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October 2000
Name: Per
E-mail address: kelderek@hotmail.com
Comments: Regarding Insex videos: According to the people behind Insex, they are not planning any more videos. Insex is a strictly Internet operation. However, if you become a member of the site, you will have access to hours of RealMedia files of their sessions and live shows. So if you are looking for moving images of strict S/M, this is the place to go, even if the media is not video. Insex also offers live shows with member interaction broadcasted over the Internet. I have been an Insex member for a long time and can verify that this is a quality site, run by really nice people that have a genuine interest in S/M. And beleive me, everything you see there is real, nothing faked, nothing staged.
Sunday October 1st 2000 12:45:40
Name: xxnin
E-mail address: xning@aol.com
Comments: none
Tuesday October 3rd 2000 11:24:44
Name: Satan
E-mail address: satan@hades.net
Comments: Does anyone have any information on the movie "In The Days Of Whore"? I hear Kristi Myst is dunked in blood and anally gang raped in this picture. She has done some pretty edgy stuff lately for Extreme Associates.
Thursday October 5th 2000 11:45:22
Name: zee-ef-ex
Comments:

To: Rick

Re: Unclean hands

Here is the case information. Now that I have delivered, can I please borrow Lisa for a night? (smile)

2000 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 12116, *

DEVILS FILMS, INC., Plaintiff, -v.- NECTAR VIDEO a/k/a KISMA VIDEO, NILUPUL VIDEO, INC., and JOHN DOES

1-20, Defendants.

98 Civ. 8016 (JSM)

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK

2000 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 12116

August 17, 2000, Decided

COUNSEL: [*1] For DOE, DEVIL FILMS, INC., plaintiffs: Jules D. Zalon, Maplewood, NJ.

JUDGES: JOHN S. MARTIN, JR., U.S.D.J.

OPINION BY: JOHN S. MARTIN, JR.

OPINION: MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER

JOHN S. MARTIN, Jr., District Judge:

In a Memorandum Opinion and Order filed on November 13, 1998, the Court denied the plaintiff's application for an order of seizure and preliminary injunction on the grounds that it appeared from a review of a sample of the videotapes at issue that they were obscene. Presently before the Court is an application that the Court sign a consent final judgment and permanent injunction.

For the reasons stated in the November 13th order, the Court will not sign the proposed order. While the parties are free to settle their dispute and the defendant has apparently agreed to pay monetary damages, the Court will not aid and abet the plaintiff's pornography business by implicitly agreeing to use its contempt powers to punish the defendant from copying the plaintiff's pornography. The "unclean hands" doctrine "closes the door of a court of equity to one tainted with inequitableness or bad faith relative to the matter in which he seeks relief, however improper may have been the behavior of the defendant." Precision Instrument Mfg. Co. v. Automotive Maintenance Mach. Co., 324 U.S. 806, 814, 65 S. Ct. 993, 997, 89 L. Ed. 1381 (1945); [*2] see Henry L. McClintock, Handbook of the Principles of Equity ß 26, at 63 & n. 75 (2d ed. 1948).

This ruling is without prejudice to the right of the plaintiff to submit for review by the Court any videotapes which it believes are not obscene. In making such a submission counsel should bear in mind the requirements of Rule 11 and 28 U.S.C. ß 1927.

SO ORDERED.

Dated: New York, New York

August 17, 2000

JOHN S. MARTIN, JR., U.S.D.J.

Thursday October 5th 2000 11:50:26
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Hi all!

I've just been catching up on a lot of readings I've been missing oyut on the past period. Shortly after my last posting I went to the hosplital for what was supposed to be a routine check, but I ended up staying there for some serious surgery. I'll leave out the details, but I can say it was a close call.

Things have taken a turn for the better, and I was released a few days ago. Still have to take it easy, spend a lot of time resting, and unable to go to work.

But since only the GOOD die young, I expect a full recovery...:-)

'nuff 'bout this: I feel the need to share some thoughts about some off the past discussions.

First this reporter guy (forgot his name....sorry): I'm sure he means well, but I can't see any good reason to cooperate. Let's face it: all his chief wants is to sell newspapers. Nothin' wrong with that, but what's in it for us??? Even if we're not presented like this, the readers will be just as interested in us as they are in whatever else they find disgusting or repulsing. And even if wecould get some more understanding or acceptance (which I think we'll never get): Who needs that??? I for one don't. All I need (and have here in Holland) is tolerance and the liberty to do and view in the privacy if my own home whatever I want, regardless anyone's opinion.

Is Ms. Kinkaid into BD or isn't she??? Her statement was very clear. And furthermore: I don't care. Not about her or any actress. "Acting" is the keyword here. Even if an actress loves to be bound and whipped, it's fine by me, as long as it does not show on the tape!!! I really hate the "please whip me"-stuff. In the fantasy Rick is stageing for me (and all of us) girls DON'T like to be tied and tortured. That's the only reason to tie and torture 'em anyway.

Since I'm gonna have a lot of time on my hands in the near future, one of the first things I did as soon as I had the chance was to order a major stock of videotapes. Just as the dokter ordered!:-) 1/3 of theme are ZFX-titles. Here's the list. Mainly older titles, pre-slowmotion and pre-blood period.

- Reporter 2: Gangstarr - Disciple of pain - Liza Cord - Misadventures of Lois Pain - Tiffany Twisted 2 - Gangland 4 - Gangland 5 - Guinee Pigs 4 - Binding Contract - Hell Bound Any opinions??? Any "Hits", any "Misses"??? (yeah, I know...The misses get hit plenty!)

And just to satisfy your curiosity, since I know you all desperately wanna know: The rest of the titles are 10 BD- Classics from HOM, 5 older CallStarr titles, 1 London tape I once saw years ago, and still have some good memories about "The Captives", and 3 other HOM titles.

Wow...It's good to be back!

Greetings from Holland,

Damien

Saturday October 7th 2000 01:40:10
Name: AvF
E-mail address: HollywoodVampire@
Comments: Damien,

Glad your back and doing well. With all the vids you picked up to watch while you're recovering be careful you don't pop a stitch or two ;)

Later.

Sunday October 8th 2000 07:51:42
Name: Milo
Comments: Damien: I'd pass on Gangland 5 if I were you. I have it and it's really disappointing. Reporter 2: Gangstarr is OK, but I think you get better Monica in South of the Border 2. I've not seen any of them, but the Video Pirates series trailers look really interesting.
Sunday October 8th 2000 10:42:02
Name: Per
E-mail address: kelderek@hotmail.com
Comments: Damien, good to see you back and hope you recover quickly. I think the tapes you oredered will help you in recovering better than anything the doctors might prescribe!
Sunday October 8th 2000 12:23:26
Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com
Comments: In case anyone is interested in what Tabitha Jordan is up to, she is dancing at Ybor Strip and is activelly posting on www.stripclublist.com. I think I'd like to make a trip to Tampa.
Monday October 9th 2000 02:29:22
Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html
Comments: Damien: Welcome back to the board. We missed your input around here. Was the hospital stay related to your 13-tape marathon awhile back? I knew that would catch up to you eventually. :o)

Now that you have so much time on your hands, when can we expect some more reviews on those older titles? BTW, save "Lois Payne" and "Gangstarr" for last, because they are the best of the ZFX titles you ordered. And see how long it takes to get that generic HOM music out of your head after watching those Bondage Classics. Great material, but they are BEGGING for some dubbed-in screams!

Monday October 9th 2000 09:45:15
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: AvF: I'm sure there'll be some poppin', but it won't be stitche...:-) LOL

Ralphus: "I hereby promis to give reviews of each and every tape that arrives here that I think is worth reviewing".

Dubbed in screams in HOM's BD-classics??? Hmmm...I remember a TAO tape (I think it was Collectors series 1) where they did that...Not a great succes.

BTW; That music in the BD-Classics...anybody has any details on that??? What IS it?? Was it especially made for those tapes, or is it availabe on records??? Not that it's THAT goog, but I sort'a get a "Pavlov" respons whenever I hear it.

All: Thanks for the kind words

Damien

Tuesday October 10th 2000 07:36:09
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: This time I REALLY need your help:

A while ago, whhen my computer crashed, I lost all my bookmarks. I got back most of them, but there's one I'm still missing, and desperately would like to get back.

It's a link to a page with lots of pics from Sharon Montgomery, Georgia van Helsing, Renee Baker etc.

Many of these pics come rom tapes I'm priveliged enough to own, but some I don't have.

The setup of the page is as follows: We see the name of the actress, followed by a series of numbers. All you need to do is click on a number to see the pic.

I'm sure at least one of you fellow Bondage-fans has this page somewhere in his or her bookmarks. Please share it with the rest of us.

Damien

Tuesday October 10th 2000 10:31:35
Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Damien, The link is www.sirdarcy.net. Not much on updates, but most of those pics are still there. BTW: Lois Payne is in my top 3 ZFX vids of all time. The last part is AMAZING!!!
Tuesday October 10th 2000 10:56:54
Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus4@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html
Comments: Re: Dubbed-in screams in the HOM Bondage Classics

Actually, back in my old creative days, before I got a computer, I actually did attempt to add sound to some of my favorite HOM bondage loops. By using the audio dub feature on my editing decks, I used sound from other bondage tapes, including some of the audio from ZFX vids, to "re-create" the sound that was never there in those old 8MM loops. It is a slow, tedious process, trying to match action with just the right effect, but I was quite happy with the results, once I was finished. I sent a copy of them to a friend and he said he couldn't believe how different it was watching the same clips he already owned, but this time with matching sound. Some of those old HOM loops were really excellent, but I guess no one with the company wants to attempt to really expand on that material and try to better it. In fact, at least one of my favorite Bondage Classics was released on tape with certain scenes REMOVED from the original film! Apparently, even today they are watching their own ass, and certain things, even in a bondage film, are no longer PC enough to show in this day and age.

But that music, oh that music! As a joke, I once recorded some of the HOM music onto a cassette, and wrote on the outside, "Music To Tie Women Up By". Then I turned it on when me and my girlfriend were making out. We both burst out laughing! One of my favorite pleasant memories... :o)

Tuesday October 10th 2000 07:54:48
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: BBFan: Thanks, pal! This was the one I was looking for. And you're right about the updates. Still: A nice page to check out.

Damien

Wednesday October 11th 2000 10:33:14
Name: Damien
Comments: Just browsed through the japanese bondage section of http://www.game-port.com, my favorite dealer (superfast delivery, excellent service). Anybody who can recommend any of the titles listed there???

Damien

Wednesday October 11th 2000 12:21:07
Name: RR
Comments: Re: Ralphus & Bondage Classics

I can't recall any Bondage Classics having scenes removed. There was one where it was split between two tapes. That was the one where a ball-gagged dark-haired gal was sold to a guy that immediately started fondling her and trying to rip off her bra. He eventually threw her on a sofa, put her in a hogtie and fondled her some more. The scene stops at this point shortly after he starts to tie her to a bed with her legs pulled apart. The action on the bed continues on another tape.

Interestingly, the first couple TAO collections of silent films dubbed the reels with dialog and the mumphing of the bound women. It was a little more enjoyable than the elevator music of the HOM collections. I believe that those were music loops used by other porn films of that vintage.

Wednesday October 11th 2000 03:30:00
Name: Damien
Comments: RR and the darkhaired girl

The scene described by our friend RR is in one of the first (have to check witch one exactly) BC-tapes. It is meant as a preview. The comlete loop is found on BD Classics 16, "Bound and Delivered". It's one of my (Many, many....) HOM- Favorites, and not just because the girl's so cute, but especially because of the ending.......

Damien

Wednesday October 11th 2000 04:27:19
Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/pyromania44/redhot002.jpg
Comments: Re: Removed scenes in HOM Bondage Classics

Here's one example of HOM butchering their own work. I have an old HOM magazine with this description of one of the films they were selling:

"RED HOT B&D: Carole's mini-skirted teasing brings outdoor bondage torment! Her cruel captor starts a fire between her legs!"

Now I know that may sound like just a sexual metaphor, except the picture used to describe that film actually does show the girl spread-eagled on the ground, with a large amount of wood piled up between her legs, and a real fire blazing away! I put the URL to the picture on my Homepage URL above. Just click on it to see what I'm talking about. I also added a color pic from the same film; go to http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/pyromania44/redhot004.jpg

Anyway, that scene in the film may have sounded a bit dangerous, but it also sounded damned exciting, too! So when HOM released "Red Hot B&D" on tape as one of the Bondage Classics, I got it the first day it came out. Here I am watching, hoping to see something I've never seen before, when toward the end of the film, there was an awkward jump cut, then the film abruptly ended! No fire, just a quick little tease where you saw the wood between her legs, then The End. I was so pissed! I even wrote to HOM about it. Surprise! Never heard a thing back from them.

