“February is the uncertain month, neither black nor white, but all shades between by turns.Nothing is sure.”
As we end this cycle and start taking the steps for the new one, we are becoming sadly aware that we are too dependent on the crucifixion genre, which Jac the director truly loves, but that it has a limited fan base, in numbers, that is. And when that fan base shows NO interest in future films, then the Producer in him thinks that it’s time to move on and take other roads.Thanks for the update. It’s sad you don’t have contributors for these new films. I read a post about another Maleficarum film. When are you gonna shoot it? What is it gonna be about?
Cruxlover24: Just found this picture of Dani. She looks so beautiful and evil!!!
JDArts: Personally, I find Simonne more attractive, but I admit that Dani is also very pretty.
We are working on the CruXbound Series. One of them has Dani as the lead victim role, another will have Mila as the suffering protagonist. In the one with Dani, Mila is the one torturing her. Dani will be Mila’s torturer when Mila’s turn to suffer comes. The other two CruXbound movies have Ligia in one of them, as the protagonist who suffers extreme tortures at the hands of our Director and Simonne in the other, who is subjected to torments worthy of the inquisition.Cruxlover24: Any new details about the new films you are working with Mila and Dani? They both together are fantastic!
Originally, there was an idea proposed by two people who wanted to have a Female Christ movie, there was a basic script and some money involved. Jac accepted the proposal and in consultation with the two new associate producers, he embarked in fundraising, writing the script and preparing the production. There were a good number of things in the original idea that had to be trim down to what was actually possible to do with the budget that was raised. During the campaign some possible scenarios were mentioned, most of which are in the film, some bits did not make it to production for different circumstances.Cruxlover24: For what I’ve been reading in this thread there were things that were promised for Seditiosa, and some were disappointed about those promises not kept.
I believe that there’s the tendency of putting one’s own expectations in a movie, any movie. One hopes to see one’s own fantasies at play and it is disappointing when it doesn’t happen that way. It’s better to appreciate a movie for what is there and that’s it. Not compliant about what is not there. That’s a waste of emotions. However, I can understand why a few absent details can affect a person’s expectations negatively.JDArts: For me, Seditiosa is a perfect film. It’s the most faithful and best-constructed female Christ of all the ones I’ve seen. I don’t understand why others found it disappointing?
We don’t use real blood. That would be gross. So we have to use litters and litters of fake blood, which is called Stage Blood, that’s the technical name, and it is generally used in all movies and television series where blood is needed to appear. Either in great quantities or tiny drops running down a nose.Spiros: Only disappointment for me was the fake blood covering the naked bodies on the cross.
The director is not new to crucifixions. A little research will show that. The first crucifixion he worked on was in a Docu-Drama about Haiti. A young couple are crucified in an sugar cane field. That is his first film which had a premiere at the Cannes Film Festival, the writer Graham Greene was present at the premiere. He invited Jac for drinks at his home in Antibes. That film was released in 1988.Cruxlover24: My boyfriend and I loved the movie, I was not aware of the campaign as I knew about the director after this film. For me was good, it has some issues, but I guess maybe he is new in doing crucifixions. Anyways, we loved the movie
It was discussed before that once the production starts, priorities, plans, ideas, etc. might change. A lot of things can happen during production, particularly in extremely low budget productions, where somethings cannot be done the way they were planned. Even million dollar productions suffer problems during production.wanttoknowmore: There is a discussion of the film itself in the “Seditiosa” thread.
For me, the biggest issues were the complete removal of the promised (during fundraising) dialogue from and between the crucified women, and the unnecessary hair bra on Simonne.[
Shooting the crucifixion scenes was very, very difficult. It was sunny but cold, very cold. The Crucified Three had to suffer for a very long time without any kind of help while the cameras were rolling. That was difficult enough, but having to suffer the cruel whipping up on their crosses for a very long time was even harder than everything they did before.JDArts: For me, it was beautiful how they whipped them while they were still crucified and tore off their loincloths with whips until they were bloodied and vulnerable.
If there was one thing I would have liked to see, it would have been Yahel/Simonne’s loincloth falling off, leaving her completely naked like her friends (and I’m a huge fan of loincloths).
Otherwise, it’s an excellent movie.
During Yahel’s (Simonne) crucifixion, there are plenty of times where her breasts are exposed, depending on how she moves during her agony up there.wanttoknowmore said: A hair bra is the long hair that covers her chest throughout the film.
JDArts: Ahh, you were talking about her hair covering her breasts
But it wasn’t in the entire movie, only during the crucifixion.
In the whipping and procession scene, she did show her breasts.
Yes, they are awesome and beautiful women that work amazingly well together and give a lot of themselves to their work. They are proud of that. They shine on every single shot in Seditiosa, regardless of where their hair goes.Cruxlover24: They all showed their beautiful breasts and look extremely beautiful and amazing. The cast was awesome, three beautiful women that work really good together!
