity suffering some clothespin torment in one my favorite Hawke titles, Lass and the Lash.

Saturday, November 15th 2003 - 06:13:35 PM

Name: Bill Kerchein
E-mail address: b_n_d@boundanddelivered.com
Homepage URL: http://www.boundanddelivered.com


Actually you get the first video when you spend the membership fee, so in essence, you get the latest Dan Hawke video for $24.95 -- basically meaning there is no real membership fee.

Bill Kerchein

Saturday, November 15th 2003 - 08:37:19 PM

Name: Reaver
E-mail address: nospam@nospam.com
Homepage URL: http://www.nospam


Spam on the Gimpsite...man this place has gone to hell.=(

Saturday, November 15th 2003 - 09:05:32 PM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html

Reaver: On the contrary, I don't think Bill's post is spam at all. Dan Hawke has been a most welcome contributor to this forum in the past and I don't have any problem with anyone promoting his work, as long as he and his colleagues continue to join in the discussions and don't simply use this board as a mere advertising tool. While an entire newsletter might seem a bit excessive, I do think the news about the video club is especially useful to the other readers of the board.

What does anyone else think? This forum belongs to you, so sound off.

Saturday, November 15th 2003 - 09:39:46 PM

Name: Baronorca
E-mail address: baronorca@msn.com

Hmm, DanHawke viddies at a reduced price, that's not spam, that's worthy news.


Sunday, November 16th 2003 - 08:40:53 AM

Name: the_rev_zetmen

I agree, this isn't spam, it's good news.

Sunday, November 16th 2003 - 02:17:01 PM

Name: Scribbler

One press release type "Newsletter" is not spam. We like hearing from ZFX and other producers, what they're up to, etc. I guess that can include distributors too. If it gets exessive, that might be a different story, but I don't think Bill intends to do that. Bill, feel free to post non advertising type posts here as well. Like what do you really think about the vids you sell, they can't all be winners! Where do you think the EA case is going (I hear the trial will start early next year)?

Sunday, November 16th 2003 - 05:37:28 PM

Name: Dan Hawke
E-mail address: danhawke@dan-hawke.com
Homepage URL: http://www.dan-hawke.com

Hey, ya'll:

Bill asked if it would be alright to post the newsletter here and I told him sure, the GIMP members would be interested.

Glad to see I was right!

I hope you enjoy the vid club angle Bill and I cooked up...


Sunday, November 16th 2003 - 09:31:04 PM

Name: Iago

I haven't seen any of Dan's stuff, but have seen enough postings from board members to know his videos and photos are held in good regard. It also seems to me that Dan has been a pretty regular contributor to the board, and not just to exclusively hawk (Hawke?) his products.

(Does Mentat computation)

I don't have a problem with the odd advertising notice, particularly if it announces (as this did) things that are of financial boon to the Gimpers.

Just my $.02.



Monday, November 17th 2003 - 05:39:23 AM

Name: Paulus

Cool stills...definitely Amy is one hot chick. I wish I had the privacy to watch these videos, but I don't anymore...its rare that I get a chance to watch anything anymore.

Monday, November 17th 2003 - 02:17:09 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex

Sorry, guys, but it's spam to me.

I'd be okay with an occasional posting from a regular contributor which said, "Hey, GIMPERS, there is a newsletter at the following URL which you might want to check out." But putting the "buy this!" content of the newsletter here? No, bad idea, clogs up the forum.


Monday, November 17th 2003 - 10:45:09 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex

Oh, btw, Bill...

DVD players suck. I don't want a player, I want a recorder. And one which will allow me to make a backup copy of any purchased or rented movie, like I can, and do, with a VCR. DVDs are a step backwards in functionality, if they don't offer easy recording ability.

And ps, I don't think $25 bucks for a movie in either format, DVD or videotapes, is fair. Ten dollars tops to buy.

My rants for the day.


Monday, November 17th 2003 - 10:51:37 PM

Name: Unicoi

I agree with Ralphus. Dan posts regularly and the newsletter was informative. I didn't feel like we were being spammed by it.

Ten dollar DVDs and VHS tapes? That would be great, but probably not realistic for small producers. I would rather have new videos and DVD's available for purchase at $25 or even $50, than not have any new ones available at all.

Tuesday, November 18th 2003 - 12:05:21 AM

Name: Scribbler

I guess I actually come in on both sides of the "is the newsletter spam" issue. On the one hand, I think most of the info in it is of interest here, but the heavy advertising tone is a little much for the forum. Lengthwise could also be condensed.

When Rick posts and tells us what he's up too, he also shows that he reads the forum and covers a few topics, or answers prior questions. (Of course it's been awhile hasn't it!) Same with Dan Hawke posts. They seem more personal to the group, and are the posts from producers I prefer. Again, I'm not against press release info from producers, but I think it should be within reason (whatever that is) and only from producers or whoever who also contribute to the board in other useful ways, not just advertising.

BTW, and this was very strange, I turned on my DVD player today and the start up screen came up and said "zee-ef-ex's suck!" It does that every now and then, I don't know why. I think it's fairly presumptuous of it, don't you? I'm sure it doesn't speak for all DVD players.

Tuesday, November 18th 2003 - 02:20:54 AM

Name: Mr?
E-mail address: ?@?

Finally Brandi Dukes gets some attention. Any more ZFX films starring Brandi in the works? High Strung 2? Bad guy gets his revenge or a new Miss Ballista type character?

Tuesday, November 18th 2003 - 09:24:44 AM

Name: zee-ef-ex

Scrib, nice of your DVD player to recognize me :-)

Seriously, Scribbler, I like your sense of humor, and I appreciate the point you are making about presumptuousness. But that just reinforces what I was saying, because it was my point in the first place. Like most people I hate advert-speak to begin with, with all of that "hurry down while prices last" false alarmism. And I particularly hate the selling of a sow's ear as though it is a silk purse. Advertising virtually always crosses over to the realm of lying, and I think that's why people hate it so much.

Anyway, when some spammer posts to this board with what is essentially an accusation that people who don't embrace digitially restricted technology are somehow falling behind, sure I take offense to that. His mileage varies, and yours may, too, but don't assume everyone embraces what you do. It was HIS presumptuousness, both in posting spam here, and in making it offensive (to me) anti-analog spam at that, that prompted my own comments.

PS: My VCR just brought me a martini from the kitchen. Can YOUR DVD player do that? :-)


Tuesday, November 18th 2003 - 07:54:13 PM

Name: Baronorca
E-mail address: baronorca2msn.com

Well. I must be a sucker for that advertising stuff, just sent my $24.95 to "join" the DanHawke video "club". Will keep you guys posted as to how it comes out. Anybody bite on the Forbidden "Best of" video? How was it?

$10 BDSM videos, try LBO.

Tuesday, November 18th 2003 - 08:44:14 PM

Name: Paulus

Ya know what....I can't stand brandi dukes breasts!!! I know..but we all have different likes/dislikes. I prefer smaller ones...like C is the max for me...

Wednesday, November 19th 2003 - 10:39:22 AM

Name: Bill Kerchein
E-mail address: b_n_d@boundanddelivered.com
Homepage URL: http://www.boundanddelivered.com

Okay folks, here comes some replies:

First, as Dan said, he thought it would be OK to post this advert here. I think for the most part the response has been favorable. However in future I think I will tailor any posts to the board, just giving a short notice when we have sales and so forth.

As to saying which of my videos I like best or worst, it would be mighty hard to keep producers if I didn't treat them all the same. That said I tend to like Dan's material more than the softer stuff. However the DKA videos we have are pretty good examples of quality bondage for those into the less interactive stuff. And all of the bondage products appeal so some segment of the marked.

I also like the ZFX stuff and the old HOM. However as to the ZFX stuff I'm not sure I can agree with all of you who rave about it. There are some really great things in the ZFX vids, but some of the fake stuff (the whippings for one) don't thrill me. Also I don't care to see women attacked by houseplants! ;) Still I do like the male dom theme and I love all the drool!

Now I would like to address two points mentioned by zee-ef-ex. First my tone was not meant to be offensive. I guess the newsletter was "advert" speak. However I do think anyone who doesn't take advantage of the higher quality, greater durability and extra features of DVD players are really missing the boat. But that's just my opinion.

There are DVD recorders available now. The last time I checked you could get one for about $700. That was a while ago so they probably cost less now. But this brings me to my second point.

Stealing bondage videos.

When I read someone wants DVD's for $10 a unit I have to wonder.

Very few bondage producers are rich. I haven't seen any Mercedes in their drives, nor even BMW's for that matter. This is a very small market.

At least a very small paying market.

I admit to duping some videos in my own personal collection in the past. I suppose hard times, lack of funds and desire for the product are a justification for all of the pirating that goes on.

However justification and rationalization are pretty close together.

Every time you duplicate a rented tape or have a buddy run off a copy of a product, you are hurting the actual producers. Everyone here gets behind Rick when he comments about someone illegally selling his stuff retail, but those who make their own private copies feel their crime is not the same.