For 10 years, that was my Holy Grail, the one bondage scene I was dying to see. And this year, a friend of mine knew a friend who lived overseas, who actually had the original 8MM film of "Red Hot B&D". Suffice it to say, they managed to convert the film to tape, then converted the tape from PAL to NTSC, then sent it to me. Missing was approximately 3 minutes of footage, including the entire fire scene where the girl gets threatened with a burning stick, and another scene where the girl gets her pussy filled with a wooden dildo while tied to a tree. Both scenes were simulated, and I have no idea why HOM decided to remove either scene, other than they are cowardly and afraid of what today's generation would think of the work they used to put out. I'll tell you one thing, though. That particular loop was MUCH better than the truncated version they released on tape, and very few people will ever have the opportunity to see the film uncut, the way I saw it. That's a real shame.

Wednesday October 11th 2000 09:01:21
Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Regarding old HOM loops... I totally agree that HOM has taken out the best parts of those old loops. BC#1 includes a title called "rope Burn", which originally included a scene where the victim is hung upside down with her panties dug tightly through her crotch . Needless to say, that dcene is not included in the VHS tape. Also, BC#17 is not even offered anymore. It had one loop that I wanted to see called "The Pickup".

Unfortunately, my understanding is that HOM as an independent company no longer exists, and the rights belong to LDL, and we all know how cautious they are, so I don't hold out any hope that any of that classic stuff will be re-released. Too bad, since I think that kind of stuff would sell really well.

Well, Rick, if you're still open to ideas, maybe a vid devoted to classic HOM-style bondage would be something a lot of people would like to see.

Thursday October 12th 2000 10:14:01
Name: Damien
Comments: Rick: I fully agree with BBFan's posting. I for one sure would love to see ZFX doing HOM BD-Classics.BUT!! First of all, make the tapes YOU want to make! That's what started this whole ZFX-series in the first place! I even take the stuff I don't like (slowmotion, blood etc.) for granted, as long as there's enough stuff coming out that I DO like!

OK: here it is: Thanks for all you gave us so far, Rick!!! Looking forward to the next releases.

Damien (Hell...it isn't writen in stone that I always have to be negative!)

Thursday October 12th 2000 01:28:57
Name: RR
Comments: Re: HOM Bondage Classics

You've got good taste, BBFan. "The Pickup" is a fave of mine, too. I've even got an old loop that was an outtake of the that flick where the model was tied up in a chair and tormented. I can't believe that BC17 is no longer being offered. I don't really know why. There was nothing in the loops on that tape that wasn't done in the others and done rougher (like the suspended banging in BC1--Yowie!). BC17 has a bunch of my favorites. It has "Abducted" and that's about my favorite HOM loop (pretty brunette in pink hot pants outfit tied to chain link fence and fondled like crazy). "Rope Burn" is another big favorite (BC1) and my copy has the upside down suspension near the end after the blonde's breasts are tied, but I've got an older copy in the small exterior box format without the plastic cassette insert. It's possible they've cut it in later versions, but I can't figure that one out.

Ralphus, I'd forgotten that they cut Red Hot B&D short. A later tape included the missing part and it wasn't announced on the box. It'll a while to look up the number if you really need it. I have no idea why they broke it up like that. That's another loop that I liked a lot. The same gal is in one of the shorts in the now infamously missing BC17.

HOM still has at least a dozen loops that have never been released, including a few great ones. Lorelei has mentioned that they also have a bunch of the John Blakemore photos that haven't seen print and others that weren't printed in color. Who knows if any of these things will ever get released?

I third or fourth doing an HOM inspired takeoff, especially if Rick tries to throw in four to six tales. Most of the ZFX videos tend to meander too much for my tastes. I'd rather see the tight kind of editing in the old HOM loops. Besides, I'd love to see a bunch of gals being captured and tied up instead of the usual one or two in the typical ZFX video.

Thursday October 12th 2000 09:09:14
Name: Lorelei
Comments: Re "this reporter guy... all his chief wants is to sell newspapers...:"

Perhaps the poster's recalling the cartoony editor of the Daily Planet stuttering "we gotta sell a story!" But the comment is fantasy.

Actually, the "reporter guy" is a freelance writer and reviewer. While writing one article, he encountered the bondage modeling scene (via Stacy Burke), and he conceived of the topic for another article. He pitched the writeup to a newsstand magazine; they were too skittish and declined. The reporter went elsewhere and located an online ezine interested in publishing it when the article is completed.

No newspaper, no boss breathing down his neck...

Friday October 13th 2000 12:27:21
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Lorelei: Thanks for correcting me. So this reporter guy is freelance and has to sell his stuff to somebody who wants to print it to sell newspapers. Silly me. And the whole point I was making was that his boss wanted to sell newspapers! Thanks for this very valuable and useful input.

Damien

Friday October 13th 2000 08:46:35
Name: Larry
Comments: BBFan and others, My favorite HOM breast bondage is from an old tape. It shows a pretty brunette in jail, and she is threatened to get her to sign a confession. When she doesn't she ends up sitting in a chair on a table, with her large breasts wire- bound into hard globes. They are then squeezed and whipped, and she goes back into her cell still boound. And on the sound- track note, how about the sound of the needle sliding off the end of the record onto the paper lable? (I know, not a concept for CD users, but that's what the sound comes from...) Due to my schedule I didn't discover ZFX until two years ago. Now that I'm more stationary I need to increase my collection. Any suggestions? (I've got Lois Payne, Scene of the CRime, Maximum DeSade, and Sweet Christine {the worst of the lot}. Larry
Friday October 13th 2000 11:46:04
Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Larry,

If it's breast bondage suggestions you want, you came to the right place! The ZFX vid that has perhaps the tightest BB that Rick has done is Xtractor (it comes at the end), and other good ones are Binding Contract and Jennifer's Nightmares, and a very nice Tabitha Jordan pre- boob job scene is included in Sunterfuge. I haven't seen Maximum DeSade - would you recommend that? Also, I have seen that HOM loop you are talking about - it stars Anne Bruno and is part of CalStar's Punished 2 compilation. It is VERY nice. I don't know of a way to buy that tape legit - the only people I've seen offering that are bootleggers.

Friday October 13th 2000 12:09:15
Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Oh, and also Guinea pigs 1 & 2 (2 is better). *sigh* the good old days. One recent vid with good breast bondage (I think someone on this forum made the observation that it was reminiscent of "Rope Burn") is Underland 2-Cruel Dominion. Kelly Mkay looks pretty good with her tits tied up. I'm hoping Rick decides to focus on those some more.
Friday October 13th 2000 12:14:39
Name: Larry
Comments: BBFan, I've had the tape for some years, moved a couple of months ago and it's still buried in a box. Along with Punished 3, and a bunch of others, including some German 2-loop videos. Hell, I've still got old HOM 8mm loops. On day I'll get around to cataloging them all. Larry
Friday October 13th 2000 12:22:24
Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Larry,

You don't happen to have "Violated" or "SM Sisters" do you? I have not seen those in the compilation tapes.

Friday October 13th 2000 12:58:22
Name: jubei
Comments: Are any of you guys familiar with Mike Preston and his work. I was considering shelling out the $15 for a one month membership to his site but I sort of wanted a recomendation before I joined. The website is here: http://www.prestongraphics.com Thanks, Jubei
Friday October 13th 2000 01:12:59
Name: Larry
Comments: BBFan- Re you other questions- Max. DeSade is pretty good, I enjoy the second vignette more than the other two (the reporter). Off-hand I don't think I've got the other two videos you asked about, but I'll check. BTW, thanks for the name for the actress in the Punished 2 loop. I've always wanted to know who she was, and since then I've found some stills of her on Sir Darcy's site. Larry
Friday October 13th 2000 03:23:26
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Larry;

Suggestions??Hmmm...let's see....

I might not be the best person to give you any suggestion, since I'm not really focused on breast bondage (not that I mind....:-]), and I rather enjoyed Sweet Christine. But I think it's safe to recommend at least one tape: The Cheerleaders of Perilous U.

Based on a lot of prior postings on this board, I think I can say this is a tape that is considered by most of us as THE classic ZFX tape, and considered by many to be the best.

I also suggest you pick at least ONE tape with fan- favorite ms. Lisa Kinkaid. Maybe "The suffering of Stephanie Renford" would be a good place to start.

If you would like any specific info on any tape you might consider to buy, of course you can always put this on the board. I guarrantee you that there's plenty of advise to be gotten here, by several helpfull conaisseurs like BBFan,Ralphus and many others.

Damien

Friday October 13th 2000 03:49:28
Name: AvF
E-mail address: HollywoodVampire @
Comments: Life imitates art....well, sort of.

I was watching the Today show the other morning and there was an interview w/a pretty female newscaster (nice lips!...real pretty mouth!) who was taken hostage for 4 hours during an interview w/a convicted killer. It seems that the convict asked the newscaster if she could go and get some candy bars and some water and when she returned he brandished a pen and held it to her throat as she was in the process of handing him the bars and water.

Although nothing happened, does this sound like anything we've watched ("Guilty" for all you newbees)?

Later.

Friday October 13th 2000 06:55:20
Name: Lorelei
Comments: Damien, re your repeat of the erroneous belief that the writer is selling articles to somebody who wants to "print" it to sell "newspapers"...

Are you trying to articulate that you don't know what online ezines are? Or are you not just confused by what ezines are, but are also trying to say that you believe that all text is created expressly for money and then published expressly for money. In that scenario, many pages of the internet would not exist, so the belief is unsupported.

Friday October 13th 2000 09:44:10
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Lorelei: You're absolutely right. I shouldn't have said "print" but "published". And you're right too on the money- part.

Still: The point I was trying to make was a simple one: "What's in contibuting to this article for us"??? But maybe you have an answer to that too. Since this is a "discussion board", and discussion is pointless if one is not willing to be convined: Please convince me. I'm listening.

Damien

Saturday October 14th 2000 12:46:47
Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html
Comments: RR: Yes, if you have more info on the restored parts of "Red Hot B&D", I'd like to have it. When you said you had to look up a number, what did you mean? I think the volume number was 15 on the Bondage Classics series; did they release the whole film intact on another volume?

Larry: If you're looking for some good ZFX vids, Damien is right. Check out "The Cheerleaders of Perilous U." It's my personal favorite of all of the ZFX titles, and I have seen every one. A couple of excellent brand new titles, just released this year, are "Ballista 2" and "South of the Border 4". If you can search back into the Guestbook Archives at the top of the page, you can read the older posts, where several of us listed our Top 10 ZFX faves, including ZFX creator Rick Masters himself.

If you're into breast bondage, you may want to order some of the older tapes that featured Victoria Vixxen. She was a very busty Mexican actress who had natural boobs and frequently got them tied up on screen. In fact, I can't really recall any tapes where she DIDN'T have to endure some sort of breast torture. Good old Rick always knew how to use his performer's best assets. :o)

Saturday October 14th 2000 06:20:30
Name: Iago
Comments: Lorelei, I think Damien's point here is that Fred is not planning this article because he thinks it's a cool idea. Granted, he might really think it IS a cool idea, but his goal is to earn a living and sell what he writes. Nothing wrong with that, but since whoever the planned publisher of what he writes is going to pay for the use of the article, it is clearly not a free thing. Since the publisher would only pay if it meant making money from the article, then the purpose of the article is commercial, ie, to attract the maximum number of readers. The money might come from banners, or subscriptions, or maybe even other channels, but because it is a for-profit ezine, the motivation is to get those hits up so that the advertising rates are better. A big, blazing title about us bondage freako types just draws that much more attention. So far as I can tell, that makes Damien's arguement correct and valid.

The topic of mainstream exploitation of fetish types (I hate that word, "fetish," by the way. I always think of that nasty little doll in "Trilogy of Terror" or some guy kissing shoes when I hear it)has come up here before. TV shows will run teasers all week long for 2-second bondage clips in their shows as the main event. Papers and magazines love to run the odd "freak" piece to boost readership from time to time, and can get away with it because they are mainstream.

Universally, we lose.

We are not every person out there. In what we like, we are not mainstream. And mainstream does not like things that are different. I really have seen no evidence that education helps them understand us, and rarely helps steer them to our way of thinking. Fred may mean well, but show me one thing ever written that has really ever made things better for our club.