Maybe there were other scenes that were planned, thought of, that were in the script but were never shot. That always happens, in all productions, be they expensive, no budget, extremely low budget. It happens.Crux-Emperor Baracus X: Yes really disappointed that this excellent scene wasn’t included, as such….. I found Mila’s (original) loincloth quote alluring.
Actually, the scene where Sol talks to Simonne, while Camila and Ligia are in front of Dani and Mila, was not deleted. There’s a Long Shot that was filmed on the first day the crucifixion scene was recorded, where the three women stand in front of the crucified three. The shot was not used because when it was filmed the crucified three were still wearing their loincloths and the dialogue between Sol and Simonne takes place AFTER they have been whipped, stripped and tortured with lances while agonizing on the cross. The scene was not deleted, it is there, only that one long shot was not used. The close ups of Sol, Ligia, Camila licking the victims blood, Sol and Simonne talking to each other, it is in the film as it was filmed.JDArts There’s the video where you can see the deleted dialogue. Perhaps Jac cut those scenes because the film was getting too long.
I learned he deleted a scene where the three crucified women were talking to the three who were saved.
I don’t think a line of dialogue missing, which upsets one or two individuals, affects everyone; most people, 99.9% don’t even know about the supposedly missing dialogue. People who purchase the film do it on its merits, not on the perception of something missing by someone.Cruxlover24: Maybe we can ask the cast what happened, why they didn’t do that.
Maybe they just didn’t do it, or they didn’t want to do it at all! I’ll look for those rehearsals as I didn’t know about them.
wanttoknowmore: Both of your statements could be true. However, if you say you are going to do it when looking for support, then don’t, do not be surprised or disappointed when support for your next project is lacking.
Cruxlover24 Makes senses, maybe that’s the reason why there’s no support for this new project.
During Simonne’s nailing her hair was moved back. When she was raised and taken to the post, the hair was behind her back. When the crown was placed back on her head, the hair was behind her shoulder, when the ropes were pulled to raise Yahel up her hair was still behind her shoulder, but at one point she lowered her head and some of her hair fell over her chest. The scene was not going to be stopped because of that, all the attention was on how the scene was moving and how Simonne was reacting, not where her hair was going.wanttoknowmore: A couple things –
First, if Simonne’s hair was initially place behind her shoulder’s when the crown of thorn’s was re-applied before her raising, there is NO WAY with it’s length and thickness that any head movement would have gotten that much hair forward. Not to mention it could have been shorter in the first place. The hair length and placement were IMHO deliberate calls, especially given the crux scene in Justine. which has the same hair covering affect
The promo video with the famous dialogues was made in the studio, under full control of everything, the lights, the sound, the time, everything, and in separate days for each of the actresses. All of it with one crew, Jac, doing the camera, sound, lights, directing the actresses. He could have them repeat their lines of dialogue as many times as he felt it was necessary for that to come out ok. It was a controlled environment.wanttoknowmore: Second, I concur that a small budget will require cutbacks – less of a “crowd”. no true citadel, fewer props. However, we are talking about dialogue on a scene that is already staged. There is little if any cost to film that.
69 Anneé Érotique was a project that began pre production at the beginning of 2022, long before there were any plans for Seditiosa. The actual production started in November 2022, there were already commitments made, particularly with the club where the scenes of the All Girls Rock Band were going to be shot. The club closed for the two or three nights we needed to shoot there. All on Mondays. The club was sponsoring those scenes in exchange for the publicity it was going to get. It included drinks for the cast, crew and the extras; however, Jac had a couple of bottles of Havana Club rum at hand, just in case.wanttoknowmore: Lastly, I agree that filming outdoors, especially with nude scenes, in the middle of winter does make things difficult. Not just temp -wise, but fewer hours of and less intense/bright daylight. That is why the fact that you folks used Jan-Mar (after the money from the fundraising site was available) to produce the 69 movie -which was shot indoors – so aggravating. At the very least, the crux scenes should have been shot in those months.
No issue with any actress not wanting to do a full nude scene. Her call.
Promotional materials are not promises, they are just that, promos. What we set out to do was a film with a Female Christ scenario where the main character, Yahel, would end up on the cross.Cruxlover24: Hope this time they keep their promises and, as suggestion, to have better effects for the nailing.
Ligia will have her time up on the cross, she already had a couple of intense experiences on the cross. There are at least two new videos with Ligia in post production, but she’s eagerly waiting for her role as the slave that gets crucified three times, one for every crime she’s accused of, runaway slave, thief, assassin. One of those crucifixions she will suffer upside down. That’s in the Crucified Four movie, of course.JDArt: Watching the video where Ligia and Sol climbed onto the crosses, I dream of the moment when Sol Vargas can join us for future Crux films.