I know that a lot of the material being produced is pretty lame. I know that spending money on material that you find is poor to outright bad is a real drag. However if you find someone whose stuff you do like, like ZFX or Dan Hawke or whoever, you should support the producers by buying their products. Preferably direct from them.

If you don't support them, they may dissapear some day. Believe it.

So it's up to you. You can continue to watch as producers leave the market and keep posting "whatever happened to" notices here or you can get behind those producers you actually like.

$10 a tape or DVD? I know what I make, and I know what I pay the producers. Let me tell you. At the sales volumes that exist, I would close up the site, and I'm pretty sure most of the producers would as well at those prices.

Hollywood movies cost about $20 a DVD (although you can grab them on sale sometimes for $15 in the initial week of release). How many of those DVD's give you the charge that your bondage collection brings to you? Yet people don't complain about that.

The latest computer animation title that was put out generated millions of copies sold. A good bondage title may generate a hundred units or so -- over the course of three or four months.

I don't know Rick, but I have visited Dan before. He shoots with $8,000 worth of cameras. He pays the model - pays all of her travel expenses and also pays an assistant. I know he has close to $30,000-$40,000 invested in props and another $20,000 in video editing equipment. I'm sure Rick has similar expenses.

Shooting this stuff isn't cheap or easy. These guys deserve the money they get, trust me.

In fact, most producers don't last five years.

Perhaps many of them don't deseve to. At least that's what the marketplace says.

However when you think how few video producers exist (insex doesn't sell videos, hogtied doesn't anymore, etc.), the $$$ they spend making the stuff, the potential legal entanglements (prison is not out of the question) and the fact that people complain about paying a fair price for the products and you wonder why anyone bothers to do it all.

The video club is an idea cooked up by Dan (with some little input from me) in the hopes that more of you will actually support his work -- instead of stealing it (though he would never say that).

If this goes over well we will extend the offer.

You want cheaper products, then buy from the producers directly.

If even 1/3rd of those who rip off the products were to buy them, I would bet the prices could easily drop 50% or more. But when each unit sold supplies 10-12 folks with the video, then the prices have to stay high.

I don't mean to attack any individual posters or GIMPers. I certainly don't mean to attack zee-ef-ex.

Ultimately pirating is a fact of a this business and the producers accept it. But sooner or later they all get tired of working hard and struggling just to pay the bills and keep a roof over their heads.

It's up to you (the fans who actually seem to give a shit) to make this sad reality change.

I guarantee you, if our sales volume goes up substantially, our prices will go down.

If not, then the only thing that will continue to go down are the number of producers who are putting bondage product out there.

And that, as they say, is my .02!

Bill Kerchein http://www.boundanddelivered.com

Wednesday, November 19th 2003 - 01:31:11 PM

Name: Scribbler

don't have much time tonight so...

piracy: bad; buying one of the many vids that suck: bad; buying vids that are actually good: good.

dvd players: good; VCRs: good; dvd recorders: some are said to be good; dvd recorders with built in hard drives: even better; tivo: haven't decided.

press releases: OK I guess; overly advertising oriented posts: bad; producer and distributor non-ad posts: good; some promotional content in posts: can be fine, depends, let moderator decide.

VCRs that make martinis: cool; DVD players that can do construction and add a whole 3rd story floor to house: even better!

Wednesday, November 19th 2003 - 08:38:36 PM

Name: AvF
E-mail address: Hollywood Vampire

zee-ef-ex~Whoa, that's pretty awesome! Martini's huh?

So what's your 8-track tape deck do besides play music? ;-)


Wednesday, November 19th 2003 - 08:57:38 PM

Name: AvF
E-mail address: Hollywood Vampire

Oh, by the way, I've seen DVD recorders as low as $350.00 now. They're starting to come down.

Also DVD-R/RW's are less than a hundred sometimes...don't know much about them. Don't know if you would be able to record similarly with them though.


Wednesday, November 19th 2003 - 09:02:50 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex


This is probably a discussion better left for slashdot, but bottom line, it's not theft, it's not stealing, making copies for one's personal use is at most copyright infringement and at best fair use. And it all comes out in the wash - at the end of the day, I don't have a single extra penny to spend, so if I'm paying the video store for the rentals and the VCR manufacturers and maintainers for the hardware and the blank casette companies for the blank tapes, it's all the same money, and I'm certainly renting more than I ever would if I was limited to buy-only, and probably buying more, too (thanks to having the opportunity to be exposed to more product samples). Rhetorical question - you will never win this debate, and we shouldn't bore the children - but why should the laws be changed so content makers make more money than the hardware manufacturers or the video rental stores? Why can't the content makers be satisfied with rental fee money, like Hollywood has historically been, until Hollywood's recent digital money grabs?

Yes, you certainly have an argument that specialty content should demand a higher price, fair enough, I agree with you, it should. But in general, there needs to be a business model which lets us sample and sort through all of the non-inspired content out there (most of it) so we can spend our limited purchase dollars wisely. In brief, if you as a content producer want to go digital, you have to take the good with the bad that comes with that. If I can't easily copy it, then I don't want it. Analog quality is just fine. And yes, if I can't rip and copy CDs, I'll happily go back to casette tapes and 8-track tapes and beating with bones on the wall of my cave. And there are many like me, and it takes a nation of millions to hold us back. (smile)

PS: Don't forget that you're assuming that because I have the capacity to make a copy of a videotape, that I am doing so. It is the rare rental movie which I ever copy, most of them are boring and not worth keeping.

PPS: What about those tits on Brandi Dukes, huh? I generally like 'em small, but you gotta admit, hers have character, that's for sure. Is there a name for large aereolas like that?


Wednesday, November 19th 2003 - 10:15:00 PM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html

zee-ef-ex wrote: What about those tits on Brandi Dukes, huh? I generally like 'em small, but you gotta admit, hers have character, that's for sure. Is there a name for large aereolas like that?

Yes, the word is suckable.

Wednesday, November 19th 2003 - 11:31:11 PM

Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com


Please email me - I can't find your email address.

Thursday, November 20th 2003 - 08:04:26 AM

Name: Iago

Hey Bill,

I see your logic about prices for material, but can't help stepping into the wayback machine and my first experiences with bondage movies. I was 21 or so, and found my first seller of bondage stuff in the back of an AVN magazine borrowed from a guy I knew in a video store. I sent away for the catalog (yes, this was pre-internet for the masses) and ordered the discount-for-getting-three-at-a-time pack of three movies. It cost me about $120 all told if I remember right. It was all I could spend for the next 6 months.

I wonder what percentage of your audience is formed from people like that? Young guys without a lot of scratch?

It's all economies of scale, but unfortunately it's also a catch-22 for you guys. You can't afford to lower your prices without more demand, but you may never get more demand unless you lower your prices. I know I'd have bought a lot more movies back then if they'd been cheaper. It was a real tough call what movies to order when I knew I really couldn't afford any more for a long time and it would really suck if I chose a stinker.

That actually remains my biggest block to this day. New producers can't really get a break from me unless I either see a lot of good reviews here or the tools on the web site give me a good indicator of what I'm going to get.

Like I said, it's not a comfortable situation to be in. I wonder, though, if there was a way to try a $10 tape as a test and see what happened with it? If it only sold as well as any other movie you'd be out a few bucks. If it took off, you'd be in a position to gain (at least temporarily) a real edge in the market.

Another idea would be to do what some booksellers do: Extended etasers, where you can buy the 1st half of a book for $1, but you need to buy the whole book to get the back half. Sell a $5 or $10 version of the tape (cheaper is better-you'll probably make it back on the sale of the main title), but it only includes the first half of the vid. Then charge for the full version of the video when they want to see the second half. If they like it and they want to see what they think will be the really good stuff in the second half, now you have 2 sales instead of one. More importantly, it gives pervs like me a low-cost way to evaluate whether we like your product or not, then start buying if we do.

So far as pirates, I don't know from pirates. The only dupes I make are of my own tapes, since they tend to degrade with age. I believe it's called a backup for personal use, or somesuch.



Thursday, November 20th 2003 - 09:35:57 AM

Name: Iago

First, I think Zee-Ef-Ex's 8-track is actually down in the basement, doing unspeakable things to his other old equipment. Bring out the Gimp!

Second, I gotta cry foul on on anything that smacks of copyright infringement, including taping rented movies. Backing up a copy you bought is, I believe, perfectly legal. Taping rented vids is piratical. I'm no fan of the bloated, pus-infested carcass that is the recording industry, but look at how quickly they've crashed over the past few years. If we want small producers to keep giving (well, selling, actually, at often painfully high prices) us the goods that we want, they need to get paid. That means forking over the cash if you like it enough to tape it. If you don't like it eough to tape it, just return the video. You paid for the rental, and aren't out the extra sheckels for buying a bad video.

There aren't any rental places near me that I've been able to find that rent bondage flicks, which leaves me in a tough spot. Without the temptation it might be a little easier for me to preach. But just saying you pirate rather than buy because you are broke doesn't cut it. That's the same thing car thieves say, and it sounds really dumb in court.