I'm a productive and helpful member of society. I have friends and relationships. I have no desire to hurt or abuse anyone. I like all the usual things that everyone else does, and I'm a good neighbor. But it's a fact of life that I can't tell anyone I know that I like this stuff, or they'll think I'm a freak. It seems to me that drawing attention to us would just cause us trouble. Like it always has before.

Folks, sorry if I misinterpreted what you were saying.

Peace,

Iago

Saturday October 14th 2000 07:08:39
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: AvF: Thanks for that hostage story!

Now, do we really need more evidence that all the violence is caused by people just acting out what they saw on TV??? LOL

Damien

Sunday October 15th 2000 01:55:13
Name: alex
Comments: ...Ralphus. Thak you for the old H.O.M. photos. I loved those old movies. I have always wondered....in scenes like the fire scene, do you think they were always honest with the actresses BEFORE the shoot started or did they spring these type of scenes on them once the gags were in place.?? This thought is both mind boggling and very erotic for me.
Sunday October 15th 2000 07:33:48
Name: milo
Comments: Jubei: W/N you enjoy the Preson site depends on what you want. When I first encountered his stuff, I thought it was great -- heavy torture w/ a storyline; it was like fumetti. Recently, though, the it's basically just a gross out, with all this mutilation, scat, water sports, use of sacreigous imagery. For artwork that most closely follows the ZFX subject matter, I guess you could try drawingpalace.com. Best torture artwork (including the incomparable Roberts and Zerosen), but very costly, and update about once every 3 weeks. BBFan: For those of us who don't own Lois Payne, what does happen in the last part. Maybe it's just me, but I'll take Violation of Vicki Fixx, the sequel to Perilous U, over the latter any day. Someone ought to review the older ZFX titles (i.e. the very first ones).
Sunday October 15th 2000 09:02:12
Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Milo:

In the last part of Lois Payne, VV is tied to a workbench with many rubber bands around her tits, and Rick spanks them like that. Then, even more rubber bands are added, and Rick electrcutes them. Her tits look like fat sausages. VERY NICE!!!

Sunday October 15th 2000 11:15:54
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: I wonder if anyone has any info on this:

What I have in my hands is a box of a visoetape. The box says "The pleasure of Bondage volume 7" and "Z F/X tape nr.4". The credits at the beginning of the tape say " Produced for home made video by Z F/X productions". Copyright 1991

No more credits, no names of actors/actresses.

It has a guy wearing a black mask and a white helmet binding and whipping a girl that, whitout a doubt, is Sierra Stuart. The name of her character is also Sierra.

It's all done in a "weak" ZFX style.....Not very severe, not very strict.

No background music (apart for a brief moment when some text appears.

Could Z F/X be the pre-ZFX??? Are there any more tapes like that around??? Anybody any info??? Rick???

Damien

Sunday October 15th 2000 03:21:25
Name: Larry
Comments: Ralphus and Damien, Thanks for the steers, I'll have to check out the cheeleaders. I have to agree with BBFan on Lois Payne, the breast bondage part near the end is great. One of my projects of late has been correlating Ms. Vixen with her other movies to see where else she may be receiving similar treatment. Larry
Sunday October 15th 2000 06:56:59
Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html
Comments: Damien: Anyone can correct me if I am wrong, but before ZFX was officially formed, Rick started off by submitting his own tapes to a number of fetish companies, and today, B&D Pleasures own the rights to about 6 or 7 of his earliest works. I have seen all 4 tapes that were titled "ZF/X 1- 4", and also "Bondage Imagination Unlimited" and "Sorority Bondage Hazing". I think they have at least one compilation tape, as well. Most are actually quite good, although clearly not as refined as his later work. You see earlier performances by Drew Phonix (Mrs. Masters now) and the huggably cute Sierra Stuart, who was always one of my favorites. That ZF/X #4 tape with Sierra has great bondage material in it, but I felt it needed some good threatening dialogue to work better (I don't think the villain says one word throughout the entire tape). But anything with Sierra Stuart rings my bell, so I can forgive that. She's also in #3 and "Sorority Bondage Hazing", which were my favorites of these early tapes.
Sunday October 15th 2000 07:37:14
Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html
Comments: Alex: Almost forgot to address your intriguing idea about not telling the actresses about what scenes awaited them before they had them tied up and gagged. I gotta admit, that's a pretty exciting thought! "Let me get your reaction on film when you find out we're really going to be starting a fire between your legs! Scared? Struggling? GOOD!!! This'll be a great movie!"

Well, I suppose you could do that. Once. As long as you don't mind never working again. Or worse, getting arrested and/or serving time in jail. If you're someone like Rick Masters and want to do this as a career, I'm sure you have to build up some sort of reputation in order to get repeat performances from your female talent. I know ZFX's tapes look very harsh, but I doubt he would get so many girls willing to work with him again and again if he wasn't up front and honest with them from the very beginning. And I doubt that the girls actually feel much pain from the rigors he puts them through. Oh sure, the ropes have got to be uncomfortable, and clothespins on the nipples have got to hurt, but nothing that can't be shaken in a short time, I'm guessing. We know the electric shock is simulated, and the whips are made of felt, so what else is there that could cause real pain? I'm fairly certain Rick never built a fire between his actresses' legs. Darn it.

Well, there's always the next batch of vids...

Sunday October 15th 2000 08:08:13
Name: Iago
Comments: The whips are made of felt? I always thought they looked like PVC stips, or maybe electrical tape.

You learn something new every day .

Peace,

Iago

Monday October 16th 2000 09:49:49
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Hi all! Well...the tapes I ordered arrived. Guess what i've been doing most of the day....Unfortunately, I wasn't up to watching all of them in a row this time, but I still manged to watch most. Here are my observations, in the same order as I watched the tapes:

HELLBOUND: This one can be divided in 3 parts, each starring oneof the 3 victims. The first 2 parts were a little disappointing, yet funny. Both parts start with guy a guy dying and going to hell.....The first has my 3rd favorite ZFX-quote, by Rick himself: "Is this hell??? Doesn't look to bad to me..". Not bad??? Howcome??? Well....hell is a place were guys like Rick and the rest of us are provided with a pretty girl, willing to be bound, whipped and whatever you want.

This was also my problem: The fun part is that the girls should NOT be willing to be tied, whipped etc....Girls who like this...well...that would be hell for me!

The 3rd part is better: Julia Kara as a cuty diyng and go to hell...only to be trained as a slave for futer male hell- citizens. Not bad, Julia has her moments, but they're only BRIEF moments. My overall grade on a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being the best): 6 for the effort.

TIFFANY TWISTED 2:

MUCH better than I expected. I must say the picks on the web and box don't do this girl justice. She's WAY cuter. On the bad side, there's the beginning (some short scenes of TT1) where we see the girl getting KO by bumping her head to a desk. THAT's not how it's supposed to go! Where's the joy of overpowering a victim??? Another bad point Was the "vacum" (grin) scene, that could have been shorter. But then a turn for the better is taken with a nice scene where the girl is being"taped" while protesting rather convincing.AND there's a nice electrotorture in it...you all know I like those...:-]Grade: 7

GANGLAND 4 & 5: Both have their merrits. In GL 4 I liked the (view) scenes with Mrs. Masters (BTW: Mrs. Masters, if you could spare he time, I'm sure most of us would like you to contribute to this forum from time to time). Boy, does she knows how to suffer!!! Even when hardly bound or tortured, she's all fear and terrorized! Excellent! Another scene I really liked is in GL5, where Kerri Downs gets....electrotortured. I liked it even better since the goal of the torture was substracting informatiom. Also something I aways enjoy. Grades: GL4 6.5 and GL5 7

BINDING CONTRACT: Straight from the good old days. this one has it all: Excellent story, great bondage, very good acting. This one really shows Rick must have been enjoying himself doing this one. The story??? The actresses?? Nahhhh to easy. Go watch this one!!! Grade: 8

GUINEE PIGS 4: When I ordered this one, I did so because of the always adorable Holly Weston. I have GP5, and just wanted to see what happened before.And Holly was very good, of course. BUT: Another lady stole my hart on this one: Kimber Allen is SUPERB in this tape. Struggling to get free, screaming, squeeling like a real Guinee Pig..Oh man....even yet another electrotorture....And when I was all warmed up, Holly Weston for desert. Even though the tape had a slow start (Julia Kara, again not very convincing), stil I have to grade it with a 9. Clearly the best of the lot so far.

LIZA CORD: Wow...was I surprised by the first 30 minutes. This looked like an ordinary rapetape. Would I see any real ZFX in this one at all??? I sure did! After the first 30 minutes, we have Chandra Sweet overpowering Amy van Allen. Both fully naked. Need I say more??? And this was only the beginning of the fun. I was going to grade this one with a 7, but because of Bryan Dunhill, I must make it an 8-. Rick: Please, if at all possible: Hire this dude again!

Coming up next: Reporter 2: Gangstarr; Disciplz of Pain; Misadventures of Lois Payne.

Damien

Monday October 16th 2000 03:54:46
Name: Damien
Comments: CORRECTION: In my posting on GL 4 & 5 I mistakenly mentioned Mrs. Masters. Of course she's not in these titles. Forgiveness......Still: I would love to see Mrs. Masters contribute to this board...

Damien

Monday October 16th 2000 04:33:38
Name: zee-ef-ex
Comments:

Damien:

Tiffany Twisted is one of my favorite ZFX tapes esp. BECAUSE OF the knock-out scene. We ZFX fans are not a homogenous group. Some of us (like you) like the takedowns, others of us (like me) prefer more subtlety.

I'm curious if Rick enjoys "straight" porn (i.e. non- bondage), and if so, why more of those themes have not made it into his tapes. Straight porn has gotten in some instances quite extreme, i.e. gang bangs, relentless ass-to- mouth, etc. Will we ever see those types of themes in a ZFX flick? Just wondering.

zee-ef-ex

Monday October 16th 2000 08:33:54
Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html
Comments: Damien: Nice reviews! It's good to finally hear something about the older titles, because it's been literally years since I've seen some of them and the memory tends to fade after awhile. I didn't remember too much about "Hellbound", for instance, other than Julia Kara getting tortured with plastic wrap over her face. I gotta agree that she was not exactly one of ZFX's most convincing actresses, but she had a few good moments here and there in her appearances for Rick.

BTW, you were half-right, half-wrong about Drew Phonix. She was not in "Gangland 4", but she did appear in "Gangland 5", easily the weakest of the 5-tape series. My biggest problem with that tape? She had what could have been a great torture scene, but it was ruined in my mind because Rick didn't even tie her up! I don't recall many details, so correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't she in a chair, receiving some sort of torture, and her hands weren't even tied at all? How could Rick drop the ball on such an easy play? The rest of that series, particularly the first two tapes, was among the best series that ZFX ever made, IMO.

Speaking of Drew, she had a mini-comeback of sorts with the final Gangland and also "The Necklace Part 3" before disappearing for good. She was a great actress, very expressive, and I would love to have her post here, as well. Not sure that she ever would; perhaps she prefers to stay out of the limelight, but the request has been made. Rick, talk to the wife! :o)

Monday October 16th 2000 10:11:30
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Zee-ef-ex: You're absolutely right: If there's one thing this group is NOT, it's homogenous. My review pretend to be nothing more than MY opinions and observations hat I humbly present to this board. Luckely you feel free to disagree and we both have the oportunity to reflect how we feel on this excellent board. Interesting point you bring up, though: Subtlety vs Takedown. Anybody wants to throw in his/her two cents????

AND NOW.....THE MISSING REVIEWS

MISADVENTURES OF LOIS PAYNE: Since many spoke rather highly of this tape, I was a bit disappointed. I didn't find the acting to constant (sometimes very good, sometimes just VERY bad). Same goes for the bondage. I noticed a few mistakes that (IMHO) never should be made in videos like these. Like hands tied in such a way that they can remove gags, easy-to-escape-ropework.... The better parts of the movie, like an electrotorture made up for these bad points just partly. In all, I wouldn't grade this more than a 6.5, but because of the nice dialogues and the interesting plot, I'll raise it to 7.