For now, that won’t be possible, as she’s away at university.
However, I haven’t lost faith in the possibility of seeing her return in a few years and starring in one or more Crux films.
We’re not asking for a retainer before doing anything, that’s just silly, we are already doing a lot with the goal of making the film. Jac went back to the location, recently, to make a deal with the people there, he walked to the one spot from where he could look over the place to see how it was and it was different, grassy.wanttoknowmore: I agree with part of this – people are not willing to support a movie they don’t see ever being made. Asking for a $40K retainer before doing anything is a bit high of a mark. Maybe split the projects up. I don’t buy the economy angle. The buy in is not $1000. There are other reasons.
The film is done, it was released over a year ago. What we can consider is having one of the Crucified Four be removed from her cross… or maybe two of them… or maybe three of them… who knows, everything is possible in a new production.AWHR037 Well I think I am late for this conversation lol, but have you ever thought about adding a scene depicting removing Yahel or others from the cross lol I mean it may be a fitting end to them.
JDArts: Seeing the premise of Ligia being crucified three times makes me want to see a movie based on Saint Eulalia of Barcelona. I know there’s a movie called “Martyr,” which was inspired by Saint Eulalia, but it’s a far cry from the original story.
I’d like to see a movie about the 13 martyrdoms of Saint Eulalia in the future.
Martyr, or The Death of St Eulalia, is a film set in modern times, with Carmen playing Camille, an actress model who wants to recreate the martyrdom of St Eulalia, going through all of the tortures she believes the martyr went through.Loinclothslave: I think the entire forum would love to see a movie about St Eulalia of Barcelona!
Jac first had the idea of making a film about St Eulalia in the early 80’s. He was in Cuba, working on his Haiti project, recreating some scenes from colonial times in Haiti, he was also doing the editing there and the recording of the music. He had the entire Cuban Symphony Orchestra doing the music for him. Some of the laboratory work was done there as well. Those were the times of expensive production and… celluloid!stepnash: I totally agree and it would be fairly easy to do, needing only a few soldiers and the governor, it seems the main problem is the fact that she was very young, about 13 or 14 years old, it should be possible to make it realistic perhaps as a religious project.
Cruxlover24 Dani or Mila would be fantastic for the role!
JDArts I like Simonne more for the role of Saint Eulalia
Loinclothslave: The age part is easily fixed by just making her a little older. Just an innocent devout woman in her 20’s
Cruxlover24: Would be awesome to see Dani suffering in such uncomfortable and painful positions. I found some nice pictures of her. Here at home we are her fans.
I have to admit that there was a lot of pressure about the timeline, but most of it was in some way absorbed by me since I was the go between. I didn’t want to add to the normal pressure Jac was going through with the work itself.Iconoclast12: I didn’t have any issues with the timetable. If anything, I thought there was too much pressure on you to get things finished sooner. Art can’t always just be churned out in the ways some folks wanted. It also was probably challenging that three of us main investors had differing views on things, and that can be hard to reconcile.
We are immensely grateful for your support and inspiration to make Seditiosa. Don’t hesitate to send me your ideas, opinions and we’ll be updating you as a great supporter of our work, we can spoil you and the principal backers of Seditiosa some more.Iconoclast12: I’d financially support these current projects beyond what I’ve already given, but I’m all tapped out after investing in Seditiosa. It’s just not something I can afford again. All of this was a learning experience, and I really enjoyed the process of watching the movie come together and the experience of working with you, Margot. I’ve felt spoiled to get these updates from you over the years.
Saw you response to my message on your thread.
One other thing you need to address – that you folks have fixed whatever issue(s) that happened where folks who pre-ordered the Seditiosa film did not get their download code. A statement of what happened and how it was fixed would be great. (I was actually happy to see others had the problem – it wasn’t just me,)
Technical suggestions –
Have the arms less stretched on the crossmember (hands closer to center). That position will still be correct and be more stable, so the ladies will be mor able to bend their knees when crucified rather then just stand to maintain balance in the over-stretched position.
There are cheap small wireless mics available. Attach one to the cross by the crossmember so the victim can actually have dialogue from the cross. I know the lack there of was a major upset.
Please don’t have Simonne have hair covering her while on the cross and looking down the whole time. Bit of a disappointment in the Seditiosa film.
As for contributions – I am still in a wait and see mode. willing to provide some support beyond the minimum, but frankly still don’t trust that Jac won’t go wondering off to some other project before these are done – the release of the 69 film coming to mind.
With regard to “minor changes” – Referencing Seditiosa content – Not having different feet nailing positions, minor. Change to a group whipping scene versus what was first proposed, minor. Change in when the characters arrive at the posts (Simmonne was originally supposed to be arriving after one of the others was on her cross, the other being raised), minor. Not including the content of the dialogue short, which was a major fund raising inclusion – that was NOT a “minor revision”.
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