Thursday, November 20th 2003 - 09:53:52 AM

Name: Bill Kerchein
E-mail address: b_n_d@boundanddelivered.com
Homepage URL: http://boundanddelivered.com


Thanx for the breath of honesty.


As I said I am not specifying any particular board member. However realize that producers make about $8 to $12 (max) when a tape is sold to a retail store. That ain't a lot of money.

Back-up copies are fair use, to be sure.

Renting a tape and copying it is theft.

Folks do that all the time and there isn't anything to be done about it. But it is pretty disingenous to say why can't the producer be happy with his $8.

You think that's a living?

The producer doesn't get much of a cut of the money made by any of the video chains. Certainly they make nothing when you buy a corporate giant's VCR or DVD player.

I still stand by what I said. Buying pirated bondage flicks or pirating them yourself is the surest way to drive bondage producers out of business. Do it, don't do it, your choice.

Just please don't say the money you pay S*ny or P**as*n*c or Bl*ckb*st** makes up for stealing from the producers.

I am certainly not accusing you of renting/duping. I have no idea as to your personal ethics.

The practice however, is very widespread.

As those who read this board know (see some of Rick's posts), even the retail copies may be dupes. Certain NYC stores do this often, and many, many European outlets do it with impunity. Here the producer is being robbed twice.

If this board isn't the place to have a discussion about practices that tend to put bondage producers out of business, then I'm not sure it's worth discussing anywhere else, is it?

However, I won't post on this topic anymore. At least I hope I won't have to respond to any more rationalizations. It comes down to personal ethics. I can't change anyone's ethics.

When I next post, I hope it will be more about this fantasy material I love as much as the rest of you do. I just felt this was a topic that needs to be addressed.

Not being a direct producer myself, I thought I could float these ideas with less fear of customer backlash than the producers themselves might worry about.



Thursday, November 20th 2003 - 05:29:34 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex

Taping rented vids isn't piratical, Iago, it's fair use. No less than the US Supreme Court said so in the Betamax case. Bill, cry me a river about your economic problems. Yes, it sucks, but so what? When technology changes and brings this miraculous ability to make almost perfect copies that do nothing to take away ("steal") or degrade the original, that's a wonderful thing which creates a societal good which needsa to be applauded and embraced. If it changes your economic model, get a new one, one which adapts to the new technology instead of asking it to adapt to you. And if that doesn't work, then do it for love instead of money.

Jeez, the myths and propaganda you guys propagate. Copying for your own use is legal, it's moral, it's the exact opposite of theft. Now who is it again who you say is acting in a technologically backwards manner? Not me - I'm trying to embrace new technologies, and you're arguing for restricting them. Guess that comes with the territory on a board devoted to tieing (people) down. :-)

With all best wishes and hopes that you succeed with your content-production goals, but in full recognition that YOU are flat out wrong and are arguying in favor of being technologically backwards,


Thursday, November 20th 2003 - 09:20:23 PM

Name: Bill Kerchein
E-mail address: b_n_d@boundanddelivered.com
Homepage URL: http://boundanddelivered.com


I don't know the letter of the law, so you may be right, though I find it hard to believe. Point me to a URL I would like to see the source you quote...

However what I will tell you is that you are screwing Rick, Dan and every producer you do it to.

Good luck!

Sorry, but you want what you want for free at the cost of screwing the people who produce the material you want. This has nothing to do with technology. Has to do with you wanting producers to stop producing. Coz that's the end result.

In the end when they all quit because you don't want them to make a living, then perhaps you will make all the bondage videos out of love.

Hey, just keep doing what your doing. Lord knows how much high quality bondage material there is out there. Who needs Dan and Rick.

Legal or not, ethically your position just sux!


Thursday, November 20th 2003 - 09:34:55 PM

Name: Baronorca
E-mail address: baronorca@msn.com

Bottom Line on piracy & Home duping. Support those who make a product you like -- by BUYING it! The Bondage "industry" is tiny, major players make maybe 500-1000 copies of each movie, that's it. Small producers around a hundred or so. Not much of a margin for real profit (an if it don't make a profit--you won't see too much of it).

As to price, I'm comfortable with a blind buy for about $25 for a 1+hr video. Any more and I waffle and wait for the "annual sale". Known producers can (with the right models and action) pry up to $60 a video(but not often).

Friday, November 21st 2003 - 08:29:41 AM

Name: pkc

TO use the rationale of zee-ef-ex is stupid. In order for the industry of producers even to be a viable solution without bankruptcy using his rationale they should charge 1,500 per tape and the rental stores about $20 to rent. If you cannot make money at it, then the industry will go away and you will have no choices.

Friday, November 21st 2003 - 11:44:19 AM

Name: Iago

I wonder just how small our fetish is. It seems like there are a lot of small producers out there, all getting by. None of them seem to be making a ransom at it, but I'm sure some of the larger groups are. Too bad Rick hasn't chimed in for a while, I'd like to hear his take on this, though Rick has traditionally played pretty close to the vest with his sales numbers.

Friday, November 21st 2003 - 12:41:08 PM

Name: Paulus

I would be curious to know how many other people are out there who buy these kinds of vids too. Do we number in the half a dozen, dozens, or hundreds? I wish I knew someone else who was into this in RL....but at least I got this board.

Friday, November 21st 2003 - 02:20:47 PM

Name: Scribbler

For those who really want to understand copyright law, go here and read (have fun!)
US Copyright Office Website

Briefly, by copyright law, it IS illegal to copy copyrightable intangible works (written works, visual works, audio works, other) that someone else (NOT you) OWNS the copyright too. Borrowing a book from the library, renting a DVD from Blockbuster, buying a DVD direct from the producer, does NOT transfer upon you the LEGAL right to make even ONE copy of it (No, fair use provision does not allow for this -- fair use is intended for very special case limited uses -- I refer you to the above site).

But the reality is that millions of people do copy things all the time anyway. And they come up with all kinds of justifications as to why it's OK, and some of it makes sense, but that doesn't make it legal (it just makes it justified in the eyes of the justifier). And even I do it, tho not to the extent of some people I know.

Regarding the subject of this board: BDSM related video. If you'd rate the video an "A" you should definitely buy it, if a "B" you probably should, if a "C" then it's your call, if a "D" it's likely you don't want it anyway, if a "F" you should bill the producer for the time you wasted and for the wear on your VCR or DVD player.

I do have to say though, that I really hate when I buy something and it turns out to be crap or mostly crap! I've bought some DVDs based on favorable reviews, only to find I didn't concur with the reviews and felt I wasted money (I'm not talking about the reviews here BTW). That's one big problem with this stuff (DVDs, CD), if you open the shrinkwrapping, view or listen to what's on it, even tho you discover it's not something you want, you can't return it. So in that sense, they "got" you. Getting "gotten" like this enough times is another thing that drives people to copy stuff.

Friday, November 21st 2003 - 04:39:45 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex


Please don't twist my words. I have asked for nothing for free. I just want to keep the right to buy a movie and make a copy of it, or rent a movie and make a copy of it. All perfectly legal, and all considered profitable for the past twenty years until DVDs came on the scene and Hollywood went on a money grab.

If you are complaining about people sharing multiple copies with strangers on the Internet who aren't paying, I agree with your points. But that's not what I'm talking about. I said nothing about giving away free copies. I want to make a copy for myself.

Here are some URLs so that you can see that what I am describing is perfectly legal in the US and has been for twenty years. I would have thought that content producers would know the laws which pertain to their art, but, I guess not.

Description of the Betamax case - http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/B/htmlB/betamaxcase/betamaxcase.htm

The case itself - http://www.eff.org/Legal/Cases/sony_v_universal_decision.html


Friday, November 21st 2003 - 04:49:49 PM

Name: Bill Kerchein
E-mail address: b_n_d@boundanddelivered.com
Homepage URL: http://www.boundanddelivered.com

Enough already.

Even your own sources talk about taping (time shifting and fair use copy off the airwaves) as allowed, but specifically mention illegal duplication as being a copyright violation. your own sources define the practice as illegal.

Read it how you want, do what you want.

I think the practice is ethically wrong and legally wrong based on my reading of your own URL's.

You have convinced yourself of the legal and ethical right to rip off producers and it would be silly to continue to argue the point on this board.

The only item that would be of interest on this topic is that, I too, would like Rick to weigh in on this controversy.

All that said, it is somewhat reassuring to see that all GIMPers who responded on this topic, with the exception of yourself, zee-ef-ex, understand that unless producers make money, they won't produce.

On a more pleasant topic, which ZFX flick are the brandi dukes pix from? I don't recall seeing this scene. I'll come down firmly on the "like those boobies" side of this particular controversy.


PS: I apologize to all GIMPers for the brouhaha on this topic. I was just urging support of the producers you like and didn't even consider anyone would argue to put them out of business...