DISCIPLZ OF PAIN

Very WEIRD tape. Very GOOD ropework. Very IRRITATING music (especially in the first part. But hey! I bought this one for the girl, Diedra Carrera. I can't help it, I just like to see her. Especially that angry, tormented look she sometime has.Grade: 6

REPORTER 2: GANGSTARR:

I saved this one for last, because it could be nothing but GOOD! And it was! Just like the first part, everything's perfect: Plot, dialogues, acting and...Monica Moore. Just one of the many, many highlights: The scene where she's tied-up, but- plugged, digesting a laxative.....Oh man! And to make this VERY good tape even PERFECT, it also has a few scenes with Ms. Kinkaid at the end of the tape. I'll have to safe my perfect 10 for a tape from Rick yet to be made, so I'l grade it with a 9.

That's all the reviews for now, folks...just started to prepare my next order, and I'll make sure you all have a say in it. Any suggestions???

Damien

Tuesday October 17th 2000 08:10:00
Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Damien,

My rave reviews of Lois Payne reflect my focus on breast bondage. VV's bags go through some serious torment, I think you would agree. With your input in ind, I'll qualify my recommendation: Lois Payne is a must-see for breast bondage and electo-torture enthusiasts. Folks like Larry would really like it, but others may not. Binding Contract is indeed a great video all around!!! I had forgotten about that one, but there was some really great scene with that cute petite sandy-blond-haired chick that starred in most of the early titles. Also, it feature some of the most realistic whipping I've seen in ZFX films.

We are indeed a heterogeneous group, but I think we certainly have one thing in common. I really enjoy reading and posting to this group.

Tuesday October 17th 2000 11:38:37
Name: Lorelei
Comments: I confess a lot of anxiety about readers assuming that those of us who manage some income from writing, should be considered primarily motivated by money.

I kept a bondage diary for many years before I started posting it to the internet. It does draw visitors to my site, but I'm still posting it mainly because it feels like a dialogue -- other people learn about me and themselves when they read it, and I learn about myself by posting it and hearing from others.

The same goes for the other writing on my site.

I was sorry when I realized that folks here felt that when I wrote descriptions of my shoots for Force Fantasies, they felt I was doing it as advertising, where I thought I was sharing a common experience that we all have -- an erotic feeling about these kinds of fantasies and events.

And now that I understand that readers here are particularly uncomfortable with writers' efforts to dialogue, I realize that I'm probably making everyone feel like I visit here for the wrong reasons (monetary potential.) So I apologize for having intruded and hope the forum will now return to its natural ambiance.

Thank you for my time here, it was very much appreciated.

Tuesday October 17th 2000 12:02:39
Name: the Scribbler
Comments: Lorelei: While I can't speak for others, I, for one, never thought your posts about FF shoots was advertising, I thought you were just sharing, and also looking for ideas and input. (Which I was happy to give.) I don't think you visit here for the wrong reasons, I don't think you're intruding.

Others: Mailed Maddog that I have most of the archives he's missing. He mailed back that someone else also mailed him stuff, and when he gets a chance to go through it, he'll let me know if he needs any of the archives I have.

Classic HOM loops rule (well some suck, but a lot of them rule!) But I've said this before in prior posts that never made the archives.

Tuesday October 17th 2000 02:01:18
Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Lorelei:

I for one have no qualms about you posting to this group. If you recall, I was one of the first posters to you classic HOM discussion board, and it was a real treat to see you posting here. This forum is all about sharing ideas, and that includes people who actually PROVIDE the vids we all like so much (and I have seen a number of your Close-Up vids - they are very erotic - all the more so because you yourself are in many of those vids) definitely should be welcome to post to this board, IMHO. I have seen no post here accusing you of spamming for your website, and I certainly don't feel that is your motivation. If this group's sceptism of the "reporter guy" turned you off, that is unfortunate, but I for one welcome your inputs in this forum, and would be dissapointed to see you leave.

Larry: Thanks for the input on Maximum Desade, and if you would care to elaborate, I was curious more specifically in the quality/quantity of any breast bondage in that vid.

Tuesday October 17th 2000 02:02:07
Name: Mad Dog
E-mail address: Xezactula2@hotmail.com
Comments: Re Lorelei: I might sound like the bad guy here, but hey if you want to go, go, we arent stopping you, or for that matter, we arent forcing you to post here either. That was totally your choice, but If you cant handle critism, whether it is directed at you, or somebody you know (fred), Then you are in the wrong place.

I, for one, along with a lot of other members of this board welcome ladies and their viewpoints. I also thought that just about everybody went out of their way, to try and make you feel welcome. I even posted to your book to welcome you and to have you share your viewpoints no matter what they were.

This board is made up of many opiniated SOB's (me Included). Many are the times that we have disagreed with each other, and with rick. Also many are the times that Rick disageed with us. Having different viewpoints is what makes this board work. Otherwise it is one person posting and the rest of us going "yep,I agree". But the good majority of us can take critism and know that it isnt personal, it is just another person's point of view.

As far as the whole thing about Fred is concerned, I totally understand why you are defending him. You know him and trust him. That works for you, but just because you say so, that means that we are supposed to trust him wholeheardily. It dosent work that way, And for the last time I dont think that anybody here has anything personally against Fred, we are not ready for the exposure that could come along with an article. Think about your personal life, Do you tell every single person that you meet that you are into bondage? Some how I dont think so. Why? Because of the narrow minded ASS-HOLES out there that look down on you. Not Imagine a single man who is into the Bondage style Vids that ZFX produces, People would not only look down on us but they would probally go out of their way to see that we are thrown in Jail or at the very least run out of "their" neighborhoods. Now maybe can you see our reluctance to talk with Fred, even though his intentions were good. When was the last time you heard about one of the "god-fearing Catholics" twisting something to serve their own agenda.

As far as "us" feeling like you were doing advertising when you were posting about your shoots, If you remember correctly it was one guy, who most people cant even remember posting here before and has not been heard from since. So dont blame us many of the guys were more than willing to give you suggestion or read about your shoot, and if they werent then they could just skip that part of the board.

Bottom line here is that if you cant take the critism or somebody disagreeing with you then this would probally not be the best place for you to visit. I wish you luck in your future and hope that you can find all the things that make you happy

Peace All
Mad Dog
Tuesday October 17th 2000 06:47:07
Name: Damien
Comments: Lorelei: If there's one thing most of the posters on this board have NO problem with it's dialogue. Not with writers nor producers, actresses, other fans or whoever has whatever opinion they like to share with the rest of us. And the few who might have a problem with dialoge are just as free to leave as they are to hang around here, or just read the postings without contributing.

I'm with Mad Dog on this one: If you wanna go...be my guest. If you can't take the heat, it might be best to stay out of the kitchen. But don't do so, becuase you're affraid you may have made some of us "uncomfortable", don't make it sound like you're doing us a favour.

Damien

Tuesday October 17th 2000 10:46:24
Name: AvF
E-mail address: Hollywoodvampire@
Comments: "Yep, I agree"
Thursday October 19th 2000 07:46:26
Name: RR
Comments: Bad MadDog

I didnít want to weigh in on Loreleiís argument with Damien. It was a subject that had already been discussed to death and there was no point to jumping in. Now weíve got everybody jumping all over her because she felt uncomfortable. I'll admit to being surprised at Lorelei's message. If I'm dealing with somebody disagreeable and they can't see my line of reasoning and thereís nothing to be gained by continuing a discussion, I drop it. I've got better things to do. As olí WC said, ďNever smarten up a chump.Ē

Iíll admit that itís awkward to take a disagreement with one person and externalize it to a whole group. Itís still not right to be telling Lorelei to go or not go. I've enjoyed Lorelei's exchanges here and hope she decides to stick around. She's added a nice touch of color to the forum. There's certainly plenty of opportunity to interact with Lorelei in her guestbooks, but this forum is more active than most, so there's more thoughts flying, making more interesting conversations. Lorelei was coming her for one reason. She had to be enjoying the discussions that were happening here. This guestbook has enough focus that the participants are more of a like mind than most. Thatís resulted in more thoughtful discussions. When I check into some of Loreleiís guestbooks, I see fans with completely dissimilar tastes. A guy that canít wait to see a bare foot hasnít got much to talk about with another person thatís into mummification and neither of them want to hear about one of us talking about rape fantasies.

Iíd much rather hear from Lorelei than wait for Damien to go back into pissing and moaning as he did many months back about the delays in shipping new ZFX videos. If anybodyís forgotten those grandiose days, look at the most recent archives. Everybody can relive the days when Damien was screaming about Rick betraying us because he wasnít releasing his videos fast enough. Remember when he wasnít going to buy any new ZFX tapes?

I donít mean to beat up on Damien. Heís made a lot of worthwhile contributions to this guestbook when he wasnít acting like a junkie needing a ZFX fix. Nobody took him to task when he was flying off the handle for what seemed like months. People were consoling him and trying to ease him out of his troubles. Did anybody really believe that he wouldnít jump all over those new releases like a mosquito at a nudist camp? Everybody was patient and nobody beat Damien up for getting overly obsessive over his need for new ZFX product. Why not pay Lorelei the same kind of respect? A mistake was made. Letís get past it.

Thursday October 19th 2000 08:22:26
Name: Iago
Comments: I duuno. It seems to me that she took a disagreement over the terms of how to define profit motive, internalized it, and made into a very personal issue. I don't personally attack people. She wasn't even the topic of my post. But I do agree with Mad Dog that this is a free-for-all environment. If she isn't comfortable with the way it works, she should go, before she develops really bad impressions or feelings. By the same stroke, if she can get on with the people here and understand that one person's view is not the opinion of all (or even, as the case may be, directed at her-both Damien and myself were actually debating about Fred), then she should stay; it will be a cool place for her to be, and maybe cooler for her being here. She may even be able to effect change that makes it a better place or her.

I'm just saying, if she can be comfortable with us, groovy. If not, she should find a spot more to her taste. Us changing our ways to accomodate her wouldn't make for much of a forum, I reckon.

Peace,

Iago

Thursday October 19th 2000 10:15:07
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: RR: Feel free to beat me up on this board any day. As I said before: This is a DISCUSSION forum, right?? So: En Garde! BTW: Let me refresh your memory a little: I wasn't "screaming' about the delays a few months ago, but about lame excuses and broken promisses! And rest assured: I still didn't buy/rent/watch any of the last releases. And I won't.

"Deja-Vu" Damien

Thursday October 19th 2000 11:54:33
Name: Mad Dog
E-mail address: xezactula2@probemail.com
Comments: O.k., I admit I might have been a little bit harsh on Lorelei in my last post, but to me,and onlyme, a lot of her posts, seem to have a vey condesending tone to them. Unfortunately I have dealt with people like her and they are very much grounded in their opinions being the only one there is. Although they will be the first to say, that they are not like that, but when you have a discussion with them, most of the time they will not even take the time to see your point. That is a pet-peeve of mine.

So I did get a little defensive, but I think my main points were still valid. If somebody dosent like the conversations here, then all they have to do is not read the board. We have never forced anybody to read or post here, if they dont want to. If She would have decided to just stop posting for whatever reason then we would not be having this discussion. Instead she has to send a post that sounded to me like when you were a kid and got excluded from something, instead of just dropping it you tried to go out of your way to show them that you didnt care.

So maybe that is not what she intended, but to me, and onlyme,that is what it sounded like.

RR: As far as the whole Damien thing, well that is all kind of played out. But if you were to go back and read the earlier posts (oops sorry you cant do that yet, because I am not finished with them, feel free to attack me at the end of this post because I deserve it) but if you remember I was the first one to jump all over Damien. But he was able to convince me or at least make me see his side of it. I knew that I wasnt going to change his opinion so I said what I needed to and dropped it. You also notice that we have moved on from it. Even Damien was able to put that part aside and post here without some kind of tone in his post. I also believe that at the time if Damien would have posted a final post like Lorelei, then we all would be saying the same thing to him. If you want to go, Go.

One last little note and that is what Iago posted. We very much welcome women here but we are not going to change who we are or our post just to satisfy them.

Well, there you have my opinions and I do not speak for everybody. Although that should go without saying.

Peace All
Mad Dog
Friday October 20th 2000 08:21:27
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Mad Dog

IF I ever were to "leave" this board (I have no intention to do so), I simply would stop posting to it, not make a big thing out of it. To honest, I'm rather "new" to boards like this, so maybe i'm wrong (please correct me) but leaving any board withe a big announcement as a sort of "grande exit" is done only by someone who thinks to be more important than he (or she) really is. To be frank: It's of no interest do me who does NOT post, or why. I only care about posters and postings that DO appear.

As for the old "delay" discussion, I'm just as "through" with that as I'm sure most of us are. Still feel the same, but it's no longer an issue. But beeing misquoted or misinterpretid, I'll correct and will keep doing so.

Your "jumping all over me" is a perfect example of the usefullnes of discussion. While jumping you gave me (and I think more of us) a usefull and interesting insight on the production-side of ZFX and adult tapes in general. It made me change the prespective on "just" another release, and was very welcome inside information. Of course we still disagree. But so what! Let's agree to disagree, shall we???

Damien

Friday October 20th 2000 09:22:10
Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Upon reading some of the posts in response to Lorelei's last post, I have to say that I was pulled into this "Grande Exit" bit. My response was "No, Please don't go!", but in retrospect, I think that is just the response she was looking for. I must agree with Damien that if a discussion board becomes uninteresting or untasteful to you, you simply stop participating. I cannot recall anyone else making such a grand exit, but I haven't seen any posts by such folks as The Professor in a long time, so I have to assume they are not participating either. They didn't make a big deal out of it, and nobody begged them to stay. Perhaps the reason she feels that she warrants such a spotlight is that she is a high profile figure in the bondage business, and she may be right. She's certainly more recognizable that any of us (even Mad Dog), but, that having been said, this IS an open forum and you must have a thicker skin than Lorelei apparently has to participate on an ongoing basis. I can remember when I took a few lumps when I tried to make the case that bondage enthusiasts are smarter than the average person out there, but I stuck it through.
Friday October 20th 2000 11:09:06
Name: Howie
Comments: As someone who has been a long time reader and occasional contributor to the forum, I have to say how pleased I am with how the forum as a whole has dealt with Lorelei's incredibly thin skinned, overly sensitive attitude.

I enjoy reading posts from new people just as much as anyone else, and really appreciate it when a woman comes in to share her point of view, but Lorelei really needs to lighten up.

When she first started posting here the forum started taking on a whole different feel for a while. People even had discussions as to the fact that it didn't feel like the same forum anymore, and that was fine. But then someone went and said a models in one of Lorelei's movies wasn't all that attractive, and I remember thinking how weird it was that she got all upset about that, I mean who cares? Then someone had the "nerve" to say that they didn't like Lorelei's posts, or something to that effect. I remember after reading it looking forward to hearing Lorelei response, because I myself thought the guy was off base and that Lorelei would deal with the guy with a few well place words, but instead she got all defensive with this very short post saying that she was no longer going to contribute to the site.

Of course she did, and then the whole thing with this reporter started. The guy had his say here, and those who wished to talk to him did and those who didn't care I'm sure will continue to ignore him. Even Rick weighed in on the subject and I figured it was a pretty much a dead issue. So now we have Damien and others having a very interesting dialog about the old HOM loops and I see a post from Lorelei. I figure she is going to have something to contribute because I remember her talking about HOM some time ago, but low and behold she wants to get into a pissing contest with Damien about weather or not reporters get paid to write articles. And now another post about not contributing to the site anymore. Ok, you've warned us twice now. If you don't want to post, then don't. Believe me when I say we will all get over it. I'm not saying that I want her to quit posting if she has something to say, but don't waist our time constantly getting your feelings hurt and then threatening us like some big drama queen about not talking to the forum anymore.

P.S. "Damien", you should really swallow your pride and get some of the new movies, non of us will think any less of you. (^_^) Can't wait to hear some more reviews of the older movies. I'm also in complete agreement with you on your assessment of the Reporter. Monica Moore is the BOMB!

Friday October 20th 2000 03:57:01
Name: Rick
E-mail address: zfx4u@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://www.zfx-shockwavevideo.com
Comments: Hello to all!

Going to talk briefly bout what coming up and then comment on a few things.

I am still working on South Of the Border 5: In the Flesh. As you probably know, ZFX is going to a one at a time release schedule, but even so, I'm not exactly known as greased lightning when it comes to post production! In fact, I have been described as down right glacial on several occasions, but it is coming together nicely and will be out well before Christmas. Santa will be soooo relieved! Some caps and other stuff should be up on the site before then. Just so you know whats coming out, I'll give you a basic overview (shameless commercial plug) of the show.

The SOB series is basically a conglomeration of interwoven stories dealing with drugs, white slavery, torture and captivity in South America. The movie features much of the original cast from SOB 3-4 (Lisa Kinkaid, Kelly Mckay, and briefly Christina Anderson), as well as the addition of Penelope Pace from SOB 1 and also with a new ZFX performer petite cutie Marly Rowe and several new male actors as well. While it will continue with the story where it left off in SOB4 , it also will kind of tie together with the first SOB. Anyway, this installment essentially revolves around Ms. Rowe, who plays a junkie named Amber. Amber also works as a drug courier and the movie centers on her arrest and interrogation at the hands of the Joint Mexican-American drug task force. In the first scene at a clandestine drug lab, she is strapped naked to a table and half pound of large bindles(balloons with dope in them) are roughly shoved up her rectum until she begs them to stop which they of course dont. A large doggie toy is then inserted to hold them in place. Next, her gut bloated with her illegal cargo, our junkie Heroine makes it to a Mexico City hotel to exchange the dope for cash, which she is aching to expel, only to realize she has been set up when 3 cops swarm her, cuff, strip and beat her, then tie her spread eagle to the bed gagged with a bar of soap. Totally helpless, she is gang fucked by the dastardly law men. After shooting all over her face and belly, she is bound doggie style, and her ass is both filled and fucked with a bottle of hot sauce. A long hose with a rubber tipped probe tube is attached to a sink nozzle and she is given forced enema until the loot in her tortured ass finally pops out. Exhausted, she is re cuffed and taken to the Jail annex for more interrogation. Meanwhile, US embassy attorney Megan Cortez(Lisa Kinkaid) continues to receive the sadistic attention of Col. South and his CIA cohort. Picking up after her "bath"(the upside down suspended dunking scene from part 3), Ms. Cortez has her ass impaled on a electric prodded punishment chair, her nipples clamped with electrodes and her mouth fitted with a plug/electrode which is held in by a trainer. She is juiced to a sweaty heap. Shocked senseless, poor Megan is tossed on a dirty mattress for some oral/anal plundering, then horribly strangled and left for dead. While Megan gets this brutal treatment, one of her clients accused of trafficking(Kelly Mckay)is chained to the floor on all fours and brutally porked by Pedro the Mexican jail guard and his gringo DEA cohort(played by our very own Mad Dog). While Mr. Dog slides a large night stick up her ass, Pedro grudge fucks her mouth, eventually filling it with scum.

As I am still editing this piece, so thats all I can tell you for now. There might be some other scenes in there too. All depends on the run time of which I dont yet have a clue. BBFan is gonna smack me, but there is not any serious breast bondage in this one, more focusing on forced sex and torture. There are some very nice breasts in this movie however:) You are gonna like Marly Rowe. I would describe her as Pixieish...early 20s, petite, bobbed doo, strawberry blonde, very cute face, tight little body, with C cup tits(natural) that are extremely perky capped large protruding nips, very nice pussy and ass. Not the greatest boobs for tying though(too firm), but I woulda tried, I just ran outta time. This was logistically a difficult shoot. Very cool gal and she really did a nice job on this piece. Any way, thats whats coming!

Ok, a few comments:

Lorelie: I dunno if you'll read this, sounds like your not coming back, but I think alot of people liked your posts here. I dont think anyone in the group has it in for writers!?!?(DO we?) Uncomfortable with dialog? Thats all we do here! The whole thing with Fred Topel was silly, I didnt doubt his motivations or integrity as much as I just didnt feel like doing it. I think I speak for the majority who welcome your input, as well as any females interested in Bondage. Hell, we'd take input from females who arent into Bondage! WEJUSTWANTFEMALES!(23 Thorazine injections later....joke)Anyway, if it feels good, doit:) If you enjoy reading and posting here I think you will continue. If ya dont, then you probably wont. Either way, its all good, but I also always say....the more the merrier.;)

HOM Burning crotches: I have that one too, the Bondage Classic( I have the whole lot:) with the fire but mine is cut as well. I'm also pretty dam sure they told the model beforehand. I do have some uncut HOM though, among my most prized porno(I know ive bragged on this before:)They are full length movies and just plain awesome. Some of the titles include Bitter Sweet Revenge, Tourist Trap 1-2. A couple of these even feature one of mine(and probably your) favorite anti heros, the excellent Jeremy Whittman, laying pipe on a couple of the gorgeous gals that HOM employed.

Bondage Movie Surprise: You really have to tell people whats gonna happen before it happens. It would be unethical not to and youd probably end up in the pokey for a good long time and would probably deserve it too:(.

Watching Porno?: Do I watch regular porn. Rarely, but occasionally, yes. Back in the day, I used to watch alot of it. Do I like it? Yeah, but I dont know if it fully scratches my itch. Most of the porn made today is terrible(what I've seen). The 70s and early to mid eighties right before video got a toehold in adult, that stuff is premo. The Opening of Misty Beetoven, Barbara Broadcast, All American Girls are a few great ones. Of course many mainstream adult movies back then were bondage and rape oriented, or contained S&M themes. The quality was usually excellent, both of the talent and productions themselves which were shot on film. As far as A2M, gang bangs etc....gangbangs would be cool if the girl (pretended) to not like it instead of pretending to like it. A2M.....it definitely is a humiliating thing to suck shit from a cock or dildo fresh outta the bung hole.

Preston Graphics: Some like it but most of its too gross for me. Im not really into death, mutilation or necrophillia. Very talented artist though!

The Game: Well, thanks to Iago, I was able to get a game engine for a possible ZFX game. The engine is called the Auran Jet. The unique thing about it is that they allow you to develop the game for free and only have to pay if it is released commercially. This is a brilliant strategy. Ok, so any C game developers or 3d Studio Max mesh artists out there interested in making money and also making the most outrageous game ever developed? Send email, lets talk:)

LegalCRAP: The case of Devils Films vs Nilapul Video(a Manhattan NY video store). Yep, that case is in fact very real and I am aware of it, however that was a denial of seizure order without prejudice which basically means the Judge would not allow US Marshals to seize counterfeit products and equipment used in the production as is normally done, but did not preclude the Plaintiff, Devils film in this case from seeking relief at trial. Thats just what they did, and this case was eventually settled just before trial for a hefty sum of money. This Judge is known for his anti porn stance and religious viewpoints both of which have NO place in a US courtroom, much less a Copyright or Trademark case. Thanks for your info however , which leaves me scratching my head. How were you aware of this case? Hmmmmm. Care to enlighten me?

POLITiCALCRAP: Ok all you Americans, listen up! Lets face it, Al Gore is not the greatest candidate around, but please, for the love of pornography, vote for the man anyway. I think voting independant or green party is a wasted vote too. Without the support of the media, these Independents dont really stand a chance. Heres the bottom line: BUSH must be defeated at all costs. Obviously, this is my opinion, but we need every vote to count. If Bush gets in there, you will see the adult industry attacked with a vengeance and the Internet will be the main point of attack. Many of our rights as citizens will go bye by not the least of which will be your right to freely peruse the internet. Sure, those slimy Democrats want to disarm us, but we aint gonna let that happen anyway;) Join the NRA and vote Democrat hehe! We dont need to go back to the back alley days of yesteryear and thats exactly where Mr. Bush and his cronies wants to take us. Funny how theres a big gas price hike in an election year when 2 of the candidates happen to be....you guessed it, oil men. BTW, anyone know what the W. in George W. Bush stands for? Its not WALLACE is it? If its not, it should be. Inquiring minds want to know. Ok, putting away my soap box.....

Ok, thats it for now, back to the edit bay! Thanks to all who read, post and watch the movies and to our fearless administrator Mad Dog for keeping it all working! Also, a special thanks to the Gimp for founding this site.

Rick:)

Friday October 20th 2000 05:44:29
Name: RR
Comments: Re: Showing a Little Respect

The real issue is showing some courtesy and respect to others. Lorelei made a rash statement. I was going to leave it up to her as to how she'd resolve it without getting in the middle. This was an argument with one person and it was over an issue that I was done talking about. Lorelei took some remarks more personal than she should have and made a comment about leaving the group that seemed an overreaction. That reaction can be considered that of the type of female that MadDog doesnít like or that of a women thatís overworked, exhausted, under a lot of stress, and coming to the guestbook for some relaxation only to feel insulted. As far as feeling that Lorelei was being condescending, I never got that impression. Iíve occasionally been accused of the same thing in my writings when it was the last thing on my mind. Thatís the problem with the written word. Without facial expressions to back them up, itís easy to mistake the intent of the writer.