Friday, November 21st 2003 - 06:26:35 PM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html

zee-ef-ex: Thanks for the link to the Betamax case, but unless I am totally reading it wrong, this particular case refers to home taping off the television, also known as "time shifting", where you are legally allowed to record someone else's copyrighted work and make a copy for yourself. It does NOT refer to renting a videocassette and using another VCR and dubbing cables to engineer yourself a personal copy off that movie. Let me quote from the URL you offered up about the Betamax case:

"These rulings pertained to the court's interpretation of the fair use doctrine as it pertained to consumers. Addressing the matter of retailing of videocassettes, the court let stand the First Sale Doctrine of the 1976 Copyright Act, which stated that the first purchaser of a copyrighted work (e.g. a motion picture on videocassette) could use it in any way the purchaser saw fit as long as copyright was not violated by illegal duplication, etc."

Every movie you rent from Blockbuster contains an FBI notice that states that illegal duplication is against the law and subject to a fine of $250,000. And based on this, we've probably all broken the law, many of us multiple times. I know I'm guilty. If the FBI were to bust into my place and raid my video shelves, they would find some stuff I've rented (or bought) that I dubbed into personal copies for my own use. I worked in video stores for 12 years, so I had easy access to thousands of tapes.

Back when I was managing a video store some years ago, a customer returned a video that was from a different store to my store, and it was obvious from the photocopied box and the shoddy look of the label that it was bootleg copy that the other store was renting out. To make a long story short, I contacted the MPAA and worked undercover renting tapes from that store, gathering evidence, and it turned out they were renting literally thousands of bootlegs to their customers. They got busted and had to pay a huge fine.

To me, this is an egregious example of ripping off studios and producers, much more so than your average John and Mary Beercan who will make copies for themselves for their own use, and not attempt to profit from it. It's the street venders who are selling bootlegs of new release theatrical movies, and the adult stores who routinely make dubs of adult videos and sell them as though they were new who are the real threats to people who produce movies.

There were a couple of times when I even contacted Rick directly and told him on the phone about a certain video store in my area that was renting out bootleg ZFX tapes. I also gave him the address of a mail order company that was selling a movie I bought called "Insane" that turned out to be Rick's own "Night Prowler 2" with the titles conveniently removed. I'm pretty sure he sicced his lawyers on them :)

There's one more ironic sidebar to my MPAA story. Among the thousands of tapes from that store was a huge selection of adult videos, but the MPAA didn't have me rent any. I asked why not, and they told me flat out that nobody with the FBI cares about bootleg adult material. How frustrating is that? They leave it up to the adult producers to try to go after these guys themselves, and they don't even get any help from the authorities. And trust me, my two cases with ZFX are just a tiny drop in the bucket. Basically, any time you buy bootlegs, you are hurting the original producers financially. As far as home taping, that's up to you, but as Scribbler stated, it's still not legal.

Friday, November 21st 2003 - 06:32:19 PM

Name: Silent Buddha

IAGO - read below for a section for you. :)

Yay, for everyone sticking up for Rick and other producers out there. Copying a complete video that you rented is most definitely pirating and not protected by fair use laws. However, and this is a murky point, making copies of your own videos (ones that you've bought but don't own the copyright to) is OK as long as you retain the original (don't return it to the store after "backing it up") and only use it for personal use (don't lend/distribute it to others). The fair use laws are basically there to protect the consumer and provide a means for them to enjoy their investment while protecting it at the same time. IE - keeping the Original safe and watching the backup until it wears out at which time you can make another backup of the original to continue enjoying it. It is NOT meant to facilitate people getting free copies and basically stealing from the producers of said work.

Anyway, that's all for my rant about it. And I'm extremely happy to see everyone sticking up for Rick and other producers.

As to 10 dollar DVDs, man that would be awesome, but I can't see how it is feasible unless you can sell in the tens to hundreds of thousands of copies, and I just don't see our niche market doing that. Back in the day I was willing to pay up to 60 dollars for ZFX videos but rarely for anything else. I bought a few B&D Pleasures, Cal Star, etc, but they all left me wanting and feeling like I wasted my money. That was back when pretty much ALL Bondage VHS tapes were around 60+ dollars a pop. At 35 for ZFX Material I feel like I'm in Bargain central compared to the old days. And at 25 dollars a pop I'm even willing to experiment with out producers who don't produce ZFX type material.

That said, I'd be willing to buy more from other producers if they produced more ZFXish stuff. Stuff featuring Bondage, Rape, Storyline (Horror, Sci-Fi, Kidnapping, Superheroes being my favorites), Nylons/Pantyhose (my personal fetish), and at least an attempt at getting the scenery right. Granted Costuming and Scene locations are probably out of reach for most producers, but I know thrift stores have some great values for costuming to fit a storyline that can also be destroyed (ripped off, yum!) during filming. So get to it, and I'd set up a special budget just for you other producers also. :) I've always got a "special" section of my bank account set aside for possible ZFX expenditures. Generally around 200 dollars just in case Rick goes back to the old days and releases 4-6 videos all at once. :)

Once again, that said, I'm not as into the straight Bondage, tight ropes, whipping, pain thing just for the sake of bondage, tight ropes, whipping and pain. I almost find vanilla porn as entertaining as that, so I generally don't spend much money for something along those lines. Hell, I spend more money on independant horror movies on the net in hopes that it includes a few scenes of women getting molested by a monster or kidnapped and raped by some depraved person or a combination of the two. Guess that shows where my little kinks are. I can't imagine how excited I'd get if there was a semi-real looking Zombie flick that had Zombies raping women. :) And tentacles would be a bonus. :D I keep hoping I win the lotto or inheret some money from some rich uncle I never knew about so I could make a video I'd like and costs be damned. :) Unforunately that hasn't happened yet. :P

IAGO - There's a few sites I've found that do the superhero thing. You've already mentioned Superheroine Central and Superheroines Demise (Superheroines Demise being a slight bit better IMO, too many fake tits on Central though the comics are nice). But Superheroines.com is my current favorite for material as it convers my little fetishes a bit better. Costuming and the whole pantyhose thing under the costume and watching it slowly being ripped off. Unfortunately they don't have a ton of material on there and no video's whatsoever. However the pictures are good quality and he "tries" to update twice a week. He isn't very good at sticking to a schedule however and sometimes you get one update in a week and sometimes you get three in a week. On the plus side it is fairly cheap at 14.95 so you aren't out much if you don't like it. The bondage isn't generall that tight. About on part with Shortfuse type bondage, but there is occasional penetration and sometimes good costuming.

You might also want to give spacebabecentral.com (sister site of superheroinecentral) as they usually have a few tentacle type comics going and occasionally at least "try" to incorporate tentacles into their movies. Not as much material as SuperheroineCentral but it fits me a tiny bit more for the hope that tentacles will show up again. :)

There's a few more sites that I might try in the near future. Boundcomics Universe looks interesting and is fairly cheap. I'm hoping for good things from it, but who knows, it's a crapshoot either way.


Saturday, November 22nd 2003 - 01:12:01 AM

Name: Mr?

I have a quick question...Has Brandi done any other "acting" outside zfx? Maybe some model stuff?

Saturday, November 22nd 2003 - 11:56:46 AM

Name: Black Rubber Mask

Silent Buddha, I can definitely relate to the disappointment in B&D Pleasures, etc. There's nothing quite like the let-down associated with lame bondage. The box looks good, but, ah, the slow, flaccid proceedings within... compare that to a Dan Hawke video where the bondage itself is near unbearable.

Producers with the commitment to serious BDSM deserve support. This is not the mainstream; without support shown by purchasing their products, they will not stay in business, and we'll be the poorer for it.

Saturday, November 22nd 2003 - 07:36:56 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex

I don't think you guys are right about the law, but it doesn't matter, because there is a major economic flaw in your analysis. I and the other copiers I know rarely buy movies now (of any kind). Restrict copying, and we won't buy any more movies then than we do now, either. Get it?

Plus, reduce the ability to time shift, and I would certainly rent FEWER movies than I do now. So these technological restrictions which you are advocating will actually result in fewer dollars in content producers' pockets. That's the result you want? Tsk, how short-sighted.

Anyway, like I said, you can't win, you're just wrong and living in the past. :) The age of digitally perfect copies is here. Adapt, or lose your audience.


Saturday, November 22nd 2003 - 09:34:55 PM

Name: Iago

Silent Buddha: Thanks for the tips. I've actually been on Spacebabe Central since it opened :) I'll check out those other sites when I get the chance.

Zee-ef-ex...Dood, there's nothing to say to you. You are basically saying that if people make it harder for you to steal from them that you won't steal as much from them. Hellooooo?

Time-shifting is for broadcast stuff-things that are played over the TV at specific times which you can record to watch at a later time. Tivo is probably a good example of this. When you have a recording already in the form of a rented movie THERE IS NO TIMESHIFTING. It's right in front of you, to be played or replayed at your liesure. Anyway, that's the last of it from me. Let me just point out that everything you rent tells you it's illegal to copy it. Nothing on TV says that. If you think it's right and legal for a publisher to get paid for one copy of a video that then gets rented out to and copied by 50 other people with no coin going into his pocket for any of it, well, aside from the obvious, that you are wrong, you are stealing the man's bread from his mouth while keeping a smile on yours. Not good, brother.