Itís important to remember that, unlike most bondage personalities, Lorelei runs her own website and does the bulk of the dirty work involving prepping images and a lot of the HTML design work. This is a full time job. Normally, it's done by a third party and often leaves a lot to be desired of the sites. In her guestbooks, Lorelei has indicated that her sister continues to be stalked by her ex- husband and itís very likely that the courts will grant him visiting rights to their daughter. The last time that happened, the daughter (then 2) was kidnaped and taken to Greece where it took over a year to get her back while the child was neglected and abused by the husbandís parents who were stuck caring for her. The husband only used the daughter as a pawn in an effort to force his ex-wife to come back to him. Lorelei has spent a lot of time and money trying to do whatever she can to prevent this man from seeing her sister again. Add the recent surgery that her boyfriend underwent for a serious back problem and weíve got a person who may not have reacted the way she would in calmer times. Speaking of surgery, Damien, Iím glad that everything worked out okay with yours. Iíve never understood the phrase ďroutine surgeryĒ. It might be routine to the doctor, but itís rarely routine for the patient.

Lorelei said things that should not have been said. Iím not defending what was said. I wanted to remain silent on this and hoped that the words would be forgotten and Lorelei would be willing to come back and participate when she was ready. I wanted to leave options open. Everybody else could have done the same or they could kick her and insult her on the way out and itís the latter that has happened. Itís as if Lorelei suddenly embodied every woman that has made guys feel inadequate and there was finally an opportunity to give a parting shot to one on the way out, an opportunity rarely gotten in the real world. This was a chance to anonymously put a woman in her place without any repercussions. Small wonder that there's not a lot of them here. Had Damien decided to make a point about leaving when he was getting overly obsessive about Rick being late with his videos, I wouldnít have insulted him on the way out. Maybe thatís just me, but I see little point in kicking somebody when theyíre down.

I stand corrected, Damien. I should have related your criticisms of Rick as being six months ago, not ďmanyĒ months ago. As to whether or not you've bought any new releases, I donít know. I tend to think that youíll someday get them, if you havenít already, based on how badly you wanted them. Thatís just a guess on my part, but I donít think youíd be telling us even if you bought them. Maybe youíd rather wait till they're old releases so that you can feel like youíre not buying new releases. Either way, Iím not sure what the point is. As long as you buy ZFX videos, you help Rick earn a living, whether theyíre old or new. Youíre not punishing him. You said some things when you were upset. Maybe theyíre no longer applicable today.

That's the problem with making rash statements, threats, ultimatums, or promises in anger. A person has to live with them long after the anger has subsided and long after it makes sense. The worst part is being mad at somebody else for forcing one to adopt an other wise ridiculous position. I've seen too many people bitter about living with some stupid decision they made and focusing their anger on somebody else because of a firm belief that it was that person that forced them into taking an awkward position. Rather than reverse what became an unwise decision, they stubbornly refuse to show any sign of weakness and would rather put up with a position that's not to their advantage. Somehow, this is interpreted as strength instead of stubbornness. It's something I try to avoid doing. Life's too short to have to live by irrational statements I've made in times when I was too emotional to make saner ones. It would be safe to assume that I've lived and learned from a lot of really dumb choices in my life. Still, itís nice to have Damien posting again, especially now that heís gotten past the delay stuff. You might recall that I didnít belittle or insult him when he was upset by those delays. I only bring those days up because he was the other party in what started all this and there was a period when his emotions got the better of him. My memory could be faulty, but I donít remember anybody being too critical of those times. There were certainly opportunities to suggest that, if he wasnít going to be buying or viewing any new ZFX videos, he might have better things to do with his time than coming to this guestbook, but nobody did that. I canít recall the exact words MadDog used when he tried to calm Damien down, but it struck me more as an attempt to explain the delays rather than an effort to criticize him. I see a much uglier tone regarding Loreleiís post than anything that Iíve ever seen here. The attitude of, ďIf you canít stand the heat, stay out of the kitchenĒ is both insulting and sexist.

Iíve been shocked by the response to Loreleiís post. It was something that should not have been sent. It certainly would have been better for everyone else to leave it alone. Unfortunately, whatís done is done and itís unlikely that sheíll ever feel welcome here again. Itís a shame because she brought a unique viewpoint here and helped energize a group that was starting to become a little stale.

Regarding the delays in getting the archives back up again, Iím sorry, but... Bad MadDog, Bad MadDog! Youíre just lucky I donít have a rolled up newspaper handy. No more ZFX for you till you restore them. I know Iím being harsh, but it has been a while.

Friday October 20th 2000 05:48:42
Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com
Comments:

Rick, I'm not gonna smack you at all. You are the only major US producer to put ANY attention to the beautiful art of breast bondage in the 90's, and that is why I'm an avid fan. Secondly, I also enjoy the forced penetration scenes and pussy play you purvey as well (I loved that scene in Miss Ballista 2 where Lisa is put on that confortable "seat") And I do appreciate that you are aware of us out here that share my perv. I know you can't make BB a focus of every film, but I at least have faith that you will devote a title to breast torment (I liked Kelly McKay in Underland 2 - maybe she might be willing to dabble a little more into BB), and I will continue to enjoy your other works until then.

On a political note, I tend to disagree with Rick on Gore (hold on... I'll explain). I KNOW Republicans have been the party of the religious right and intolerance in the past, but I really get the vibe that Gore and his political allies are even MORE paternalistic than the Reps. I have this theory that the far right and far left meet full circle at telling you what you can and cannot do, and I think Bush is less far right than Gore is far left. I have noticed that Clinton/Gore has put a lot of emphasis on getting internet access for all children. REALLY pushing for it. I'm just afraid that this push is to give them an excuse to ban or severely limit porn sites (for the children, of course). I really haven't noticed Bush pandering to the religious right like Dole did, so I don't think he will be endebted to them to push this kind of regulation through. Of COURSE libertarians are the way to go, and maybe the internet will help them gain support, but until them, I say stick as close to center as you can.

Just my 2 cents.

Friday October 20th 2000 09:16:48
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Rick:

The SOB5 sounds real promissing. The first 3 SIB- tapes are among my favorites, and I'm really looking forward to the 5th installment. Can hardly wait to see that new girl too.

Since you always release more that just 1 new title, could you please tell a little more 'bout the rest of the upcomming releases???

Howie:

The sentiment sure is appreciated, but I checked with my dokter, and he assured me that heavy debating on a discussion board won't be hazzardous to my health in any way...:-)

RR: Sorry...won't get into that whole delay-thing anymore. Seems you feel like wasting time to repeat all that has been said over and over and over again.....I don't. Here's a tip: Simply cut/paste older postings would safe you a lot of time and effort.

The "heat/kitchen" attitude is insulting and sexist???

Hmmmm...Insulting??? How???. Someone wanted to leave the board....And some of us said "No big deal". How's that insulting???

Sexist??? No WAY! Any male would get the same attitude. At least from me.....maybe you take a different approach to females than to males on this board. I think there's a word for that....

Rick (again): Good thing you mentioned Mr. Whittman. I've enjoyed (and till anjoy) his perfomances for a looooong time. Back in the old days, when I was discovering BD?SM tapes, I remember how glad I was when he showed up in a tape. Always a guarrantee for a very entertaining show.

Since you own the uncut Touris Trap 1 & 2 (You lucky devil, you.....) maybe you can answer a question that's been on my mind for almost two deccades now (please answer..so i can finally get some sleep....): The picture on the boxot TT 1 shows a very good scene. On the left, we see three soldiers. One female, two male. One of the mail is sitting behind his desk. In front of the desk, there's a girl suspended, legs pread. Another girl lies tied on the floor, a third girl is tied and gagged in a chair.

I've always regret that this scene isn't in the video. But is it in the uncut version????

Damien

Saturday October 21st 2000 01:24:47
Name: Mad Dog
E-mail address: xezactula2@probemail.com
Comments: O.k. This is my last posting on the whole subject of Lorelei. I promise! But I wanted to respond to a couple of things that RR said.

1) About Lorelei being overworked and having a lot going on in her life.--Howie semed to hit it pretty close to my feelings on what he said so I will keep this part short. I respect that fact that she has a busy life and has some problems that are probally weighing heavy on her mind. But please dont think that the only thing I do is sit home and neglect this board. I go to school full time. This quarter I have to learn new programs (Director7, Flash4, Fireworks, Authorware, Adobe Premier, 3d Studio Max, as well as improve my skills on Photoshop, and I dont have a good enough computer at home to work on so all of this has to be done at school) I also work 20 to 35 hours a week depending on the concerts at my Job. In between that I have a truck that is starting to deplete and needs work and a pile of bills that need to be paid off before I get out of school so I can afford to pay for the loans that will come due. So I have a lot going on as well.

2)As far as her being the type of female that I dont like is ridiculous. I was saying that I dint care for the personality type that tends to believe that there opinion is the only one and dosent even listen to yours, it dosent matter if they are Female or Male.

3)I, personally dont think that anybody was trying to kick her or insult her on the way out. Again that is my opinion. You mentioned that you would not do that, if anybody left the board in that way. Well as you can see that is the difference between us. Like I said, I wasnt trying to kick her when she was down, I just thought it was innapropriate and I voiced my opinion about it. Let me just say though that if I thought that anybody else on this board were jumping all over her and taking cheap shots then I would be the first to jump all over them and tell him that it's innapropriate.

4) As far as my response to Damien, and the whole delay thing, you seem to remember it wrong. Yes I explained the process to him but I also had acertain tone to it as well. O.K. Last thing I will ever say on that Issue as well.

5)As well as the whole "sexist thing" That is utterly ridiculous. The term "if you cant stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen" does not just apply to women and by no way is it insunating that women belong in the kitchen. Hows this one for you if you dont like the cold dont stand outside in Minnesota in the middle of winter.

6) As far as the whole tone of Lorelei's post having a tone. I did say that was me and only me. Go back and re-read my post and you will notice the Me is highlighted.

as far as the whole Archive thing goes, you are totally right but if you are going to punish me, make sure you turn the duties over to someone like Lisa Marie Scott (if you dont know who she is look her up)

O.K. enough on those subjects

Thanks to BBFan for the info on Tabitha Jordan. Although I barely recognized her as a blonde. I think she looked much better as a brunette, besides the picture that they have up is not the best one of her. She is still good loking, but please go back to brunette.

O.K. I am done now, hopefully we can all have our last say and move on back to Bondage discussions. Also for the last time the views and opinions are Mad Dog's and his alone. He does not speak for the whole board.

Peace All
Mad Dog
Saturday October 21st 2000 11:20:42
Name: Robert
Comments: I just wanted to recommend an excellent bondage film I just saw called SMX14. It is probably the hottest movie Iíve seen since Miss Ballista 2. It has a beautiful young girl about 18 named Tina who is tortured repeatedly to tears in the movie. Her face is gorgeous and her body is beautiful as well. I sure would love to see Rick get a hold of her for some of his movies!! Speaking of new girls, I canít wait to see Marly Rowe. She sounds like just my type. I sure loved Barbara Bayer (or was it Behr :-) The second girl in SMX14 is also very hot with a very slender, girlish body. Neither of the girls in the movie is shown on the box, and the girl shown on the box is not even in the tape. SMX12 was also very good, with a pretty, tall, slender young girl named Sunny who is treated very roughly, even having needles pushed into her pussy and under her tits. She is the girl shown on the cover.
Saturday October 21st 2000 02:15:08
Name: Alex
E-mail address: alexpowers@hotmail.com
Comments: A few things..... Damien, I agree with you about the cover of "Tourist Trap". I always felt that it was odd that the scene never appeared in the flick. (by the way. the girl tied in the chair is the great Rene Baker. Numeral Uno, of all time, in my book.) Another drastically cut scene from a classic video (Bittersweet Revenge) was the forced butt rape scene between Georgia Van Helsing and Mr. Whitman. I had an original the first year it came out. It got damaged. I ordered another lesss than a year later and it was cut.It was a real shame because Ms. Van Helsing put up a great act. I almost felt sorry for her....well, almost. Lorelei......I would really hate to see her go. I don't want to sound like a god damned bleeding heart but, Lorelie has a hell of a lot going in her life right now. ( vision problems, John's opperation etc.) She is a girl and has different emotions than us polokas. Maybe we should all just forget the past and invite her back.
Saturday October 21st 2000 05:11:11
Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Robert: What are these SMX films and where do you get them?

Alex, Renee Baker is definitely the bondage queen of the era, and had excellent facial expressions to go with that great body. I wonder what she's doing now. I also like Georgia van Helsing, Anne Bruno (those TITS!) and Sharon Montgomery, but Renee was the best! As for Lorelei, I'm sure most people on this forum would welcome her back if she wants to start posting again. She certainly has grabbed the focus of this forum the past couple of days.

Saturday October 21st 2000 08:51:23
Name: the Scribbler
Comments: Seems I'm a little off on my classic HOM history. I thought the name of the thin bearded guy in most of those great HOM loops was Mathew Cole, but now I'm being told it's Jeremy Whittman. OK, but then who's Mathew Cole (as related to HOM). I think I know that John Blakemore was behind the camera, Barbara Behr was credited as editor in most mags. Did Barbara do any modeling? Is Jeremy Whittman still alive? Would be cool to see him recruited for a ZFX video! Then again, he's probably in his 60s or 70s by now. Anyone have any additional or extensive knowledge on this classic team of producers. I know they eventually left HOM and started Calstar. I also know they did some stuff (with penetration and needles) for the europe only market. Also, the model in 'RED HOT BD' and a number of other loops, did she have a stage name? What about the model from 'CAUGHT, TIED & FETTERED', also appeared in a lot of loops? And whatever happened to Rene and Sharon?

Just curious.

Sunday October 22nd 2000 08:52:18
Name: zee-ef-ex
Comments:

Um, away from the "he said, she said" and back to the movies? Please? How boring all of that is.

Rick: I loved your blow-by-blow (smile) description of SOB- 5. For some reason, that kind of writing, speaking so matter-of-factly about outrageous things, strikes me as hilarious. I was so laughing while I read your description. And gagged with a bar of soap? Talk about humiliating, it's like being treated like you are 7 years old again.

Regarding how I came upon the court case, I'm Judge Martin, a closet ZFX-fan! He he he. Actually, all I feel like saying right now is that I read widely and came upon this. If you can elaborate on why you're curious, I will explain further.

Re A2M and gangbangs and the like, I think a cool scene (probably difficult logistically to pull off in a flick without actual insertion) would be two chicks bound, maybe one kneeling and one bent over a chair. The bent over one gets the anal pounding and the kneeling one gets it in the mouth, with constant alternating between the one girl's ass and the other girl's mouth. I guess I'm just a romantic kind of guy (smile). Rhetorical question. Please. let's move on. And Rick, please give us something to chat about. SOB-5, da sooner da better.

zee-ef-ex

Monday October 23rd 2000 12:11:20
Name: zee-ef-ex
Comments:

I'm not a grammatical spaz, really, I'm not. But you have heard about how sometimes things get lost in transmission on the net? A sentence or two from my last post got clipped - how weird. All I was saying was something about with such pervs on this board, how can we expect other than to scare away Lorelei? He he.

zee-ef-ex

Monday October 23rd 2000 12:15:27
Name: RR
Comments: Scribbler, you might want to go to http://bbs.onecenter.com/openmind/ for a couple answers to your HOM questions. Scroll down to a section on detective mags. Place some queries there and you might get answers to others. All the names you gave are the same person (Cole/Whitman/Blakemore).
Monday October 23rd 2000 05:32:48
Name: Damien
Comments: quotes:

Since I noticed that some of us in reviews or otherwise use some of their favorite quotes from ZFX-flicks, I thought it might be a good idea to invite everybody to post his or her all time favorites. Here are mine (straight from my memory...so forgive me when they're slightly off):

1 "Suck my dick" - Lisa Kinkaid in "The art of Darkness". Most of the tape is a waste of time to watch, but this one line seems to make it worth my while over and over again. Hilarious!

2 "So that's why they call you Regina Waters" - Bryan Dunhill in "The Reporter 1". Might very well be the only line he has in all of that tape without the word "fuck". My guess is that he, when not acting, watched reruns of Eddy Murphy's one-,an shows all day.....Always love to see him, miss him very much! (Rick??? You get the hint????)

3 "So this is hell?? Doesn't look to bad to me....." - Rick Masters in "Hellbound". Although I must say I like Rick as an actor the most when he has a silent role (he can be silent VERY threatening!!!, like in most parts of "Alien Probe"), this was one cool line!. Come on guys...let's here your favorites!

Damien (afraid to BORE zee-ef-ex away form this board...LOL)

Monday October 23rd 2000 02:06:53
Name: JMG
E-mail address: JeffGildone@msn.com
Comments: Can someone please tell me whatever happened to Chandra Sweet? Does anyone know where I can find some hardcore pics of her?
Monday October 23rd 2000 03:22:40
Name: Joe X
Comments: BBFan, Not only are the Republicans the party of the Religious Right, but George W Bush is the candidate of the religious right. The Christian Coalition endorsed Bush long before the primaries started. They were a major factor in his defeat of John McCain in the South Carolina primary. Bush owes them big time. If it weren't for them, he wouldn't be the Presidental nominee, John McCain would. Ironically, the reason Bush sounds more moderate than Dole did is because Dole needed to reassure the Religious Right which was skeptical about him, but Bush doesn't need to reassure them beacause they trust him. Bush has promised to appoint Supreme Court judges like Scalia and Thomas, the two most conservative judges on the court. If you want to vote for Bush for some other reason, then go ahead. But don't be fooled. A Bush administation will be a big disaster for Rick and ZFX. Rick knows what he is talking about on that one.
Monday October 23rd 2000 07:54:40
Name: Rick
E-mail address: zfx4u@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://www.zfx-shockwavevideo.com
Comments: Hello to All!

Quick follow up. Jeremy Whitman may BE Matt Cole, but I think he is another dude because I have a movie(title escapes me) where they both appear in the show. Its set in a mental hospital and has some hardcore content as well. Really nice show too. Anyway, at the end they do credits with stills of characters, and those names are given to 2 different guys. The thin bearded man is credited as Jeremy Whitman(or maybe Jason, not sure) and Matthew Cole was the other guy, mustache, no beard but actually looked like the other guy a bit. Any, hope that helps clear it up a bit. I know very little bout the actual history of the different companies involved with HOM, like Cal star, but some of Cal stars early stuff, like Triple Cross, were very good. I'm not sure what has become of the people involved, but they may be very old or even deceased. One things for sure, they made some great movies, and they will live on forever! It would be cool if someone could do a where are they now....One specific question about TouristTrap1-2 about the cover scene, I dont have the cover on mine, just the tape, so I cant say for sure, There is a scene like that in one of the movies, but I only recall 2 gals, one on the desk, one in the chair.

zeeefex: No need to clarify further, didnt mean to dig into your personal identity, just was curious. Appreciate the info;)

Chandra Sweet and Bryan Dunhill: Bryan and Chandra were great to work with and Ive said before, would love to shoot them again, but they aint calling and I have no way of contacting them. Bryan was MY favorite ZFX actor as well but I cant MAKE him work so.....

GW Bush: is a tool of the right wing, have no doubt. If you no longer wish to view adult material online, simply vote for Bush or an independent, and you wish will be granted. Gore/Lieberman dont exactly have a stellar record on the first amendment but this may be the lesser of 2 evils. Until the alternative parties get some fair money and exposure like the 2 parties now ruling the country, they just cant compete. I predict this will happen but not this time around. Any vote not for Gore, is a vote for Bush. Anyway, thats my 2 cents worth...

RR: Made some statements about saying and doing rash things in anger, and then trying to live with them instead of looking weak and reversing yourself. Very wise words indeed. Ultimatums are generally unwise.

So what is this SMX stuff? Sounds interesting. Any links to a site perchance?

Ok, thats it for now....

Rick:)

Tuesday October 24th 2000 12:59:22
Name: g-in-o
E-mail address: danh62@hotmail.com
Comments: First, thanks to RM who directed me to this site after I emailed a question to ZFX. In the years I have been a ZFX fan I have never had the oppertunity to talk to others on the subject. A board dedicated to it is a great find. Good to know a new tape is on the way and that Lisa Kinkaid and Kelly McKay are in it! My two favorite current ZFX actresses, with Lisa as my number one. Saw a post from last year where she actually logged onto this site. Does she do that often? And now, for comments, some obscure goodies from the pre-zfx age. Has anyone seen: "Walk the Line" looks from the mid eighties. A woman goes to jail for a traffic violation, is stripped by the police and made to walk balancing on a line while being strapped. Later, she is thrown in a cell with a butch lesbain, spanked and has coke poured over her head. Then she has to clean it. Not a bad tape, would love to watch it again. "The Greek File" with Ronnie Dixon who perhaps has better fame with the "Sharon" movies. There seemed to be two versions of the tape, one in wich she is licked while suspended and one where it does not appear. Would like to see either version now. Any Ronnie Dixon fans out there? And finally, my ZFX wishlist, comments welcome: 1) Lisa, naked and strapped spreadeagle in the hot sun. 2) A white slavery auction scene. Lots of extras as bidders for authenticity, the women brought naked to a pedistal and sold off, one by one. 3) An Underland sequel where Lisa and Kelly finally are together. The reunion of the sisters and the torture that followed. Perhaps a forced sexual session between the two..
Wednesday October 25th 2000 01:26:44
Name: Ralphus
E-mail address: ralphus44@aol.com
Homepage URL: http://members.tripod.com/zfxetc/reviews01.html
Comments: G-in-o: Welcome to the board. Nice to see new posters around here. I really liked your hot sun idea; it's been a fantasy scene of mine as well. I have some pics of girls spreadeagled to stakes in the ground, but never actually seen anyone attempt to film it in a movie. Even though there wouldn't be much action to show, I'll bet ZFX could pull it off with all-over camerawork and maybe some skin- reddening makeup. Slow tortures, in addition to the usual whipfests that ZFX does so well, would be a welcome addition, IMO.

In fact, one of my favorite non-ZFX bondage scenes was in a tape called "Street Thieves". In that one, a bound and gagged woman got tied up inside a sauna and locked inside, then the heat was then turned all the way up. You saw her squirm around in her ropes, then slowly the sweat built up on her and she was being overcome by the heat, but still helpless in her ropes. Believe me, it was a hot scene! No real action to speak of, just bondage and suspense, and they pulled it off beautifully. I could picture a similar scene with Lisa spread out in the sun as well; it would be a great slow torture.

BTW Rick, your description of things to come in "South of the Border 5" makes me want to see it even more. Hot sauce up the rectum! What a great idea! Your last entry in the series was your best one yet, and you keep topping yourself. "SOB 5" is now at the top of my Christmas wish list. I think I'll have to buy it for myself, though. Better not mention that one to the relatives... :o)

Wednesday October 25th 2000 08:07:01
Name: Per
E-mail address: kelderek@hotmail.com
Comments: G-in-o, yes I have seen "Walk the line", allthough it was years ago. It does not contain much BDSM action, but focuses more on bondage and some humiliation if I remember correctly. The film is poduced by Tao, who produced some very memorable stuff during the eighties. Some not-so-memorable as well, the quality of their work varies a lot. Good Tao titles include Bondage Incest, Bondage Sweetheart and Trained Dog (or something similar, not very exciting title, but it containes a very intense suspended whipping sequence. That scene is on the box cover and shows up frequently in the newsgroups)
Wednesday October 25th 2000 12:27:47
Name: BBFan
E-mail address: memfan@yahoo.com
Comments:

Per:

Could you please go into a little more detail with those Tao vids you recommend? I agree with you that their quality is all over the map, so info on quality efforts would be very helpful.

Wednesday October 25th 2000 01:18:44
Name: Damien
E-mail address: kinkaidfan@yahoo.com
Comments: Rick:

Blackmail: If in my postings I gave te impression of wanting to blackmail you, I truely apologize. Though I did not change my mind at all on the subject discussed at that time, I never had that intention. However, somehow you got that impression, and I feel responsible for that. Any suggestion of blackmail would have been wrong, uncalled for, useless, VERY undeserved but also unintentional.

TAO: Oh, yes....I remeber TAO. In fact, I'm blessed with owning the 'Trained Dog" (Which is actually titled "Bound and Abused"....the title is VERY accurate..). I also remeber "Walk the Line", and plan to order it sometime in the near future. Not a lot of bondage (though a few very good scenes), and an excellent developing storyline. Worth to be seen at least once by all members of this board. And I reember some other good ones too: "The X-Wife", "Bich Busters" and of course "The Junk Yard" (This one is on the Collectors series 1).

I'm looking forward to hear reviews on more of TAO's stuff, because there's a lot more out there taht i haven't seen, and I hate to order a tape just on a "hunch". The more details, the better.