Sunday, November 23rd 2003 - 07:58:02 AM

Name: Iago

Silent Buddha: I checked out the superheroines.com site. The preview looked pretty promising. I'm curious about something, though. It looks like there's been a lot of content posted to the site. Is it more like Villain's site where you can check the stories and other content back to the beginning, or is it more like DanO's site where stuff is only up for a few weeks before being removed?



Sunday, November 23rd 2003 - 08:34:23 AM

Name: Rod

While visiting the Bondage Video Mall website, I found a video titled Binding Intruder (http://bondagevideomall.com/videos/bon_vue/Binding_Intruder.htm), from the Home Maid collection (Bon-Vue subsidiary ?). I'm intrigued : one of the actors is named "Jason Cole".. Obviously an HOMage. Has anyone heard about this title, and /or would you recommend any of the titles from the Home Maid series ?...


Sunday, November 23rd 2003 - 01:50:50 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex


Yes, we have pretty much killed the horse, I won't belabor the points either. You guys have good taste in porn, but you are so dense about copyright and economics and technology that it is unbelievable. Renting videotapes does not entail time shifting? What are you smoking? You mean, when I go to the video store, rent five movies, record all five of them immediately onto blank tapes, return them on time so I receive no late fees, and then watch the copied movies at my leisure over the next week or the next three months, depending on how much free time I have, and then when I finish watching them rent some more and do it all over again, re-taping over the early copies, rarely if ever keeping any of them - that's not time shifting? Is that really what you're saying? What the hell is that if that's not time shifting?

Next thing you'll be saying is that keeping the recorded copies longer than the three days or whatever my video store allows me is stealing and I should be paying extra late fees for daring to watch the movie after five days instead of after two days. And god forbid you should overhear me whistling a song I heard on the radio, if one of us didn't send a nickel to the radio station first in order to be allowed to repeat their song. JESUS, WAKE THE FUCK UP.

Sorry, someone had to say it. How can guys so smart be so stupid? :)

Oh well, the horse has been creamted. I won't revive it. Reason just doesn't seem to be able to win out over propaganda. Enjoy your servitude, boys. Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.

Oh, PS, all of you owe me $10 for reading my comments here.


Sunday, November 23rd 2003 - 08:57:33 PM

Name: Bill Kerchein
E-mail address: b_n_d@boundanddelivered.com
Homepage URL: http://boundanddelivered.com


I won't beat the horse anymore either. Nor do I think this board deserves any more on this topic.

You are very young, tho' (no matter your age).

So let's engage your kinky brain, zee-ef-ex, tell us what flicks you do like and we'll get this board back on track.

Disclaimer: These comments may be read free of charge. Correspondent acknowledges that reading these comments may be construed to represent unsolicted advertisement of my website, http://www.boundanddelivered.com



Sunday, November 23rd 2003 - 10:15:36 PM

Name: Silent Buddha

IAGO - Yes, superheroines.com has all thier material that he's ever put up for viewing. In fact, he has some sets from back when his site was an adultcheck site a few years ago. Then it went down for a while due to pressure from either Marvel or DC or both, don't remember the exact details. Apparently Superchick and Wonder Girl were a little too close to Supergirl and Wonderwoman. ((shrug)) That said, he had only like 7 or 8 sets back then and disappeared for a while. I really missed it as it showed some great promise for Superheroines abused material.

Now, he's got quite a few sets up. Nothing like the quantity of content at the Villains site, but much better quality IMO. Granted I haven't subscribed to the Villains site in about a year or so. Like the Villains site it can sometimes take a few weeks for the entire story to be shown. When possible he tries to do it in comic book format. And then also releases just the photos. Sometimes it appears he doesn't have time and just releases the photos with no story. Either way when he hits the mark it is some really great stuff. On the flip side, sometimes the series aren't so great. If you do check it out, you'll notice how over time he's been more off than on, and his last few sets have had some nice photography.


Sunday, November 23rd 2003 - 11:05:24 PM

Name: Rick
E-mail address: zfx4u@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://www.zfx-shockwavevideo.com

Hello to All:

Just letting you know, I've got 4 more titles on DVD, Fair Warning, Vacuum, Drifters and In Their Nature, they should be up there by now. All are ground up Restorations, Fair Warning was deflashed(ask Ralphus what that means) and sound remixed on all of em. No new scenes except FW has some slight extensions here and there but also some tightened edits and such. Its about 4 min longer that it was originally. Also there 8 new titles up streaming, one of which is Liza Cord with the delectable Amy Van Allen. That makes about 70 or so streaming titles up there. Bitter Sweet Persuasion (final title I hope heh) is close to completion. It will likely not be out till early next year.

zeeefex: Heres the thing about that ruling. First it says taped off air ie. taped from a broadcast not copied from a tangible object. The Second thing is they said (the court)

"These rulings pertained to the court's interpretation of the fair use doctrine as it pertained to consumers. Addressing the matter of retailing of videocassettes, the court let stand the First Sale Doctrine of the 1976 Copyright Act, which stated that the first purchaser of a copyrighted work (e.g. a motion picture on videocassette) could use it in any way the purchaser saw fit as long as copyright was not violated by illegal duplication, etc. This right extended to the rental of videocassettes purchased from Hollywood studios."

Your misinterpreting this. It say the first PURCHASER, i.e. the rental store, can RENT the movie. If you BUY it you can rent it and probably make one copy of it for yourself.

All that said, yeah, people will do what they will do. It taping rentals does a bit of commercial damage but its not a huge concern. I dont encourage it, but I aint losing sleep over THAT. The folks that tape rentals probably cant afford to buy one, or are just to cheap and foolish. At least they drive sales to rental outlets. People like ze ef ex are low on my agro list, though I think what you saying is wrong minded. If you like something, buy it, support it, or it wont survive. Personally, I cant complain, I have many, many paying customers and for this I'm thankful. ze ef ex, dont feel the need to respond, lets just let this dam thread DIE hehe! You got your view points, I doubt any of us are gonna change anyone elses minds...

The authorities: will help because by law, they have to IF you have the money to press the issue in court. If you want government muscle behind anything you gotta pay for it and its not a cheap endeavor but it can and is doable. You must have an actual copyright though, i.e. it must be a registered work to be able to use the court system effectively. And you need a good lawyer.

B&D Pleasures: Ive not seen Binding Intruder, how resent is it? I have to admit Ive not watched Bill Majors stuff since Malibu Bondage, I think the title was circa 1995ish (this is a cure for insomnia bigtime), but I've heard tell they have gotten much more radical in resent times. Check out At Knifepoint and At Knifepoint 2. They look pretty good. Some of their old stuff was really good too. School Dayz was one Ive talked about previously. Another I recall was Tough Task, with a buxom red head (dont remember her name), was very well done. A lot of very heavy bondage and tit bondage. Its consensual, but the girl plays a reporter in over her head and plays it to a tee. Bill does probably some of the best rubber band tit bondage Ive seen in TT, which is what inspired the final scene in Misadventures of Lois Payne. The gal has an enormous set of cans with massive pink nips which become so engorged and swollen from the mountain of rubber bands on them they look like they are going to pop. Its pretty freaky...Anyway, MLP has a similar theme (reporter, etc.) so this movie was definitely an inspiration.

Mr.?: Brandi Dukes hasnt done any work that I'm aware of outside of working for me.

Ok, thats it for now, happy T-day=)


Monday, November 24th 2003 - 12:02:13 AM

Name: nycdom30
E-mail address: normaldom@aol.com

Nice to hear from you Rick!

What is Bitter Sweet Persuasion about?

Who is in it?


Monday, November 24th 2003 - 04:28:43 PM

Name: Mad Dog
E-mail address: jazzproductions770@hotmail.com

Wow, I go a while without checking the board and all hell breaks loose. Well at least people are posting on a more regular basis, BUT IF YOU GUYS DONT SETTLE DOWN I AM GOING TO HAVE TO KICK SOME ASS

I am just kidding with all of you. Ralphus quick put up some more pictures to distract everybody with.

Christina Anderson was by far my favorite one to work with up here. She was really super nice and beautiful as well. Not to mention she had the most prettiest eyes you have ever seen (no, really, I was looking at her eyes).

Brandi Dukes - Didnt work with her at all, I was gone that day, but I would have to say that I like those big tits. Within reason of course. Sticking basketballs inside of there is overkill.

Now about that thread...What do you mean it is done? I didnt get a chance to chime in. Do'h, Oh well it is not the first time that I have missed oppurtunities in my life

Peace All
Mad Dog

Monday, November 24th 2003 - 06:44:21 PM

Name: Dave Darke
E-mail address: davedarke@davedarke.com
Homepage URL: http://www.davedarke.com


You can email me at this address:


Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I have been out of town on business.