Hey! Am I the only one who has favorite quotes, or am I just the only one who thought it might be an interesting topic or am I the only one who watches ZFX tapes just because of the dialogues...

Damien

Wednesday October 25th 2000 03:15:16
Name: g-in-o
E-mail address: danh62@hotmail.com
Comments: Ok, here is a recent quote for you. "They said you had sweet juicy little breasts. But they arn't so little are they?" Rick to Kelly McKay in "South of the Border 4". Now its not the line so much as what is going on while its delivered which makes it a classic (if you recall, Rick then quality checks Kelly's truelly impressive breasts, pinching their tips like he was sampling produce.) The whole sequence is a favorite of mine. At about that time, the camera switches to hand held, and it is just like you are there. Another moment pans down to her feet- no socks- on the cement floor. Her soft nakedness verses the harsh enviornment of the jail is perfectly captured at that instant. But wait there is more. There is a lovely moment a little later on after Kelly is untied and turned around, on the way to having to lick Rick's shoe. The moment I speak of has Rick giving her commands which it seems she is unable to follow. There is this gesture she does with her hands, flailing them in frustrated helplessness- its actually...poingnant. You almost want to comfort her. Almost. At the end of the film there is a teaser for SOB-5 which has her tear stained face looking at the camera, at some approaching horror. I truelly hope that scene makes the cut! Some more vintage stuff. My first bondage video was HOM's "Special Request" staring Kim Bittner/Pia Sands/Michelle Bauer of later B-movie fame. Over the years I have looked for others of her tapes, found some, but they never approached "Special Request" in my affections. Except perhaps "Pony Girl at the Ranch" (Cal-star). The version I saw is the post Tracy Lords controversy cut job which reduces her screen time to just a few scenes. Michelle Bauer on a teather, being put through her paces in the corral sticks to ones memory. Question: has anyone seen the pre-Tracy Lords controversy version? I have no interest in Tracy Lords, just the possible scenes of Michelle's that might have been cut. One possible example; there is a scene where she is brought into a stable after a workout. She is in a white mini-skirt- not ponygirl regalia. A cowboy notices this and starts to undress her while she is teathered. The scene stupidly cuts off right about the moment he is lifting her shirt from her breasts. Enquiring minds want to know- is there a version which shows the stripping to completion?
Wednesday October 25th 2000 04:55:04
Name: Robert
Comments: Rick, you can purchase the SMX videos at www.onazee.com for $29.95 each. They are also available for rental at many adult bookstores. To see the covers of the boxes, go to the website and click shop - you don't need to join the website. My favorite video in the series so far, as I said before, is SMX14. Unfortunately, Tina, the beautiful girl starring in the video is not shown on the box for SMX14 or on any of the boxes. My other favorite videos in the series include 2 (Angel), 3 (Roxy), 5 (Mariah), 6 (Sandy), 8 (Alyssa), and 12 (Sunny). Unlike SMX14, the girl featured in each of my other favorite SMX videos is shown on the corresponding box. The simple plot of each of the videos is that the girls have been sent to Master Byron to be punished because they upset the customers at the brothel. He punishes them all in similar ways with numerous clothespins, clamps attached to weights, whipping, spanking, hot wax, suspension, and sticking needles into the girls' breasts, pussy, and ass. The punishments can get pretty intense. Bondage pictures of the girls in the SMX videos as well as many other attractive young girls can be found at the site www.sadoslaves.com. Unfortunately, the last time I was a member of this site several months ago, members of the site were not allowed to save the images. The front page of this website displays a picture of Tina, shown in a cage on the left side with a rope gag through her mouth. Isn't she a doll!!!
Wednesday October 25th 2000 08:43:27
Name: Joe Smith (Fake name, duh)
E-mail address: xxx@xxx.xxx
Homepage URL: http://www.www.www
Comments: Hey guys,

Been reading a while but nervous to post after some of the back and forths, but since that seems to have cooled down, here I am. Let me first say that I fucking LOVE ZFX movies. They're the only bondage tapes I can watch. I've been ruined for all the rest. But there are some things I'd love to see added to the formula, if I may be so bold to suggest:

1) Some non-gagged scenes - I know lots of people love gags, but can't we have a few scenes where we get to hear the girls protest and scream? Especially for the penetration scenes, I'd love to hear them cry about how much it hurts!

2) Less standard whipping - Aren't there some new tortures we can think of for the girls? It's always whipping, clipping things on genitals, wax sometimes. I saw a movie once called "The Setup" where a guy spreadeagled a woman outside, poured honey on her and watched the ants crawl all over her. Anyone else remember that? I'd love to know who made it. The copy I saw never had any credits.

Short of insect torture, how about more focus on the privates? Maybe have some scientists conduct experiments to see how much a woman can take in each hole? I saw a James Bond porno spoof once where the villain threatened to poke the female spy's cunt with the world's longest dildo, a la Sean Connery on the laser table in Goldfinger. How about stuff like that. I haven't seen the Ballista films, and they sound like something I'd like.

3) Soap opera set-ups - What if a jilted lover arranged to have his ex kidnapped, rendered helpless to let her mortal enemy have his way with her? This would work great as an un-gagged scene because she could scream about how much she hates the guy.

Mostly, more penetration. I fucking LOVED 666:2 when the brunette was tied legs behind her back, ass in the air. But why didn't anyone stick it in her? She was so prone and open!

Also, LOVE the sweat. Seeing the girls sweat shows that they're really going through something. Girls in those other tapes never look like they've gone through anything.

Thanks, Rick. Anything you could do about the prices? Maybe a special rate to put four movies on a tape on EP speed? I know it will be a quality loss, but I just can't afford it and the local podunk video store never gets anything new.

Thursday October 26th 2000 12:52:40
Name: Joe Smith
Comments: One more thing. Putting the girls in new outfits after they've been stripped - why? And also, don't wrap so many ropes around them. It covers up the body. When the woman is spread-eagle, I want to see all of her. A rope across the stomach changes the look. Especially ropes around the breasts. I like to see tits as part of the whole body. You can always shoot a set-up two ways, can't you? I sound like the asshole now, but I know other people must agree with some of these ideas.
Thursday October 26th 2000 12:56:23
Name: RR
Comments: Re: Rick's message above.

I'm surprised that you noticed that I was casting a wide net with the paragraph on being careful about saying things in anger. It was intentionally broad.

Based on some old posts I'd seen in alt.sex.bondage, there were a series of torture loops made by Matthew Cole that featured Blakemore. I haven't seen any of those in the original 8mm format, so I don't know how they were credited (normally, bondage loops carried no credits other than the company name releasing them. The context of the posts were that they were the same person. This wouldn't be the first time that a pseudonym was used in more than one way. I suspect that those old loops are the ones that were featured in SM Bizar mags (recently posted by Chad in alt.sex.binaries.bondage) and also released on a few German videos I've seen (using the same music as the HOM loops which means they were made here--apparently Bill Majors gave them the music according to one of his old posts).

As far as a "where are they now," it would be nigh impossible because Blakemore worked in the south (accounting for the barns used in a lot of his photosets and the heavy southern accents of his performers in his videos). That's why the models disappeared when he stopped producing work. I wrote a bio of Blakemore for Lorelei that will someday be featured in a bondage history webpage, but I have no idea when that's ever going to happen. The only real inside info I got was from Bill Majors when I sent him a copy to check for accuracy. I don't know if you're still on talking terms with him. It would be hard to write a bondage history because there's so little information out there. The only way to do it would be for somebody with a lot more energy than I have to pound the streets and search for the original people that were around at that time.

Thursday October 26th 2000 05:21:38
Name: Per
E-mail address: kelderek@hotmail.com
Comments: BBFan, it was some time ago I watched these Tao videos, but I'll try to outline the action in them:

"Bound and abused" (yep, that was the title!) I actually have in my collection, but I'm out travelling right now, so I have to rely on my memory here! Anyway, the basic story is about a young girl responding to an ad for assistance in "dog training". Little does she know that she is the one to be trained! She goes to the house of the couple who advertised and is immediately overpowered and placed in bondage. She is suspended naked by her wrists and severly whipped and clothespins are attached all over her body. She is also tied spred-eagled to an X-cross on the floor and waxed and otherwise abused. There is also some pretty intense humiliation when she is forced to act like a dog and some quite rough manhandling. The girls reactions are very good, she screams, cries and tries to fight back. The whip marks are clearly visible all over her body.

"Bondage Incest" is about a young girl that is punished by her uncle and aunt (I think). Lots of whipping, spanking and humiliation. The girl has a very slim figure, very young looking. I remember her suspended by her wrists for quite some time during the video, quite an effort. I also remeber the dialogue being pretty stupid, but who cares when the action is good!

In "Bondage Sweetheart" a guy punishes his wife/girlfriend in their house. There is a very nice scene in the cellar with some pretty intense suspension and whipping. Other scenes are in various rooms in the house. Pretty realistic whipping with clearly visible marks and quite attractive girl. The video ends with an electrocution scene.
Thursday October 26th 2000 11:46:10
Name: the Scribbler
Comments: What newserver carries alt.sex.binaries.bondage?
Thursday October 26th 2000 02:21:32
Name: RR
Comments: alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage

I never said my memory was perfect. It's still one of the best places for pix in spite of efforts by spammers to drown out the content with their ads.

Thursday October 26th 2000 02:57:25
Name: AvF
E-mail address: HollywoodVampire@
Comments: Favorite ZFX line: "If I'm not me, who the hell am I?"........no wait....that's Schwarzenegger. Sorry, I guess I'll have to pay more attention to the dialog.

Joe Smith....Yeagh, right....sounds like a real name to me. Who 'ya foolin' :) Welcome bud.

Reading Ricks descriptions on SOB5 I was glad to hear he includes some forced oral in a couple of scenes. I think a splattering facial would have been good in the scene of the strangulation of Lisa's character. Kind of a finale humiliation as her face glistens during the strangulation. Or even right after, jerking off on her face as she lay there to put the finishing touches on her indignation. Just this demented souls veiwpoint.

Friday October 27th 2000 05:58:07
Name: Sardu
E-mail address: sardu@mace-mail.com
Comments:

Re: SMX vids

FYI: Robert pointed out that the SMX vids sold by Ona Zee on her site are available to members of www.sadoslaves.com. The versions on that site as well as those on Eroticpunishment (www.4bdsm.com) seem to have a bit more intense content to them--anal penetration of various sorts (buttplugs, enemas,assorted fingering), for example. You can save the JPEGs on Sadoslaves.com--all you need to do is drag the JPEG off the browser window and onto your desktop--works on the Macintosh, at least. Kinda weird how there are at least 3 versions of these vids around.

Observant smuthounds will note that the fat English dominant guy in the SMX/Sadoslaves stuff (AKA Lord Byron, AKA "Mike") plays the affable gyno in alot of the Voyeurvision/Holio internet vids. Tough job feeling up all those nublie 19-25 year olds, but I gues someone's got to do it.

I'm fairly sure all that stuff is produced out in Vancouver. All the best strip clubs are out there so talent must be readily available.

Sunday October 29th 2000 05:43:27
Name: g-in-o
Comments: Not video related per se, but I noticed mention of some bondage art websites in earlier posts. I whole heartedly recommend "Tortured Celebrities" by Crinkley One (www.smutserver.com/bondage/crinkley). No gimmicks- the site is totally free and I really like his work. As I also really like ZFX, I think readers of this board will like it too. Even if you are not in to the "celebrity" aspects, the pictures are great works of bondage & torture. Make sure you check it all out- including the archives. I stumbled on the site this summer and hit it weekly- new art every Sunday and its interactive- e-mail him ideas and they just might show up on the next update. Enjoy!
Monday October 30th 2000 06:22:12
Name: Sardu
E-mail address: sardu@mac-email.com
Comments:

re: tortured celebrities

A little Photoshop is a dangerous thing.

The guy gets points for enthusiasm, but he can't draw a likeness to save his life. I reckon in the future we'll be able to clone celebs through biological or digital means in order to realize these dartk dreams even better.

Monday October 30th 2000 07:39:44
Name: BC
E-mail address: cordeiro@optushome.com.au
Comments: Does anyone know of videos where the girl starts off dressed nicely, in button up blouse or school uniform or office style clothes with the blouse, then gets her blouse torn or cut off during the video? This could be while she is bound up, etc. I have heard there are some ZFX ones that have this, so would be interested inhearing which ZFX or any other type has this. Strictly has to have a button up blouse, like in a school uniform or silk blouse, etc. Thanks in advance!
Monday October 30th 2000 11:26:33


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