Dave Darke

Monday, November 24th 2003 - 08:08:32 PM

Name: Scribbler

Interesting to see Silent Buddha's comments about superheroine peril sites. Guess I pretty much agree with his assessments. I actually have been in contact with Rysling of superheroines.com, since the demise of my free site with a similar name, and I think you're going to be seeing even greater strides in superheroine peril photo story content and other things as time marches on. I was at the 3 girl photo shoot for the current story 'Mission Failure," the story's his but I contributed some ideas and assistance. Some of the other things we're discussing is pretty darn cool. I personally think superheroines.com has the best quality images.

Superheroines' Demise is pretty good peril site too. They have the best wrestling move type fighting photos of any of the sites. I wish they did more bondage (bondage like we like it) and had more nudity.

SHC has some cool stuff, but not enough to get me to join (based on the free images). Too much poser art. I just can't get myself to pay for poser art. The other comic art is good. Video content seems good (based on the free teasers). The cycling of content off the site after 8 weeks is a big downside to me, and another reason I didn't join.

Speaking of superheroine video, I was watching Ballista 3. Kinda like Lisa's, Ballista's, rape on the table. The anal dildo penetration, if it is fake as we're told it is, is pretty darn convincing (as is the vagina dildo penetration). I really want to ask Rick how he does those effects, but I'm guessing he won't tell me. Guess I'll have to keep studying it! It's a good scene, and the breast groping part I like too.

nycdom30:check the archives and search for "bitter." Bitter Sweet Persuasion, formerly named Bitter Sweet 2000, is like a homage to CalStars (HOM) Bittersweet Revenge movie. RIck's posted about it before. Aren't you glad Ralphus keeps archives! The only thing you missed is the cool preview photos Ralphus was posting awhile ago.

Hey Rick, you spelled "Vacum" correctly, is that the new title! I see we have no reviews of Fair Warning and Drifters. Since they're on DVD, would be useful to have. All the new DVD releases, even of old movies, should have reviews. Who could we possibly get to do them? :)

Tuesday, November 25th 2003 - 12:31:41 AM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html#dri

Scribbler: A review of Drifters is at the URL above. Honestly, it's a better film than the C+ grade I gave it, but I probably docked it a half grade because of Lisa's pigtails. Just my personal prejudice.

The Gimp is the only one I remember who reviewed Fair Warning, and it was just a capsule review right here:

Various ZFX reviews

Interestingly, Rick just announced that the movie had been "deflashed" and the sound remixed, which were two of The Gimp's complaints in his review. I recall someone here complaining that the constant strobing throughout the tape was distracting (although I wasn't the one to say it, Rick) and maybe that's why it was fixed. I had a somewhat lukewarm reaction to the tape when I first saw it, although it's been years and I don't remember a lot about it. I do recall that it was Chandra Sweet's first appearance for ZFX, and she's pretty and blonde, and she gets gang-raped in a field by a bunch of guys wearing monster masks, and later shocked and raped by Travis Lee. Plus it was nearly 2 hours long, so there's a lot to see. It was a pretty ambitious project by Rick, heavy on atmosphere, and one I would like to watch again now that the strobing effects have been removed.

BTW, I may be wrong, but I was thinking that Chandra never had any rape scenes other than the ones in this movie. Hard to believe with as many appearances as she made for ZFX, but can anyone name even one more?

Oh, and count me as someone else who is curious as to how Rick pulls off those "penetration" rape scenes, like the one Scribbler mentioned, without showing real penetration. It's an impressive effect. Is it a computer trick? Come on, Rick, tell us!

Tuesday, November 25th 2003 - 08:49:51 AM

Name: mr?

Maybe this might be the answer to the penetration trick... Some close up shots could be those prosthetic vaginas we see advertised in magazines. Sometimes the close ups of the organs look too well shaved & donīt move or squirm. No stubble. Good trick in any case.

I did another search on Brandi....Some sites turned up with her name high lighted, I opened the site & it was a trick! Every other pornstar but Brandi... :( Some savvy web masters did their homework. it just proves that....BRANDIīS HOT!

signing out...smut detective,Mr?.

Tuesday, November 25th 2003 - 11:25:15 AM

Name: nycdom30
E-mail address: normaldom@aol.com

Thanks for the info Scribbler. I found the post in the September achieve.

Is Kim Noble still in it?

Anyone got a picture of Suzi?

How about posting those preview pictures again!

Tuesday, November 25th 2003 - 03:57:38 PM

Name: g-in-o

Scribbler: I've always assumed that the Lisa on a stick scene in "Ballista-2" scene was the real thing, a preview of what we saw she was capable of in "Dirty Dreams." If its not, (the scene I am talking about is when she is lowered on to the dildo by the "lab assistants") it is very well done. Also, if its not, I'm not sure I want to know..

Rick: No matter how you spell it, Vaccum is one of Lisa's best. Thanks for adding it to the DVD list.

Mad Dog: Throw me a bone! How is Kelly McKay like to work with?

Tuesday, November 25th 2003 - 06:57:37 PM

Name: Iago

Mad Dog: Hey, I'm good at stirring up trouble while looking like a good guy. It's what us Shakespearean villains do :P Tell ya what: Send Christina along to mete out the punishment. Mmmmm....Christina.

Scribbler: It's interesting to see how impressions line up. I haven't tried superheroines.com yet, but think I'll sign up later in the week. I like what I see in the preview. Also, I think SHC has pretty good movies sometimes. It's a big strength of theirs. A twist in the story is that DanO recently broke with Media9 and took SHC "private" again. It'll be interesting to see what happens there now that it is his only concern again.

nycdom: What's this? Kim Noble in Bittersweet Revenge? Do we have confirmation on this? I loved her in her ZFX appearences.



Tuesday, November 25th 2003 - 08:25:22 PM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html


Boy, this has to be ZFX's most eagerly awaited new release in years, if the popularity of these stills is any indication. I get e-mail requests all the time from people who missed them when they were first posted. So this seems like a better solution.

Come and get 'em!






And even if you got them the first time, grab 'em again, since I had to resize them initially to fit them on the board, and these are full-sized here.

I'll keep these up as long as I can, before I run out of free storage space, or until AOL finds out what I'm doing with my free storage space, throws a hissy fit and pulls them on their own.

Tuesday, November 25th 2003 - 08:35:12 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex


Leave it to you, Rick, to chime in with the most thoughtful response. I got pretty tired of people calling me a thief for what I see as completely ethical behavior.

Yes, of course I can see your points about supporting the artist. But it's also true that technological innovations are a reality which artists need to successfully master.

To me, it all comes down to providing convenience for the customer. No, I don't have the money to willy-nilly buy videos. Even if I was rich, I would still see doing so as wasteful. For every ten tapes I rent, usually only one is something I would even want to keep a copy of, and even then, it's usually just one scene or two from the tape and not the whole thing. Even your tapes, Rick. We all have different tastes, and the quality just isn't always there. I want to sample tapes and keep the ones I like, that's the bottom line. So, what's the best way to accomplish that?

Time-shifting is a convenience I need. I rent a lot of tapes at once because I know most of them will suck, and because I don't have the time to travel to the specialty video store on a daily basis. So I rent 'em, dub 'em, and watch these samples when I have free time.

Keeping only what I want from the samples I watch is also a convenience I need. The economic trick is to make purchasing more or equally cost-effective than dubbing copies. If I could go to the video store and rent ten movies for the usual $3 bucks each, and then when I returned them, say to the proprietor, "I would like to keep a copy of this one, and from this other one, I would like to have a copy of the second scene, that girl was hot. The rest of them, forget it." And if he could burn them for me and charge me a price much closer to my dubbing costs, sure I'd go for it.

Anyway, the whole reason why I am reviving this thread, just once - well, there are two reasons, every dog must have its day and I want Maddog to have his :) - is because I have a quick question for you, Rick, or anyone else who thinks they know the laws on this. Rick, it sounded like you understood the laws surrounding this, so let me ask you: If I have to type a paper for school or for work, and I go to the public library and check out a copyrighted book, then decide that I would really like to keep a copy of one of the chapters because when I'm writing the paper at home it will help me as source material, so I head over to the copy machine and make a photocopy of that chapter and keep it ... what is legally wrong with that? I thought that was called fair use. It's for my own personal use. I have returned the copyrighted work to the library, undamaged. How is this any different from renting a videotape, copying a scene off it for my own use, and returning the tape to the store? Is there a legal difference, and if there is, what is it?

That's why I think you guys are crazy for calling me a thief. Isn't it the exact same situation? I'm really asking seriously, I want to understand this stuff. You guys are driving me crazy by not seeing how normal and analogous this is. Rick, if you know that there is a difference, can you explain it? Thanks.


Tuesday, November 25th 2003 - 09:34:57 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex

Ralphus, I really liked that pose in the second one, that bowed body hanging from the ceiling. Yum.


Tuesday, November 25th 2003 - 09:41:07 PM

Name: Silent_Buddha

Scribbler - I had completely forgotten about Superheroines Demise. Decent site, but not quite what I'm looking for, so far Superheroines.com comes the closest to what I'm really looking for. Now if he can just make video's of the quality of his photo's. :)

Ralphus - BIG BIG HUGE BIG HUGE Thanks for the repost of those preview pics. I missed them the first time around. Suzi Sexton is looking pretty good in this one, I'm waiting with drool breath for this one. :) And any others Rick releases.


Wednesday, November 26th 2003 - 01:49:53 AM

Name: Scribbler

I gave the link to the US copyright site before. Here's a more specific link to them regarding fair use...

Don't know if that helps explain things or not. Probably the best thing to do is go to the video rental place and talk to the manager and say "hey, I'm renting these 10 movies all at once so that I can tape them on blank VHS tapes and then watch them anytime at my convenience, that's OK right, it's timeshifting?" I'm sure he'll say "Sure, no problem." If he doesn't, you can call him stupid. If you're not happy with his answer, you could try asking a media attorney, or better yet, go to your local police station or the FBI. Ask the FBI guy "Hey, I regularly rent a bunch of movies from rental places and tape them on blank video tapes, so I can watch them when I want, you know, timeshifting. That's OK, right? It's fair use, right? and it's a lot cheaper than buying them." I'm willing to bet he'll say "Oh absolutely, that's perfectly fine and ethical. There is that FBI warning on most DVDs and VHS movies sold that goes something like...

FBI WARNING Federal law provides severe civil and criminal penalties for the unauthorized reproduction, distribution or exhibition of copyrighted motion pictures, video tapes or video discs. Criminal copyright infringement is investigated by the FBI and may constitute a felony of up to five years in prison and/or a $250,000 fine.

...but don't worry about that, they just include that text at the start of movies cause it looks nice." And if he doesn't say that it's perfectly fine and legal, you can call him stupid.

Truth is bondage video producers make way too much money. Say an adult store buys a video from a bd video producer for $28 (that retails for $40), and then rents it to say 200 guys over the course of the year for $3 each, who all tape it for themselves and have their own copy (so why buy it), that's a whopping $600 bucks to the store, and a whopping $28 to the producer. Now if even half, 100 of those guys, instead of renting, bought the video direct from the producer, that would be $4000 to the producer. What's $4000 versus $28 to the producer as far as contributing to the production of future BD tapes, or just making a living. $4000 vs $28, hmm, virtually no difference far as I can see. If Rick took either amount of money, $4000 or $28, as budget for another video, the resulting product would be virtually the same. Lisa can get buy on a salary of $1000 or $6 for her performance in it, either amount of compensation for however many hours of work would be fine with her.

Seriously, copyright law and the purpose behind it, protecting the rights of writers, songwriters, artists, video producers to generate income from the value of their creations is just a strange concept. They don't deserve any money for that, it should all be free. Small rental fees sure, for the stores that rent the tapes, they need to stay in business, but actually buying product so the actual creators, especially creators of worthwhile stuff, can stay in business, what's the point of that?

What really needs to be invented is a machine that can make copies of tangible products, just like VCRs copy movies? There's a digital camera I want that's like $1000. If I could rent the camera, run it through the machine that would copy it for $20 worth of materials (or whatever would be analogous to blank tape), then I could return the $1000 camera, and have my exact working copy of it for $20. Would be awesome for cars. $100 Ferrari anyone. So what if that doesn't help Sony pay for it's research and development, designers, scientists, engineers, huge factories and workers. Sony can go out of business for all I care. Whatever's convenient for me! Heck, for $20 I could make a few copies of it, always good to have backups.

OK, I went too far, didn't I, but I got on a roll. Excuse my sarcasm. Bottomline is that video producers would like to make as much money as possible from their video sales, and consumers of their videos would like to pay as little as possible for acquiring them, for various reasons. Copying machines are available that make duplicating movies easy. Renting or borrowing a movie and copying it is way cheaper than buying the movie, and as the number of movies we're talking about here increases so does the difference in cost between buying (more and more expensive) and copying (less and less expensive). Regardless of copyright laws, copying is going to happen a whole lot anyway, in these times. What each consumer has to decide for themselves, and be truthful with themselves about, is am I being fair and actually ethical to the content producers in the amount of stuff I buy versus copy. Zee, you have to decide that for yourself, as I and everyone else has to decide for themsselves. Even if the law were to say you can copy anything you want (it doesn't) or the law were to say copying anything is illegal (closer but not true either), all you can do is do what you think is right. Just remember the producer's work and sweat and wish to earn money in your assessment, along with your desire, and most consumer's desires, for paying as little as possible.

Wednesday, November 26th 2003 - 03:18:23 AM

Name: Iago

Hm. Kim Noble went blond? She still looks great, but I thought she look fabulous as a brunette. when was this movie shot? The original title looks like it had the year "2000" in it.

Wednesday, November 26th 2003 - 09:18:25 AM

Name: Mad Dog
E-mail address: jazzproductions770@hotmail.com

g-in-o - The only one that I din't work with up here was Brandi Dukes. Otherwise every one of the ladies were really nice to work with, not just because they were good actresses (ok some), but because they were really nice people. Kelly was super nice, I sat and talked to her between the monster shoots that Rick put us through(kidding).

But alas I have not seen any of them since the last time Rick was up here, and I think that had to been about three or four years ago. My memory fails me at this age.

Iago - Yah if memory serves me right you were the original asshole of this board. Dont worry everybody, Iago knows it is all tounge in cheek with me, although I didnt say which ladies tongue.

Hey Iago, lets drink a crap load of beers and see what we can post. It might not make sense but it would be a hell of alot of fun.

Take er easy everybody and if she is easy take her twice

Peace All
Mad Dog

Wednesday, November 26th 2003 - 02:22:02 PM

Name: AvF
E-mail address: Hollywood Vampire

Hey, don't argue with the Z-man. He may not be a lawyer but he knows exactly what the writers of the law's meant when they wrote them. Due in part to his uncanny telepligic powers.

Wednesday, November 26th 2003 - 09:34:02 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex

Okay, forget it. I guess masturbation does cause blindness after all (smile).

Scribbler, I know there is a point or two in there, but most of that is just gibberish. So I looked at the site you referred to and then went on a surfing rampage and it's crystal clear that what I am describing is perfectly legal, and that the Supreme Court in the Betamax case said there is a presumption that ANY (not just off-the-air) private copying is fair use. So not only is what I am doing MORE financially supportive of content producers than if I didn't have this ability, as I described earlier, but it's perfectly legal, and digital copying restrictions still suck.

Don't fall behind, everybody! Move on to the superior technology of analog video! :-) Wank in peace, brothers. Piss out. Back to merciless peril.


Wednesday, November 26th 2003 - 10:56:50 PM

Name: Scribbler

Well, that's just stupid! It just proves you don't know what you're talking about, you can't see the truth, your research is flawed, and no matter what you say, everyone else here knows better!

To state the obvious: Masturbation does NOT cause blindness, it causes hairy palms! :)

Thursday, November 27th 2003 - 12:21:46 AM

Name: Iago

Mad Dog, shh. Don't tell the newbies how long I've been causing trouble here. Heh, actually I never purposefully cause trouble, I'm just not shy about speaking my mind. Or typing my mind. Er, you know what I mean. It does seem to lead to trouble with an unsettling frequency though, now I think about it.

The beers sound good. Let me know if yer ever coming down DC way and I'll find us a good happy hour.

Now that I think about it I HAVE been around here since about 2 months after the board opened, though I come and go sometimes. Wow. Quite a while now.

Everyone else except the pustulant oozing sore that is Mad Dog when he's poking holes in my moral superiority (on this board I risk being laughed out of Dodge with a statement like that, I know), I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving (grin).

Peace and good eating!

Thursday, November 27th 2003 - 08:55:14 PM

Name: MAV

Hey all, I made contact with Ashley Renee through her yahoo club (she responds to most, if not all things) and asked her if she would ever consider doing more intense bondage movies like ZFX. To my surprise, she's not familiar with ZFX so I sent her a link to this page as well as to rick's main sites. So in case she lurks here like I hope she does, what would any of you do with her? Call me simplistic, but I would string Ashley up by her wrists, engage in some good ol' fashioned whipping (similar to Lisa Kinkaid's first scene in SOB4), and then take a taser to those ta-tas.

Friday, November 28th 2003 - 07:10:18 AM

Name: Iago

I'd think with someone who has been doing this as long as Ashley, and who seems to really be into the scene, I might ask what she liked to do. She'd probably give a dynamite performance for something that she enjoyed anyway.


Friday, November 28th 2003 - 10:43:18 AM

Name: RR
Homepage URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rrcomix/

> Masturbation does NOT cause blindness, it causes hairy palms!

Yah, but guess what happens when you rub your eyes with hairy palms? You betcha, blindness.

Friday, November 28th 2003 - 03:06:51 PM

Name: Scribbler

That's why I don't rub my eyes, I get a girl to do that. BTW, did you know that while it's perfectly legal to have a girl rub your eyes, it's illegal to pay her to do it. Or so I've heard.

Friday, November 28th 2003 - 04:34:19 PM

Name: RR
Homepage URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rrcomix/

Re: Ashley Renee--You'd probably love the photos, at my group, of Ashley being bound and gagged and manhandled by two guys. If you don't like Yahoo groups, it's your loss for now, but I'll be loaning the set to Ashley for her paysite, so you can always get a look at it there someday.

Friday, November 28th 2003 - 05:09:49 PM

Name: Scribbler

Ashley Renee--what would any of you do with her?

Hmm...I think I'd force her to do a photo shoot with RR. Maybe as early as this december, I'm thinking, like the first or second week. There'd be a lot of breast squeezing, bondage, and simulated coitus. Whipping's not a bad idea either. Then I'd force her to go out to dinner with him.

Seriously, as far as video goes, she's done suspension, clamps, dildos, whipping, etc. So She's done some intense stuff already. I'd like to see her team up with a different director (namely me) more for style of video look, production process, and not so much for what's being done specifically. The taser stuff is faked in ZFX, so that's easy enough.

Friday, November 28th 2003 - 05:55:37 PM

Name: pkcccc

Dave Darke is going to produce a movie which is great because there certainly is not much new happening in this arena, I welcome his contributions and hope he is succesful, however the model in his movie is a pure turn off for me when you see her tattoos. They should outlaw that stuff.

Saturday, November 29th 2003 - 03:45:32 PM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://www.davedarke.com/video.htm

pkcccc: Yeah, I saw that. Pretty girl otherwise, but I caught a look at the one pic and thought, Good God, that's the biggest tattoo I've ever seen! What in the world was she thinking? Let's see, I'm gorgeous, I have a cute face, blonde hair, curvy body, big tits...but there's something missing. I know! I'll cover half my body with the biggest, loudest tattoo I can find! Yeah, that will firmly establish myself as a freakgirl to everyone who sees me in the nude.

Sorry honey, but you just lost a sale to this potential customer, unless Dave shoots your entire vid from the waist up. Too bad, because she sure looks nice with duct tape on her mouth.

Saturday, November 29th 2003 - 08:17:07 PM

Name: AvF
E-mail address: Hollywood Vampire

Yeaugh, my sentiment's exactly.

She looks super hot otherwise. Especially the shot with the mouth spreader gag.

Tatoo's are a real killer for ending the fantasy with me. And almost, but to a lesser degree (depending on where they are) are piercings (her nipples in this case).

I hope it dosen't sound like we are picking on Dave, 'cause we aren't. If you go back through the history of the forum, there are plenty of mention's concerning the dislike of tatoo's. Maybe the next video will have more to offer us tatoo haters.

Looks good other wise Dave. Later.

Saturday, November 29th 2003 - 08:34:16 PM

Name: Dan Hawke
E-mail address: danhawke@dan-hawke.com
Homepage URL: http://dan-hawke.com

Hey, GIMPers:

Been a long time since I posted here. Haven't been lurking, have just been working hard on several fronts.

I've been thinking of a complilation DVD (probably not going to be available on VHS) This would include great scenes from past videos. Some which may have been overlooked. There are wild scenes in some older videos and I would probably concentrate on those. I would re-edit them to clean and tighten them up a bit. I would make the DVD about 2 hours long.

I would probably charge a bargain price for this particular product.

What do you all think?

Another thing I've been working on is some technical assistance with Dave's first video. I even make a brief appearance at the beginning, though it's really his video.

Like everyon else who's commented, I am not a fan of tatoos either. However the model in this upcoming video is so hot that I agreed with Dave that she was worth making an exception for. Some of you may know this is the model billed as "Seven" on insex. She is going by a new name which may appear for the first time on Dave's video.

I think you might want to look past the tatoo on this one! This gal is very hot!


PS: recent posts on this board have been really supportive of myself and the other producers who read this board.

Saturday, November 29th 2003 - 11:09:12 PM

Name: nycdom30
E-mail address: normaldom@aol.com


Let me add my voice to those who dislike tattos. I know this is becoming more trendy of late but I personally find them to be very unattractive. I just don't get the appeal.

When watching a video, if you are going to have a storyline to the vid, a tatto can really hurt. Like say our victim is a nurse or cheerleader? I don't expect a big ass tatto on someone like that.

Tattos usually signify low class, not to insult those who have tattos but that is how its looked upon. I personally like my video victims to be the innocent types. Not tramps and hookers.

That's my two cents. I would say the when looking to buy a vid, how hot the girl looks is usually my #1 consideration. So when I see tats I usually pass.

I can not wait for bittersweet pesusasion!

Saturday, November 29th 2003 - 11:18:49 PM

Name: Mr?

Tatoos...I recently saw a behind the scenes documentary about porn biz. The trend now is girls with no tats. Girls with tats usually get cast as "bad girls".

Thanx for the continued vidcaps of HS, Ralphus!

Sunday, November 30th 2003 - 08:03:28 AM

Name: Dave Darke
E-mail address: davedarke@davedarke.com
Homepage URL: http://www.davedarke.com

Fellow Gimpers,

I generally have mixed feelings about tattoos on women. I suppose it depends a lot on the particular woman, the setting, and the mood I happen to be in at the time.

For example, if I am in the mood to watch the torture and humiliation of some trashy slut, then by all means, bring on the tats. I figure the woman has been around the block a few times and got a small taste of pain when she got her tattoo, so let's see how she handles some real discomfort. Maybe I don't like the tattoo and it pisses me off--all the better reason to make her day miserable.

On the other hand, if the setting calls for a sweet, sexy, innocent babe who somehow landed in the wrong place at the wrong time, then tattoos might seem a little out of place.

My feeling is, some women wear their tattoos well and others don't. The popularity of tattoos and other forms of body modification has skyrocketed in the past few years, and sometimes you have to go with the flow. I don't have a blanket objection to tattoos on women per se, I just think they need to be viewed in a broad context (no pun intended).

My first video features a super hot model named Seven who has a fairly large tattoo on her hip. Let me tell you, that model has such a gorgeous body, with beautiful tits and a perfect ass, that the tattoo is the last thing I would notice. The tattoo is actually a rather nice piece of artwork with personal meaning for her, and she is justifiably proud of it.

Let me put it this way. I would much rather look at a gorgeous woman who happens to have a tattoo than a plain Jane without tats. Just my 2 cents.

Dave Darke

Sunday, November 30th 2003 - 09:06:08 AM

Name: JoeX

I saw some interesting looking videos at www.hiddenpleasures.com, and I was wondering if anyone here has tried any of them. If so, what did you think?

Joe X

Sunday, November 30th 2003 - 04:04:23 PM

Name: ap61

Does somebody know if there are any bastinado scenes in the zfx films? thanks

Sunday, November 30th 2003 - 04:11:57 PM

Name: pkcccc

I did not intend to stir the pot, just expressing my opinion. Just like I prefer white panties on the victim, makes them look innocent and like a everyday prude.

Sunday, November 30th 2003 - 04:56:05 PM

Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://www.hiddenpleasures.com/hp/short010.htm

JoeX: I'd been to the Hidden Pleasures website before, but I just went there again and checked it out pretty thoroughly. They do have some potentially interesting stuff available in their tapes, like outdoor scenes, suspension videos and even some nooseplay. What intrigued me the most were a few stills in their gallery of a brunette bound in barbed wire. Yowch! Those were pics 43, 44 and 45. But I searched the stills on all their tapes and couldn't figure out what tape those were taken from. Now, barbed wire bondage sounds pretty painful, and something I haven't seen before. There was also a shorter tape there called "To the Point" that looks like it features a barbed wire hogtie. Their tapes seem a bit pricey, but right now they are 40% off, so it's tempting.

ap61: Bastinado scenes in ZFX vids? Nope, you might want to look specifically for foot fetish videos for scenes like that.

Dan Hawke: Nice to see you posting again. A Best of Dan Hawke compilation sounds like a killer idea, but good luck trying to cram your best scenes into a 2-hour DVD. Too much good footage, not enough time. Sounds like an editing challenge to me. And putting it out at a special price should make it a must-have for anyone who is curious about your work and wants to sample it. I say bring it on!

Sunday, November 30th 2003 - 07:01:19 PM

Name: zee-ef-ex

Tatoos: Prefer no tats, they're usually pretty ugly. If a woman is going to have one, then by god be subtle! Why do people get those HUGE tats, they're hideous, they mar the body so badly.

Piercings: Again, subtlety is key. I happen to like nipple rings, and belly rings, yum. Nose rings or studs, almost never. Eyebrows? If it's really small and subtle. Clit or labia rings, nah...

FWIW, I don't see tats or percings as saying "This is not an innocent woman, a cheerleader" or whatever. But I do see GARISH, HUGE, UNNECESSARILY OVERBEARING tats and piercings as saying that. If any ladies read this board, please, with piercings and tats, a little goes a long way, and sometimes too far. Better to err on the side of too small and too few than too much.


Sunday, November 30th 2003 - 09:08:52 PM

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